That sleazy yet hallowed HBO television series "Sex and the City" is now in theaters as a feature film, and the cultural elites are having a religious experience. Newsweek previewed the movie by reporting how an estimated 50,000 people, some from far-away lands like Australia and Japan, "make the pilgrimage each year to the shrine," the fictional New York City home of "Sex" protagonist Carrie Bradshaw. The magazine chronicled a tour group standing silently, some weeping.
Am I the only one who thinks that those estimated 50,000 people out there make the Trekkies look sane by comparison? But Newsweek seems to lament how the movie isn’t outrageous enough. The headline is "Girls Gone Mild," and the trailer is all about our protagonist getting married – maybe. Writer Julia Baird was amazed at "how many people speak of it in hyperbolic terms: as a revolution, a phenomenon, a cataclysm, almost an insurgency."
“Almost an insurgency”? I’m starting to believe Ms. Baird is one of those 50,000 people out there.
Plopping this series at the cineplex with an R-rating is certainly a more appropriate venue than landing it on HBO or TBS. But the movie has set the media critics off an another wave of tributes to the TV show for glamorizing independent career women with minds of their own, fashionable women who were selfish and sexually adventurous, but still ladylike enough to lust also after $600 designer shoes. It was touted as sparking openness and candor, as if what America needs is more women talking openly about flatulence and pubic hair. The trailer includes jokes about crotch-shaving. How bold.
What this feminist phenomenon didn’t have and didn’t need, apparently, was a woman who would choose to marry young. That looked like the frightening side of the fence, a prison wall. That didn’t seem like a decision at all. It wasn’t so much a choice as a surrender to servitude. The series could have been called “Sex and the Skittish” for all the phobias about the boredom and lost independence of married life.
Certainly the sexual revolution had come and gone long before this show premiered on HBO in 1998, and that year is remembered more for a baby-boomer sex scandal in the White House than the sexual insurgency on pay-cable TV. But that doesn’t mean "Sex and the City" wasn’t tearing down walls of convention for the young people who weren’t around for Woodstock.
On ABCNews.com, reporter Sheila Marikar had to resort to an alias to describe a teenager obsessed with the show. "Lisa" from Long Island became a huge fan of "Sex and the City" when she was 14. She quickly lost her virginity and soon "graduated" to ordering cosmopolitans at bars she snuck into and "cheating on her boyfriend with up to seven other guys -- in one week."
"Lisa" told ABC, "When you're that age you try to emulate people on TV. Carrie smoked, so I smoked, Samantha looked at hooking up with random people as not a big deal, so that's what I did too," she admitted. "It wasn't Sex and the City's fault. I love the show, but I think it made it a little easier to justify my behavior."
But this is good, something to celebrate, true liberation, right? It’s never the show’s fault. People make their own decisions and if they make irresponsible decisions, they have to live with the consequences. But television means never having to say you’re sorry, or responsible. Hollywood can certainly argue that it didn’t make the naughty people act on their naughty impulses. It merely told them it would be glamorous and liberating to do so.
Newsweek’s Baird agreed that the loosening of sexual mores is undeniable, but insisted HBO never told twentysomethings what to do. "It revealed what they were already doing – and emboldened them to do more." But this show didn’t embolden men to do more. When it comes to sexual adventures, it’s an easy if overgeneralizing joke on men that they don’t need much more encouragement than a “yes.” Whatever emboldening HBO did was aimed at women, who were always the natural audience.
The show never boldly declared to women that love was bunk, or romance was for suckers. It had enough focus on finding a lifelong love to keep an edge of sweetness, but in the end a skeptic can still suspect that this was just a marketing ploy to soften the edges of its sexual aggression.
Just as for men, HBO suggested that every woman needs a good, long period (perhaps several decades long) of persistent experimentation in vivacious variety until they’re old and tired and unattractive enough to settle down. Marriage becomes a sort of wistful retirement, a Leisure World for playboys and playgirls. But Hollywood never really retires from self-indulgence.















