Bozell Column: The Diseases of Pornography
Derrick Burts, 24, started working as a porn-film actor in June. By October, he'd contracted the HIV virus. The AP story on Burts contained this jaw-dropping sentence: “He said he began to have doubts about the business after contracting chlamydia, gonorrhea, and herpes in his first month of work, but was convinced to keep working.”
Burts claimed "I wasn't stupid or oblivious, I knew what was out there. But it's not something you think about when they fill your head" with lucrative offers and promises that the work is safe. Lured into the porn world with the promise that he looked like money, Burts concluded his greed was unwise: "Making $10,000 or $15,000 for porn isn't worth your life."
Michael Weinstein, head of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, took up the Burts case. While he insisted his group isn't anti-porn, “we are astounded that the multi-billion-dollar film industry and its fig leaf of a clinic could not even get it together six weeks after his first HIV-positive test to link [Burts] to appropriate follow-up medical care."
Lawyers for the porn industry's clinic, the Adult Industry Medical Health Foundation, which performed the HIV test on Burts, insisted any claim he was not properly treated is “not truthful and self-serving.” But the California Department of Public Health just denied its application to operate. Once again, the porn industry looks shady.
Burts says the clinic told him he contracted the HIV virus at a gay porn shoot in Florida, but the clinic told the press that he must have become infected in his personal life. Translation: Who are you going to trust, a porn star? Or the porn industry? This evolving story comes six years after up to 14 porn actors tested HIV-positive, forcing several porn companies to close.
Porn moguls obviously want the "talent" to feel safe, but they don't want to film scenes with condoms – for monetary reasons. The pornographers at Vivid Entertainment said when they became a mandatory-condom company for nearly seven years, they saw their sales drop nearly 20 percent.
Pornography isn't just unhealthy for our culture; it's unhealthy for the “talent” that stars in these films, with the endless carousel of sex partners. It should be only a matter of time before the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (or their California equivalent) starts investigating – unless, of course, government officials are too afraid of appearing like squelchers of a Howard Stern version of “freedom of speech.”
It's ironic that our news media are such evangelists for "safe sex" with condoms, and very critical of anyone who's anti-condom as a menace to society, but they haven't forced that Latex gospel on the porn industry, despite the obvious threat of fatal sexually-transmitted diseases between strangers on the set.
Then there's the gay-porn industry – which as a rule requires condoms in films, but doesn't even HIV-test their stars. Without much irony, Jay Barmann of the San Francisco blog SFist reported “The HIV status of gay porn performers is a particular taboo subject, with a kind of don't-ask-don't-tell attitude proliferating in the industry, which mostly tries to keep performers safe by requiring condom use and which fears bad publicity from performers revealing their statuses.”
In response to this environment, the porn company Treasure Island Media recently took the shocking step of promoting a gay couple with one HIV-negative and one HIV-positive partner having “unprotected” sex as "role models." Paul Morris, the company’s owner, spoke of demolishing "the HIV-positive closet" and pledged "We will not allow reactionary individuals and organizations to dictate our behavior.” HIV and AIDS are “more or less manageable,” he said. “The real battle is against prejudice, ignorance and unfounded and useless fear.”
Barmann, no anti-porn “prude,” was shocked for the public health and for the rights of actors. “Say what he will about battling prejudice and fear, Morris stands to benefit financially from the unprotected sex his performers agree to have, and he is nonetheless an employer who knowingly puts his workers in harm's way.”
Our media just found it wildly controversial that the Pope might hypothetically suggest a male prostitute using a condom may be trying to show a health concern for others. But somehow, there is no controversy or debate when secular sexual progressives fail to crusade against pornographers on something so contrary to their own condom-promoting “safe sex” philosophy. The old AIDS slogan was “Silence equals death.” Who will speak out before the next greedy Derrick Burts gets infected?
Just how stupid are the Derricks of this world to get involved in death-trap industries like this?
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I think there have been 2 outbreaks
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:09am.
in a decade. Its very sad, but the people that do get HIV in this business is a very small fraction
Shawn, But I am sure that
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:09pm.
Shawn,
But I am sure that you are aware that HIV is not the only STDs. STDs are rampant in the porn industry. Are you going to tell me that the porn industry is clearner than the city of New York where 1 in 5 New Yorkers has an STD? c'mon Shawn, wishful thinking on your part.
Morally and physically, pornography is a sociatel disease which destroys your soul and body.
Why do you think there are countless of women AND men who come out of that industry and start focus groups, Christian groups, etc which attempt to stop others from joining this industry?
This industry plays on the most animalistic instincts of human beings. It makes us animals.
I can never undestand why and how anyone can defend such an evil, depraved industry which abuses children, women and men.
Did he not have (?unsafe?) sex outside of "work"?
Submitted by Texndoc on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:48am.
"Derrick Burts, 24, started working as a porn-film actor in June. By October, he'd contracted the HIV virus."
One could argue "Burts moved to California in June. By October he had HIV. Stay safe. Don't move there." I read this story on another site and he was a for-hire callboy off camera and they showed proof with his ad "for hire".
"Burts says the clinic told him he contracted the HIV virus at a gay porn shoot in Florida"
I've had to tell people they test positive for HIV since 1985, and this is a lie. The LA Times article said every straight scene he performed in was un-safe (no condom) and he alone knows what he did in private. And this "gay porn shoot" was strictly condom. And you expect me to believe a "clinic" would say "Ah-hah!" ?????
These two statements are at
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 1:25pm.
These two statements are at odds with each other: “He said he began to have doubts about the business after contracting chlamydia, gonorrhea, and herpes in his first month of work, but was convinced to keep working.” and "I wasn't stupid or oblivious, I knew what was out there. But it's not something you think about when they fill your head"
The filling of the empty
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 1:53pm.
The filling of the empty space in his head was the least of this guy's problems. It's what they were shoving in his other empty spaces and what they filled those spaces with that's killing him.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Vile ≠ intelligent
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 2:07pm.
