Just like Bill Maher, "Family Guy" creator Seth MacFarlane is discovering that atheist ridicule of Jesus Christ and Christianity draws nothing but yawns from today’s media elite. If you want an angry media mob, you need merely spit out "Barack Hussein Obama" at a McCain rally and watch the Guardians of Social Taste bring out the torches and pitchforks. But mocking Jesus? Ho hum.
On October 5, Fox’s Sunday night cartoon debuted an episode titled "I Dream of Jesus," a play on "I Dream of Jeannie." Get it? Jesus is a fairy tale, like a genie in a bottle. The title character, Peter Griffin wanders into a record shop, where he finds Jesus Christ minding the store. Jesus lies to Peter, trying to deny who he is, until Peter threatens to urinate on the albums of Christian artist Amy Grant. Jesus comes clear on his identity and explains he came to Earth "just to get away from the family... my dad just quit smoking and he’s a little on edge." What follows is an entire story that chronicles, in rather amazing fashion, how this lying, slacker Jesus is even dumber than Peter, the greatest idiot on animated television today.
Our Guardians of Social Taste would probably shut "Family Guy" down if it featured Peter Griffin as a demented Buddha, or maybe featured a drunken Mohammed, or God forbid – made fun of Barack Hussein Obama. But Seth MacFarlane hasn’t crossed the Anti-Defamation League, or the Council for American-Islamic Relations, or Obama’s "Fight the Smears" web page.
Millions of parents see TV critics of the major media as a sort of early warning system, alerting them to programming that would be unsuitable for children. So where were the TV critics in the face of this ugly anti-Christian bigotry? No one noticed, not the Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, USA Today, Time, Newsweek, or NPR.
These media outlets probably would enjoy how Seth MacFarlane interrupted his story for a political aside. Peter asks Jesus to take him to the White House, where President Bush is proclaiming "The American people may have turned against the war, but I answer to a higher power. I answer to the power of Jesus Christ." Peter jumps in and replies "That’s funny, because I happen to have Jesus Christ right here." Jesus proclaims, "I heard what you were saying. You know nothing of my work. How you ever got to be president of anything is totally amazing." Speaking for the show’s creator, Peter then says, "Boy, wouldn’t it be great if life were like this?"
Peter insists Jesus shouldn’t merely hang out at the record shop unrecognized. "The world needs you, Jesus. It needs you like a guy who can’t get it up needs a distraction." Jesus the Slacker then goes on the Jay Leno show, becomes famous, and lets the fame go to his head.
Soon, Jesus Christ is appearing on the MTV Video Music Awards with the Pussycat Dolls, wearing gold chains and sunglasses like a rapper. He jokes to the MTV crowd about the singing group behind him. "It’s a pleasure to be here with you six interchangeable women. Last time I was down here, I only hung out with one whore."
Then Peter watches the news and hears, "Tonight’s top story: local record shop employee Jesus Christ was found in Mary Kate Olsen’s apartment this morning, face down and unconscious. Police revived and arrested the disoriented Jesus, who was quoted as saying Jews are responsible for all the world’s wars." This is an obvious slap directed at Mel Gibson, creator of "The Passion of The Christ."
Jesus calls Peter to bail him out of jail, where our idiot gets to lecture God the Son: "Jesus Christ, look at you. You had it all – money, fame, eternal life – and you blew it. You let it all go to your head." Jesus says, "I know, Peter. I guess it turns out that I'm just as human as anyone else." He claims, "This world's not ready for me yet, and I'm not ready for it. I don't know. Maybe I'll come down in another thousand years, when I'm more mature."
It’s amazing that this kind of junk is on national television. McFarlane’s script isn’t exactly engaging the Bible narratives. It sounds exactly like the brain droppings of a school-skipping twelve-year-old brat playing by himself in a closet with a plastic action figure. MacFarlane would claim his plot doesn’t demonize Jesus – he merely demystifies him, scrapes off his divinity. The people at Fox Entertainment clearly don’t care one iota about offending the millions of Christians who see Jesus as the central figure in their hopes for eternal salvation. To them, God is just an empty punch line.















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Brent...EXACTLY RIGHT!!!