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I believe the cultural
May 31, 2008 - 21:32 ET by fitzfongI believe the cultural significance of this show, on both the upside and downside, is highly overstated. This was basically an ordinary frivolous show about a nauseatingly self-centered group of whiny clothes horses...kind of like "Friends". The "phenomenon" that's been created by the film's opening is largely manufactured...to be ignored rather than discussed with any seriousness.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
I admit it....
May 31, 2008 - 22:11 ET by shawn228Sex and the city was one of my favorite shows. I thought the shows humor was brilliant.
I bought the series because watching re-runs without the profanity and nudity and it is not the same.
Wow, you're brave. :-) I
June 1, 2008 - 00:01 ET by balboaWow, you're brave. :-)
I used to watch it early on, but it got kinda tiresome. Some of the writing was very smart, very sharp.
May I suggest some beer, a
June 1, 2008 - 00:05 ET by BobbyDMay I suggest some beer, a medium rare steak, and a night at a strip club for u. You are an embarrasment to men Shawn.
Oh hi BobbyD
June 1, 2008 - 00:14 ET by shawn228I remember you, your the one that falsley accused me of being in debt and being in the poorhouse right?
Well I also consider Scarface one of my favorite movies, 24 is my favorite show on tv. I also had some KFC
I am also at this moment watching my guy 46 inch tv "paid cash" inch tv after buying the Rambo dvd.
So I like guy movies as well. I admit to liking romantic comedies as well. My wife convinced me to watch show show called "music and lyrics" the other day and I really enjoyed it as well. Whats wrong Bobby? Can't cry for a movie, but might cry after the election November?
I didnt accuse you of being
June 1, 2008 - 00:59 ET by BobbyDI didnt accuse you of being in debt. I said if you are whining about harsh times now, think about what it will be like when we are actually in a Recession instead of the made up media kind.
Good for you on your movie selection, I really dont care.
Good for you with your TV and Rambo, I dont care.
I can cry for a movie, but you wont see me watching 4 hens sitting around cackling. As for November, please come back to the board Nov 5.
Well bobby
June 1, 2008 - 01:03 ET by shawn228Lets see if you as good a spin doctor as Scott Mccellend.
"Wow Shawn, that's some impressive whining you got going on there. You
are whining about two mortgages-who told you to get two mortgages? Car
payments-Waaaa!!!! I will also bet you have at least some other forms
of debt too. You probably could have held off on some of them
purchases, huh? Oh no, people are not going out to eat. Shudder the
thought. You made some poor financial decisions, and now you have to
deal with them along with others in this country. Let's get this point
out again-the country is not even in a recession. Quit crying,
straighten out your financial mess, and quit blaming others for your
problems."
And? I stand by that.
June 1, 2008 - 01:10 ET by BobbyDAnd? I stand by that. You were whining.
bobby
June 1, 2008 - 01:27 ET by shawn228I said I had two mortgages and I was scared because of a bad economy and high gas prices.
I would not consider that whining. Ok lets take a simple look at your comments shall we?
"I will also bet you have at least some other forms
of debt too. You probably could have held off on some of them
purchases, huh? Oh no, people are not going out to eat. Shudder the
thought. You made some poor financial decisions, and now you have to
deal with them along with others in this country."
"straighten out your financial mess, and quit blaming others for your
problems."
Does that sound like this?
"I didnt accuse you of being in debt. I said if you are whining about
harsh times now, think about what it will be like when we are actually
in a Recession instead of the made up media kind. "
Face it Bobby, you got served.
You were whining. And your
June 1, 2008 - 08:46 ET by BobbyDYou were whining. And your final statement says volumes about you.
Well Bobby
June 1, 2008 - 10:30 ET by shawn228instead of either apologizing and just admitting your were wrong or even backing up either of our points about me whining or being in debt, you focus on my final statement.
lol, BobbyD, relax. Lighten up. I should not have brought it up in the first place. Lets just drop it. I guess you don't like SATC and I do simple as that.
