Bozell Column: 'Weeds' and Marijuana Chic

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The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy reported last month that a teenager who has been depressed in the past year was more than twice as likely to have used marijuana than teenagers who have not reported being depressed (25 percent compared with 12 percent). The study said marijuana use increased the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent. So much for the "harmless" nature of pot.

There are more worrisome statistics still. The 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that among Americans age 12 and older there were 14.8 million current users of marijuana and 4.2 million Americans classified with dependency or abuse of marijuana. Addiction is a real threat. Another 2006 report found 16.1 percent of drug treatment admissions were for marijuana as the primary drug of abuse. This compares to six percent in 1992.

There surely are multiple reasons to explain the increasing use of this drug. But one reason for the trend is surely its glamorization by Hollywood, which thinks marijuana is a fun-and-games subject.

"Access Hollywood" has breathlessly promoted a new movie called "The Wackness," set in 1994 New York. A young man sells marijuana out of an Italian-ice cart. He starts seeing a therapist, asking him for guidance on dating a young woman. He pays for the therapy sessions with pot.

If the plot seems tiresome, it’s the casting that’s truly saddening. The young pot-dealer is played by Josh Peck, who just months ago was delighting hundreds of thousands of small children as a rubber-faced jokester on Nickelodeon’s teen comedy "Drake and Josh." One of his regular pothead customers is played by Mary-Kate Olsen, half of the famous twins who played the baby sister on the family sitcom "Full House."

Child stars too often go looking for a part to "stretch their range," but that’s code for scraping off any odor of a goody-goody reputation. These actors are doing it by glorifying marijuana.

Drug-dealer chic really began with "Weeds," the Showtime pay-cable series starring Mary-Louise Parker as widowed suburban mother/pot dealer Nancy Botwin. The fourth season recently premiered to the delight of TV critics, who love the show’s exposure of suburban hypocrisy. Showtime publicists wrote, with noticeable pride: "Last season, viewers saw Nancy venture from hesitant but determined toe-dipper in the unpredictable waters of drug dealing to confident, full-fledged queen-pin entrepreneur."

They’re proud of the drug-dealing mom as she gains confidence in her "queen-pin" criminality?

The show’s primary hypocrite is the boozy anti-drug crusader Celia Hodes, played by Elizabeth Perkins, who told TV Guide that her character "discovers drugs this year...and she’s like a kid in a candy shop." Perkins is delighted by the bad behavior on the show. "There's just something delicious about watching people misbehave without any sense of conscience."

This is a classic Hollywood outburst. These people love misbehavior, wallow in it, and suggest anyone who would dare take a stand that appears morally upright is undoubtedly just a repressed fraud. It carries an Orwellian echo: Honesty is found in corruption, and moral fervor is a sickness that needs to be vanquished. Morality is immoral.

Perkins displayed more of her debased philosophy on CBS’s "The Early Show" on July 2 in a cozy showcase of CBS-Showtime corporate-cousin synergy. She described her moralizing character as fun to play because she’s "really screwed up and evil." She’s an unstable hypocrite in a bad marriage who’s "going to take it out on whoever happens to be standing in her way."

CBS anchor Julie Chen asked Perkins if she supports legalizing marijuana in real life. "Oh yeah, absolutely." she answered. "Alcohol is legal. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why marijuana's not."

Chen asked what her character would say in response. Perkins replied: "Oh, put them all in jail." Chen laughed and agreed. "She’s so self-righteous." Perkins then added, "Well, Celia’s probably the only character on the show who's never smoked marijuana...Never cave with marijuana, because that’s the ‘evil drug’ -- according to her." Chen guffawed along, in mockery of the anti-drug position.

Teenagers will go see the movie with the Nickelodeon star selling pot, and teenagers are in the audience when Showtime is displaying its affection for "Weeds." Hollywood is not merely mocking people who moralize against marijuana, they're actively encouraging young people to explore the "edgy" life of illegal drugs they see on screen. But Hollywood will not be around for comfort or counseling when teenagers have to go to detox, or see psychologists for depression or other mental problems.

They ought to look in the mirror and wonder if they’re the self-righteous people who are really screwed up and pushing evil.