October 10, 2008 - 21:51 ET by TheSterYou know what the Hollywood Liberal Elite DID make a stink of??? The South Park scene where Spielberg and Lucas "rape" Indiana Jones. Still on DRUDGE:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/10/south-park-vs-l.html
Also:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-south-park-hates-on-indy-4-will-paramount-spielberg-lucas-protest/
The bloggers are OFFENDED that THEIR GODS ( Spielberg and Lucas) were put in a NEGATIVE light!!! Amazing!
I hope you reply Brent!!! I'm honored to respond to you personally..and I love the "Brent vs. Colmes" arguments!!!
Ster.
Here is the youtube link - ADULT THEME CONTENT:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=south+park+indiana+jones&search_type=&aq=0&oq=south+park+indiana
A YouTube link to Episode Brent is Talking About...
October 10, 2008 - 21:57 ET by TheSterThis where Peter finds Jesus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIK3GXdkxL0
Ster.
Ster,
October 10, 2008 - 23:54 ET by RESTLESS 1South Park usually gives it to both sides pretty good. I haven't watched in years, but I do remember them being fairly equal in their offending.
Funny, though, how the left can laugh at the right, but never themselves. They're above reproach, dontcha know.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Just like the Rug Rats (edit) the cartoon
October 11, 2008 - 00:05 ET by general companyI can not stand the voices, just makes me wonder what they would sound like if I stomped on them.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
RL1
October 11, 2008 - 05:17 ET by DoktorFrankenCorrect. South Park did an episode lampooning Family Guy making fun of how their network 'buckled' under the pressure and censored the picture of Mohammad. (Cartman just wanted to have FG taken off the air - permanently - so he feigned disgust with how FG insulted Muslims and Mohammad.) All of the US decided to bury their heads in the sand when the FG episode aired so that they would not incur the wrath of the Muslims. A great episode of SP.
The creators of South Park have stated that they hate the Left more than the Right (Book - page 75) and their shows attest to that. However, my wife is still peeved at the one they did about Gibson and The Passion. Something about Mel's eyes.
South Park....
October 12, 2008 - 00:16 ET by MexNobamais a social satire and Christianity is not spared.
However in various episodes Jesus is depicted as an action hero who saves Santa Claus Muslim Terrorists, a member of the "Super Best Frends" a sort super hero team led by Moses but also including Bhudda, Mohammed, Joesph Smith, and Krishna, and a talk show host who shuns sensationalism for morality.
He constantly suplies spiritual direction to the four boys, and is never depicted as stupid, though sometimes his extreme honesty can come off as naive (such as when he boxes Satan.)
"Family Guy" itself has been a source of satire for South Park because of its weak plot lines. Cartman in particular despises the show and has tried to have it removed from television...
I have to say as a Catholic that I have never been all that offended by anything on South Park, and have laughed at a lot of the Catholic satire.
I find "Family Guy" to be such a poor show that it hasn't really bothered me either.
To quote the always savy Cartman "It's weak dude."
Well, Christianity Asked For It
October 10, 2008 - 22:31 ET by The7SticksThere's really no one to blame here but the culturally conservative Christian community themselves. I'm not passing the buck, I'm just saying that after years of these nutbergers who censored movies between the 1930s and 1950s and burning comic books in the 1950s, they kind of had it coming. (Okay, I'm generalizing. It was the Catholic Church in the United States that did most of the censorship and comic book burnings back then.) Nobody here is burning copies of the Bible, or desecrating the Eucharist (well, I believe neither South Park nor Family Guy have even done that) they are just mocking figures of the Christian faith, particularly Jesus Christ (Who I might add has also been ridiculed, though in different ways, on South Park, so Family Guy isn't alone in the whole satirization of Christianity.)
The point is, the culturally conservative community is going to have to get used to this for a couple more decades until we feel we have fully paid you back. Until then, revenge is a dish best served mockingly, whether it's on South Park, The Simpsons or Family Guy. I'm glad at least that no one is acting like these shows are aimed for children, though. That would be the ultimate insult.
Bull.
October 10, 2008 - 23:29 ET by Mike BrattonIs that really the best response you have?
"We were asking for it?"
So you really think these folks are ruminating about burned comic books and the Hays Office? Sure they are...