Vile ≠ intelligent
'Free Love' isn't free...
Submitted by Slyrr on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 2:37pm.
To: the porn industry:
It's producers, directors, actors, performers and even its patrons:
Are you finding (whatever public statements you may make to the contrary) producing, using or otherwise supporting pornography just isn't leading to the happy life of freedom and peace that you imagined it would be? Are you struggling with addiction to sleaze? Shackled into an addictive dependency on this stuff, as strong as for any chemical stimulant or drug? Are you contracting various diseases, because the porn industry tricked you into thinking you could engage in this kind of behavior without any consequence to yourselves or your families?
I've got a way to fix this. I can tell you how to fix it all and return to a life of actual happiness, rather than the false pleasures the porn industry used to hook you. There is a way. A way to free yourself, a way to escape.
But you're not gonna like it. I'm tellin' you right now, you're NOT gonna like it.
You have to abstain. No more excuses, no more rationalizing. You have to give it up - totally, completely and permanently. You'll have to give up looking at porn of any kind. This includes text, images, movies, songs, music, websites. You must not view them. You must not buy them. You must leave them completely and forever untouched.
And you have to live a chaste life. That doesn't mean that you have to give up sex. No, not nearly that drastic. But it does mean that from now on and for the rest of your life, you must have no sexual intercourse with anyone except your husband or wife to whom you are legally married.
This means no fooling around before marriage. No orgies, no raves, no 'swing' gatherings, or premarital sex of any kind. And after marriage, you must remain absolutely faithful to your spouse. This means no cheating, no adultery, no 'extramarital relationships' of any kind, either in reality or in cyber-space.
You must forever abandon anything that triggers sexual arousal in you beyond what you and your spouse may share with each other in the privacy of your homes. Anything else must be abandoned.
It will not be easy. You'll be mocked. You'll be sneered at. You'll be called a 'prude' or a 'god-boy' or a 'eunuch' or any one of things from a very long and cruel list. Everyone who knows you're abstaining will suddenly launch into all kinds of schemes to try and drag you back into the porn lifestyle. And it will be relentless. They will not 'respect your choice', they will feel threatened by it and do everything they can to make you ashamed or embarrassed. But you must endure it. You must continue to abstain, no matter how much you are attacked, no matter how much it seems to hurt, no matter how difficult it seems to be.
At first it will seem unimaginably hard. It may even seem impossible. But it will get better. It will get easier. And if you can endure it, you'll find yourself enjoying life in ways you thought you'd forgotten about long ago.
If everyone does this it will improve your lives and bring you true peace and happiness. It will have the added benefit of putting the porn industry out of business forever. Because without money, they won't exist.
I'm sure the above steps sound like the pipe-dreams of a dewy eyed idealist to many. 'People just can't help themselves!' some might say. 'We have needs!' 'That's not realistic!'
See? I told you that you wouldn't like it.
But that's what you have to do. Otherwise, things will only get worse for you. And it will keep getting worse, and worse until it finally reaches a point where it simply can't get any worse.
Then what?
What about people
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 2:47pm.
That enjoy it and are happy. Why try to bring down an industry tha provides jobs and puts food on the table for tens of thousands. Not just actors, but distributors, manufacturers and websites.Told you ya wouldn't like it!
Submitted by Slyrr on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:08pm.
Told you ya wouldn't like it!
I didn't say I did not like it
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:37pm.
I mentioned some people actually enjoy it and have a very stable family life. It's just a screwdriver, it is a very handy tool if you responsible, but if misused it can be very dangerous and can hurt people physically.Shawn, The only folks
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:17pm.
Shawn,
The only folks "making money" in the porn industry are the cable/satelite providers (and they already have other sources of revenue, i.e. - "regular" movies and shows). The "actors" and producers in the "adult entertainment" industry make next to nothing.
--FS
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I disagree free
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:34pm.
Adult actresses make about 500 bucks per scene for a basic boy girl and if the scene requires some rearview action it goes up to 1000. The more popular actresses go on the road dancing and they make 3000 per week The industy is worth around 10 billion dollars. That money helps our economy and is capitalism at it's very finest.(loud sigh) I haven't been
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:37pm.
(loud sigh)
I haven't been able to find a link to the Forbes(?) story that discussed this, but they discuss how it's not a money maker for anyone except the Cable/Satelite folks.
P.S. - how do you seemingly know what the "pay scale" is? :-p
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I know because
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:39pm.
NB is not the only message board I visit ;-)You should only be visiting
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:46pm.
You should only be visiting NB, foxnews.com, newsmax.com, and TeamSarah.org. :-p
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
The female members on that blog
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 3:59pm.
Are very interesting people. Just like the friends I made online on NB I have made friends online friends with actresses and people that don't pay taxes in their profession. I definately know how social conservatives feel about his topic, but it's nice getting both sides opinion. Not everyone had family issues or drug issues and some are well educated. They do it because it is good money and some enjoy it. Editshawn supports free enterprise*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:04pm.
Porn is ok because porn stars make money and support their families. Well shawn, drug smugglers, drug dealers, sex slave traders, border human smugglers, child/porn distributors all make money too.These enterprises have your approval because your "measure of acceptability" is "they make money"?
Silly comparisions Canjun
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:14pm.
Sex slave traders, border human smugglers, child/porn distributors all force people to do things against their will.
Tsk Tsk, that argument was worthy of Rhandi Rhodes.
~Shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:23pm.
You're talking to someone who spent 30 years dealing with the devastating effects of the sex trade. Please don't talk down to her.
Oh for the love of Obama
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:26pm.
I'm sorry, those are silly comparisions. What is with you today? First you acuse me of being vulgar, I take it back. Now I can't use sarcasm? Yowza.
~Shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:38pm.
Cajun takes this subject much more seriously than you do, and her experiences with it have all been intensely negative. You talk a lot about 'POV', please don't denigrate hers.
Look Bru
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:43pm.
