Bozell Column: No Poetry Controversy?

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For the fourth time in modern history, a presidential inauguration ceremony will include an official poet. Barack Obama has tapped Yale African-American Studies professor Elizabeth Alexander to compose an original poem for the historic occasion of welcoming America’s first black president.

Inaugurations are high-minded occasions, ceremonies full of hope and idealism and a focus on the historic sweep of our country. A commemorative poem, especially a classic ode to America, sounds like a fine idea. But Team Obama wants something really contemporary. The cultural elite is taking credit for Obama’s election, arguing the arts opened narrow American minds to the prospects of hope and change. Jeremy McCarter boasted in Newsweek: “Where did we Americans learn to be so uniquely broad-minded? In large part, from our artists.”

The danger of a politician sponsoring official poetry composed just for the moment is the poem might fall flat under the weight of its own cockeyed self-importance. Many remember Maya Angelou in 1993 proclaiming in grandiloquent tones some nonsense about a river, a rock, and a tree. It was a flop. If the poem is too opaque, it will suggest to the millions watching on television that poetry is a high-faluting art best saved for gatherings of tenured professors and Ph.D. candidates, sipping their lattes.

In today’s America, poetry is either high art or lowbrow commerce. It comes either from avant-garde poets, writing only for a snobbish elite and ignored by the broad public; or from commercial sources, assembly-line verses crammed into a Hallmark card, written for the masses and spurned by the tastemakers. In today’s culture, the most popular poems are usually song lyrics, from rock anthems to rat-a-tat rap songs about the thug life. They’re not the kind of poetry you read on marble platforms for presidents and Supreme Court justices.

Obama’s pick of Professor Alexander of Yale fits comfortably into that snobbish elite, and worse yet, the Obama vetters did not seem to contemplate her appointment as a chance for people to become acquainted with her more outrageous work, especially one of her best-known poems, entitled “The Venus Hottentot.” It caused Investor’s Business Daily to warn about an “X-rated inauguration.”

The poem reimagines the tale of Saartjie Baartman, a black South African woman who was put on display in the nude for curious European audiences at the turn of the 19th century. It’s about black female exploitation and contains the line, "her genitalia will float inside a labeled pickling jar." And: "Since my own genitals are public I have made other parts private." And: "I am a black cutout against a captive blue sky, pivoting nude so the paying audience can view my naked buttocks." And: “In this newspaper lithograph, my buttocks are shown swollen and luminous as a planet.”

The strangest passage concerns what this exploited woman expects a medical examiner to find inside her genitals: “Monsieur Cuvier investigates between my legs, poking, prodding, sure of his hypothesis. I half expect him to pull silk scarves from inside me, paper poppies, then a rabbit!”

These spit-take lines have been quoted and celebrated. In 1990, the New York Times published them and raved over them. Is it a surprise to anyone that Alexander was subsequently awarded a creative writing fellowship by the National Endowment for the Arts?

Surely, she won’t read a pickled private-parts poem at the inauguration. But her appointment hasn’t produced one sliver of controversy. No what is deemed truly controversial is minister Rick Warren offering a brief prayer. His offense is his past, supporting California’s Proposition 8, defining the word “marriage” as describing an opposite-sex union.

It’s not only sex, but race, that offers controversy in this appointed poet. Obama’s election was supposed to define a great thaw in our race relations. He isn’t finding that sort of champion in Professor Alexander, who was written of modern America as a brutally racist place. She wrote that the Rodney King police-brutality case in 1991 was somehow akin to blacks in professional sports: “Black bodies in pain for public consumption have been an American national spectacle for centuries,” as she read from her own writing at Harvard last May -- “from the public lynchings of yesterday to the basketball and boxing of today.” In a sample of prose from her essays, Alexander observed in that same elite setting that “black thought and life rarely go uninterrupted by the violent gougings of racism.”

On this historic day, when America might feel tempted to bouts of self-congratulation, we might be counseled to reject the narrow-minded idea that America has any greatness, and be invited to embrace in rhyming lines that most of us are violent, gouging racists. I can already feel the warmth and the harmony.