Oddly enough, Family Guy used to be funny. It started going south right about the time Seth & Co. wanted to have fun with Stewie's sexual preference.
Nowadays, no one thinks South Park, Family Guy, or The Simpsons are aimed at children. We do, however, know that they're aimed at the immature.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
We do, however, know that they're aimed at the immature.
October 10, 2008 - 23:51 ET by general companyVery good Mike, my 15yr old even said almost those exact words. Maybe that is why he would rather watch Japan cartoons?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Mike,
October 10, 2008 - 23:56 ET by RESTLESS 1You weren't expecting a cogent post from the 7dicks now were you?
Oopsie, must be a typo...nope I got it right.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
*
October 12, 2008 - 16:44 ET by R D Helm*
Here's all I expect around NB.
October 11, 2008 - 00:24 ET by Mike BrattonI expect that people will make intelligent posts.
Obviously, I expect too much sometimes.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Merde
October 11, 2008 - 00:56 ET by stratmanThe 7Sticks believes women that wear short skirts deserve being raped.
They have it coming, right?
Afterall, it's the logical extension of your deep analyis.
You better get used to plenty of mocking until we have fully paid you back.
7Sticks
October 11, 2008 - 05:03 ET by DoktorFrankenAnd, by your logic (?) the woman who gets raped asked for it as well? I am not a Christian but I find that the attacks on Christians have been childish, ignorant, and cowardly. The ''brave'' comedians, pundits, political cartoonists, and authors should try something really daring - like an exposé on Islam or even 0bama. You know, someone who would actually pose a threat to the person attempting to use their freedom of speech. Christians won't chop your head off or use political pressure to shut you down. (Ask Milt Rosenberg on WGN Radio and some folks in Missouri about this.)
All I'm saying is that things are way too one-sided (read or watch any news or entertainment media for examples) and that most of the attacks on Christians are unwarranted and childish.
What kind of special stupid are you?
October 11, 2008 - 15:34 ET by JWFHave you invented a new brand of stupid?
What possible bearing does the action of people 50 to 70 years ago possibly have on the decisions a cartoon show makes. That would be adults 50 to 70 years ago, making them at least 70 to 90 right now or more than likely dead!
And why generalize? Are we the slightest bit interested in your verbal spew? You got a point, make it.
Nobody here burning copies.. Huh? Then why point it out?
The point is... Oh good, we get to wait until the 2nd paragraph of your loopy screed before you actually make a point. Guess what? Too late. No one cares. Bye 7-what does WTH call you again?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Hello Sticks
October 11, 2008 - 15:30 ET by cocodrieI am catholic and grew up in the 40's and 50's. The Catholic church did not crusade for censorship but did everything it could within the church to keep its members out of sin. If you don't know the meaning of the word sin maybe you should look it up. Continue mocking Jesus Christ and someday you will find yourself heading down the river Sticks. But beware it is the river of no returm.
What a hypocrite!
October 12, 2008 - 13:14 ET by CobraMan"they kind of had it coming."
What a hypocrite! "Payback" isn't justice; it's a continuation of injustice. Like the old saying says, Two wrongs never make a right.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Not to worry...it's not a cartoon of Mohhamed.
October 10, 2008 - 22:46 ET by UberconIf you're offended, then you must defend those who also get offended by religious ridicule. The Muslims are easily offended by their prophet being ridiculed. If God were offended by these programs he would not have created them...I guess he has a sense of humor...thank you, God!
Ubercon
Notaconservative
October 10, 2008 - 23:47 ET by RESTLESS 1Actually, I don't have to defend any fake religions. There is only one true religion as taught by the Bible, and Islam ain't it. Neither is Buddhism, Hinduism, or atheism.
Fear not though, God has a strong sense of humor and is not easily offended by those that don't matter, so neither am I.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Religous intolerance is a
October 11, 2008 - 00:15 ET by JesseJacksonIVReligous intolerance is a lot more dangerous than a cartoon poking a little fun at Jesus.
Interesting.
October 11, 2008 - 00:20 ET by Mike BrattonSo which is worse, IV? Religious intolerance, or intolerance of religion?