Cajun mostly ignores me and does not respond to my posts. I feel since some people are pouncing, I strongly get the feeling she smells blood in the water and is hoping for a pile on.
I am sorry, I do not know Cajuns history, but the majority of the things she is making comparisians to is silly. They involve forcing somebody to do something. I am against anybody forcing anybody into porn and if they are, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm not going to not call a spade a spade, just because she is a friend of yours bru.
~Her history
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:22pm.
is written on her account page, "retired social worker". She's our resident expert on the destructive effects of this sort of thing, as Blonde commented on the incest thread yesterday.
If you have the effrontery to act like a wise@ss to a woman old enough to be your mother, who worked in this field almost as long as you've been alive, that spade you speak of is going to find a new home.
I tried to say it nice, twice.
Hmmm
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:32pm.
She has her opinion and I have mine. Jer is a lawyer and people don't let him have the last word because debating is his expertise.
"If you have the effrontery to act like a wise@ss to a woman old enough to be your mother, who worked in this field almost as long as you've been alive, that spade you speak of is going to find a new home."Let me get this straight. I was telling free that I like the get the other point of view from the actresses themselves. " I think they would know a little bit about this topic too btw" Cajun, a person I have not talked to in months, then comes and gives some hyberbole comparisions, I call her out on it. She will leave NB, because I gave her some slight sarcasm? Sorry Bru if that is the case, then, that is even more thin skinned than a liberal. Perhaps you can give Cajun a chance to speak for herself.
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Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:51pm.
The phrase "that spade you speak of is going to find a new home" most likely means that you are going to have to consult a proctologist if you want to use it again.
Now you tell me 26CX
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:57pm.
Yeeesh, I could have avoided this by ordering a bran muffin instead of the Berry Coffee Cake at Starbucks this morning.
Thanks alot 26CX.
Actually, you could have
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:15pm.
Actually, you could have avoided this by showing a little respect to someone who has more real-world experience with the topic than you do. No need to agree with her, but you can avoid using words like "silly" to describe her statements.
Capish?
But that's just my opinion...
yeah well
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:20pm.
I guess i should have just accepted what she had said as fact and not questioned it at all. How silly of me.
Your reading comprehension is
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:24pm.
Your reading comprehension is a little low tonight, Shawn. I said you didn't have to agree with her, just show her some respect. How do you equate that with not questioning what she said? Can you ask questions of someone and be respectful at the same time?
I did not agree with the comparisions
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:29pm.
and was slightly sarcastic. Her tone was not exactly respectful either. Yeesh. I am always respectful and polite to anyone that shows me the same courtesy, to you disagree?
Sorry, Shawn. I haven't read
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:47pm.
Sorry, Shawn. I haven't read enough of your posts to be able to agree or disagree that you are always respectful and polite to anyone that shows you the same courtesy.
Her statement was silly
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:09pm.
"No need to agree with her, but you can avoid using words like "silly" to describe her statements."
Your appeals to authority notwithstanding.
Hey, Shawn!
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:15pm.
ckc1227 is over here sticking up for you. Can you please give him a pat on the back and tell him he's doing an excellent job?
Maybe she shouldn't make
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:59pm.
Maybe she shouldn't make silly arguments then.
~Prostitution lover
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:10pm.
I've been nice to shawn, because I like shawn. You're a different story.
If you would like to debate this topic politely, cajun will take you apart on it. If you're going to be a jerk, I'll take you apart on it.
canjun?
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:27pm.
Shawn, like the porn stars who enter porn voluntarily, this does relate to the other examples I showed. The border smugglers are paid by people voluntarily who want to come across the border. This makes them trusting and vurnerable. The slave traders again seduce young women into buying an idea of safe haven and jobs but then abuse them. Porn stars voluntarily enter the profession and find there are consequences such as STD's. There are consequences for all of our decisions and actions. So often self absorbed individuals cannot see beyond immediate gratification like a big paycheck.
I am not attacking you just your naive and slanted view of this issue you have defended for some time. On this issue, we will never agree.
Hi canjun
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:50pm.
Sorry this is a total apples and oranges comparision. The border smugglers are bringing in people that are volunarility doing something ILLEGAL. After these women are smuggled in, they are beaten and have their passports taken from them and their lives threatened.
Porn Stars know the risk that associated with the legal profession they are entering and the risks and some enjoy doing what they do. Huge difference.
I agree we will never agree on this topic. Thank you for your response.
PS,
Sorry for never spelling your name right.
example shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:09pm.
Your last post is an example of why I seldom reply to you. Your post is the issue I was referring to in my earlier post. You want strawman arguments for vs, legality, illegality, morality, immorality, voluntary, coerced. . As Bru tried to so politely remind you, I dealt with the victims and the consequences of those activities that you describe as choices, rights, blah blah blah. I have an entirely different perspective on this issue from you. I see it from the devasting effects to those individuals involved, be they voluntary or coerced.
On a more personal note, one of my high school friends was a gay porn star in Hollywood. I do not recall his screen name and I never saw any of his work but I did see the sadness, shame, and devastating affects to him he himself attributed to his "profession". He died of Aids at the age of 44.
Consequences Shawn.
"Consequences Shawn."
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:19pm.
"Consequences Shawn"
Totally agree Canjun.
Smuggling somebody across the border and beating them and threatening their life = forcing somebody to do something.
Hiring a person for a porn movie and they get a STD = consequence.
Apples and oranges.
I am sorry to hear about your friend and it is very sad, but not everybody ends up like him in the adult business.
If you do not like responding to me because I have a different viewpoint than you, that is your decision.
apples and oranges*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:48pm.
Absolutely correct. I care about people and consequences, (apples.) That is why I seldom reply to your adolescent posts(oranges), nwahs.
I see
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:21pm.
I don't disagree with your comparision and your calling me adolescent. Too bad all those years of experience have not taught you humility :-( Must be tough to see things in black and white all the timeThe "canjun" thing is
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:48pm.
