Newsweek magazine recently celebrated the latest trend in elite Northeastern colleges: sex magazines, complete with highbrow titles -- like "Boink." In applauding the shifting sexual mores of American youth, reporter Jennie Yabroff noted that these enterprising students "no longer see a distinction between their bedroom behavior and their publishing activities," and consider their sex-magazine careers in college to be building blocks for the business world.
"I continually tell my mom this is a great résumé builder," says Alecia Oleyourryk of her career publishing "Boink" magazine at Boston University. Newsweek now needs a sociologist to affirm the wisdom of these "young sexperts." Cue Pepper Schwartz, a sociologist at the University of Washington. "Maybe their generation will take this a lot less seriously than we do," she says.
Isn’t it strange how some sociologists (and, one assumes, some writers at Newsweek) applaud this generation for its liberated views toward sex, expecially compared to the last generation? So what if the last generation danced naked at Woodstock? How far do today’s college students have to go to be less serious? It’s not a pretty picture.
Newsweek tries to have fun with the reader-titillating premise of young elite-college co-eds writing endlessly about their sex lives, and how "In the age of MySpace and Facebook, sex may be just one more way to network." But the ethics end up sounding pretty twisted. "To me, talking about sex and one-night stands is superficial. What I keep out of the column is the intimate stuff," says Jenna Bromberg, a sex columnist at Cornell University, adding that she wouldn't write about a serious relationship.
Doesn’t Newsweek wonder about how young people swim in a culture where superficial one-night-stand sex is championed and the value of intimacy isn’t fit to print?
But let’s consider what our media trend-sniffers don’t want to talk about, a story that might ruin the celebration of deliciously naughty amorality on campus. Newsweek mentioned the magazine (and the tradition of) SWAY, for Sex Week at Yale, but didn’t mention how the spirit of Anything Goes can go very wrong.
The Yale Daily News reported that at about the same time Newsweek was putting its saucy story on the presses, the organizers of Sex Week at Yale were throwing a porn-movie screening in the law school auditorium. Hardcore pornographer Paul Thomas was invited to show films and have a question-and-answer session (and plug sales for his Vivid Entertainment DVDs). Unfortunately for Yale, Thomas brought footage of graphic rape fantasies and the labeling of a woman as a "slut" who "deserved" violent sexual degradation.
Oops. Apparently, when you run Sex Week, you don’t think of pre-screening anything. After all when does the concept of "inappropriate" porn arrive with this crowd? Everyone wants to be "cavalier," because anything less makes you Jerry Falwell. But there’s a force at Yale far more powerful than Christianity.
Enter the feminists at the Yale’s Women Center, who were not pleased. Presca Ahn, who is the "fellowship coordinator" there, declared: "In porn, sex is not a normal, healthy part of normal, healthy lives; it’s fetishized, exaggerated or embellished. Porn isn’t honest. We need to talk honestly about it: It hurts women."
The film clips were abruptly ended, and the session went right into the Q&A. Sex Week coordinators made it very clear to the Yale Daily News they do not support the practices displayed in the film. Colin Adamo, Sex Week event coordinator, called the screening a grave mistake. "We really dropped the ball on this one," he said. "No one watched the movie before Paul showed it to the audience."
Unsurprisingly, that was not the pornographer’s opinion. The Daily News reported that Adamo described the images as sexually unhealthy and disrespectful to women. But the pornographer’s response "insinuated that he was a prude and just needed to watch more porn, Adamo said after the screening." Thus the solution to having any moral qualms about pornography is to drown yourself in more pornography.
No one in this controversy asked: Where are the grownups? Isn’t there a one questioning his return on the annual $45,000 investment in "education"? Where are the administrators? Is there anyone at Yale who can provide students with a more rational voice than a hardcore pornographer? This whole controversy gives off a whiff of the inmates running the asylum.
To expect the Ivy League to reflect traditional values is to dabble in fantasy. But it’s a sad cultural signpost when it’s considered a prudish traditional value to object to films that seek to encourage men to build fantasy scenarios about violent sexual assault.















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Anything Goes
March 8, 2008 - 14:49 ET by KC MulvilleIf this wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious. A "prestigious" school charges hundreds of thousands of dollars so that the students can ... teach themselves. Instead of the teachers going through the tedious exercise of examining traditional values, the teachers allow the students to "share their values" and teach each other.
Of course, you know what "free sex" means? It means that a bunch of losers can't get it when it costs something.