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Believing "your" is the
October 11, 2008 - 00:33 ET by JesseJacksonIVBelieving "your" is the only true God is very very dangerous.
There are some folks in the moutains of Pakistan who think that way. Any Christain who thinks that way is just as wrong as any radiacal Muslim.
So, you're into syncretism?
October 11, 2008 - 01:19 ET by Mike BrattonNot at all surprising.
Tell me, IV, do you know anything at all about Jesus Christ, or about Christianity? Because there's something your analysis is missing: Every Christian "thinks that way" because that's a fundamental teaching of Christianity. One of the ways we know that Barack "I've got a bracelet, too!!" Hussein Obama is not a Christian is that he has publicly declared that Jesus is not "the only true God".
And comparing Christianity to Islam is one of the weakest responses in the history of debate. Christianity is about a personal, saving relationship with God, while Islam isn't even a religion, but rather a political and governmental system that advocates death for those who resist it.
There's a difference. If you'd like to know more, just let me know.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
MB...
October 11, 2008 - 01:27 ET by TheSter< plays tape of JOY BAYER >
"Christians are worse than the TALI BAN"
< Ster puts Beer through TV>
Ster.
Can you book me on The Skew... er, The View?
October 11, 2008 - 01:39 ET by Mike BrattonI'd love to have a conversation with Joy (and the other misinformed women there) to deal with the amazing lack of understanding with regard to Christianity.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Ster
October 11, 2008 - 01:42 ET by MrShyNo offense, but why would anyone have a tape of Joy Bayer? :p
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Sorry Shy....
October 11, 2008 - 02:02 ET by TheSterFor those of us under 40...
...i did a 'clicky on that there majik video INTERNETS thinige...
Joy Bayer waz likes...
...a talkin' Chia Pet ..makn' them noises like a Kitten in a Microwave...
...didn' know how to stop it...kitty jus' kep turnin'...an'...turnin' ...had ta stan' ther whatch kitty ....turnin...in that there Microwave..wouldn't stop makin noises "TALLLLY BANNNNNNN".
Ster.
Ster...Well for thse of us
October 11, 2008 - 02:09 ET by bigtimerSter...Well for thse of us over 40...why did you just post this?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT...
October 11, 2008 - 02:16 ET by TheSterA play off "tape" and youtube.
In our time...I'd have "Joy Bayer" on BETAMAX...kids under 40 use that "internets". Trust me..."Joy Bayer" would have been a totally different TAPE back then...nuf said.
Ster.
Not enough said for me...I
October 11, 2008 - 02:22 ET by bigtimerNot enough said for me...I don't care to hear about kitttens in a micro from you here.
'nuff said.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT..Relax SPAZ...I got it from a movie!!!
October 11, 2008 - 02:43 ET by TheSterI'm a Cat person...they match my personalty. Dogs are ok too..I'm just not gonna wake up at 6am to walk them.
U ok BT??? I don't like this BAIL OUT at all. I did NOT vote for McC in the primaries....
I WAS PART OF OPERATION CHAOS...AUSTIN CHAPTER.
I helped to keep Hillary in to damage Bambi!!! Fun stuff.
Ster.
Ster
October 11, 2008 - 02:55 ET by MrShyI don't think, honestly, anything matches your personality.
And that's a compliment, btw. :)
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Shy...
October 11, 2008 - 03:01 ET by TheSterU are starting to know me!!!
hehehehe....
Ster.
ps: I just Sh!t in your shoe...stuff cats can do.
Ster
October 11, 2008 - 03:04 ET by MrShyLooks like only one person can call BT "SPAZ" and not feel her wrath... so, indeed, you are special.
:)
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Shy??? Did I just avoid Death??
October 11, 2008 - 04:55 ET by TheSterI must have just used one of my cat's 9 lives....
<buying fresh Salmon>
...kitty looks happy...but not interested in anything that I am doing...ever...
Ster.
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October 11, 2008 - 05:07 ET by DoktorFrankenThis
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October 11, 2008 - 05:34 ET by TheSterwhat
is
your
problem?
Ster.
I'm fine Ster. ...Now
October 11, 2008 - 02:58 ET by bigtimerI'm fine Ster.
...Now you...YOU are questionable.
