Young black activists roared their approval when Barack Obama recently greeted criticism on the trail by dusting off his shoulders, a reference to a rap song by Jay-Z called "Dirt Off Your Shoulder." The media covering the moment went crazy, too. Washington Post reporter Teresa Wiltz hailed Obama’s moves and called it a "seminal moment in the campaign, the merging of politics and pop culture," and noted the lyrics suggest "If you feelin’ like a pimp...go and brush your shoulders off."
So Barack Obama is feeling like a pimp?
Online at "The Root," a Washington Post website for African-Americans, Obama supporter and Princeton professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell was sky high. "Like every other hip-hop generation voter in America I went crazy when he did it," she wrote. "I almost couldn’t believe it. It was a perfect moment."
Harris-Lacewell read that moment as a sign of racial swagger and solidarity with "his base of young urban brown and black voters" and they loved it. "He displayed all the familiar self-assurance and bravado of the hip-hop emcee. The people who got it went nuts, while those who don’t know hip-hop just thought he was being funny and confident."
The video went viral and became a YouTube sensation.
What is it about this music that drove Obama to emulate it, and drove the Princeton professor crazy in the process? This Jay-Z song boasts about a "middle finger to the law." Harris-Lacewell touted that Obama would like the song "99 Problems," which has an entire verse about being racially profiled by the "mother f–ing law" for "doing 55 in a 54." Jay-Z also tells critics to kiss his whole (rectum).
Senator Obama claims to be a fan of Jay-Z and Kanye West, but he knows that he has to distance himself a little from the lyrical lows of this "art." He’s been gently critical in interviews. "I love the art of hip hop. I don't always love the message of hip hop," he said. Even with the rappers he loves, "There's a message that is not only sometimes degrading to women; not only uses the N-word a little too frequently; but also something I'm really concerned about, it's always talking about material things."
"A little too frequently?" This is like saying a tsunami’s a little too wet.
Obama should take a look at a new report from the Parents Television Council about three popular rap-music programs that air in the afternoon or early evening -- "Sucker Free" on MTV and "Rap City" and "106 & Park" on Black Entertainment Television for two weeks in December and a week in March.
In 41 and a half hours studied, analysts found 282 uses of the N-word. Is that "a little too frequently," too?
A little too much degrading of women? In those same hours, there were 143 uses of the B-word to describe women.
A little too much focus on material things? Here, Obama is gliding by the question of what material things are acquired. The rap shows included 205 depictions or discussions of drug sale or use and other illegal activity during the study period, for an average of 7.5 instances per hour, or roughly one instance every eight minutes.
Obama did not discuss the heavily sexualized world of rap in his answer. Sexually explicit scenes or lyrical references on these shows appeared 27 times an hour in December, and 40 times an hour in March. No one could miss that drumbeat.
In just one week of programming – 14 hours in March – PTC analysts found 1,342 instances of offensive/adult content, or 95.8 instances per hour, or one instance of adult content every 38 seconds.
Who is being influenced by these messages? During the two-week December 2007 study period, children under 18 made up roughly 40 percent of the audience for these three BET and MTV rap programs. Because all of these programs re-air throughout the day, study results underestimate the percentage of unique children who are exposed to this flood of sexually explicit and violent and crime-glamorizing rapper swagger.
A year ago, Obama made an obvious point when he said Don Imus was fired by NBC for using degrading words that are all over rap radio, but rap mogul Russell Simmons cried foul: "What we need to reform is the conditions that create these lyrics. Obama needs to reform the conditions of poverty."
That is, of course, ludicrous. Poverty doesn’t "cause" violent gansta rap anymore than road rage is caused by Toyota. These messages are vile and contemptible and black leaders like former Gov. Doug Wilder and Bill Cosby are true heroes for saying so, while suffering the inevitable blowback.
And Barack Obama is dusting off his shoulders to the applause of the crowd.
Food for thought.




















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I just finished reading
April 26, 2008 - 08:27 ET by motherbeltI just finished reading that column at Townhall. Fantastic commentary, Mr. Bozell!