Thankfully, my school
March 8, 2008 - 15:04 ET by CortillaenThankfully, my school hasn't slipped quite that far, but even MST (formerly UMR), an engineering school in Missouri, shows signs of sliding in that direction. I agree with the question posed by Mr. Bozell, "After all when does the concept of "inappropriate" porn arrive with this crowd?" How does one decide that this porn is acceptable, but that porn isn't? It's just another example of how moral relativism is actually amorality. Trying to place standards in that framework inherently becomes an exercise in pointless, arbitrary rules with no support.
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Enter the feminists at the
March 8, 2008 - 15:10 ET by MidAmericaEnter the feminists at the Yale’s Women Center, who were not pleased. Presca Ahn, who is the "fellowship coordinator" there, declared: "In porn, sex is not a normal, healthy part of normal, healthy lives; it’s fetishized, exaggerated or embellished. Porn isn’t honest. We need to talk honestly about it: It hurts women."
Whoa! Wait a minute. The feminists are wrong to be offended. There are no rules in life. The reason religion is discredited is because it tries to impose 'rules' on society. But now we are to believe that because a few women don't like the depiction of women being humiliated that they can 'impose' their views on those who like to see those images? Where is their openess to all forms of sexual expression?
Probably had the humiliated women in the porn been dressed in Nun's Habits there wouldn't have been a problem.
This is nothing new...
March 8, 2008 - 15:15 ET by sarcasmoThe left and right often cooperate on the porn issue. One of the things I love most about libertarian writing is that it stands up to the test of time to stay relevant for years (another example is Dave Barry's classic Reason interview!).
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Where are the
March 8, 2008 - 15:40 ET by motherbeltWhere are the grownups?
The grownups are out working their butts off so that these kids can get what they thought was going to be a quality education.
Because these students (at 18) are "adults", the grownups aren't even entitled to know what's going on. The grownups are expected to pay the tuition and shut their mouths.
I am planting seeds in the
March 8, 2008 - 15:50 ET by amberI am planting seeds in the minds of my children that the best and only college option is USMA (West Point) anything else is a waste of time and they would be better off investing in real estate right out of high school. I have never saved for their college education. I save for their future and whatever path they want to go. I think college is a waste unless you want to be a surgeon or in some other highly specialized field. Journalists of today have such a horrible education that even my 6 year old can ask them "is that what you know or just what you think?" Law school has no respect or reverence for our constitution and law. Business school never taught people how to run a business. Anything you need to know about math or accounting or cooking or writing....that can all be learned by books, experience, and being around others who know more than you and who are willing to teach you as long as you have the aptitude for it. I studied math in college, what I learned, I learned from the text. If I had a question I stopped in and asked the professor. For the most part, class was a waste of time. I went to school at night and worked durring the day and on the weekends volunteered with the National Guard. I did know a few people who went to school durring the day and some of them coasted of off the money their parents gave them. To me, paying for children to go to school is the worst thing a parent can do for their 18-30 year old. Most of the kids did not respect their parents for it. The money was their right and their parents had no say how it was spent. I could go on, but I don't think I need to.
Howdy amber.... I could
March 8, 2008 - 15:58 ET by bigtimerHowdy amber....
I could not agree more with your sentiments in your post.
Presca Ahn sends a letter to Bozell
March 14, 2008 - 15:56 ET by Tim GrahamMr. Bozell,
I feel compelled to correct some apparent factual errors in your column, "Rape Films at Yale." Your writing suggests that feminists from the Yale Women's Center "[e]nter[ed]" Sex Week at Yale's pornography screening, that I "declared" the porn to be objectionable, and that the film was shut down as a result of these two actions. In fact, leaders of the Yale Women's Center did not attend the screening-- nor did they issue any kind of statement (or declaration) about it. My opinion editorial in the Yale Daily News-- from which you've lifted your quotation of me-- is just that: my personal opinion. While it is true, as you say, that many members of the Women's Center were "not pleased" about the screening, we did not interfere with the screening itself. Free speech is a cornerstone of university life. My view is that discourse is far more constructive blanket censorship, as I hoped to suggest through my critique of the Sex Week organizers' apology, and my expressed hope that we may "talk honestly" about porn as a powerful cultural product (not a genre to be categorically, or institutionally, banned).