Right Shawn - you shouldn't have brought it up
June 1, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Dee Bunkand Bobby has no need to apologize
Well Hi Dee,
June 1, 2008 - 10:47 ET by shawn228Your agreeing with me today, I guess that says something :-)
It's getting a little better
June 1, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Dee Bunkyou are catching yourself at least. Hopefully it will get to the point where you just stop bringing up old stuff. That's the best I can hope for. I know you'll never admit that I had a point and I don't care.
Good Dee
June 1, 2008 - 11:00 ET by shawn228I agree that I should not have brought it up because it had nothing to do with topic, but sometimes if the comments are only a week old and it is relevant to the subject, I feel they are fair game, but thats just my opinion.
I disagree
June 1, 2008 - 11:10 ET by Dee Bunkbut I'm not going to argue about it. You will never see things the way I do. We are just too different
We are different......
June 1, 2008 - 11:16 ET by shawn228but that does not mean we have to fight like enemies. You are sounding more like your old self today. You have been way too angry for the past week and a half. Not just towards me, but to liberals in general. Its good to have the old Dee back :-)
It's OK, Shawn
June 1, 2008 - 10:37 ET by Lynn DavidsonShawn228 said: Well I also consider Scarface one of my favorite movies, 24 is my favorite show on tv. I also had some KFC
I am also at this moment watching my guy 46 inch tv "paid cash" inch tv after buying the Rambo dvd.
So I like guy movies as well. I admit to liking romantic comedies as well.
You don't need to establish your red-blooded male bona fides, Shawn. I personally appreciate a man who is secure enough to watch supposed chick movies or TV shows. If the writing is good and the premise interesting enough, there's no reason that men shouldn't watch entertainment that is targeted to women. I like watching rom coms with my husband and other "girly" fare.
I'm not saying that we should force all little boys to play with Barbies and build unisex bathrooms, but it is an improvement now that it is acceptable for men and women to cross gender lines in entertainment consumption. That said, I never found SATC very interesting and the main characters were just too annoying, especially Carrie.
Thx Lynn
June 1, 2008 - 10:52 ET by shawn228Yes I thought most of the characters had annoying traits, but I thought the Carrie character was my favorite.
I missed the last few seasons, because I no longer had HBO, that is why I ended up buying the box set.
BobbyD, shawn is an embarrassment to men?
June 1, 2008 - 00:18 ET by R D HelmPerhaps if you substitute single malt scotch for the beer, and throw in a few hand-rolled seriously premium cigars, the medium-rare steak (which I have the ability to grill to perfection, BTW-just ask anyone here) and the club could very well be a great time. :-)
Lighten up, will ya?
Sheesh.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
Hey RD... I say give BobbyD
June 1, 2008 - 00:31 ET by bigtimerHey RD... I say give BobbyD a break...and as far as you grill to perfection, we only have your endless words to that.
Lighten up on Bobby... ;-)
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
of course bt
June 1, 2008 - 00:36 ET by shawn228rolls eyes....wouldn't want to get offend bobby huh? :-) lol. Hey maybe what some people say is true, Here I am turning conservatives against conservatives.
In your dreams shawn. Not
June 1, 2008 - 00:44 ET by bigtimerIn your dreams shawn.
Not in the long run whatsoever.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
uhhh bt?
June 1, 2008 - 00:56 ET by shawn228I was just kidding. Lighten up. What is with you toward me lately anyway? Actually, I know exactly what it is, you are letting a minor feud I'm having with another member get to you.
Your reacted to my joke very seriously, you truly think I'm out to get conservatives to fight each other don't you?
Guess what shawn..I have a
June 1, 2008 - 01:03 ET by bigtimerGuess what shawn..I have a mind of my own.
I know very well what is and has been going on.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
For God's sake bt
June 1, 2008 - 01:07 ET by shawn228"I know very well what is and has been going on."
What do you mean by that? Every time I ask, it is always
"Not going down that road"
"You know perfectly well what I mean,"
Perhaps you can explain rather than these little hints.