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→ Again with the weed

Another reason to vote against Obama.

I don't want weed in my family.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

If you don't want weed in

If you don't want weed in your family, it's your responsibility to make sure it doesn't get there...not the government's.

Deceptive Statistic

Brent Bozell writes: "[Marijuana] addiction is a real threat. Another 2006 report found 16.1 percent of drug treatment admissions were for marijuana as the primary drug of abuse. This compares to six percent in 1992."

It's important to note that in 2008 "drug treatment" has become a "no jail time" surrogate for law enforcement.

Many, many of the people in drug treatment for marijuana are first time offenders, and many more have "pleaded down" after being arrested for minor crimes plus possession of marijuana. 

No doubt some small percentage are marijuana addicts.

But common sense should rule here.

Tour any Detox unit in the country.

Are 16% of the inmates begging for marijuana?

Of course not.

They beg for alcohol, cocaine, amphetamines, and opiates. 

Legalize murder, theft, smoking on airplanes...

If you don't want (insert illegal behavior here) in your family, it's your responsibility to make sure it doesn't get there...not the government's.

No laws, no attorneys - sounds good to me:)!

→ Soking on airplanes

Legalize smoking on airplnes?

Truth, is there no end to the decadance and depravity?

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it would be

it would be like.....caligula

   Liberals think I

   Liberals think I should have the right to use marijuana but they want to ban cheeseburgers.

Just plain crazy

That is just incongruous. Just what is the person to do once they get the munchies.

refer madness redux

 

If you want to take on an evil drug, why not go after booze? Oh, that's right, your ilk already tried that one. When you can can show one case of mary-jane overdose you might have a better hope of scarring people, but the fact is more people die each year from caffeine than pot. I thought we moved on from this mind set where the goverment nags control every aspect of one's life. Not so with the war loving neocons. God bless them in their quest for total control. This bowl's for you!

Aching for rot

  Not so with the war loving neocons  Bigoted, much?

Sorry, vonu.  I know you love the idea of a rotting America that is going absolutely nowhere, much like the Netherlands.  But I like the idea of a United States that actually progresses, invents, innovates, and constantly contributes to world civilization. 

I like a much less intrusive government, but I also understand there are some public health issues that simply cannot be ignored.  I also know that all societies have these pesky things called "standards".  Shoot me.  Hang me from the nearest tree.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

The key is correctly determinng value before it becomes obvious

No, I'm not bigoted, nor would I shoot or hang or use vilolence against another simply because they hold "standards" of which you might be refering to the Federal Reserve System. Since 1913 and the creation of the Fed the dollar has lost 95% of its value. I have written previously here that the Fed needs to devalue another 95% to pay the 75 trillion in unfunded future debt.

Neocons depend on war to expand their power. It is not s stretch to call this a love of war.

I believe in the greatness of man, that the leeches will be overcome in the end. I am working toward that end.

If one takes care of the means, the ends take care of themselves.

Vonu

→ Right vonu

And we're gonna pay off the debt with increased potato chip sales.

Brilliant!

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

when pot heads attack...

dare not come between a lib and his/her/its weed...

they will ferociously protect their young...

→ Denver Dem Smoke Off

(and Presidential convention)

No wonder they chose Colorado.

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tm

...or an insurgent and their innoccent victims

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

→ ™

Or Libs and their self-loathing.

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Looks like you need another dose

Of this 'toon. Obviously, the Creator of All Things created a mistake in this case. And going from $75 million to $2.4 BILLION(!) is another wonderful victory for "smaller government," like various Nixonian Republicans keep promising over the decades. I keep learning all these fascinating new things about principled, unpolitical religion from you folks...Thanks!!
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

where to even start why

where to even start

why even bother:)

Start with the blatant hypocrisy

And go on to the busted budget, just like I linked... Seeing your explanation of how God makes mistakes & politicians don't should be especially educational, or interesting, or maybe just amusing for the rest of us, so I can assure you that it's worth your time to address this issue even if you resent the fact that my Russmo cartoon is a direct-hit.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Interesting cartoon. I

Interesting cartoon. I guess I miss the point...