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Our kids

It's bad enough that America, on Inauguration Day, is going to be subjected to this spewer of hate and "scholarly" garbage, but know also that this is what you are paying for in universities across the nation. Western culture and legitmate American literature has been purged from the classroom, to be replaced by "liberal" pap as written by the likes of "professor" Alexander. Moreover, it is literature of hatred for all "white" people, ignoring the good, while highlighting the evil in order to indoctrinate our children. These are the Nazis and Fascists of the left, alive and well in our classroooms and now on the national stage. It is a sad time for America, with much worse to come.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Coronation Day Poetry

I imagine it will be something along the lines of Tyrone Green's epic "C-I-L-L my Landlord"

Modern poets doth greatly suck anyway.

Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell

America's promise

Yes, in a modern America so full of promise and opportunity for all, the modern "liberal" can do nothing but dwell on filth and degrade all humanity. Even the black writers of the past, such as the legitimate artists of The Harlem Renaissance, pointed to our history with the hope that things will get better. They emphasized that evil can be snuffed out by the good and the positive. They were artists of hope, not perveyors of hate. For a man like Barry to choose this bottom-dweller as his "poet" belies the message of "hope" he so blithely banters about. The man and his entourage are phony hypocrites.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

This

This "professor" is what was known in a more truthful era as a poetaster. If this trash is poetry then the Bard is spinning in his grave.

The Bard?

The Bard? Are you referring to that white "sexist", William Shakespeare? Who can even understand what he is saying? Let's all read the fine works of "professor" Alexander instead ---and find a true understanding of the "white" male. We're at Yale, ya' know.

Better still, let's go over to that other Ivy League institutuion, Princeton. There we can study the "thesis" of that great thinker, Michelle Obama. Oh boy! I understand they also have videos of the specches of the Revernd Wright. Pack your bags and your laptops.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

→ Known henceforth as

"The Barred"

If you're not a Prostitute/Madam (Maya Angelou) shouting "I am a Tree" at Clinton's inauguration, you just don't pass muster anymore.

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This is a sample of Alexander's poetry

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Neonatology

Is
funky, is
leaky, is
a soggy, bloody crotch, is
sharp jets of breast milk shot straight across the room,
is gaudy, mustard-colored poop, is
postpartum tears that soak the baby’s lovely head.

Then everything dries and disappears
Then everything dries and disappears

Neonatology

is day into night into day,
light into dark into light, semi-
and full-fledged, hyperconscious,
is funky, is funny: the baby farts,
we laugh. The baby burps, we smile, say “Yes.”
The baby poops, his whole body stiffens,
then steam heat floods the pipes.
He slashes his nose with nails we cannot bear to trim,
takes a nap, and the wounds disappear.
The spirit lives in your squirts and coos.
Your noises and fluids are what you do.

Neonatology

is what we cannot see: you speak to the birds,
the birds speak back, is solemn,
singing, funky, frightening,
buckets of tears on the baby’s lovely head, is

spongy.

scary

This is only a small portion of this lovely ode. If you really want to be scared, go to her site, and check out some of her  musings. I happened to look her up about a week ago, when she was announced, because I was dying to see if she was another "Maya."

 Turns out, she may be worse. It might be worth turning in to see what kind of psycho stuff she comes up with.

 

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

Thank you, no

That was disgusting enough.

 

Seriously

I read the first line before I realised what it was. Closed my eyes and scrolled rapidly. I don't need that trash imprinted on my brain. Pope, Browning, Keats, Rosetti, etc. are very happy there, thank you.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

→ Just lovely

She's got "I am a Tree" beat all to hell.

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Neonathology?

Contrast "neonathology" with this from a black poet in 1921:

                           America

          Although she feeds me bread of bitterness,

          And sinks into my throat the tiger's tooth,

          Stealing my breath of life, I will confess

           I love this cultured hell that tests my youth!

           Her vigor flows like tides into my blood,

           Giving me strenth erect against her hate...

 

             I stand within her walls with not a shred

              Of terror, malice, not a word of jeer...