Very tired of your game
June 1, 2008 - 01:11 ET by bigtimerVery tired of your game with these lines shawn...past weary of them.
I have alwys answered you before..now I am past tired of them...and you.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
sigh
June 1, 2008 - 01:19 ET by shawn228ooops
sigh
June 1, 2008 - 01:19 ET by shawn228Ok my game? I have been asking what you meant for weeks. You still can't answer my question and your throwing more stones.
I have in no way been disrespectful to you, just trying in vain to get you to answer what game I am playing and what is going on.
If you tired of me, that is fine. Instead of having a a logical debate and getting angry that is fine too. The problem is everytime I had a debate with someone else, there you were, taking their side.
Which is fine, but I would like to know what your tiff is, so I know what to debate about.
Thx RDH
June 1, 2008 - 00:31 ET by shawn228Thx for that. I heard that yesterdays. Rush concert was really cool. Bobby does not think I like manly shows. RDH, here is about as manly reality tv there is. Fastforward about two minutes.
Shawn, Where did you see
June 1, 2008 - 00:38 ET by fitzfongShawn,
Where did you see Rush? I saw them a couple of times at the Forum in Inglewood many years back. Awesome show, crappy venue.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
ftiz
June 1, 2008 - 00:41 ET by shawn228The concert was in Vancouver my hometown, but I did not see them. I was talking to Unsane, because he wanted to know some restaurants and sightseeing in Vancouver and he saw the concert last night.
He said it was really good.
fitz...I think "Rush" is
June 1, 2008 - 00:53 ET by Jerfitz...I think "Rush" is scheduled to perform in Atlanta in a few weeks. I believe R D already has his tickets and is crossing off the days.
I've never seen them. Should I?
Jer
Jer, I can't remember
June 1, 2008 - 01:08 ET by fitzfongJer,
I can't remember attending a better concert. You basically have three virtuosos without inflated egos or overly-indulgent stage props cranking it out for a solid two hours. They took the stage to the Three Stooges theme and they seemed to really appreciate their audience. From what I've heard, they're still really good in concert...and seeing Neil Peart perform in person is definitely worth the price of admission. And as long as they avoid covering "Summertime Blues", it won't be a bad show.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
Rush? Geez. Does music
June 1, 2008 - 01:17 ET by MrShyRush?
Geez. Does music get any whiter (and nerdier) than those guys?
Yes... Reverend Shy is now the new white-on-white racist pastor at Trinity Church :p
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gasp!
June 1, 2008 - 01:19 ET by candanceSince you're becoming a white-mocking reverand and all, I have a politician who would really love to meet you.
hey candance
June 1, 2008 - 01:27 ET by MrShyYou do? Tell me more.
Is this politician an empty suit who comes across really smug? Oh, and, does said politician have big ears?
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verboten
June 1, 2008 - 01:33 ET by candanceAny mention of his ears is racist and off limits. Neither may you remark on his wardrobe or his demeanor. In fact, just to be safe, don't draw attention to any particular detail.
Henceforth you must only refer to him as The Messiah.
That will be Komrade
June 1, 2008 - 01:38 ET by bigtimerThat will be Komrade Messiah soon.... coming to theaters near you...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
candance & bigtimer
June 1, 2008 - 02:16 ET by MrShyYeah, it's unreal with Mr. Skinny Changey Hopey Smugy Eary Empty.
With every new scary association that surfaces, and every new damage control speech, the MSM just keeps repeating the same BHO-cover strategy, "Obama 'Moves On' ".... Rather than, rightly, stopping and noticing the clear cumulative aspect of all these dispicable characters he's been closely associated with, and really questioning HIS character.
Just gross.
And hey BT !! :) Thanks for the nice post below :) Sounds like I have a real fan. On what scale of whiteness and nerdiness do you find Mr. Shy, btw?
:p
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MrS.. I've missed
June 1, 2008 - 01:24 ET by bigtimerMrS.. I've missed you!