The "canjun" thing is reaching a disrespectful level. You've been corrected and acknowledged it, so the continued misspelling must have some purpose. Please shawn, back it down.
Well Bk, you know you have
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:01pm.
Well Bk, you know you have struck a nerve when the poster mispells the name of the person they are responding to. You know when you have destroyed them when they start calling you STD's.
Scoob! Been a while. How ya
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:07pm.
Scoob! Been a while. How ya been buddy?
Doing good BK, yourself?
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:14pm.
Doing good BK, yourself? Come over to the room, got a couple of nice ladies over here. :-)
Bk
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:13pm.
I always make spelling mistakes. I promise it is not intentionalYou're spelling always sux...
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:52pm.
But that is part of who you are and we love it about you buddy. Misspellon buddy...
Lol Gary
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:58pm.
I can't even use a regular keyboard. Smartphone are even worse. I'm surprised people are accusing me of mispelling intentionallyI gotta a Droid
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:05pm.
and I don't even attemp to type on it, my fingers are too big. But yeah, yer spellin' sux buddy. But that makes you special, and I love it about you. To quote ADK, or whatever his name is lately... PUPIU;ludoue, doufwe apouepoeur. Merry Christmas Shawn, we love ya buddy!
Shawn- it just shows a lack
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:36pm.
Shawn- it just shows a lack of respect if you can't make the effort to at least spell cajun's name correctly. If you can't do that, then you should apologize directly to cajun and make sure she understand's that while you disagree on the topic, you're not intentionally refering to her as "canjun".
Just my opinion.
BK
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:25am.
I was at a restaurant and on the road. I have already told Cajun I was sorry once. You know as well as I do I always make fun of myself about being a terrible speller.
If you want to make a federal case out of it, there is nothing I can do.
Not a federal case, shawn
Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 2:59pm.
and I missed the apology. Go on you for it. Don't be so touchy, I'm not beatin' you up about it. I just thought cajun deserved the proper respect.
But the bigger question is: Why are you commenting on NB while at a restaurant? You're addicted, dude! LOL
Lol BK
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:20pm.
My wife was also on her iPhone and the kid was reading a book on her Itouch. Who needs conversation when you have electronics? ;-)~That is so sad...
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:29pm.
What ever happened to reading an actual book at the dinner table?! Younguns these days....
Bru, I beg to differ about
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:37pm.
Bru, I beg to differ about reading a "real book". I have a kindle and I love it, I can make the font bigger for my ageing eyes, and it's light (I read thick books often) which is good for my RA afflicted joints!
What is sad is the acceptance of electronics at the dinner table. We always ate dinners together, and now that my children are older, it's one of the things they really like. The chance for us all to be together with no agenda other than just being with one another.
Aah, family, the best gift God gave us.
~Dinner table
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:07pm.
I was being facetious so shawn wouldn't feel like I was dogging him out on yet another topic.
Bru, does shawn mind getting
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:16pm.
Bru, does shawn mind getting his Christmas present early? ;)
~Well..
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:24pm.
Since Proposition 19 didn't pass, the red velvet smoking jacket I was going to give him lost all significance.
~....
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 9:56pm.
If you do not like responding to me because I have a different viewpoint than you, that is your decision. False. She doesn't like responding to you because of your tendency to act like a snarky little biotch. Now quit addressing her incorrectly.Snarkly little biotch?
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:15pm.
NiceShawn, Again, the porn
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:30pm.
Shawn,
Again, the porn industry which you defend so much is heavily involved in all types of illegal things. Child pornography, drug trading, drug consumption, sex slave trade! Why you put your head in the sand and refuse to see the facts is beyond me.
Additionally, just because something is Legal it doesn't make it moral, Right, Truth. Legal doesn't not equate to moral, can you at least agree to this point? Be ready to debate some very heavy stuff if you disagree. Legal should be moral, but in a society where our moral compass has been turned upside down, Legal is equaling less and less morality.
Shawn, What you do not seem
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:24pm.
Shawn,
What you do not seem to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that the porn industry which you love to defend IS involved in drug trafficking, prostitution, sex slave trade, child pornography.
There is ZERO seperation from the porn industry that you defend and what cajun mentioned.
tsk, tsk, your argument is worthy of Michael Moore's half-truths and "clever" editing.
All things may be permittted
Submitted by misterbee241 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:52pm.
All things may be permittted (lawful) but not all things are helpful. I think the porn industry proves this point.
And how about the illegal drug industry? That provides jobs too. You ok with allowing that to continue? Is the provision of jobs your only measuring stick for right and wrong? The only difference between drugs and porn is the legality. See above statement.
People know how I feel about legalizing drugs
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:38pm.
I am trying to not talk about that subject at this time out of courtesy to a friend on NB.
Shawn, Your logic, when it
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:06pm.
Shawn,
Your logic, when it comes to pornography, is quite....hmmmm....scary, shall we say.
Drugs bring food to the table of families, so does slavery, so does snuff videos/pictures.
THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!!!
Our Souls are 100% more important than our bodily needs.
on another point....why the heck is a 2 years old signature line all of a sudden popping up at the bottom of my posts!!!!! I do not see it here where i type my post, why does it show up when I hit "save"?!!!! NB?! ANYONE?!
Aww be happy Liberallies
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:11pm.
No idea about the signature line, but Merry Christimas to you and Mr Bozell from the kids at Glee. ;-)
Shawn, WOW that girl from
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:21pm.
Shawn,
WOW that girl from GLEE is one ugly looking kid. YUCK! Thanks for the nightmares Shawn!
Anyway, this is a very serious subject and pornography is one of the things that is destroying our nation, our culture.
Women are objectified, sex is made the most important thing in a relationship. 10 to 17 year olds are the number one users of pornography. They grow up with a distorted and sick view of sexuality.
Western culture is being torn apart thanks to pornography.
Putting food on the table doesn't justify how we do it. If it can't be done morally, it should not be done at all. The ends never justify the means.