....IMHO. :-)
Feel safe...it's just one humble opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Faith is a personal
October 11, 2008 - 02:10 ET by JesseJacksonIVFaith is a personal thing. Just because a Hindu, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist believe in something else doesn't make them wrong or their religions fake.
I wonder if Brent watched the episodes of Family Guy that made fun of other religions? Did he write a column when they have done episodes using many Jewish stereotypes? It's like the late Issac Hayes only having a problem with South Park when they made fun of Scientology, ignoring all the humor in the shows history.
It's a cartoon that satires many things, religion, race, politics. At some point it will satire something you believe in. Don't take it so seriously.
Ok...that's IT JJ !!!
October 11, 2008 - 01:21 ET by TheSterI just LOVE this "Tolerance" argument by LIBERALS!!!!
I think Dr. Michael Savage said ... there are 13 global conflicts right now...12 are Muslims not "TOLERATING" their neighbors...ie: people that are NOT Muslim!!!
Before you T-OFF on me JJ...I grew up in SAUDI ARABIA from 1976 to 1991...My parents worked for ARAMCO. I lived in DHAHRAN. I got a point of reference!!! I'm from California...Mom got married to an engineer when I was in 4th grade, and moved to SA.
Don't try to run that "INTOLLERANCE" CRAP ON ME!!!
Do your research and don't be a Hypocrite!!!
Remember when "I'm a Dinner Salad" spoke at Columbia???
The LIBS didn't GIVE A CRAP about Monkey Boy BASHING THE USA...
...BUT they went NUTS when he said "THERE ARE NO GAYS IN IRAN"...
<SHOWS PIC OF GAY HANGING DEAD FROM LIGHT POLE IN IRAN>
"Tolerance"...My @ss.
Ster.
Intolerance of anyones
October 11, 2008 - 02:15 ET by JesseJacksonIVIntolerance of anyones religion is wrong. That's the point I have made.
JJ...ok...but...
October 11, 2008 - 02:28 ET by TheSterYour lack of criticism of the "M" religion...and BASHING of the "C" religion...is disturbing.
This is NOT a slam on you...Seriously...
Do you have a criticism of the "M" religion. Is there fairness to go both ways?? I can tell you personally what Christians had to go through in DHAHRAN just to hold mass in an American compound.
Just give me your thoughts on Tolerance...does it go BOTH ways??
Lets just debate...I'm curious...
BTW - I do not type for CRAP...so typing this much takes me 3 times longer than you...so I need to practice...AND take this as a sign that I'm ready to hear your opinion.
Ster.
How have I bashed
October 11, 2008 - 02:33 ET by JesseJacksonIVHow have I bashed Christianity? It's been pretty clear in my posts that I think intolerance of ANY religion is wrong.
JJIV
October 11, 2008 - 02:42 ET by MrShyWhile you're over here volleying with Cap Man Ster (all in good lovin' jest, Ster! :)) Mike, above, provided you with a very clear distinction of the two opposing definitions of "tolerance", which pretty much ends this discussion, I think:
Christianity is about a personal, saving relationship with God, while Islam isn't even a religion, but rather a political and governmental system that advocates death for those who resist it.
There's a difference. If you'd like to know more, just let me know.
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Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims,
October 11, 2008 - 02:45 ET by JesseJacksonIVHindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews believe something else. Are they wrong or fakes or do they just have different beliefs than you?
Disagreeing with someones beliefs about something is reasonable. But to dismiss them as fake isn't very reasonable.
"But to dismiss them as fake
October 11, 2008 - 02:53 ET by MrShy"But to dismiss them as fake isn't very reasonable."
Yes, but dismissing them as fake is not the same as killing them.
We're trying to get you to understand the nitty-gritty of how Islam is essentially in a very dangerous class all it's own.
No, most Muslims do not go out and kill, but just me saying that sounds absurd and frightening, because we have clearly seen that almost all of those who DO go around blowing things and people up and demanding the death of jews and infidels, well, are of the Muslim faith.
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The small percantage of the
October 11, 2008 - 03:09 ET by JesseJacksonIVThe small percentage of the Muslim faith who want to kill non-Muslims are vile people. But the majority of Muslims who aren't killing people deserve to be treated with repect and not viewed as having a fake religion.