My sister was released from the hospital today. Cancer, well, Leukemia. Blood Cancer.

Luckily for all of us, but especially her, she's in remission. While she was there, she received the best care one could imagine. Some of that care was by frequent visitation of friends that worked in the hospital.

One is an RN. Many years in this particular hospital as such, prior experience in the military. Another is a cardiologist. My sister's pain got so bad, they both started joking about a certain drug available at the hospital. One of them, the RN, had administered it one time. The pharmacist joked with her about it.

It was a canabanoid. Same effects as smoking the pot, minus the potential side effects that comes with smoking...well... anything really. If these cancer patients wish to ease their pain with marijuana, there are legal, federally-authorized and legal, ways to do so.

To sidestep a law you feel is inappropriate is ridiculous. Change the law. If you can't change the law, change the lawmakers. It's the American Way.

Side-note. In the past month, I and my family have gotten quite an education. For those of you that can, search out your local blood banks. One of the side-effects of Chemo is that it kills your blood. Every part of your blood. Including platelets. Platelet donation takes longer than blood donation, and the platelets last for a much much shorter time period (5 days from donation, minus the 2 days of infectious disease testing gives three usable days) than whole-blood. For a major cancer-institute, in a major U.S. city to run out of platelets is depressing. Especially when it's your sister.

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

The point of the cartoon is politically incorrect but simple.

Put bluntly: "The Creator of All Things doesn't create mistakes." And obviously, some Christians like to think for themselves.

There's also a fiscal point that's being studiously-ignored here. And going from $75 million to $2.4 BILLION(!) is what's called "ABJECT FAILURE" by folks like me. Even the "war on poverty" doesn't suck that much, and we all know it sucks tremendously. Democrats and Republicans need to admit the mistake, but they haven't, so I admit it for you.
JMR

PS I find it amusing that your sister's experience, like others', totally contradicts PopTech's list-o-links "proof" regarding analgesic effects of cannabis. In other new-study health news, apparently we should all be popping hallucinogenic mushrooms.

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

dmntd... You made

dmntd...

You made excellent points here of others to be aware of.

I wish your sister well, and the best for all of you.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

what??

What does money have to do with this? Now you're just randomly bouncing around to complain about everything you dislike.

Neocons depend on war to expand their power.

No sweetie, we depend on war to protect us from external threats that cannot be reasoned with. If we used it to expand our power we would have colonies all over the world.

I believe in the greatness of man, that the leeches will be overcome in the end.

Really? 21 centuries hasn't been long enough. Exactly when do you suppose that will happen?

If one takes care of the means, the ends take care of themselves.

Ah yes, the ends justify the means....except when it comes to war and illegal drugs.

The search for utopia

 Since 1913 and the creation of the Fed the dollar has lost 95% of its value. I have written previously here that the Fed needs to devalue another 95% to pay the 75 trillion in unfunded future debt.  You are going to war with reality.  Currency fluctuates in value.  6000 years of human civilization is stacked against you.  Currency is a medium of exchange, nothing more, nothing less.  Stop being lazy and SAVE and INVEST your money, instead of hoping and praying your currency will never ever fluctuate in value. 

Besides, as another poster pointed out, the dollar in 2008 can by a whole hell of a LOT more than a dollar in 1913, something I suppose is lost on you.

But that's a good way to change a subject, isn't it?

By "standards" I mean "standards" like a society proscribing the ability of people to poison themselves.  Whine all you want about alcohol but there are many areas in TX where you can't buy it to this day.  Prohibition, in more than one respect, is alive and well.

 Neocons depend on war to expand their power. It is not s stretch to call this a love of war.  Again, bigoted much? 

I believe in the greatness of man, that the leeches will be overcome in the end. I am working toward that end.  Who are the "leeches"?

If one takes care of the means, the ends take care of themselves.   Huh???

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Voluntaryist masthead

 

Sorry, I miss quoted the Voluntaryist masthead. Should have read:

"If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself."

That makes more sense.

At 2 per cent inflation one's savings will be cut in half in 25 years.

Right now inflation reported by the gov. is over 4 per cent. Interest rates are at or near that. Some believe the gov under reports inflation, if they are right about that, then savers are earning a negative return. Inflation is raping the saver and you call me lazy.