 

There's protest with dignity, understanding, and real "hope" for our nation. Take note, "professor" Alexander! (and the rest of you "liberals")

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

                                                   

 

              

              

"Artists"

Artists not only reflect the decline of society, they sometimes, as now, lead the decline, orchestrate it and manipulate it to their own goals and social agenda. Think Ginsburg, Angelou, ad nausium. Has there ever been a poet lauriate that wasn't a socialist, and lived on the dole? For that matter, has there ever been an inaugural poet that wasn't a black socialist? Race sure seems to be a prerequiset for that in our society that "abhors" race based discrimination.

Cool Arrow

LOL! "The Barred"---excellent, CA.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I wonder how many times Ms

I wonder how many times Ms Elizabeth had to be warned not to use the terms "white faced devils" and "honky" in her inaugural "poem". We'll see if she was paying attention.

For liberal Democrats and the Old Media, everything is crisis, chaos, calamity and catastrophe. That justifies stealing your property and liberties.

pickled genitalia not poetic license

Hi Brent,

You note that Saartjie Baartman was put on display and you quote Alexander's line, "her genitalia will float inside a labeled pickling jar."

But you don't seem to know--or don't seem to find it worth telling your readers--that Alexander's line is pretty much historically accurate: Baartman's skeleton, genitalia, and brain were preserved and were on display at the Musee de l'Homme until some time in the 1970s (I think 1974 or so, but don't quote me on that).

So, let's argue about whether poetry has a place in a political ceremony or whether Alexander's poetry is any good--but at least we can all agree that we've learned something from this poetry. Saartjie Baartman's genitalia were actually preserved and labeled.

Nicholas

Thank you, ever so much for letting us know this! Otherwise, we would have just thought it was a really, really stupid poem. In a hour of boredom, I perused her catalog of poetry, fairly extensively. Art, of course, is a personal taste, and some may find great joy in reading about her bloody crotch, or inspired by the mustard colored baby poop. I am sure she is often described as "sexual" and "earthy" and "real," all those nifty words that professors like to use to describe poetry such as Ms. Alexanders. I have to say, for me, I will just have to pass. I'd rather hear crazy Maya Angelou talk about rocks and trees and such, again. Or, maybe Jay-Z can just do a rap then, or something.

 

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

not arguing about inaugural art until I see it

hi butler,

I'm not arguing about art, of course, but about the historical referent that this one particular poem is about.

If you want to argue that her inauguration poem is no good, well, I'll meet you back here on the 21st! (I am, quite admittedly, pulling a switcheroo here, switching a discussion of one poem for another--but for a reason: Bozell seems to be outraged by this one poem in particular, and to think that Alexander won't do a good job as an inaugural speaker; I'm willing to see what she does on inauguration day before I judge her inaugural poem.) 

(And then we can also discuss all of the invocations, both Rick Warren's and Gene Robinson's. Speaking of, it's funny to me that Bozell notices the left-wing anger over Warren's inclusion, but he doesn't talk about the right-wing anger over Robinson's inclusion. Did you hear that the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission advised parents not to let their children watch because the inauguration is going to involve a gay man? http://www.christianadc.org/news-and-articles/233-inaugural-warning-p-fo... .)

→ Good Idea Nickleby

Makes sense to me.

So why isn't William Ayers delivering a reading from the dais?

Why didn't Barack Obama ask if maybe David Duke might to say a few words?

Maybe Barry's Illegal Alien aunt could introduce him?

Oh, well, you've got a point.  Obama's partner is none other than the racist, Joe Biden, who pigeonholes Indians and African Americans alike, into levels of subserviance.

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judging a book but not by its cover

long time, CA, how're you?

You're right in part--taken to its logical extreme, I'm arguing that we shouldn't judge a book by its cover. I would stand by that: you shouldn't just a book by its cover. (Which is pretty much what Bozell is doing, judging Alexander by one poem--and if he doesn't know the historical background to the poem, I don't think he's doing a very good job of judging.)

However, there's still an appropriate place for certain books; for instance, if your minister/priest took out a comic book to read from rather than the Bible, you might call foul

Now, a poem at the inauguration is traditional--or at least not totally a departure from ceremony (I mean, once could be an experiment, twice, an accident, and three times, a coincidence, but four times is definitely tradition. Cue <i>Fiddler on the Roof</i> music.) I have no problem with this tradition being followed, and given that I haven't read much of Alexander's poetry, I'm willing to suspend judgment.