The problems is that there are Christians out there who think their beliefs are right and other peoples are wrong or fake. I'm not talking about the radical Muslim terrorist, but any other religion.
The technical term for your post, IV...
October 11, 2008 - 10:05 ET by Mike Bratton...is "missing the point."
We're not (or, at least I'm not) talking about the difference between "good" Muslims and "vile" Muslims, but rather the difference between the beneficial, well-grounded belief system of Christianity and the diabolical governmental system known as Islam.
Over the years, I've known a number of Muslims who I'm certain wouldn't hurt a fly; that doesn't make their faux religion any more substantive.
Christianity is unique among belief systems in that its foundation is not one of human ascention, but of God's condescention. And by definition, again, all of us Christians know that Christianity is right and everything else is wrong--and ultimately futile. And isn't it interesting that those of us who take Christianity seriously don't riot when our beliefs are attacked? Can you say the same about people who take other, human-constructed belief systems seriously?
If you'd like to know more about what Christianity really is, I'm at your disposal.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
More stupidity.
October 12, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Indiana Joe"Believing "your" is the only true God is very very dangerous."
No, Einstein, that's called "monotheism." As opposed to "polytheism." Get it?
You can't believe in one God if you believe there are other "gods" that are just as valid. If you think your religion is no more true than other religions, then you don't really believe in your religion. You just belong to a social club.
Can you understand that concept? Do you really have to pretend to not understand that just to try to make yourself think you're making some deep point here? Because you're not.
A difference, the difference in this context, is that Muslims would burn down the offices of a company that offended them. Don't argue it, they've done it. They'd kill the perpetrators if they could. Don't argue, they've done it.
On the other hand, Christians just bitch about it. And those who wouldn't dare criticize the Muslims for their response feel free to mock Christians for bitching. Because they're not afraid that the Christians would kill them.
Tell you what, sport. You want to advise people on how they should deal with religion-mocking? Tell it to the Muslims. Hey, if you convince them, you've really accomplished something. Probably saved some lives, even. But if they don't want to hear it, watch your back.
I hear they do a little more than just mock you in return.
The Democrat Party: Creating, Defending and Using Slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation for Over 150 Years... and Counting.
JJIV
October 11, 2008 - 00:28 ET by RESTLESS 1Care to explain how my belief of in one faith makes me "intolerant" of other faiths. I just said I don't have to defend other faiths from offense, and in the same post said I do not take offense from the ridicule of mine. I am stronger than that and so is my God. If the rest are weaker, so be it.
And, I have not, nor would I condone, limitations on anyone's worship. If someone wants to claim the dung beetle as their god, I don't care. I don't believe they are correct, but that does not make me intolerant. Open a dictionary, will you.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
You called them fake
October 11, 2008 - 00:36 ET by JesseJacksonIVYou called them fake religions, that's not exactly being very tolerant. You probably wouldn't be very pleased if a Muslim, Jew or Hindu called Christianity fake.
They are fake religions
October 11, 2008 - 01:31 ET by RESTLESS 1And I'm not going any farther with this as we NB'ers are under strict orders not to discuss the merits of religion.
I don't see you calling out muslims for their intolerance. Intolerance of women, gays, non-muslims. Tolerance does not impart agreement. If you mean I have to accept their beliefs as truth to be considered "tolerant", then again, I suggest you pick up a dictionary and get back to me.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I said it's wrong for a
October 11, 2008 - 02:03 ET by JesseJacksonIVI said it's wrong for a Christian to think "their" God is the true God and I said it's just as wrong if a radical Muslim did it too.
JJIV
October 11, 2008 - 02:11 ET by RESTLESS 1Way to dodge there. The whole concept is apparently above your pay grade.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
How did I dodge anything?
October 11, 2008 - 02:18 ET by JesseJacksonIVHow did I dodge anything? You said I didn't call out Muslims for their intolerance, yet I said it was wrong when they did it too.
Short version, a Christian
October 12, 2008 - 17:27 ET by Indiana JoeShort version, a Christian who doesn't "think 'their' God is the true God" is not a faithful Christian. I mean, don't you understand how this "religion" thing works?
For the long version, see above.
Really, it's not that hard to understand.