Have you seen Marvels
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:23pm.
Avengers on Disney XD? Its pretty good. I also have not had the chance to check out Batman and the Red Hood that you recommended yet.
The girl from Glee is not very pretty, but her voice is like a young Streisand. There are a few other babes on that show though, but she has the best voice.
No, I have not seen Avengers
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:29pm.
No, I have not seen Avengers on Disney XD. The Batman I recommend is pretty good, it is the story of the second Robin. I saw the other night on Disney a young Justice League. It was pretty good. They are sons, apprentices of Superman, Batman, Aquaman, etc, etc.
Have you been keeping up with Smallville? Last night's episode was pretty good. I think the show is going out with a bang. They have stopped the ridiculous love story and diviing into the DC Universe stories.
oh...and nice way to avoid the porn debate. :-p
Smallville is on the DVR
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:32pm.
and I will watch it tonight. I totally admit I am ducking a porn debate with you. Isn't it much more fun when we talk about stuff we agree on?
Well....it is fun to talk
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:44pm.
Well....it is fun to talk about mindless thing that we both agree on.
But at the same time, I am more interested in saving the souls of my children an defeating pornography where ever I encounter it.
I have had the porn debate with many an individual, including work collegues and the pro-porn arguments are very easily defeated and destroyed. :-) This is why you are avoiding the debate.
;-)
and I have to apologize for the my signature below. I am clueless how a two year old signature which I deleted years ago and directed to someone who was banned for his obvious hatred.
I agree fut
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:48pm.
You destroyed me so bad last time I don't want to come back for seconds. My points are not worthy of your debate, that is why I am trying to debate others because they do not have the deadly skills you do ;-)
Shawn, I am not the one
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:37pm.
Shawn,
I am not the one running from the debate. I guess you know what I will bring.
1) Underage women used in the porn industry.
2) The porn industry involved in the sex slave trade
3) The devastating effects that pornography has on marriages and how boys and men see and act towards women.
4) The devastating effects pornography has on women. Pornography has been linked to countless rapes.
5) The porn industry thrives on the heaviest users of porn, 10 to 17 year old boys!
6) Sons and daughters finding their father's and sometimes their mother's computers filled with pornography and losing ALL respect for his/her mother, father, parents. Destruction of family.
7) The porn industry using as a drug our most animalistic instinct against us and making us behave like animals and not like human beings.
Your come backs to all these....
"It is a choice...", "It brings money to our economy..."
1) It is rarely a choice when a woman is raped by a sex starved men who just spent countless of hours watching pornography
2) Money is FAR from the only thing to live for. Money, in fact, should not be something that we live for.
Liberallies I admit I am running
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:50pm.
You poetic words and debating skills are too much for me and I fear you schooling me in front of other people. Please show mercy on my obviously less important points than you okay? Thanks fut, your the bestShawn, Well, like I said,
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:49pm.
Shawn,
Well, like I said, you are the one running away from the debate. If your pro-porn arguments are so solid and unbeatable, by all means put them down on NB.
All you have to do is grab point by point and destroy what I said.
I think you are bringing some of your frustration with Cajun over to me. We are not the same, friend. I haven't insulting you, attempted to insult you or patronized you as you have.
???? LL
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:33am.
I thought I specified that I cannot hold a candle to your debating skills, and I cannot overcome your points. I was hoping to debate people less deadly than you.
Shawn, Maybe you can
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:48pm.
Shawn,
Maybe you can explain this.
ALL scientific data, all polling, all statistics prove that pornography is devastating to relationships, marriages. These also show that the heaviest users of pornography are children. These also show that the porn industry is heavily involved in the drug trade, in sex slave trade, in using underage girls and passing them as adults. It also shows that the porn industry benefits, money wise that is, neither the actors, actresses or those who watch it.
What scientifc evidence do you have that shows that pornography is good for society? Saying that it is a supposed choice, saying that it benefits the economy are neither scientific evidence nor moral arguments.
Why do you defend this industry so much? what is it about it that you deem of such good quality?
Why if it is ok to watch and use pornography do the vast majority of users hide it from friends, family, and more importantly from their children?
Shawn, if it is good and ok to watch pornography, why don't you let your children see you watching it? hmmm....
I know what you'll bring too
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:15pm.
"I guess you know what I will bring."
Mostly nonsense. And from reading the rest of your post, I was right, lol.
ckc1227, If my post is
Submitted by Liberallies on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:43pm.
ckc1227,
If my post is mostly nonsense, you should have an easy time deconstructing my arguments, right?
Saying that it is, it doens't make it so. I guess this is what passes as proof in your Liberal circles. LOL
Just a Troll
Submitted by DaMama on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 4:43pm.
Shawn is a troll. He obviously knows nothing of the devastation that porn brings to everyone involved, whether it is the "actors", those who view it or those who are victims of those who view it.
I have never seen a marriage that benefited from porn. I have never seen a child want to grow up to be a porn star. I've never seen a man put his porn mags on the coffee table for all to see. There is still a very small amount of shame in this society today, and people who are involved in this industry know it very well.
I have seen marriages, relationships between parent and child, careers and ministries devastated by porn. It serves no good purpose. It never has and it never will.
And, if you study the effectiveness of condoms, they are hardly reliable. The HIV virus is so small, it can pass through many brands of latex condoms. And I have 2 children that were the result of condom use, so I wouldn't trust my life with a small sheath of latex.
OIC Damma
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 4:53pm.
A different point of view and I am a troll eh? I wipe my bottom with what you have seen, if you want to have a reasonable discussion I am game. If you want a flame war. Bring it on.~?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 5:36pm.
You wipe your... Shawn, what does that mean?
Bru
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 5:43pm.
It means I wipe my butt with what she has seen. Sorry Bru I have no patience for people tha call me a troll when I have done nothing to deserve it Unless you think I was rude to anyone before this holier than thou poster entered.~With what she's seen?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 5:53pm.