However, I would not agree with what you're advising with the (hypothetical) inclusion of Ayers, Dukes, and/or Sotero for two reasons: one, for at least two of those people, I don't think it would count as judging a book by its cover to say that I don't need to hear them--Duke and Ayers have been around for a while, and I've read more of their work than I have of Alexander's.

And two, including any of those three people to give a little speech would be breaking with tradition--like a priest/minister reading from a comic book instead of the Bible in church. (Now, I'm all for breaking with tradition if it will be helpful to do so: find me someone who has something important to say, and I might reconsider this--but Duke's "racial realism" and Ayers' radicalism would not be helpful or important).

→ Good point Nickleby

And I'm sure others have voiced opinions, better than me, that this writer actually represents the type of education a liberal academia will produce.

I think it's only four times a poet has been introduced at the inaugural.  If that's a tradition, (1/10th) the case can be made for lots of traditions.

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1/11th

yes, I had to look up the third--I mean, we all remember Frost and Angelou, but Miller Williams? Couldn't remember him at all. (And Alexander will make 4 out of 44, so, 1/11th.)

As for the "oh no, Alexander is going to a read a poem" argument that Bozell presents here, it seems pretty unimportant. I mean, in a few months time, who will remember--or, more to the point, care about--Alexander's poem? (Unless, of course, she does something really crazy. Otherwise, she'll probably go the way of Frost, Angelou, or Williams.)

As for the Bozell's trademark faux-outrage over the liberal media's failure to investigate Alexander's disgusting poetry, I'd find it more believable if he could present something here substantive, instead of one poem (the historical background of which he doesn't seem to know) and one thing she said about sports.

Which is a long way for me to say, why is Bozell getting so upset about the inaugural poet for this Tuesday? If he really wants to be outraged by Obama's choices, wait until Wednesday.

→ Because, nickleby

She has chosen to represent a vision of life in somewhat vulgar terms.

Though I doubt he'd be anything but respectful, can you imagine Obama commissioning Hustler Magazine to take pictures his First Lady?

Might America at least raise an eyebrow?

We've got an incoming President who's got miles to go before we sleep, comfortably, with his choices and associations.

I can squeeze some Frost into my dialogue, but I'm just going to have to work on Alexander.

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Cool, do you really think

Cool, do you really think this poet's work is on the same level as Hustler? 

→ No Bal

Is that important?  What am I saying?

Are you admitting Hustler is an obscene publication?

I'm shocked!

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well, any poetry helps get one through the day

Hi Cool,

Here's the issue, as I see it, and you can disagree with me (but hopefully me articulating it will make it clear why I think Bozell's column is silly).

The inauguration may send a certain message--for instance, having Rick Warren one day and Gene Robinson another certainly sends a message about Obama's big tent philosophy of governing: he disagrees with both of them on certain political issues, but he's willing to have a conversation with them and include them. (It's pretty much the same message Obama sent by having dinner with some conservative critics and breakfast with some liberal critics a few days ago.)

So, in that way, having Alexander read a poem (which we haven't heard yet) may send a message too; but given that Alexander has written quite a few poems--some of them vulgar, some of them not so vulgar--there's no way for us to know now what she'll do on Tuesday. (This was part of my point about Duke and Ayers: they show a consistency in their thought and expression that makes it easier to judge them before the act, though even they might surprise us--I'm just not holding my breath for that.)

So, what sort of message does having Alexander up there send? Before she gives her poem, I think the most we can say about Obama's pick is that the message it sends is that he values poetry, or more generally, arts and writing. That doesn't seem to me to be that controversial of a message--I mean, wasn't Rove recently bragging about how many books Bush reads?

As for this poem about the Venus Hottentot, Saartjie Baartman, I think the difference between Bozell and I is that Bozell sees this poem as distasteful, whereas I think the actual historical fact that her genitals were preserved and displayed until 1974 is more distasteful. (She died in 1815, so her genitalia were displayed for 159 years. There's also the whole history of her being a slave who was exhibited for money which she was promised but I don't think ever received.)