Obama brushes off his shoulders, (feelin' like a pimp), the crowd goes nuts and Washington Post reporter Teresa Wiltz hails it as a "seminal moment in the campaign, the merging of politics and pop culture,"
The people who got it went nuts...
and
"Like every other hip-hop generation voter in America I went crazy when
he did it," she wrote. "I almost couldn’t believe it. It was a perfect
moment."
says the Princeton Professor. (emphasis added).
I guess it's OK to bring rap into the campaign, and act like a pimp, as long as the black guy does it.
Look for Obama to try to minimize it, saying he was just brushing off the criticism. But he's not stupid...he knew his crowd..
Pimped Out Prez
April 26, 2008 - 08:24 ET by UpwayDid Obama not learn anything from the disaster that is Kwame Kilpatrick (Hip-Hop Mayor of Detroit)? A lot of people understood the reference. It simply wasn't very presidential.
The Politics of Hip Hop vs. Other Styles
April 26, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Tim GrahamThe danger here is that blacks will say it's rude to suggest pandering to black-music lovers is different from pandering to country music lovers. (If Obama looked a bit stiff as he made his hip-hop moves, remember G. H. W. Bush chomping on pork rinds.)
But other music styles do not glamorize crime, violence, drugs, and prostitution to the same degree. Rock and punk (and some country tunes) can certainly seem anti-social, but the profanity and proud cap-the-cop bravado really put much of hip-hop on a more controversial plane.
"I went crazy when he did it"
April 26, 2008 - 08:35 ET by CobraManHoney, I suspect that you "went crazy" a long time ago, long before you even knew of Obama and his "perfect moment" of pandering to the "hip-hop generation voter."
BTW, the preverbal 'brush off' is a lot older than any member of the "hip-hop generation" and goes back at least 40 years to my recollection. Why do you think he’s actually referring to hip-hop? Did he flash sign or wear droopy pants or something? Did he use quotes from popular hip-hop songs? Did he do ANYTHING besides the preverbal 'brush off'? No, he didn't. You, Madam, just assumed that he was referring to a hip hop song because you have little understanding of gestures and their origins. You think he was trying to connect with the hip hop generation when all he was doing is mocking it. Obama is playing you as the fool, and you play that part well.
That was my thought too,
April 26, 2008 - 09:03 ET by motherbeltThat was my thought too, cobra...
A Princeton professor gets all giddy over a pop-culture affectation.
Get a grip, honey.
More "Cult of Personality."
delete double
April 26, 2008 - 09:29 ET by motherbeltdelete double
Dems Choices
April 26, 2008 - 09:58 ET by WoodyMObama is cool with rap and Clinton changes her mind on seating Florida. I guess the Democratic contest can be summed up as "hip-hop vs. flip-flop."
Washington Post
April 26, 2008 - 08:37 ET by joe3Does the WaPo have a website for Anglo-Americans or
(your ethnicity here)-Americans?
Joe, great point, but...
April 26, 2008 - 08:56 ET by rimskyJoe, great point, but... in your dreams, my friend..
Actually...
August 17, 2008 - 19:25 ET by ChesterBogusThe WaPo website aimed at Anglo-Americans (a term I find deeply offensive, in fact) is right here:
http://www.washingto...
Stop being so naive. Most of American media is aimed specifically at white people. We don't have a WET (White Entertainment Television) Network because we don't need one. We don't have a White Issues page in our newspaper because we already have one called "the whole freakin' newspaper."
I had a friend once say to me, "I turn on the TV and I just don't see me anywhere." Think about that.
Hit and run
August 17, 2008 - 19:32 ET by bigtimerHit and run CB....
Nothing but a troll....who had a friend once....
...think about it.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Cheester...
August 17, 2008 - 19:42 ET by Clear thinker"I had a friend once say to me, "I turn on the TV and I just don't see me anywhere." Think about that."
Uh, I have never seen myself on TV either. So what???
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Making fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.w
Rap, of the genre being
April 26, 2008 - 08:54 ET by rimskyRap, of the genre being discussed here, the immoral, bullying, violent, and generally decadent type, gives "hip-hop" a bad name. I'm no expert about what is included in hip-hop, but this type of bad-boy rap certainly doesn't make up the large part of what is hip-hop, does it? What ever the case, for BHO to say, "I love the art of hip hop. I don't always love the message of hip hop," is just his typical pandering to the masses.
art of hip hop?