Also, I am pained at the assumption that my op-ed should be taken as representative of the Yale Women's Center. I am listed under the op-ed as a "junior in Branford College" and the "Amy Rossborough Fellowship Coordinator of the Yale Women's Center." However, this identification does not mean that my opinions are those of all juniors or all members of Branford College, let alone of all the members of the Women's Center. When the Women's Center wishes to issue a statement, the entire board signs as such.
One more note, if I may: you seem to imply in your piece that feminism is a more powerful force at Yale than Christianity. If you must deal in false dichotomies, I am not sure that "more powerful" is the best way to characterize campus feminism in comparison to campus Christianity. "Less funded" and "more vibrant" might be better choices.
Sincerely yours,
Presca Ahn
Freedom of speech Brent
March 8, 2008 - 16:10 ET by shawn228I am not going to comment about the "rape scene" because I do not have enough information about it to make an informed decision yet.
From what I see, many writers for this "Boink" magazine write in and talk about their sexual fantasies. If readers are interested in that kind of stuff, more power to them.
If Newsweek finds this stuff interesting, is there really anything wrong with that? I see nowhere, that one nights stands are championed. If you feel the value of physical intimacy is so important Brent, you can write about it as much as you want on Newsbusters and MRC. That is the beauty of America, this is a free country. I really do not see why people have such a problem with others viewing something someone else opposes, this goes for both Liberals and Republicans.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Freedom of speech my ass!
March 8, 2008 - 17:11 ET by tracheostomyS: I am not going to comment about the "rape scene" because I do not have enough information about it to make an informed decision yet.
Pure hypocrisy! You're turning a blind eye to the very limits of free speech. Free speech is not perfect speech. A pervirtuoso can take your purest virgin daughter of free speech, and turn it into his whore. . .and you know it.
Stop playing stupid Shawn, and just admit your idealism isn't perfect by a longshot.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
lol trach
March 8, 2008 - 17:17 ET by shawn228I don't know enough about what they were watching to make a informed decision. Just like if i did not know all the details, I would have thought the Rush Limbaugh "fake soldiers" story was true.
I have always said free speech means fighting for expression for which you find yourself opposing. I think the act of burning an American Flag is disgusting, but at the same time, I believe in a persons right to burn that flag in protest. There are also many rape scenes in movies.
"*No Shawn, I'm not talking about a GB"
Huh???.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
S: I don't know enough
March 8, 2008 - 17:36 ET by tracheostomyS: I don't know enough about what they were watching to make a informed decision.
LOL, Shawn. Oh, you adorable LOL guy, you. I know. You're just upset you didn't have a front row seat, right? Because the only valid info is firsthand in-your-face, right?
Gee, maybe I could use the same lame argument with you in the future. It's nothing but a pure plea to ignorance.
S: I have always said free speech means fighting for expression for which you find yourself opposing.
You know it's not a perfect ideal by a longshot, and even you have set limits to this in other threads.
Fill in the blank Shawn: "Free speech in the topic of porn should be limitless, except in the case of _______."
You got the guts? Or are you gonna shuck and run with "I don't know enough about what they were watching to make a informed decision."
But is staged rape so wrrrrong? I swear, you come across like Jon Lovitz's "gay bee" sketch on SNL.
"Is that so wrrrrong???"
You god Free Speech is limited by the fallible human tongue that runs it. It's a powerful weapon in its own right. It can inspire a crowd to do many things you wouldn't dare question "Is that so wrrrrong" to in public.
But I'm sorry, you're claiming you don't know enough about free speech to make an informed decision.
Then why defend it to begin with? Are you calling the validity of the article into question?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Fill in the blank Shawn:
March 8, 2008 - 17:45 ET by shawn228Fill in the blank Shawn: "Free speech in the topic of porn should be limitless, except in the case of anything that is against the law
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Just keep chanting
March 8, 2008 - 19:30 ET by tracheostomyJust keep chanting it Shawn: "Am-ster-dam, Am-ster-dam!"
LOLLLZ!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
North Carolina may have
March 8, 2008 - 16:37 ET by Clear thinkerNorth Carolina may have beaten Yale to the punch! See link.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9ECBFEE6-5AAA-4BF5-9606-CD38AC22D70F
"Abstain from McCain"
I just LOVE Mike Adams! He
March 8, 2008 - 16:44 ET by motherbeltI just LOVE Mike Adams! He is a lone voice of reason when it comes to colleges...if you read his columns on townhall.com, you will get a real education in what's going on on some of these campuses. And he regularly thrashes his own UNCW too...and names names! He must have iron-clad tenure...either that or they are afraid of the firestorm they would unleash if they fired him! LOL
motherbelt... They have
March 8, 2008 - 17:29 ET by Clear thinkermotherbelt...