So, to sum up, the evidence that Alexander is vulgar in Bozell's argument rests on one poem of which Bozell doesn't seem to know the background; and even if she comes out with something shocking on Tuesday--the poetic equivalent of a wardrobe malfunction--will it really matter in 100 days?

Bozell's column thus seems pretty shallow (he's read one poem of hers and he's ready to tell you all about her) and pretty much besides the point. I've said it before (although maybe not here), and I'll say it again: if conservative figures like Bozell believed what they said before the election about Obama being a radical left Marxist Muslim whose election will bring the end of America as we know it--well, then, complaining about his taste in poetry seems like small potatoes, doesn't it?

(Or is Bozell just trying to stir up controversy to keep people coming to his sites? How much do you think he makes a year from the MRC?)

Hey JERK who pretends to read good books

1. That tripe bears the same resemblance to poetry that sh!t bears to a fine filet mignon.
2. Obama's 'big tent' philosophy is 'fool as many people as possible for as long as possible to gain as much power as possible'. He's about as 'inclusive' as a frigid Victorian spinster. (Miss Knag)
3. Values poetry? If he 'valued' poetry he'd have that talentless hack shot before she commited any more crimes against taste, decency, rhyme, meter, and the frigging English language.
4. You insult the living hell out of my favorite English author by using one of his fine works as your screen name. I shall henceforth refer to you as Squeers. A much more appropriate name from that book.
5. For the high crime of desecrating the name of one of Dickens' great characters, I will track every remark you make and dog your punk @ss out.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Wow.

Wow.

okay

see you around choselife3x.

also, Noel Sheppard already tried to tag me with a different Nicholas Nickleby name--he chose "Smike," which is pretty good, but he had to explain it several times, and it never really struck.

Squeers cringed

And crawled back under his rock. He could only be grateful that he hadn't had the gall to call himself David Copperfield.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Wow, Nicholas, you figured that out from reading Dick & Jane?

Or was it Bogana and Wana?

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

That's cold BD

Nick is up to "See Phideaux Run".

Jesus Loves You

for instance, having Rick

for instance, having Rick Warren one day and Gene Robinson another
certainly sends a message about Obama's big tent philosophy of
governing
:
[hahahaha....what that means is that the tent is big enough to hold everyone who agrees with him] he disagrees with both of them on certain political issues, but he's willing to have a conversation with them and include them.
(It's pretty much the same message Obama sent by having dinner with
some conservative critics and breakfast with some liberal critics a few
days ago.
(emphasis added)

Uh, no, it just means that he's willing to include them in his spectacle.

I don't know why he's having Gene Robinson, but he's having Warren because he is the Celebrity Pastor du Jour.  It doesn't mean he's willing to collaborate with Warren on anything, least of all anything that has to do with what liberals like to call "women's reproductive health issues."

As for having breakfast with critics, do you actually think he did that to give them a chance to change his mind?  

Likely he told them that they can work with him on the issues they agree on.  Period.  He has no intention of moderating his own views to compromise with dissenters.

about that big tent

hi mother,

actually, I think we agree, more or less, on at least one point: I said that he was willing to have a conversation with people he disagrees with--I didn't mean (and didn't mean to imply) that he was willing to adopt the viewpoint of anyone he talked to. So, this is what we agree on: that everyone is invited to the big tent, because even if you disagree on some things, you might still agree on others.

Now, I think we might disagree on whether he might change his mind. I think we've seen evidence that he'll change his mind if people convince him. (For instance, he met with a CIA official who seems to have convinced him that it would not be helpful to investigate the CIA's past use of torture ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR200901... ).)

But, anyway, this is getting us away from the topic of the inauguration, which is not a policy meeting, and not about convincing people. (For instance, he's not going to try to convince Warren that it's ok to be gay.) By including Warren, Robinson, and even Alexander, I don't think he's sending a message other than "look at us, we're all Americans."

Which is also a long way for me to say that I agree with your post that starts "I really don't care if"--complaining about his inauguration picks seems like a waste of outrage. 