You are correct in that we have had money for 6000 years and I will add that because of money great progress was made that could not be achieved by a barter society. But they were not using Federal Reserve Notes 6000 years ago and they won't be using said Notes 6000 years hence.

 the dollar in 2008 can by a whole hell of a LOT more than a dollar in 1913,

Lets see. Today I will BBQ a nice piece of meat, something called a beef loin top serloin roast boneless. At 1.88 lbs and 7.29USD per pound this guy set me back 13.71.

Now I'm not sure about the year but Henry Ford back in the day, paid his workers 5 dollars a day, a rate that was unheard of at the time for factory work. But today, that highly paid worker would have to work almost 3 days to pay for my roast. That tells me the Ford worker's dollar was worth much more than ours today.

But what if this worker was paid in silver dollars? Today's silver dollars, the Silver Eagles, are sold for about 23USD today. That would be a pay rate of 115USD per day today. At that pay, the roast is earned in less than one hour.

In the 1950's a single wage earner could support a family on one income. Don't see that too often today. In fact I wonder if anyone has any money today. It seems money has been replaced by debt. People today have credit, but no money. HD Thoureau makes it pretty clear whose clutches that put you in, and you won't have to read much into Walden Pond to find it. We are coming to the end of a very long credit cycle. Find some of that money they had centuries ago and hoard it. And when the darkness lifts, you and others like you will provide the capital to rebuild the world in your likeness, with your values.

Econ - a lost art

I've often said that classes in economics should start right after a student learns basic math and courses should be mandated as often as Math, English/Literature and any Science. Thank you for helping to prove my point.

Money always fluctuates in value, as everything does

 

You are correct in that we have had money for 6000 years and I will add that because of money great progress was made that could not be achieved by a barter society. But they were not using Federal Reserve Notes 6000 years ago and they won't be using said Notes 6000 years hence.  I know you have an extreme, passionate, intense hatred of ICBs here, but bear with me.  With or without a Federal Reserve, MONEY FLUCTUATES IN VALUE.  Money always HAS fluctuated in value.  This is reality and you simply have to accept it.  Money is a medium of exchange, and is not nor ever intended to be a store of value.  You want a store of value?  Instead of endlessly pouting about the Federal Reserve, get off your ass and open a savings account, or invest some of your cash elsewhere.

The rest of your post is nothing but a whine for the absolute impossible: money ALWAYS fluctuates in value.  The end.  And you may think the days of the introduction of the assembly line were great, but I don't.  Now, unlike then, I have the option of buying airline tickets to remote destinations, computers, and all sorts of things that belonged in the science fiction realm back then. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I do not get pay tv

I do not get pay tv channels, does this show  depict the Marjijuana users accurately - that being 28 year olds hiding in their mom's basement eating doritos's and yelling up the stairs "Really, mom, I will look for a job tomorrow...."?

Much like the typical

Much like the typical beer-drinker is a blue-collar out-of-work loser who steals his kid's paper rout money to get blitzed on PBR down at the pub with his equally fat and pathetic pals before going home to punch his wife?

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

Jeeze Jason - you really are obsessed

With the "Red State" view of conservatives. You should really stop watching those videos. You make these kind of comments all the time. Do you think there are no liberals who drink beer and beat their wives?

I'm sure that if anything liberals also drink more alcohol than conservatives (after adjusting for differences in sexes).

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Chill the hell out Dee, I

Chill the hell out Dee, I was being 100% sarcastic. Look at BD's post to which I am responding. I was creating an equally absurd caricature.

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

FOrtunately, my depiction

FOrtunately, my depiction of Marijuana users is accurate.

What is the percentage of unemployment of daily users of marijuana________?  NOw compare that tot he unemployment rate of daily beer drinkers_______?

How many fortune 500 execs do you think smoke marijuana daily?  How many do you think have a glass of wine?

How many of the Joint Chief of staff go home at the end of the day and roll a fat one compared to how many have a Heineken?

How many surgeons spark up in th evening compared to the user of chablis?

How many  particle physics scientists do a dube compared to having a martini?