I still don't get it.
It's an incredibly vulgar reference to make to a woman, shawn. "Troll" isn't exactly throwing down the gauntlet for a flame war. You're already defending porn, talking that way to a woman on this thread is only going to increase the perception that you have no respect for womanhood.
Or yourself.
Whatever Bru
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:01pm.
That is why used the word bottom. I did not flame anybody, but I seems nothing I can say can please you. The fact she can call me a troll without backing it up is totally okay with you. No problem bru, read you loud and clear.~Shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:06pm.
I've been called a troll here within the past two months!
When you post in defense of pornography on a conservative blog, you can expect to get some people upset. And you're right, nothing you can say on the subject of pornography can please me...unless it goes something like, "I've seen the light and foresworn the temptations of the devil! Yeehah! Praise the Lord!"
:)
Sigh bru
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:17pm.
As fragile as it may be, I like our friendship. I apologize to Da Mama and will be happy to have a respectful debate. I don't like to be a chauvanist, ok hot stuff? ;-)~*gasp*
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:27pm.
*slap*
Don't get fresh with me, you concupiscent troll!
*stomp, stomp, stomp, SLAM*
I gotta go with Wrathful Brunette here a little Shawn.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:04pm.
Troll is hardly fighting words. The Butt Hurt Stupid Satchmo Troll called me one just yesterday.
Do you own a gun Shawn?
~Yes he does
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:12pm.
He keeps a buffalo gun handy at all times, the Winchester repeater is only for special occasions.
Good. Looks like a certain troll will take a pass.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:19pm.
++++++++++++
#156 Are you a gun owner?
Submitted by The Original De... on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:19pm.
Are you a gun owner? Do the laws in your state require you to keep the ammunition separate at all times? Are your streets regularly police car patrolled? Does your children have GPS enabled phones? Do you have a locking gas cap? Do you test your brakes before you drive every day?
Sorry vet
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:11pm.
Wiping my "bottom" is hardly fighting words either.I know buddy.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:22pm.
You do gotta expect some flak though. For the record, guys view porn, they don't talk about viewing porn. You breaking rules big guy. Learn how to erase your porn viewing from the computer and drop the whole subject in polite company. Just a little advice from the the Uncle Vet.
~Polite company?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:30pm.
Oh crap: where?
Vet
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:31pm.
I only talk about it if on topic or I created a forum on it. I was not talking about me viewing it, I was asking the poster about people that can view it and have a stable family life. It does not need to be abused.Whatever big guy.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:39pm.
Never did answer that creepy stalker question. Oh well.
_____
#156 Are you a gun owner?Submitted by The Original De... on Thu, 12/09/2010 - 11:19pm.
Are you a gun owner? Do you have bushes or trees obstructing the view of any ground floor windows or doors? What side of the house are your childrens windows on? Do you regularly arm your home security system? Do you crack open windows in fair weather? Do they have castration laws for sexual predators in your state?
wha??
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:26pm.
I wipe my bottom with what you have seen...
?????
- Shy Guy
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
I got chunks of guys like you in my stool.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:42pm.
I will shoot you in the head and **** the bullet hole.
Shawn watches too much porn and should be watching the violent movies for the good lines. And SNL for the subject line.
~I have come here
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:50pm.
to chew bubblegum and kick @ss...and I'm all out of bubblegum.
All right Missy.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:58pm.
CLEAR THE ROOM OF THE YOUNG 'UNS. And Grandma, Grandpa, anyone on heart medicine, the weak, the invalid, the poor, the meek, pets, the spouse, and yourself.
Let's get down to it Missy.
The 100 Greatest Movie Insults of All Time
WARNING. LANGUAGE. LANGUAGE. LANGUAGE. That video contains language that will make the Wrathful Brunette cross the room and giggle like a schoolgirl. It will bring Shawn to tears. Mr. Shy, well, he wrote half of those lines, and the Vet, paid hollywood consultant on half of those videos.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK.
Vet
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:30pm.
Yowza, yeah, lots of cursing, but great stuff regardless :)
One that's missing is from The Graduate... when the father finds Dustin at the college dorm toward the end, and rips into him while warning him not to come near his family again.
- Shy Vinyl
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
OK.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:38pm.
So says the mealymouthed, ****licking, pack a day smoker of ****. Wait. Wait. Dang it. Misfire! Misfire! Sorry buddy. I had the gun out cleaning it and it went off by accident. I swear. All right. Least I could do is drive you to the hospital. You ain't using my insura... Ok, you can use my insurance, you are Uncle Shy, remember when we get there. Hey, stop bleeding on the cat!
Teh Vet
Submitted by MrShy on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:53pm.
Ahhh, yes.
And only 4 degrees of separation there. Me = my rockstar cousin who plays guitar for Sting = Sting = the late, great Phil Hartman.
- Shy Degrees
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
I wasn't going to get into this
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:10pm.
But I'm sorry, Shawn is not a troll. He is a left leaning libertarian and is very out there with his libertarian beliefs. He doesn't call names and states his beliefs straight forward. I dissagree with alot of what he believes in but he doesn't trash me for it, or anyone. He is almost always respectful of everyone who dissagree's with him, he just states his beliefs. Troll? No way. Leans left, yeah. But he is not a troll in any way and a lot here will agree to that. In fact, Shawn has moved a bit to the right since I've been here. He is good people with different view of things. JMHO.
Thanks Gary
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:26pm.
I have tried my best to be polite tonight, but a certain poster is trying to stir things up so a flaming match might not be able to be avoidedI got yer back Shawn
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:56pm.
You know I do. You are no troll and I'll defend you always, you know that. Who is stalking you? I haven't read the whole blog. Ef him/her whoever. Take care my friend.
You too Gary
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:31am.
Your the best.
~If anyone has been "stirred up"
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:51pm.
by anyone else through any private communications whatsoever, please feel free to speak up and name this "certain poster".
delete
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:35am.