April 26, 2008 - 11:31 ET by jefflebowskiRimsky, my friend, saying "art of hip hop" is oxymoronic.
Wave your hand in the air, vote for the communist negro like you just don't care
Are white people starting to see the danger of electing Osama? Not for nothing, but can anyone tell me of any city run by blacks that is not a disaster zone and mired in scandal? DC, New Orleans, Detroilet, Atlanta?
This guy Osama hasn't even had the chance to destroy a city. Why shoud Americans give him the chance to destroy the country? He hasn't earned the right.
Building . . .
April 26, 2008 - 09:00 ET by Doc"Shoulder dusting" = building those "street creds".
Doc....all he needs now
April 26, 2008 - 13:21 ET by BEGRUNTAll he needs now is to invent a criminal record, and he will have all the street cred he needs. Wow, what an "artistic" thing to aspire to, the worse the criminal record the more popular you become in hip hop......disgusting. What great role models huh? And they wonder why the prison population is full of these "artists".
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Wasn't it Obama who said
April 26, 2008 - 09:06 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsWasn't it Obama who said there aren't two Americas, but one America? So why do we keep hearing about this mythical 'black America' populated by 'african Americans' to the exclusion of all others? Where is the one America?? Why the constant divisivness?
D
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Firstly, to call hip-hop
April 26, 2008 - 09:28 ET by jdhawkFirstly, to call hip-hop "art" is ludicrous. Secondly, much like the words of his so-called "pastor" should be condemed out of hand and the "pastor" forever more shunned. So should "hip-hop" music. Any sane person would do both. Not emulate the racist, hate-America, hate monger "pastor" Wrigth and the racist, hate-America, hate mongers Jay-Z and whatever his name is (emphasis on who cares).
To me this is truly a "perfect moment" in that it further indicates what bambi is made of. He sadly identifies with the low of his race. Those that would seek hate and violence to further themselves. But, hey, it's working! bambi, Wright, Jay-Z and what his name are proof of it. They are all millionaires many times over. What a shame for America. What a shame for the dimocrat party.
Think about it. Last time around the dims had the serial liar and philanderer. This time around it is possible we will have the racist, hate-America, hate monger in our White House.
Remember Nixon flashing the peace sign
April 26, 2008 - 09:45 ET by exLibMan, I remember when Richard Nixon flashed the peace sign, he was like "yo, man, peace out" and then he crossed his arms over his chest.
That Tricky Dick Nixon was one mean rapper dude and really understood the rap generation.
Nixon
April 26, 2008 - 09:48 ET byflashed the victory sign (context is king)
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Nixon and peace
April 26, 2008 - 10:14 ET by CobraManThat peace sign was rather prophetic as it was President Nixon who actually brought peace to South Vietnam, remember? He was the President who forced North Vietnam to sign the Paris Peace Accords in 1973, and that ended the Vietnam War and brought our troops home.
Too bad the Democrats wouldn't let that peace last. It was the Democrats in Congress who cut off all military and financial aid to South Vietnam in 1974 and 1975, remember? That foolish action lead directly to the North's second invasion and eventual defeat of the South in 1975 (a year after Nixon was forced to resign) and the deaths of well over a million innocent people in the region.
It seems like History, with the help of the Democrats generally and Obama specifically, is trying to repeat itself in the Middle East. Let's hope it doesn't as this time tens of millions will most likely die. But I guess that's a small price to pay for Obama to win the Presidency, right?
A bit of a reach
April 26, 2008 - 10:36 ET by americaneagleHow many times will this ground be tread by conservatives? And why are so many conservatives reduced to hysterics when hip-hop music enters the equation?
I am a conservative black who listens to hip-hop, and has enjoyed it for many years. And while I understand that a lot of this stuff is simply garbage, not all of it is and not all of it should be characterized as such. Personally, i like a lot of Jay Z's music and don't see anything wrong with Obama listening to it. And if you wanted to, you could easily understand that brushing the dirt off his shouler had nothing to do with being a "pimp", but is a symbol of moving past the people trying to hold you back. Heck, I have done it too...does that mean that I am a "pimp" too?