The Democrat Party: Creating, Defending and Using Slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation for Over 150 Years... and Counting.
Joe
October 12, 2008 - 17:36 ET by cocodrieThat is extremely hard for a liberal to understand - almost impossible.
Atheism is a religion?!?
October 11, 2008 - 13:27 ET by UberconRestless1,
You're considered an infidel by Islamic standards. Your considered a gentile according to Judaism. Your considered delusional by atheists. The list continues... To claim your God is better than someone else's God, to claim your (insert religion) book is far superior to someone else's (insert religion) book shows an ignorance and intolerance for other's delusional state. As for atheism...
Atheism, by definition, is the absence of theism. If you cannot
say "I believe in a Deity/God/Supreme Being" then you are
an atheist. If you are not a theist, then you are
an atheist.
I hope that helps...Believe what you want to believe just realize others have the same strong views about you and your religion. Calling other religions fake religions according to your belief system somehow justifies your position and denigrates theirs? Please save the hate for your own judgment day...
God is listening.
Ubercon
Geez!!! You trolls are dense.
October 11, 2008 - 20:42 ET by RESTLESS 1The WHOLE POINT is that, yes, they believe and behave how they want toward Christians, and yet is see none beheading innocent people on the internet, blowing up buildings, sending suicide bombers... That comes from a deeper resolve from me in my faith, than they have in theirs. Why do you suppose that is?
As for atheisme yes it could, by definition, be considered a religion. While most be people do indeed infer a belief in a god from the word religion, a devout disbelief in a god would qualify as well.
I swear, you trolls really need to take my advice and open a dictionary. Start with the first word, and work your way through.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Yes, actually, atheism is a religion.
October 11, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Mike BrattonEveryone believes in something--everyone invests their faith someplace.
Atheism is just narcissism with a better haircut; atheism's "supreme being" resides in the atheist's mirror.
The matter at hand, Con, is one of objective truth, rather than subjective opinion. It is about the questions of life, and where to find the answers. Buddhism has no answers. Islam has no answers. Atheism has no answers.
In the words of the song, "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong." But is everybody wrong?
No.
Christianity is different, unique, and objectively right.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Athiests have faith that
October 11, 2008 - 22:14 ET by celatorAtheists have faith that there is no God. Ironic, no?
Mike,
October 11, 2008 - 22:26 ET by RESTLESS 1Are you as tired as I am of explaining these things to dingbats?
Just wondering.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Sometimes it gets fatiguing, yes.
October 13, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Mike BrattonBut there's always the possibility that it may be the first time someone's heard the response you give.
You never know. So, that keeps me plugging along.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Incorrect, wrong, and mistaken.
October 12, 2008 - 12:46 ET by UberconMikeB...RT1...et al,
A few questions and thoughts for you to ponder...
There is a big difference between positively believing that
a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence.
In many cases, atheists will say "That God does not exist",
not because they choose to do so, but because, from the description
of the God, it cannot exist due to contradictory attributes.
In the same way that a square circle cannot (and therefore does not)
exist, a God defined as (for example) all-knowing, yet cannot see into
the future, cannot and does not exist because the definition is self-contradictory.
If you describe your God with self-contradicting attributes which make
it logically impossible, then we may safely say that such a thing does
not exist as described. This is not faith - this is reason.
If someone asked you about unicorns, would you say "I believe
there are no unicorns", or would it be more honest to say "I
do not believe in unicorns"? These are two different answers. Nobody
disbelieves in unicorns purely as a matter of personal faith.
Again, apply the same reasoning to the Gods of other religions.
Example : if you are a Christian, do you believe the Hindu God
Ganesh does not exist? Or do you not believe in Ganesh?
If you believe that unicorns do not exist, then may we say that
you are a member of the "No unicorns" religion? Is it a matter
of faith that unicorns do not exist? Can we come along to your non-unicorn
church with you tomorrow?
If you are a Christian, do you believe Ganesh does not exist?
Why, then you must be a devout follower of the "No Ganesh"
faith!
Do you see where this is going?
If someone is not believing in your God is a faith, then you not believing
in other Gods is an equal faith. How many Christians do you know who
would say they do not believe in other Gods as a matter of faith?