You been on tour?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hey BT :)
June 1, 2008 - 01:37 ET by MrShyNo, not on any Rush-style tour, that's for sure :p Might be traveling to Europe later in the summer to promote, though :)
Sorry I'm not logged-in here much lately... my computer is so slow these days when posting, so I've been mostly a logged-off bystander ;)
Note to self: time for a new computer...
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Well...note to you
June 1, 2008 - 01:43 ET by bigtimerWell...note to you MrS...keep us updated via your travels...don't forget your real fans/buds at NBs...I've been tickled with you from day ONE here...and the luckier for it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Whiter? Edgar Winter,
June 1, 2008 - 01:32 ET by fitzfongWhiter? Edgar Winter, Nelson, Johnny Winter, Dee Snider, Whitesnake, White Lion, Great White...
Nerdier? Weezer; Devo; Yes; Emerson, Lake and Palmer; Loggins and Messina; Tommy Tutone; Billy Joel; Genesis...
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
Great White
June 1, 2008 - 01:38 ET by Cool ArrowOnce lit and twice fried baby.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Good list! But, well,
June 1, 2008 - 01:47 ET by MrShyGood list!
But, well, personally I'd move "Loggins and Messina" (if you have to put them in one list) to the "Whiter" ledger. Their songs were too good to classify them as nerdy, for me. But again, Loggins with that beard and all, sure, "Whiter", if you must.
:)
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Mr. Shy
June 1, 2008 - 01:56 ET by shawn228Good to see you. I have not seen your adverstisement in a while. Not many people are quite as white as this guy.
Even though he is half Pueto Rican and Greek.
hey shawn (& fitz)
June 1, 2008 - 02:06 ET by MrShyGood choice, but I'll raise you one (well, or two... two very white guys):
http://www.youtube.c...
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OMG Mr. Shy
June 1, 2008 - 02:13 ET by shawn228That was a knockout blow. I can't compete with that, but here is some more whiteness.
Not bad, not bad. But
June 1, 2008 - 02:21 ET by MrShyNot bad, not bad. But HERE....
http://www.youtube.c...
... and when IS the Rush / Bone Thugs -N- Harmony tour ???
:)
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Wow Mr. Shy
June 1, 2008 - 02:26 ET by shawn228That is a different shade of white. Or how about the ones that can't remember they are white.
shawn.... NKOTB
June 1, 2008 - 02:28 ET by MrShyhttp://www.youtube.c...
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Don't forget Mr. Shy
June 1, 2008 - 02:38 ET by shawn228To choose life.
Okay guys, you want "white"?
June 1, 2008 - 02:25 ET by JerOkay guys, you want "white"? How about Daniel Boone's great-great-great-great grandson?
Jer
Jer
June 1, 2008 - 02:32 ET by shawn228Heres one with the same last name. Sad to say I actually like this whiter than white song.
Damn it, time to put on some AC DC.
Pre or post Bon
June 1, 2008 - 02:35 ET by fitzfongPre or post Bon Scott?
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
lol fitz :=)
June 1, 2008 - 02:48 ET by shawn228I would say oldies and and retro. White music is everywhere.
Well, I'll say this, Shawn,
June 1, 2008 - 03:02 ET by fitzfongWell, I'll say this, Shawn, at least you spared us the King in his Karate phase. That would have put it over the top. From there we'd descend into the depths of the really white...the singer/songwriter set. James Taylor to Jim Croce to Christopher Cross and Dan Fogelberg. Then I'd have to admit that I actually enjoy some of Gordon Lightfoot's signature hits. D'oh!
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
Wll...heck, here's some
June 1, 2008 - 03:23 ET by bigtimerWell...heck, here's some more white boy music...was my fav since I heard it as a very young lady til now....just wanted to throw this in here because I can..btw, I am putting one here that is not good quality music wise, but worth watching...the other, excellent vocal wise.