Further, with all of the things wrong with Obama and his candidacy, his association with Bill Ayers; his wife not seeing any redeeming quality in America until Barry was leading in the polls; the association with Mr. Wright; the embrace of the radical teachings of Saul Alinsky, and the blatant hypocrisy of telling college students NOT to seek corporate success(while neither of the Obamas took that route) Brent is wasting space whining about....what exactly? That Obama might listen to hip-hop music, and *gasp!* brush the dirt off his shoulder to connect with his audience? Isn't there something else Brent could have used his time and considerable talents to write about, instead of this insignificant tidbit? This just seems like a bit of a reach to me.
Who's reaching here?
April 26, 2008 - 10:49 ET by CobraMan"This just seems like a bit of a reach to me."
Who's doing the actual 'reaching' here?
"He displayed all the familiar self-assurance and bravado of the hip-hop emcee."
That's not a NB commenter or Blogger making that statement as you suggest. That's an Obama supporter and Princeton professor who's making that comparison. It seems to me that it's the Obama supporters who are making "a bit of a reach" when comparing his "brush off" with a gesture reminiscent of a hip-hop emcee. We’re just pointing out how silly it is and how Obama is pandering to the crowd.
Brent Bozell is making the comparsion Cobraman
April 26, 2008 - 11:12 ET by shawn228Brent is making a big deal about an innocet brushing someone off his shoulder with violent rap theme lyrics.
I mean if someone gave the peace someone the peace symbol, does he have to be a fan of Nixon?
Brent is?
April 26, 2008 - 11:35 ET by CobraManBrent is? It looks to me that it's the Obama supporters who are making those comparisons, and not Brent.
BTW, as had been already pointed out, Nixon made the V for Victory sign, not the peace sign. That V for Victory sign was flashed a lot at the end of WWII. It was a well-known symbol of victory over adversity.
It was during the Vietnam War that the V for Victory sign was changed into the 'peace' sign by people using it to indicate a hopeful V for Victory over the "military-industrial complex" and the end of the Vietnam War. I know this because I remember it from my childhood. Instead of calling it V for Victory, it was renamed “Peace Sign” to lessen the obvious negative connotations of a victory for the anti-establishment, anti-government, “peace and love” movement. In other words, it never really was a sign for peace, but for victory over the government and conservative morals and values. The true “peace” symbol, adopted by the anti-war movement during the 60’s and 70’s, was a circle encasing three intersecting lines, kind of like an upside down Y/I combination inside of an O, remember?
The Peace Symbol:
http://www.gooddeed....
Cobraman
April 26, 2008 - 11:47 ET by shawn228Thx Cobraman, I always thought he was giving the peace symbol all these yrs.
Here is what Brent said
"What is it about this music that drove Obama to emulate it, and drove
the Princeton professor crazy in the process? This Jay-Z song boasts
about a "middle finger to the law." Harris-Lacewell touted that Obama
would like the song "99 Problems," which has an entire verse about
being racially profiled by the "mother f–ing law" for "doing 55 in a
54." Jay-Z also tells critics to kiss his whole (rectum). "
I would say it is fair that Brent is making the correlation
"Harris-Lacewell touted
April 26, 2008 - 12:08 ET by CobraMan"Harris-Lacewell touted that Obama would like the song "99 Problems""
So, it's Harris -Lancet that touts the correlation between Obama's gesture and Hip Hop culture (Rap is a part of the Hip Hop culture, you know) and a even suggest a rap song Obama would relate to and enjoy, but it's Bret who's making false comparisons because he’s quoting the lyrics that are contain in that same rap song? How do you figure that?
cobraman
April 26, 2008 - 12:16 ET by shawn228Pretty much, most of that article has to do with how Obama wants to associate himself with gansta rap after Brent said should take a look at a new report from the Parents Televison council and how he should take heed of these lyrics.