The only way Obama changes

The only way Obama changes his mind, is if it is advantageous to HIM. If you really believe he is trying to have some sort of "big tent" inauguration, or Presidency, for any other reason than  he is using this as a show, then you are extremely naive. It is all about Barack, what's good for him. There's no way in hades that he gives a rat's rear about regular American people, or any others, for that matter.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

tbdi

while i find B-HO to be a politician and thus self-serving i do not find him anywhere close to the narcicism of Hil & Bill.

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

BOTG

I fervently hope that is the case, but I really don't think so. I feel very confident in saying that Bill and Hil have nothing on this guy. He is just a better actor. Trust me, I would love to be proven wrong, please come back here and tell me I was crazy, but I won't be holding my breath. We just thought we had seen the worst.

 

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

time will tell. now faith

time will tell.

now faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts

Two Words

Whistlestop Tour.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Squeers

Obama didn't 'change his mind', he got slapped upside the head with a dose of reality.
Well whaddya know, the planet didn't begin to heal the moment he got elected. The rest of the world wasn't suddenly dazzled with his brilliance. The terrorists didn't join hands and sing Kum-Ba-Yah. What a shocker.
Wonder what he'll 'change his mind' about after Putin rips him three new ones.

The only 'message' this inauguration love fest is sending is "Look at us sychophantic morons making a joke out of our Constitution".

Keep watering down the milk, Wackford.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

How Nice

How nice you learned something from that tripe but I think you missed the point entirely.

"liberal" trick

Guess what? You can "learn something" from any filth you wish to discuss. This is so typical of the "liberal" -- an attempt to divert attention from the real issues and to justify their abhorrent behavior. But more people are on to their tricks. Too bad, isn't it. Ms. Alexander should be ashamed of herself--the slob "teaching" our kids is now representing our president. Sad.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

why is "liberal" in quotation marks, man?

iveseenitall,

as stated above, I didn't learn about Saartjie Baartman from Alexander's poem--and if I was trying to defend a poem, I wouldn't argue that it's a good poem because it teaches us about history. (After all, that's not poetry's function.)

I just wanted to point out to Bozell something about the poem which he doesn't seem to know, which is that its mention of labeled and preserved genitalia is historically accurate. You can still think this poem is disgusting and bad--I didn't argue that it's a good poem--but I did want to point out the accurate history that informs it. 

"Ashamed"? Of what? Because

"Ashamed"? Of what? Because she offended your narrow sensibilities with a poem about how a black woman's body was treated by white people?

Balboa

Ashamed of her horrible writing? That she is called a poet? That someone awarded her with accolades for the tripe she writes? As I said above, I was curious about Ms. Alexander when I first heard her name mentioned a few weeks back. I went to her site, and read about 9 of her odious odes. If you like her "poetry" then fine and dandy with me. Color me unimpressed. I truly hope she reads something  scandalous. It would be a reason to actually see a portion of this grand ascension.

 

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

Ooh, look everyone!

Balboa demonstrates how a liberal's APPROVAL of a lewd, crude, vulgar jumble of ugly words indicates his MORAL superiority.
Everyone please keep the laughter to a dull roar. My baby is sleeping.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

I really don't care if

I really don't care if she's written stuff that some find offensive.

I'm assuming what she recites on the day won't be.

 It's not like he's naming her to head the National Endowment for the Arts after all.

There are so many more important things to disagree with him on; this doesn't rate very highly for me. 

→ She must be a poet

You've sold me, bal.

If that passle of words quoted above is about how whitey treats blackie, I totally missed it, and that must mean allegory, and that starts with "a" and that stands for poetry. 

All I got from the poem was that a woman seemed overly obsessed with transferring her own bodily fluids to her kid and how disgusting and strangely transfixing it all is.

So that poem is really about a woman squirting her milk at me?  Dang, I missed it.  And there's people who pay money just to watch movies where women do that.

Hey, bal!  Her poetry is starting to quack like "Hustler" 

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heh, actually, I learned this from a science fiction story

Sentry,

No, I think I got Bozell's point about Alexander--that was in my last line about how we could still talk about the role of poetry in the public sphere or the quality of Alexander's art.

I got Bozell's point, and I'm not disputing it in any way; I just wanted to point out that the line that Bozell picked from the poem about Saartjie Baartman was actually just a historical description. It may be bad poetry, but it's true history.