If atheism with respect to your deity is a religion, then
your atheism with respect to other deities is also a religion.
How does atheism differ from religion and faith?
No belief in...God, prayers, church, temples, holy books, scripture, priests, religious authorities/ leaders, the supernatural which include angels and devils, miracles, afterlife, holy wars, heaven/hell, lifestyle restrictions(dress, diet, marriage, etc.), supernatural origins of the universe and/or humans, the soul, murderous fundamentalist extremists, street preachers, regular ceremonies/acts of worship, sin, blasphemy, we are God's chosen people...etc.
What don't you get?
I don't need saving nor would I espouse any such thing on anyone.
As for you being a Christian...shouldn't you practice quietly and in the privacy of your own closet without anyone ever knowing since it is written in the Bible? It's supposedly between you and your God...that's it. No need for you to judge others...
Ubercon
cherry picking ube and you
October 12, 2008 - 13:02 ET bycherry picking ube and you know it-------
1) iff no 'god' is logically consistant
2) go to all the world..........
both of your assertions only tell half the tale
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Now, now...
October 12, 2008 - 13:13 ET by Uberconbotg,
Why is it so hard to comprehend? Proof is all you need.
No proof...poof!
Let's start with Unicorns first... Do you believe in them?
Ubercon
ube
October 12, 2008 - 13:53 ET bydo you misunderstand --- iff is not a typo? i comprehend your point just fine thanks --- not my day to teach you, figure out the inconsistancy in your assertions yourself, you wouldn't believe me anyway.
do you believe in quarks and mesons?? Not all proof is direct.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Deflection...sweet!
October 12, 2008 - 14:05 ET by Uberconbotg,
Tough times, huh? "Inconsistency" in my assertions...How about explaining your position on my assertions? It seems to have hit a nerve...shall we call it Sunday School. I made the statements...time for you to knock 'em down if you can. I would love to answer your questions on quarks and mesons, once we establish your position on supernatural phenomena...or is it too hard for mere mortals to think of and comprehend the unknown?
Ubercon
no deflection ube
October 12, 2008 - 14:24 ET byyou're just not that special. just not bothering with you today, come back after you've done your homework and completed your assertions. Your only telling half the story and should know that.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
botg, It seems you're
October 12, 2008 - 14:34 ET by Uberconbotg,
It seems you're willing to talk, but not to listen, to instigate, but not respond, are you offering possible prolegomena, and still no evidence of things not seen. My homework? When was it assigned by you? botg, you're unwillingness and unreasonable manner only shows a lack of understanding on your part. Please save the drama. Thanks for your trolling.
Ubercon
surely ube is the man and
October 12, 2008 - 14:42 ET bysurely ube is the man and wisdom will die with him
i've given you enuf to go on, it's your choice whether or not to pursue or stay agnostic (or ignorant it's the same root)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Free will...thanks, botg!
October 12, 2008 - 14:55 ET by Uberconbotg,
Am I damned to hell, botg, for not believing in you? Thanks for granting me "free will" and I thought God was the only one.
<hands clapping>
Wonderful, absolute wonderful lines of thoughtful answers to my questions...
Unicorns? Do you believe in them or not? It was a simple question.
We all die, botg. I'd like to say you're a man, yet, by granting me "free will" I must now regard you as a God. Yet, when I question the existence I get attacked for my question? Hmmm...not a very nice God I would want to believe.
Ubercon
uh, ube
October 12, 2008 - 14:59 ET byi think you put the wrong mushrooms on your pizza
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Some cultures believe that's the only way to see God!
October 12, 2008 - 15:08 ET by Uberconbotg,
No wonder religious types hate the altered states of reality by way of drugs! We should all be able to see God without any drugs...alcohol is okay, though! Just words and the euphoria of the spirit taking over our bodies and souls! Can I get an "Amen!"? Lay your hands on me so I can be like Sarah Palin and receive the spirit of the Lord! (It all looks a little ridiculous when you type it out...yet, people believe! WOW!)
God created mushrooms for our enjoyment, correct?
Ubercon
Uberkah
October 12, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Cool ArrowGod also created Hemlock and Asbestos. For your enjoyment.
Hemlock...Socrates...the questions.