Shawn
April 26, 2008 - 12:30 ET by CobraManPretty much, most of that article was a response to Harris-Lacewell's correlation of Obama's gesture and the hip-hop culture and a demonstration of some of the material that is presented as art in that culture.
She said it herself: "He displayed all the familiar self-assurance and bravado of the hip-hop emcee. The people who got it went nuts, while those who don’t know hip-hop just thought he was being funny and confident."
If he really was making a hip-hop related response with his gesture, and it appears that a lot of people who were there think that he was, then it is important to understand the context of that culture by actually displaying some of the lyrics that are contained in the musical “art” of that culture, wouldn’t you agree?
Once again, Brent wasn't making the correlation between Obama and hip-hop, she was. Well, thanks to Bret, we now have some idea just what that culture includes and what that correlation involves.
cobraman
April 26, 2008 - 12:38 ET by shawn228I guess, we are not going agree on who said what and what the interpretation is.
As far as the lyrics in Rap go. I do not agree with lots of the lyrics, but i refuse to be a hyprocrite and condemn those songs, when I will be one of the first to buy Grand Theft Auto IV.
I admit it is one of the most repulsive games out there, but I admit I have no self control when it comes to that video game
No, we won't ever agree
April 26, 2008 - 13:07 ET by CobraMan"I guess, we are not going agree on who said what and what the interpretation is."
No, we won't be able to agree on "who said what" even though there are direct quotes available which indicates distinctly what was said and by whom. Why this is, I don't know.
As for interpretations of what was said by whomever, I don't need to interpret a direct quote. I think the quotes from Harris-Lacewell, Obama, and Brad all speak for themselves.
As far as musical and cultural preferences are concerned, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Be that as it may, presidential candidates are judged on character as much as anything else and your personal tastes and preferences in music and culture is a very good indication of your character. Personally, I judge Obama to be a man of low character due to his public and private associations and personal tastes, but that's just my opinion.
(on edit: another man's treasure, not garbage)
I am a conservative black
April 26, 2008 - 10:54 ET by Jack BauerGreat. I love reading what folks with your pretty unique perceptive have to say! And I like rock songs with lyrics that'd make me blush if I was listening alongside my mom!
But you and I are not running for President. If a candidate makes a reference to something that means nothing to the vast majority because they are not into that world, then someone is going to explain it to them.
I'm guessing Senator Obama already has the hip-hop vote (if they actually turn up) sewed up. It's some of the the folks who hate rap and/or hip hop he has to attract. And they include Democrats.
I don't think its reaching;
April 26, 2008 - 14:08 ET by motherbeltI don't think its reaching; not at all. Here we have, for the first time in America, a black candidate with a serious shot at the White House, who wants to be taken seriously, in spite of his youth and lack of experience.
And he chooses to indentify with the hip-hop culture and show that he knows how to act when "feelin' like a pimp."
Everyone knew that it wasn't meant in the sexual context when David Shuster said Chelsea Clinton was being "pimped out" but he still got a LOT of flak, and suspended, for it. But we should just shrug off Obama acting like a pimp?
Sorry, not buying that.
PS. And Jack, above is right. He doesn't have to win them over; he already has the hip-hop vote sewn up.
So why "pimp" act?
I don't see how Obama
April 26, 2008 - 11:50 ET by FairlightI don't see how Obama actually thinks he only has a few specks of dust on his shoulder when he's been associating with trash for 20 years. Maybe he should try shoveling off the mud on his back, side, front, middle, bottom, and top. I'm afraid after 20 years, that mud has now turned into cement. It's all over Obama. No matter how hard you try to brush it off, your fate has been set in stone.
ROFL!!! You're
April 26, 2008 - 12:12 ET by motherbeltROFL!!! You're right...he's got a lot of "brushin" to do!
(Well he did make a start with brushing off his grandmother...)
What next?
April 26, 2008 - 12:30 ET by RackieFlashing gang signs and grabbing his crotch?
Since this brand of hip hop
April 26, 2008 - 12:38 ET by RaSince this brand of hip hop was created by "the man" to inact violence in the african american community. When does Obama start shooting?
What's next?
April 26, 2008 - 14:47 ET by Logic over emotionRackie:
What's next? Flashing gang signs and grabbing his crotch?