They have tried everything to fire him, but they can't get anything to stick. He's too smart for them, and the lefty professors HATE him. All the more reason to love the guy.
"Abstain from McCain"
Where are the grownups?
March 8, 2008 - 16:51 ET by balboaWhere are the grownups?
They're there, but do they have to step in? Seems like the college students handled the situation on their own. Surely you don't want Yale to be a 'nanny state' where the administration handles everything.
Isn’t there a one questioning his return on the annual $45,000 investment in "education"?
Sex Week isn't part of your $45,000 investment. It's not a mandatory part of the curriculum. It's an extracurricular.
Where are the administrators?
Again, why?
Is there anyone at Yale who can provide students with a more rational voice than a hardcore pornographer?
For Sex Week? Sure. But the organizers chose him. Obviously it was a mistake. People make those from time to time.
awesome post Bal
March 8, 2008 - 16:55 ET by shawn228As usual, the moral police always have to get involved.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Wait until these "kids" get into corporate America
March 8, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Free StinkerWait until these "kids" get into corporate America where there is mandatory sexual harasement awareness training, and they have "hotlines" to report harassment.
Nowhere I have ever worked or consulted would hire a kid with "Boink" on his resume.
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
freestinker
March 8, 2008 - 17:20 ET by shawn228There is a difference between how you conduct yourself in the bedroom than the boardroom. That is why it is a office no no to get smashed at the company Christmas party.
Also do you work or consult for a journalist company?
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Shawn
March 8, 2008 - 17:27 ET by Free StinkerAlso do you work or consult for a journalist company?
No. But you will notice in the quote below, they aren't singling out Jouralistic corporations . . ."the business world" means everywhere.
The fileds of companies I've worked for includes: food, automotive, healthcare, insurance, housing, travel/entertainment, electronics, and financial.
these enterprising students . . . consider their
sex-magazine careers in college to be building blocks for the business
world.
Maybe I would not base hiring someone for working at boink
March 8, 2008 - 17:30 ET by shawn228........But that does not mean I would deny the chance of employment for that sole reason either.
That's what the students
March 8, 2008 - 17:41 ET by tracheostomyThat's what the students padding their resumes with it are hoping for.
It's not the golden ticket, but something to make it look better.
Just work it in toward the bottom. . .
"Magazine/Publication Editor for 2008 edition of college publication [Boink Weekly]" <-- use smaller font
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Is the company you work for
March 8, 2008 - 17:45 ET by Free StinkerIs the company you work for public? What stock symbol?
I want to make sure I'm not invested in it.
kind of a cheap shot free
March 8, 2008 - 17:49 ET by shawn228Come on free what kind of argument is that? First i don't make the hiring and firing decisions, second, you would deny employment because you saw the "boink" in their resume?
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Not a cheap shot. Just protecting my assests.
March 8, 2008 - 17:54 ET by Free StinkerI was consulting somewhwere, and they looked at one guy's resume. They didn't even offer an interview because he was tech support for a porn web site.
I happen to feel that they way it is handled is way overboard, but Corporate America doesn't want to be involved in sexual harrasment lawsuits.
free
March 8, 2008 - 17:59 ET by shawn228If a person worked for tech support for a porn company I do not see how that would evolve to a sexual harrasment suit. You are right to feel that was overboard.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
And yet, Shawn insists on
March 8, 2008 - 17:55 ET by tracheostomyAnd yet, Shawn insists on hypothetically sitting himself in the chair of the HR director himself.
S: . . .you would deny employment because you saw the "boink" in their resume?
And you as HR director wouldn't even question what it was? Just to inquire further if it's legit experience?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Shawn?
March 8, 2008 - 18:09 ET by tracheostomyS: There is a difference between how you conduct yourself in the bedroom than the boardroom.
That's a societal standard and moral judgement.
Who says we can't do otherwise Shawn? Hm? Is that so wrrrong?
Stop dictating societal standards and moral judgements like the rest of us Shawn. Reading your hypocrisy is too much work anyway.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
trach?
March 8, 2008 - 18:13 ET by shawn228Your arguments have got to be as frustrating as anyone I have ever debated on Newsbusters.
Who says we can't do otherwise Shawn? Hm? Is that so wrrrong?
The law says so Trach. Like free says, many corporations take sexual harrassment very seriously and they will fire anyone that is caught doing so.