Get to reality immediately.... it will help you in the long run.

I have no statistics on the

I have no statistics on the matter, and I am sure you don't either. However, isn't it quite likely that the matter of legality is the reason behind this? A politician or CEO drinking a Heineken or glass of wine is commonplace; the same person smoking pot would be a scandal.

Millions and millions of Americans smoke pot semi-regularly and it's a pricey habit. You might be correct that more chronic stoners than alcoholics are unemployed, but I bet you'd be amazed at how many professionals and otherwise put-together people that you interact with smoke up now and then. I'm certainly not mocking drinkers, since I love beer and wine (and occasionally whisky) and do not smoke pot. I just wanted to construct a stereotype as outrageously reductive as your own. At least you understood what I was doing, unlike Dee who just hit the roof over it.

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

You are the one hitting the roof over it Jason

I'm telling you that I don't appreciate your constant "red state" stero types. This isn't the only place you have done it. I'm not hitting the roof, I'm telling you my opinion.

The point is that BD's stero type is much more realistic than yours.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

It's a stereotype of a

It's a stereotype of a drunkard. I made no allusion to "red" states; you're reading that into it. That's your inference, not mine, and if conservatism is the first thing YOU think of when you think about alcoholism and wife-beating, well, I don't see why that's my problem.

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

It's only because of your past statements Jason

And the fact that you love that Red State. It's not the first thing I think of at all - only when it comes from you or someone like you.

I see a Dem Union guy with that picture just as I do with the Red State vids. They put the Dem Union guy stereo type on conservatives and it's way off the mark.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Funny, Dee, I don't believe

Funny, Dee, I don't believe I've ever made a statement about "Red State" people being drunkards. As for that show you know I like, I appreciate it as a satire of liberal stereotyping of southerners and rural people. Yup, could just as easily be a union man, it's true. Yet, your mind went straight to RedStater even though I didn't and never have equated the two. Weird.

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

No it's not wierd Jason because the Redstater

That they portray in those vids is really a Union Democrat. That's the point. It's not an accurate depiction of a Conservative! Duh!

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

I'd bet the usage rate

I'd bet the usage rate among particle physics scientists is significantly higher than the other groups mentioned, and as a result we have String Theory. Beyond that, no clue...

 

 

There's a fair number of

There's a fair number of particle physicists here in Berkeley.  That's all I'm gonna say...

ah well Jason

I got the sarcastic analogy you were trying to make.

Sadly though, most people who smoke pot really do act worse for the wear.

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JasonC: Just saying that

JasonC:

Just saying that every person I have met who smokes Marijuana is a loser. 

Been my experience and I see no signs of it changing. 

Right BD

I can't say every person, but the vast majority are, unlike beer drinkers who only a minority seem to be losers.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Gotta say that EVERY Person

Gotta say that EVERY Person I know who is a regular user is a loser. 

THis includes two trust fund kids I know who have never had jobs, simply live off the interest from their funds and only leave the house to gather more weed.  THey are 50 years old and their lives revolve solely around their preoccupation, not their children who have been farmed out..

Shameful.

Every person I know who is a

Every person I know who is a regular user is gainfully employed and has been so since they graduated from college.

The losers I know are gainfully employed also

unemployment isn't the only factor that makes someone a loser and you can be unemployed and not be a loser.

People who are still smoking pot with any regularity after they have children are generally not very responsible.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Hmm, so now that BD's

Hmm, so now that BD's stereotype has been squashed, we'll make it about parents who smoke pot. Keep movin' those rhetorical goalposts. As long as children are sheltered and hidden from anything that anyone, anywhere, might regard as damaging or corrupting, THEN we'll be a stronger society.

Yup, anything that might potentially make someone a less responsible parent should just be flat-out illegal.

Il y a la merde quel remort produit quand il a mange trop stupidite.

 

I'm afraid I have to agree with JasonC

I almost never agree with JasonC, but this is one issue that I agree with him on.

 BD-you say "every person I've met who smokes pot is a loser".  But what you don't realize is you've met lots of people who smoke pot who AREN'T losers.  You don't realize they smoke pot because they get up, work, raise families, and do everything else that non-pot-smokers do.