I don't care who you are - That's Funny!
And, well, a little sad too.
The whole of ...
April 26, 2008 - 14:33 ET by 10ksnookerBlack Liberation Theology(BLT) is so hard to understand. So now brushing your shoulders, that's code for what? Hip-hop singers they talk funny also. Must be part of the BLT culture.
Sure isn't someone you want for President. The US could end up looking like Detroit.
It's code for "feelin' like
April 26, 2008 - 16:02 ET by motherbeltIt's code for "feelin' like a pimp." Nice, huh?
Maybe one of you on NB
April 26, 2008 - 16:28 ET by bigpapacan explain to me why it is good to be a pimp??
A pimp is basically a slave owner, the girls are his "property" if you will...
I thought slavery was/is a bad thing??
Am I wrong?
Where did you get the idea
April 26, 2008 - 17:25 ET by motherbeltWhere did you get the idea that we think it's good to be a pimp?
not people here
April 26, 2008 - 18:08 ET by bigpapathe gangsta rap culture seems to think it's grand to be a pimp.
It's on the next generation to offend the current
April 26, 2008 - 19:19 ET by exLibI think it's all about the "young" needing to do/say things that will shock/offend their elders.
That's what liberlism is all about, offending "the man", conservative, etc...
It is somewhat of a rite of passage for current youth to push the envelope and find ways to offend their elders.
Hence, in the 70's you say you were a "baller" was obscece while all of a sudden late 90's it means you play basketball/hoops. In that case it's the opposite, giving a benign definition to an obscene act so they can say at ad infinitum.
The parents initially get shocked, try to censor the material, only to find it out it's not that bad.
The pimp thing is just an excuse to be edgy and offensive.
What I find hillarious and a bit curious is how excited these people get when someone they know tries to indentify with them.
It's perplexing, that today's liberals are still so cynical when the words and actions are those of a conservative, yet when it's someone who supposedly shares their ideology, they fall for the act like patsies.
I don't think I would be more attracted and "excited" about a canidate if they shared my hobies or where from the same era in pop culture. I would be excited if they were someone I worked with or met on a train and thought we could be friends and hang out but I don't look for that in a leader I will probably never meet.
I think it's all about the
April 26, 2008 - 19:29 ET by motherbeltI think it's all about the "young" needing to do/say things that will shock/offend their elders.
Yeah....I remember that....I think...LOL. A loooooong time ago.
And in every generation, it's a bunch of kids all saying, "I want to be different!!" And they all look the same ....same haircut, same clothing, same shoes...same posture, same gestures...
Motherbelt, the difference is . .
April 26, 2008 - 19:34 ET by Mica the MagnificentI guess we always thought there was a difference in sameness, I guess.
Geez.
We really were on something back then, eh?
Be different, Grab a Bible MB
April 26, 2008 - 20:27 ET by exLibI work at a very liberal college in Boston, surpirse!
Whenever students talk about being different and edgy and all that, I say you are going with the grain, you want to be different? Grab a bible, be a conservative, preach the word. See how easy it is to go "with the grain".
I see your point
April 26, 2008 - 19:53 ET by bigpapahowever... Snoop Dog, Ice T etc...
are all older than me and raking in the bucks with this pimp attitude..
I really find it odd that a culture that wants reperations for slavery promotes it in their music.
"Lame" Off Your Soldiers
April 28, 2008 - 20:38 ET by The7SticksThe root problem with this article is that it doesn't address the real problem about BET, and it has nothing to do with whatever Kanye West or Jay-Z video is on it (As a white Jewish guy, I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I do have a couple of Kanye West and Jay-Z raps on my iPod, mainly because I like the way the rapping is mixed with some classic rock songs by Steely Dan, Elton John and the Beatles.) It doesn't matter how many time some rappers uses the words "b***h" and "n***a", what matters is the context they are used in. If you ever read the Boondocks comic strip or watched the TV show on Adult Swim, you would learn that the problem is that there are specific BET shows that try to capitalize on the specific words and phrases that rappers use, usually misrepresenting the whole point of the rap. I mean, "Pimp My Ride"? "Can A N***a Get A Job?" (actually, I think that was a spoof that the Boondocks did to make fun of the degrading content produced on UPN, but still...) The root problem isn't the frequency of swearing or misogyny, it is the fact that BET executives are bent on an evil agenda. What do you think BET stands for? Black Evil Television. They were able to pressure Cartoon Network to pull two episodes of The Boondocks because they criticized BET.