(And if you're curious, the science fiction story that talks about Saartjie and her history on display both during and after her life is by Paul Di Filipo, from his collection <i>The Steampunk Trilogy</i>--which is curious to me only because, while Di Filipo clearly agrees with Alexander about the horrific exploitation of Saartjie Baartman, he has another story in that collection which celebrates two of America's most canonical authors, Walt Whitman and Emily Dickinson, whom Di Filipo clearly respects immensely. So it looks like you can be disgusted by the dissection of a woman and the display of her pickled genitalia and still love canonical works. If you like science fiction, Di Filipo is an odd writer, but very inventive.)

Stay warm out there!

This is silly

1) We don't yet know what kind of poem she will perform at the inauguration. We shouldn't judge something before it happens. It seems likely she will tilt towards optimistic and easily understandible content in this poem. She is not a fool and is likely to cater to her audience as artists often do (whether they admit it or not).

2)Alexander has written many poems. Isn't she allowed to write one like the "hottentot" poem dealing with the horrors of her people's historical experience? Does this one poem define her entire artistic identity making her some kind of america-hater incapable of expressing any kind of optimism about our country?

3) How does her selection undermine western literature? Is there any evidence that she detests the classical canon? The rumors of classica literature's death are greatly exaggerated. I attended new england prep schools and colleges so liberal that conservative members could be counted on one hand but we still read and loved Shakespeare, Dante and Plato.

 

well said

well said, RC.

Also, ever notice how people are always ready to talk about the power of words when they're offended by them? I mean, Bozell's column seems to boil down to "oh no, Alexander is going to <b>read a poem</b>! What's happening to this country!" If poetry is so powerful, why doesn't the DoD hire poets to write scathing sonnets about Al Qaeda? If poetry is so powerful, why should we look for Bin Laden, when we should be looking for something that rhymes with Bin Laden?

→ I know, I know!

Rhymes with bin ladin?

How about "Biden's been noddin' "

Get it?  It's brilliant.  Biden's just acting like he's asleep because he is aware of, and has vowed ("mark my words") an international crisis.

So, it kinda rhymes, doesn't it?

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osama poem

That towel headed freak Bin Ladin

Has breath like week old menhaden

He speaks no words of wit

His body smells like shit

And his death would cause me to gladden!!!

 

 

Misterbill

Wow, Misterbill! Way to go! What's your last name--Shakespeare?

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Misterbill, about your poetry

I got a chill.

Angry White Dude

www.angrywhitedude.com

Silly?

Western culture and Western literature may not be dead yet, but it is surley dying in our public schools and universities. I and many of my colleagues who are steeped in the classics know this to be true. And I didn't see anyone calling her anti-American here. What Brent Bozell and others are suggesting is that her selection is representative of the tripe we object to in the public sphere. When told to "teach" this kind of thing at the university level, even I was embarrassed. Call it old fashioned, but I couldn't do it when  many students were embarassed and uncomfortable as well. And I knew that there was much better literature from which to abstract ideas and images. IMO this kind of poetry does nothing to enhance our culture. It is based on the lowest common denominator and it lowers whatever standards we have left. It is a capitulation to the popular culture, as if we need more of that.

BTW, words have changed the world. They've got plenty of "power". We now have an empty suit as POTUS, because of his "words", certainly not because his actions. 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Roses are red, violets are blue

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I didn't vote for Obama,
Because he's a socialist.

I would be happy to recite this on Tuesday in DC if invited.

Angry White Dude

www.angrywhitedude.com

Jefflebowski

If you and Misterbill were invited I surely go to see it. Otherwise, I'm staying home to watch the movie 1984 and recite some poetry which is as bad as Ms. Alexander's.( bleep,bleep)

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

Iveseen, You're better

Iveseen,

You're better off reading the book.  Unfortunately, neither the 1956 version nor the version from 1984 did the book any justice.

Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell

Silly answers

1) You are correct. We don't know what she will read. However, we are free to discuss whether it will be in the vein of her other works. Whether she is a fool or not, is not known, and certainly can't be judged by her poetry. If she is catering to her audience, then how does that make her an artist? Wouldn't that make her  a Hallmark Greeting Card composer?