We (as conservatives) don't blame guns for gun violence.  We blame the people who use guns illegally.  So why do you blame the inanimate object called "pot" for some people making bad decisions?  Be consistant-some people will be able to use pot responsibly and others will not. 

But don't ban it from everybody based on the argument that "some people will not use it correctly/some people will be harmed".

 That's a LIBERAL argument-that the government must protect us from ourselves.

 And that I cannot support-from anybody.

ironchef,

That's a LIBERAL argument-that the government must protect us from ourselves.

I think you nailed it with that one. :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Thanks RD.  I see the

Thanks RD. 

I see the pros and cons on both sides of this issue.  But I trust myself more than the government to decide what is best for me.

It just makes me wonder why so many conservatives do not (on THIS issue at least).

 

ironchef - it appears you fell for Jasons diversions

because I already told him in another post (that he responded to before this one below) that I wasn't against legalizing it and now he acts as if that is part of my argument. It's not.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Oh, me and my deceitfully

Oh, me and my deceitfully duplicitious diversions.

Doesn't change the fact that BD's caricature of a stoner is an inaccurate and juvenile stereotype. As a person who works in the military, perhaps he just isn't around pot smokers that much (since I assume that military people are likely to be drug-tested and to be in a world of sh*t if they test positive), but they can be as productive as anybody else. The figure of the aimless, lazy stoner who lives in his mom's basement and has zero ambition is the exception, not the norm, at least in my experience - anecdotal evidence seems to be the only way to discuss this around here - and I have met many many stoners in my day.

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

Doesn't change the fact

Doesn't change the fact that BD's caricature of a stoner is an inaccurate and juvenile stereotype.

It is not what I have witnessed, you might not like what I have observed, or it might cut too close to home, but from my perspective it is accurate.

perhaps he just isn't around pot smokers that much (since I assume that military people are likely to be drug-tested and to be in a world of sh*t if they test positive),

I am not around many potsmokers now, by choice. 

 And being in the military coincides with this choice.   I must say, that being in and around the military since 1981 the military has only BENEFITTED from getting rid of the chaff that was the potheads we had in the 1973-84 timeframe.

 

Let me take this

Let me take this opportunity to point out that I certainly think organizations like the military should have every right to drug test if they choose to. In the military, there are obvious reasons to exclude recreational drug users. Ditto professions like haz-mat transportation or police. Companies like Wal-Mart that drug test their cashiers, I think, are trying more to exclude a certain kind of person more than they are really concerned about the effect smoking pot will have on the employee's performance. Of course, a major point would be whether the employee comes to work stoned or simply gets high after work. Either way, he/she would fail a drug test.

I still maintain that your 'typical pothead' figure of an unemployed parental-basement-dweller is completely off-base. It has as much legitimacy as my drunkard stereotype.

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

Companies like Wal-Mart

Companies like Wal-Mart that drug test their cashiers, I think, are trying more to exclude a certain kind of person more than they are really concerned about the effect smoking pot will have on the employee's performance.

Yeah, those certain types of people are called "Losers."

There you go again with

There you go again with your ridiculous stereotypes. How do you not get it that saying "anyone who smokes pot is a loser" makes as much sense as saying "anyone who drinks chianti with dinner is a wino"?

In my early twenties I smoked a great deal of pot - roughly 1/4 oz. a week, for those of you who know how much that is - and I can assure you of three things:

1. I never had problems with the law.

2. I worked 60 hours/week and made a lot of money for myself and my employer (who was cool enough not to demand drug tests and who left his employees alone about such things as long as it didn't affect their work.

3. I quit completely, of my own accord, around age 24.

As I said, I think businesses should be allowed to conduct tests if they wish. But I do not think I am far off in saying it is to avoid hiring a certain stereotype of person. If a person's pot use affects their performance, they should be fired because of that performance. I know a couple of pot heads that I would love to have work for me, because notwithstanding what they do on their own time, they are talented, hard-working, and dependable.