Wait, what?
August 17, 2008 - 20:49 ET by ChesterBogus"That is, of course, ludicrous. Poverty doesn’t "cause" violent gansta rap anymore than road rage is caused by Toyota."
What do you mean? Are you suggesting that poverty doesn't lead to crime? And crime doesn't lead to violence? And violence doesn't lead to gangs? And gangs don't lead to gangster rap?
Of course, some gangs don't make gangster rap. Sometimes they break out into choreography and song about how great being a Jet is. Do you imagine that all gang life is like West Side Story, and gangster rap magically appeared on a CD burned in the Infernal Disc Drive of Hell back in 1994?
If gangster rap doesn't come from poverty, where does it come from? Kanye West was raised kinda middle class, and he doesn't make gangster rap. Common doesn't make gangster rap. There's a lot of rap that isn't gangster. Rap that is gangster tends to come from the poor people...
This is just shows how naive white people are. Hip-hop, rap in particular, is so demonized and villified by us that we just can't see through it to the reality. We think Hip-hop can be judged in white terms, we think we can compare it to Beethoven or Brahms, but we can't. We think because it's not an orchestra, it isn't music, which is a naive, childish and, ultimately, racist thing to say.
To suggest that there's no connection between poverty and gangster rap is like saying sex doesn't lead to babies. Hey, sometimes we have sex and don't get pregnant, but a lot of times you do. Sometimes poverty creates jazz. Sometimes whorehouses produce tango. But gangster rap was born in a culture very different from mine, and very different from yours. It is a reflection of a very real culture, and it represents very real lives. To write it off as "garbage" is to say to an entire group of people, "I don't care how bad your lives are; I don't want to listen."
To say poverty had no effect on gangster rap is childish and naive. It shows a severe lack of understanding about the world as a whole, let alone American culture. It came from an impoverished segment of America, and instead of heeding the cry for help, white Americans just saw it as proof that their prejudices were correct. Instead of saying, "Wow, we should do something about this," white folk just threw up their arms and cried, "It's those black people again!"
Understanding Hip-hop isn't about listening to a new kind of music. It's about trying to understand a huge segment of American culture. American experience. Let me emphasize: Hip-hop is AMERICAN, it is about AMERICAN people, it reflects AMERICAN lives. If you see Hip-hop as a bad thing, fine: but if it is a bad thing, it is a bad thing that AMERICANS made. It is a symptom of something. A good doctor, that cares about his patients, takes time to understand symptoms. Do you care enough about America to understand its symptoms?
People here say they love America, but yet they can't take the time to actually try to understand how different people experience America. News flash, people: America isn't the land of opportunity for everyone. For some people, it's a really tough place to live. For some people, American culture represents intolerance and meanness. You'd know that if you cared about the country.
Did you ever think someone would tell you that your hatred of Hip-hop proves that you hate America? Well, it does. It proves that you hate a very large portion of Americans, because you just don't have time to understand their culture. It proves that you don't want to understand American culture. Instead of taking rap and trying to learn from it, trying to understand how people live, trying to understand how they think, you write it off as "garbage." And by writing off people's art as garbage, you're writing them off as garbage, too. Are you proud of that? Are you proud that you believe Americans are garbage?
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Cheester...
August 17, 2008 - 21:03 ET by Clear thinkerRap SUCKS!
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August 17, 2008 - 21:09 ET by shawn228Just to be clear, I don't agree with much of what Chester has to say. I believe people should take responsiblity for their own actions, but I disagree with "Rap Sucks" It is not my favorite genre, but some songs are pretty cool.
Real life video games are cool
shawn...
August 17, 2008 - 21:17 ET by Clear thinkerDon't get me wrong, if you want to listen to it, then by all means have at it. But for me Rap Sucks as a musical genre. We all have the freedom in this country (I hope) to enjoy any music we choose, so it's just a matter of personal taste.