2) Yes, she has written many poems. She is allowed to write as many, with any content, that she chooses. No, one poem doesn't define her, in any way. Please be sure to read the body of her work at her site.

3) I don't know that her selection could "undermine western literature," but it certainly makes it blush from embarassment frequently. How nice for you that you were able to attend such liberal bastions of education, and still be able to enjoy the simple joys of old Will Shakespeare et al.

 

 

 

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

This is absolutely

This is absolutely deplorable.

One more reason I won't watch/listen to any of this over-blown BS.

The Presidential Inauguration has been made into a traveling circus...with a three day side-show.

Despicable...a crying shame what has happened to graciousness or class.

I thought it was 'the

I thought it was 'the economy, stupid' and 'the issues the American people really care about'?

Now it's actually Marxist kultur and ideology.

I wonder if these rust belt blue-collar types and the retirees worrying about their 401Ks are even noticing how their votes over economic fears have been co-opted into a Socialist mandate?

They'll see no relief, of course, but will be treated to the realization they created a monster.  Wonder if they'll ever admit it?

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Strange how America is

Strange how America is letting itself dissipate into absurdity by taking people like Alexander seriously.  This woman is not a poet anymore than my 8 year old daughter is.  I have seen better poetry on the bathroom stall of a truck stop.  

No wonder the Chinese are going forward and America seems to be going backwards.  While the Chinese send their kids to college to learn about physics, our children are being taught by teachers like Alexander.  While the Saudi's are building buildings that touch the sky, America is talking about the myth of  "global warming" and environmentalism.

Liberal-arts and liberalism is a farce.  Encourage your children to major in math or science.  Forget the African-Studies, Native-American-Studies, Women's-Studies, etc etc. 

→ Who really cares

Obama can set the tone any way he wants with this inauguration.

And Alexander has a heavy weight on her shoulders, to boot.

Think about it.  How many women are great poets?

Stevie Nicks?  Laura Nero?  Left Eye?  (Joyce Kilmer :-)

I'm sure they're out there, the question is; did Obama just reward somebody he was once associated with, or did he choose quality?

My suspicion is he just followed the Chicago way.

We'll see

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Stevie Nicks and Laura Nero

Stevie Nicks and Laura Nero are neither poets nor great... Just a couple of so-so popular song writers.  If this is your best conception of a "great woman poet" then you need to go back and finish high school.

marvl

I think you misunderestimated Cool Arrow. I do believe he was being sarcastic.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

→ Amazing marvl

You didn't have a problem with Left Eye?

And, by the way, all three are poets.  Here is the criteria.

You are not a poet until somebody calls you a poet.

Now I'm going way out on a limb and surmise you don't think Don Henley and Bob Dylan are poets.   They're just songwriters, right?

Sorry, I've already called them poets.

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My apologies, Cool

I made the assumption you were tweaking Marvl by using the  word poetry in such a broad sense. However, they all indeed have been referred to as "poets." And in my opinion, they made more sense than Ms. Alexander. And a lot more money. I know Dylan is considered a great poet, but, isn't one extra criteria needed? Don't you need to be able to understand what the he!! they are saying? I always thought he should come with translations.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

→ I don't know butler

To me, poetry is a mish-mash of words that sound good together.

I doubt there's any Poetry Society out there with dibbs on the word "poetry"

Maybe the Supreme Court can give us an "I know it when I hear it" definition.

But I'm just saying I wouldn't contract this woman to read a poem at my Inauguration, but Dylan's welcome.

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Cool

My heart is like a singing bird
Whose nest is in a watered shoot;
My heart is like an apple-tree
Whose boughs are bent with thick-set fruit;
My heart is like a rainbow shell
That paddles in a halcyon sea;
My heart is gladder than all these
Because my love is come to me.

Christina Rosetti

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

a short poem by yrs. truly

Crimson, gold, and green

Enchantment to the eye

Some artist Saint

Has spilt His paint

Across the Western Sky.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

I am in full agreement with

I am in full agreement with you, except for Dylan. Unless we can add his very hot son???? I like his "poetry."

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

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