S: Your arguments have
March 8, 2008 - 18:21 ET by tracheostomyS: Your arguments have got to be as frustrating as anyone I have ever debated on Newsbusters.
Why Shawn? Because I'm making you jump from morality to law, and back again? That's cognitive dissonance on your part Shawn, not me.
[T: "Who says we can't do otherwise Shawn? Hm? Is that so wrrrong?"
Shawn: The law says so Trach. Like free says, many corporations take sexual harrassment very seriously and they will fire anyone that is caught doing so.]
Then such a restrictive and prudish law should be overturned, shouldn't it? Why not Shawn? Who says we have to enforce it? Who says we can't do otherwise Shawn? Hm? Is that so wrrrong?
Yep, Candance would just love this little nugget.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
stay on topic trach
March 8, 2008 - 18:27 ET by shawn228Your doing your usual jumping to another topic Trach. The point is that is the current law right now. Your trying to make this about overturning laws. Might make you look better if you stay on topic
It is not just a legal issue, it is a moral one as well. No woman wants to be groped at work...duh.
Nope. Fair is fair. Why
March 8, 2008 - 18:37 ET by tracheostomyNope. Fair is fair. Why do you think the college feminist group objected to begin with?
You can cherrypick any other law you want, and cry "Amsterdam-Amsterdam" in your freedoms thread, because you want your own custom morality.
But somehow, it's a different story here.
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y spells hypocrisy baybee!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
We are not talking about
March 8, 2008 - 18:42 ET by shawn228We are not talking about drugs, prostitution, euthansia or Amsterdam.
We are talking about why someone should act different in the bedroom or the boardroom.
I am not cherry picking anything. Not only are you jumping to other topics, now you are bringing up my thread. tsk tsk trach.
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
LMAO!!!
March 8, 2008 - 18:48 ET by tracheostomyHow blatantly selective of you Shawn.
S: We are not talking about drugs, prostitution, euthansia or Amsterdam.
No, we're talking porn. Another one of your pet topics. That's the one you whine about getting kicked in the nuts about, isn't it?
S: We are talking about why someone should act different in the bedroom or the boardroom.
Why shouldn't they? How are you not dictating a moral-societal absolute on the rest of the board, Shawn? Are you saying, "as long as someone ______" to us?
Stop placing moral LIMITS Shawn! Laws are birthed and buried from moral edicts like yours, Shawn.
Stop preaching your morality to us Shawn!
Nyah!
LOL!
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Do you want a shovel trach?
March 8, 2008 - 18:57 ET by shawn228You tend to love digging up a dead horse. One more time, we are not talking about changing the law, we are talking about what you do on your free time and what you do in your work life.
I'm not putting any moral limits on you at all. I will thank you a second time for keeping your post to a reasonable length today.
S: You tend to love
March 8, 2008 - 19:05 ET by tracheostomyS: You tend to love digging up a dead horse.
Still galloping since last week or so. Plus it's part of your living agenda; your grand contribution to society via your incorruptible free speech.
S: One more time, we are not talking about changing the law, we are talking about what you do on your free time and what you do in your work life.
One more time: You Shawn, are referring to a moral-societal absolute as the crux of your argument. And then I ask, "Is that so wrrrong?"
Fun, isn't it? I can do it all day just like you and run you all around in circles with it. Just repeating it over and over. Just like you do. . .a lot.
S: I'm not putting any moral limits on you at all. I will thank you a second time for keeping your post to a reasonable length today.
Is having posts with a lot of pertinent content so wrrrong Shawn? What right have you to judge, Shawn?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
You can go around in
March 8, 2008 - 19:11 ET by shawn228You can go around in circles all you like Trach, this is not my thread. Talk to you later
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Y'all come back now, y'heah?
March 8, 2008 - 19:18 ET by tracheostomyWhat's your hurry Shawn? Afraid I'm establishing your pattern of behavior? That's exactly what I'm doing. Now all your opponents can use this against you.
Just remember not to preach your moral standard on us Shawn. Don't make any long posts stating a behavior should differ according to environment.
Tsk-tsk. Now you go and think about the naughty thing you've done, young man.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y spells
March 8, 2008 - 18:45 ET by balboaH-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y spells hypocrisy baybee!
Actually... :-D
I shouldn't mock excitedly
March 8, 2008 - 18:52 ET by tracheostomyI shouldn't mock excitedly then. I lose control, start making typos, and then the libs can capitalize on it to cover the only sin they acknowledge nowadays.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I couldn't resist, trach!