All my life I wished I could of heard/seen them in concert..their voices are awesome if heard on good tape.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Does Bill Medley perform on
June 1, 2008 - 13:41 ET by fitzfongDoes Bill Medley perform on his own now? After all the links posted (Nelson, John Denver, Elvis, etc.), I wasn't sure who was going to be next...but I feared the Manhattan Transfer.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
Well now MrS...that was a
June 1, 2008 - 02:32 ET by bigtimerWell now MrS...that was a blast!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Shawn, Tony Orlando lives?
June 1, 2008 - 02:09 ET by R D HelmLOL-Who knew?
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
White and nerdy? Rush?
June 1, 2008 - 01:50 ET by R D HelmLOL-Okay, I'll go along with the "white" part, but only to a point. Their music has been influenced by the entire globe. If you don't believe me, then read Neil's first book.
These guys have been at it for over three decades now. I think this about covers it.
If not, then this will.
Besides, where else will you see this?
I have seen this band play live fifteen times, going back to 1979, and I have never once felt cheated.
I cannot say the same for The Who or LZ.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
RD Helm
June 1, 2008 - 01:54 ET by MrShyTheir music has been influenced by the entire globe.
So has Star Trek.
If you don't believe me, then read Neil's first book.
I believe you, I believe you (don't make me read that book!)
In all seriousness, fair enough... :)
But still (and this is inescapable).... they're "Rush" :p
Besides, I grew up on Earth Wind & Fire, et al. I'm just too black for music like that.
My G*d, Candance, did you read what I just wrote? I don't think Reverend Shy could get away with a statement like that.
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Mr. Shy, LOL-Hey, you know I am just yanking your chain....
June 1, 2008 - 02:07 ET by R D HelmI am now 44 years of age. Rush is the last real musical connection to my childhood, as I respect them greatly for their abilities as musicians.
There is a reason why they have essentially outlasted their peers, and that includes The Who and LZ.
I consider them to be three of the finest musicians ever assembled in the same band, bar none.
BTW-My musical training, which was fairly extensive, as well as being far beyond what 99.9998% of Americans ever experienced, was purely classical.
:-)
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
NP's drums...
June 1, 2008 - 02:02 ET by MrShyOkay, just checked out YouTube....
Neil Peart's drum set is off the charts. Actually, they and Earth Wind & Fire have something in common. Insane drum sets. EWF's even rotated (the whole set, drummer and drum platform...) :) back in THEIR heyday, that is.
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:-)
June 1, 2008 - 01:41 ET by R D HelmWe are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
R D...Maybe I'm wrong, but
June 1, 2008 - 00:37 ET by JerR D...Maybe I'm wrong, but I interpreted Bobby's comment as good-natured "ribbing". My post further down was intended as such.
Jer
P.S. But you are indeed the "grillmaster".
Jer
June 1, 2008 - 00:46 ET by shawn228I took it as light ribbing as well. I should not have responded so harshly, it was over something he falsely accussed of the other day.
As for Sex and the city, I thought it was a very smart show. I even bought the box set for myself, not my wife. Yes I am a little embarrassed, but I thought that show was hilarious.
Okay, I'll admit it...I
June 1, 2008 - 00:50 ET by JerOkay, I'll admit it...I occasionally sneaked a peek myself. I had to dodge one of those giant "Milwaukee's Best" beer cans crashing through the roof though.
Jer
R D...Maybe I'm wrong, but
June 1, 2008 - 00:52 ET by bigtimerR D...Maybe I'm wrong, but I interpreted Bobby's comment as good-natured "ribbing".
Jer...Wow...for once we saw things the same way...
I am laughing out loud.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bigtimer...
June 1, 2008 - 10:57 ET by JerJer...Wow...for once we saw things the same way...
I remember the good ole days when we saw a lot of things the same way--at least in matters that weren't overtly political.
Then, virtually overnight, I was transformed into "just another one of those rude NewsBuster liberals". What happened?
Jer
Jer and bt, my response was intended to be :-^) as well.
June 1, 2008 - 01:18 ET by R D HelmLOL-Dayem, it is Saturday night, after all.
Jer, yeah, go see Rush, as this may be their last real tour ever.