Post made out of anger. Regret what I said.
~...
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:16pm.
I didn't see it; this east-coaster was asleep. No harm, no foul. You do have me curious, but I'm sure I'd rather not know.
There's no conspiracy against you, shawn.
After I posted it
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:26pm.
.......I thought about it. A week ago, I said some harsh things to a poster I know that you get along very well with and you did not interfere. I totally appreciated it.
I am unsure why you said I was like a snarkly little biotch because I am sarcastic to Cajun and my spelling is bad usual, but I am sure you have your reasons.
~Shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:56pm.
I like you. You get on my nerves terribly sometimes when it seems that you're being willfully obtuse, and especially when you needle, but I always come back to liking you. Dammit..
Whenever I've addressed you on this subject it's been to try to explain the destructiveness of porn and prostitution from a woman's/mother's perspective. You brush right on by it and talk about free will as if it's the be-all, end-all, excuse-all for everything. It's not.
Pornography is an attempt to take sex out of the context of reality and make it pure fantasy. Prostitution is an attempt to take sex out of the context of relationship and make it purely self-serving.
Both are psychologically unhealthy because it is an attempt to remove oneself from reality, and relationships with other people.
Prima facie evidence that pornography is harmful: It's addictive. No one ever gets addicted to carrots, spinach, giving to charity, or reading the Bible.
Ummm... actually...
Submitted by Rukus on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:58pm.
I'm one of those really weird freaks that likes spinach, I mean, REALLY likes spinach. I could eat it at every meal. It's just so, so, so green, and warm and, and, uh, I'll be back later, buh-bye. ; )
Spinich is good
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:45pm.
Especially in a big sourdough bowl wih lots of cheese and cream and bacon ;-)Sorry bru I disagree
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 3:38pm.
For some people porn is not good. I do not brush off children getting raped or actors getting STDs jut like I don't brush off drunk driving, abusive drunk husbands, and lung cancer from smoking I blame people for their actions, not cigarettes, porn or alcohol.~This reminds me
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 4:06pm.
of the subject line of an e-mail I got recently.
"Delivery to the following recipient (shawn) failed permanently."
You don't got mail
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:41pm.
I personally think there is something wrong with your firewall configuration settings because it seems it does not compute for you I said porn is not good for everybody.~Working perfectly
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 5:52pm.
Those firewalls are meant to keep sh!t out, right?
What's a "good" use for porn? Does it keep your firefox from freezing?
Settings are off
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:08pm.
The whole point is to penetrate firefox to keep it from freezing if you encounter Sh!t is all depends on the direction you took. Hope everything is okay with the ram and hard drive at your home.I"ve never seen
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:19pm.
"I've never seen a man put his porn mags on the coffee table for all to see."
I've never seen a man have sex with his wife. Clearly that means consensual sex with one's spouse is immoral and just plain bad.
~And you called cajun's argument silly?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 11:27pm.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
ck1227, ridiculous
Submitted by Liberallies on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:04am.
ck1227,
ridiculous argument!
I have ZERO problem talking to my children about sex, sexuality and intercourse and how mom and dad make babies.
TROLL can be inciteful*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:13pm.
To call someone a Troll maybe taken as inciteful. But if someone truely wanted to throw out an insult , then they would have called someone"ANOTHER FAT SACK OF MIKE BRATTON.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. I just saw it.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:48pm.
My ticker. My ticker can't take it. That one smarts. Shawn? Now Shawn, it was just an example. She said someone. Don't be upset.
Thank you cajun2.
Fat sack of Mike Bratton
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:17pm.
....and wiping my bottom are both tame compared to being asked what Vet toushie taste like ;-)
I would imagine a little bit like lumpia and linguisia. Two of my favorite food, but probably would not taste very good going through vet plumbing.
Careful
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:32pm.
Guys, Mike will accuse you of being un-conservative like.
Shawn, I never used the word gross in a sentence before,
cajun ROFLMAO!! That's an
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:05pm.
cajun ROFLMAO!!
That's an insult I'll remember.
cajun---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:10pm.
:o)
MD
funny guys*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 7:45pm.
yes its funny but please everyone remember that is THE VET"S line...I apologize for not correctly noting credits. I just assumed everyone would know something that funny and orginal had to be The Vet.
What gets me is this guy went
Submitted by misterbee241 on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 6:45pm.
What gets me is this guy went in knowing the risks, but decided to play anyhow. Now, he wants to government to mandate condoms for the porn industry. My hair hurts over this one. He wouldnt take precautions but he wants the government to pass a law forcing him to do so? Is this a classic case of wanting the government to protect him from himself?
Not to
Submitted by bobbys on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:15pm.
Not to lay down bible sayings but it do say.
The wages of sin is death.
One will pay in ones own body for sex sin.
I never understood how
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:29pm.
I never understood how prostitution could be illegal but commercial porn production was legal; they are both "sex for money".
The commercial porn industry
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 8:42pm.
The commercial porn industry has better lobbyists.
I'm beginning to think
Submitted by bsny on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:17pm.
that Brent is an expert in gay porn.
He certainly seems to know a
Submitted by bsny on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 9:26am.
He certainly seems to know a lot about the topic. Probably looked at a few films in his research.
You're beginning to think?
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:24pm.
You're beginning to think? Excellent! Good luck with what is obviously a new experience for you.
Rimshot!!, 26CX---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 12/11/2010 - 10:33pm.
Combined with a ten ring zinger!
Hoo-haw!
MD
I can see this thread is infested by Christian Fundies
Submitted by ArrowSmith on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:12am.
go away already, we in the GOP do not want you!
Careful there, newbie.
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:27am.
If it weren't for the votes of Christians and those of real conservatives, the GOP would be DFGS.*
*Deader than Frozen Dog-Squeeze.
You might want to be a little more careful with your wording, lest you manage to piss off about 85-90% of the members here.
And around here, that can be right fatal to a membership account.