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I think rap _used_ to be a
August 17, 2008 - 21:16 ET by balboaI think rap _used_ to be a symptom of something. Now it's become a caricature of itself.
There's good and bad rap. There a some great rap songs.
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August 17, 2008 - 21:23 ET by Cool ArrowSay it ain't so?
Flavor Flav looks pretty genuine, doesn't he?
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Ugh...Flav is quite the
August 17, 2008 - 21:30 ET by balboaUgh...Flav is quite the caricature. Hard to believe he was part of Public Enemy.
Chuck D., one of the great rap voices.
Flav
August 17, 2008 - 21:46 ET by Cool ArrowExpecting his 7th child, I hear.
He and his wife must be very happy. What's that? You don't say?
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Chester
August 17, 2008 - 21:19 ET by Cool ArrowWhat do you mean? Are you suggesting that poverty doesn't lead to
crime? And crime doesn't lead to violence? And violence doesn't lead to
gangs? And gangs don't lead to gangster rap?
I guess you would claim the crime rate actually climbed during the Depression. You would be wrong.
Rogue elephants are the result of a dearth of mature bulls.
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If you see Hip-hop as a bad
August 17, 2008 - 21:20 ET by bigtimerIf you see Hip-hop as a bad thing, fine: but if it is a bad thing, it is a bad thing that AMERICANS made.
America isn't the land of opportunity for everyone. For some people, it's a really tough place to live. For some people, American culture represents intolerance and meanness.
Read tag-line below CB...and that goes for the rest of your pathetic post too....
If you or others don't like it here....
Leave.
Shut up or put up...
....and gawd almighty quit your incessant whining.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Chester, Most Hip-hop and gangsta rap is degrading...
August 17, 2008 - 21:24 ET by R D Helm...to black Americans, and particularly black females.
As someone who is not exactly unfamiliar with that culture, if I were black and had a daughter, she would not start dating until the age of 18. And if she was still living under my roof beyond that, probably not until the age of 21 or until she moved out, whichever came first.
-Dave.
That's just it RD
August 17, 2008 - 21:35 ET by Cool ArrowIf you were black and had a daughter, there is a greater than 80% chance she isn't living under your roof with you and her mother.
Chances are also much greater she's been used by her mom's "friends".
Flushking's political cronies have worked real hard over the last 45 years to make sure black daddies don't keep commitments.
It's not even a dirty little secret anymore that the Dems have repackaged their pre 1964 agenda of opression into a campaign of trashing the black family.
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Ct, I agree whole-heartedly.
August 17, 2008 - 21:47 ET by R D HelmAnd I blame the left for that 100%.
Black families remained fairly well intact until the lefties decided to "help" them.
As I said somewhere around here the other night, the KKK could not have devised a more effective scheme to destroy the black family had they tried.
-Dave.
It came from an
August 17, 2008 - 21:34 ET by R D HelmIt came from an impoverished segment of America
Which is going to stay impoverished as long as it continues to be influenced by anti-acheivement, self-loathing "artists."
-Dave.
He's gone RD
August 17, 2008 - 21:43 ET by Cool ArrowFlushking comes in here to break wind and begone. And he says he doesn't read replies, but we know he does.
He's the white teacher at school who tries to be hip rather than bring any education to the table.
I doubt Flushking doesn't cash in on the little perks created by Rap music. We don't know him by name, but he'll be involved in a school scandal near you.
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Are you suggesting that
August 17, 2008 - 21:38 ET by motherbeltAre you suggesting that poverty doesn't lead to crime?
That's backward, Chester; crime leads to poverty.
Think about it.
Newsflash Flushking
August 17, 2008 - 21:56 ET by Cool ArrowNews flash, people: America isn't the land of opportunity for everyone. For some people, it's a really tough place to live.
OK, Flushking, in what other part of the world could Rap originate and flourish other than the good ol' USA?
Your argument refutes itself. No wonder you're a Democrat. You're going to get your regular pay raise regardless of your ability to instill analytical thought into your students.
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