Heck, Neil Peart cannot keep this level of playing up forever.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
Holy androgyny, Shawn! We
June 1, 2008 - 00:28 ET by JerHoly androgyny, Shawn! We libs have enough trouble with our image around here. Your assignment is to watch a solid week of John "Duke" Wayne reruns while consuming ten pounds of that raw meat which is currently pictured above and to the right of this post... ["Meet Your Meat"].
Jer
Alternatively, he could
June 1, 2008 - 00:32 ET by fitzfongAlternatively, he could bust out "Cool Hand Luke" on the 46". After watching Newman consume 50 boiled eggs in an hour, all SATC-inspired desires to shop at Jimmy Choo will be purged.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
It’s never the
May 31, 2008 - 22:23 ET by general companyIt’s never the show’s fault. People make their own decisions and if they make irresponsible decisions, they have to live with the consequences. But television means never having to say you’re sorry, or responsible.
Under statement of the week,
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Women complain that porn
May 31, 2008 - 23:13 ET by Kenny BunkportWomen complain that porn presents women in an idealized and unrealistic way. Therefore it is harmful to women because it portrays them as objects not "real" people. Men addicted to porn can't relate to real women because they are stuck in this fantasy ideal. So they say. But...
SATC is equivalent porn for women. The men are always cartoons. If they are "jerks", it is because they are selfish and fail to consider the woman's needs. If they are "good", it's because they fill the woman's needs and understand her moods. They know what she wants and when she needs it (even when she doesn't!!!). They instinctively know when to gently hold her and when to throw her down on the bed like a sack of potatoes for a good animal humping. It always revolves around the woman's feelings. Men can never just be men (unless they're acting like boys, and that's always stereotyped too).
I think it's harmful that women think that what these shows portray is how men really are. That there are Prince Charmings out there without any annoying character flaws who understand them perfectly. Every other man is a user or a basket case.
It may be just a perception thing, but it seems to me that the women who most like this kind of stuff have the hardest time making relationships work. No doubt due at least in part to the re-enforced unrealistic views they get of men from these types of shows.
Kenny
May 31, 2008 - 23:19 ET by botgi've been saying that about soap-operas and many other TV shows for years, they are 'relationship pornography'
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May 31, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Kenny BunkportOf all the friends I known who've divorced, I can list several where Prince Charming lost his crown and the wife thought she had made a "mistake". I can't think of a one where the guy thought he was marrying Jenna Jameson (porn star) who turned out to be a dead fish and got a divorce.
It seems to me that "relationship pornography" is more destructive than "graphic pornography", but never gets criticized by the wonks in the media.
Kenny
May 31, 2008 - 23:24 ET by shawn228I am a big fan of the show and believe me the show men of all levels of stupididy to smart. It is the show that made Manola Blanicks famous, They invented words like "metro sexual." The shows name is deceiving. While there is sex on the show, it deals more with relationships and womens feelings.
I mean there is nothing wrong with a show that comes from a womans point of view. I mean how are women depicted in guy movies. Ie James Bond.
He would say
Bond.....James Bond, and the next thing you know, they are in bed.
I should give it a try.
228..........Shawn228
Her response to me in real life would be.
off..........f*ck off!!!
Shawn, Point well taken.
May 31, 2008 - 23:48 ET by Kenny BunkportShawn,
Point well taken. I always see James Bond as so cartoonish that no thinking man would be so arrogant to think that women would fall at his feet like that and would realize how ridiculous such an approach would be.
It's just been my observation that there are women who take cues from shows like SATC and soaps for relationship "advice". Perhaps I am naive to think that there aren't men out there stupid enough to look to James Bond for tips on scoring chicks.
I should never under-estimate the capacity for lack of common sense from either sex.
I don't care what you say kenny
June 1, 2008 - 00:05 ET by shawn228No one picks up chicks like this guy :-) He's got the moves.
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June 1, 2008 - 14:15 ET by Kenny BunkportOMG The Horror! The Horror!