Flaming bigots don't do well here at NB for very long.
Trust me, greenhorn, 'cause I sh*t you not.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Ol' Arrowsmith might wanna be careful there---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:31am.
as a slip of the finger could cause him to be labeling Christian Fundamentalists as fundios rather than fundies.
Not a nice word in Espanol.
MD
MD,
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:47am.
LOL - Yeah, that malodorous orifice charge wouldn't fly around here for very long.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Sorry, I support them
Submitted by mzk1 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 8:02am.
Well, I'm not a Christian of any sort, capitalized or otherwise, but I consider myself part of the religious right. The so-called "fundamentalists" are the best thing about the Republican party.
Why isn't this prostitution?
Submitted by mzk1 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 8:05am.
Why isn't this sort of thing, or the milder form practiced by Hollywood, in violation of the prostitution statutes?
For that matter, why isn't it sexual harrassment? It's illegal to tell a secretary that her job requires her to "put out"; why is it legal (and even enforcable(!)) to ask that of an actress?
Oh and another thing Cajun2
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 10:58am.
People beat up sex slaves, hold them against their will, and keep almost all the money their captors make.
Porn actresses have free will and if they get a disease, it is their own decision and sad as it may be, they have to take responsiblity or what they did and nobody forced them to do anything.
Exactly my point shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:21pm.
There are consequences for peoples actions, decisions, often brought on by the actions of others as well.
Some people sit in their lazy-boy in the comfort and privacy of their own home, sipping a scotch and enjoy the depravity depicted on film by "actors". A perspective distant and detatched.
As Liberalies and I have been trying to tell you, legal or not, voluntary or not, there is devasting harm done to the people involved. Some of us have been "behind the curtain" dealing with the bloody aftermath. Brutely raped children, prostitutes addicted to drugs as a way of anesthezing from the emotional damage done by their "profession". 75% of all prostitutes were sexually abused as children. Is it acceptable to take advantage of damaged individuals to promise them a way to "make a living" in the same manner they suffered "damage"? There are hundreds of studies done and statistics to show that the damage done to real people, not "actors". Too numerous to link here but I would ask that you take the time to review them yourself.
I have been involved with people who "make a living" from pornography and prostitution. That depraved life style takes its toll on those involved as well as others. Most of those "others" are children. The horror stories I could tell you about the brutal assaults of these women and young boys and girls involved would not be appropriate here in this type of forum.
All I have tried to do on this thread is to give you opportunity, from my perspective, professional experiences, to consider this profession from another view. Not just the one in front of the tv.To do that would require looking at a situation or people from outside of yourself, your needs, your wants. Emotional detatchment is a way of avoiding some unpleasant truths and consistent denial of reality and consequences. This denial and your strawman arguments are generally why you get such negative replies on this issue from the majority of posters at NB. You have mentioned in several posts that I seldom reply to your posts. That is accurate and due to your consistent support of pornography and prostitution. After this exchange, I will return to "no reply" mode.
I do not believe my disagreements with you have been insulting. I am simply respectfully, again,asking you to look at this profession from another point of view, another reality, not in front of the screen but "behind the curtain". My professional experiences being called silly or strawman arguments were offensive. When you minimize the story of a 10 yr old raped by her "aroused" uncle after watching porn, and know this child had such damage that required a hysterectomy, to call that consequence a "silly" argument does insult my profession and my entire career. That child is only one example but other cases, even more devastating, are not appropriate for this forum. I only ask that you respectfully consider that there are those of us at NB that have real experiences with the aftermath of these professions. To readily dismiss those experiences as "strawman" arguments is offensive and lacks intellectual discourse.
I am not offended with unintentional mispelling of cajun2 so, knowing many posters use these hand held devices, I take no offense at being referred to as c2.
Thank you Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:36pm.
Respectful debate is all I ask for. You also accused me of using stawmans too so I guess that makes us even.
"I do not believe my disagreements with you have been insulting"I guess, calling me Nwahs and and adolescent is friendly? lol, thats okay I was kind of snarky as well ;-)
As I stated in another post, I have online friended a few actresses and few women that give friendship for a living and they don't paint a super rosy picture, but they enjoy what they do and not every case is like the ones that you have seen.
As far was LL goes. Him and I have debated this countless time, and I figure its not worth another go around.
I would like to debate this further with you and I promise to not be snarky if you do the same, but If this is the last reply from you, then thank you for your response. You have a good day.
1. People are free to make
Submitted by Satchmo on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 12:54pm.
1. People are free to make their own choices. As long as force or fraud is not involved, they are solely responsible. Some of those choices may be harmful to the individual, but we must recognize that the individual is free to make decisions for himself. I think this individual should sue if information that he was going to be exposed to an HIV-positive person was kept from him.
2. There is no such thing as greed. "Greed" is just a tool of the wealth-envy crowd.
Hey Butt Hurt Stupid Satchmo troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 1:08pm.
Yes, Butt Hurt Stupid Satchmo troll, greed is not one of the original 7 deadly sins. It has now been replaced.
Lust (Latin, luxuria)
Gluttony (Latin, gula)
Butt Hurt Stupidity (Latin, satchmonia)
Sloth (Latin, acedia)
Wrath (Latin, ira)
Envy (Latin, invidia)
Pride (Latin, superbia
no force no fraud*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:34pm.
Three women walk into a bar, a blonde, a brunette, and a redhead. They sit at a table and there is an amazed satchperv. Satch says" hey, ladies, can I buy you a drink? The ladies say, sure satch, we are out on the town for fun anyway, want to join us?
Satch says, "sure, what you ladies got in mind?'. The brunette says, oh you'll see but first, which of these do you like best?....the brunette pulls out Walther PPK .38 (wow nice grip),,, the blonde pulls out a Beretta 9mm, and the redhead has a brand new Glock SF .45. Come on satch...which do you like best? Can't start the fun til we know which you prefer. PICK ONE SATCH!
no force, no fraud.....your choice.