And that is part of the problem with drug-testing.  It doesn't matter if you occasionally smoke a joint to relax after work or get high behind the building every two hours.  The test will nab you either way - it doesn't discriminate between on and off the job use.  So again, why not just fire people who mess up at work, rather than trying to guess who will mess up based on their drug use and dictating what people can or can't do off the clock? 

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

In my early twenties I smoked a great deal of pot


In my early twenties I smoked a great deal of pot

I gotta tell ya, I'm shocked to hear that! /Sarcasm Off

And yet, I was a productive

And yet, I was a productive citizen and decided for myself when it was time to quit. Now, like any person who kicks a bad habit, I do look at pot-smokers now with a bit of contempt - something along the lines of "Hmmph, I'm so over that" - but that doesn't make me feel differently about the wrongheadedness of prohibition. 

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

1.)  Ar eyou more

1.)  Ar eyou more productive NOW than you were THEN?

2.)  If not why did you quit?

EVERY person I have met who was a pothead was a loser.  SOrry, you might not have thought you were, but sadly most alcoholics and Heroin addicts think they are on the ball as well.

You can look backward with all the rose colored galsses you want.  You were undoubtedly still a L-O-S-E-R.

1. About the same. Popular

1. About the same. Popular misconceptions aside, being stoned can be kinda motivating for some things, in the right frame of mind.

2. I realized I no longer enjoyed it, so why spend money on it?

[final paragraph]. If you say so. And I'll just assume you're a lush what with all that chianti.

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

You are free to think of me

You are free to think of me what you will.

Well I for one BD am glad you are not a pot head

I can't imagine a pot head doing as good a job as you do fighting for this country.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

are you kidding me Jason?

 Companies like Wal-Mart that drug test their cashiers, I think, are trying more to exclude a certain kind of person more than they are really concerned about the effect smoking pot will have on the employee's performance

This has to be a joke. Do you *work* with a lot of people who routinely smoke pot? I do and I see every day that you can tell the difference in their job performance.

Some of the people at work come in smelling like stale smoke, not paying attention, making a lot of mistakes, etc. Wait until you own your own business and one man comes in high and drives a fork lift into his buddy. Your workers' comp insurance would require you to ban pot users from there on out. It doesn't have anything to do with being snobby.

 

Candance, see my response

Candance, see my response to BD above.

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

Jason - I called it a diversion - you added deceitful and

duplicitious. If you want to admit that, I won't argue but I wouldn't have gone that far myself.

My point is that you ignore my arguments and can't even see that even though I have some similar beliefs about everyday pot smokers as BD, my argument is completely different from his. My argument (below) dealt with your hypocricy argument and I understand why you don't want to address it.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

What was my "hypocricy

What was my "hypocricy argument" [sic], again?

"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."

It's down near the end of the thread Jason

You never responded. Don't worry about it, I'm bored with this topic now anyway.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

ironchef, I think people who consume alcohol yet condemn pot...

...are being a little hypocritical. Actually, they are being a lot hypocritical.

We tried outlawing alcohol in this country once and got organized crime, and a lot of dead innocent Americans, for our troubles.

We are seeing the exact same result with the "War on Drugs," yet no one seems to be the least bit concerned.

To me, this entire issue boils down to true freedom. The fact that some people are using the force of government to prevent others from doing anything that is not a threat to the life, liberty, or property of others, is in total confict my my concept of liberty.

Sad so many conservatives are oblivious to that simple, yet profound concept.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Well said.

Well said.

Exactly RD

This goes against conservative values and more for the moral police values.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Huh???

Who is a Leftist to tell conservatives what goes against conservative values? 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Who is a Conservative to

Who is a Conservative to tell a Leftist what not to consume?

"Contradictions collapse" ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist. Expect a very-angry response which might be unintentionally hilarious, especially if you're not paying taxes in the USA to finance this weird prohibitionist religion. Taxpayers like me keep having to look harder & harder to find any humor in the drugwar's obese government worship cult...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Hang me

I care about public health/safety issues.  Hang me from the nearest tree.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

So when are you going to

So when are you going to apply this to ALL substances that pose health and safety issues?

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."  -  George Bernard Shaw

 

To quote Jules:

Example.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I'll go with the obvious

I'll go with the obvious ones.  Alcohol and cigarettes.