March 8, 2008 - 18:59 ET by balboaI couldn't resist, trach!
Bal, you're forgiven on the
March 8, 2008 - 19:08 ET by tracheostomyBal, you're forgiven on the spot.
It's a mere peccadillo compared to what I'm hanging Shawn with.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Really? I can imagine these
March 8, 2008 - 17:39 ET by balboaReally? I can imagine these kids wouldn't have much trouble getting jobs.
What does sexual harassment have to do with this?
He's saying the behavior
March 8, 2008 - 17:45 ET by tracheostomyHe's saying the behavior established on campus will bleed over into the rest of life, including later on in the job environment.
Or just simply, old habits die hard.
Does this mean he's saying a former student will try to stage an on-camera orgy? No, but the harassment suits will be filed regardless because the environment won't be as laid back as they're used to.
Furthermore, some might feel the need to "stick it to the man" in the name of free speech.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
There's nothing about
March 8, 2008 - 17:54 ET by balboaThere's nothing about running this magazine that suggests these students engage in behavior that would seen as sexual harassment. Just because you publish a magazine about sex doesn't mean you're going to walk around talking about people's "cans" or grabbing people inappropriately in a different environment.
You don't work in Corporate
March 8, 2008 - 17:46 ET by Free StinkerYou don't work in Corporate America, do you?
Just a guess.
I don't right now, but I did
March 8, 2008 - 17:52 ET by balboaI don't right now, but I did for a long time. They're not going to work for IBM, but I'm sure there's a corporation out there more than willing to hire go-getters like these guys.
Bal
March 8, 2008 - 17:56 ET by Free StinkerYou're probalbly right about that.
I just haven't worked at a place like that myself. From what I've seen, these guys would be SOL.
C'mon Bal. Why are they
March 8, 2008 - 17:57 ET by tracheostomyC'mon Bal. Why are they in Yale again?
You saying they're all going into politics?
(God forbid)
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Wait, are we talking about
March 8, 2008 - 17:58 ET by balboaWait, are we talking about the creators of Boink magazine (from BU) or the organizers of Sex Week At Yale? Or both?
Okay, no problem. We can
March 8, 2008 - 18:03 ET by tracheostomyOkay, no problem. We can switch schools. Boston U as an example actually works better for Free anyway.
And Brent is referring to both as part of a theme. It's called a theme, Bal.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I was addressing you in my
March 8, 2008 - 18:08 ET by balboaI was addressing you in my last post, not Brent. I know what a theme is.
Students from Yale don't all jump into corporate America as a rule. I'd imagine the same is true for BU.
Stop isolating the job
March 8, 2008 - 18:11 ET by tracheostomyStop isolating the job market for argument's sake Bal. Who runs the lion's share of the job market, and who needs the most lawyers Bal?
Corporate America.
Case closed. Move on.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
That's fine. My point still
March 8, 2008 - 18:15 ET by balboaThat's fine. My point still stands: These students aren't going to have trouble finding jobs when they graduate because of SWAY or Boink.
Your point still stands as
March 8, 2008 - 18:25 ET by tracheostomyYour point still stands as long as they aren't using it to pad their resumes with.
But. . .that was Free's, Brent's, and my point all along to begin with.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Yyyyeah, I don't think that
March 8, 2008 - 18:27 ET by balboaYyyyeah, I don't think that was Brent's point.
Yyyyeah, I don't think you
March 8, 2008 - 18:29 ET by tracheostomyYyyyeah, I don't think you read the first and second paragraph of the blog either.
I respect you Bal; don't make me rub your nose in it. It's right there in front of you.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I read them. (But I think
March 8, 2008 - 18:42 ET by balboaI read them. (But I think Brent's major point is to decry the immoral state of higher education.) I think Alecia's comment about her resume is true, but also something you say to your parents when they disapprove of what you're doing.
And it's hard to say that she did this just for her resume. That's a lot of work, time, and effort to only be for that reason.
"I continually tell my mom
March 8, 2008 - 18:59 ET by tracheostomy"I continually tell my mom this is a great résumé builder," says Alecia Oleyourryk of her career publishing "Boink" magazine at Boston University.
Bal's response: "I think Alecia's comment about her resume is true, but also something you say to your parents when they disapprove of what you're doing."
Translation: She said it, but she didn't really mean it.
Bal: And it's hard to say that she did this just for her resume.
Translation: She said it, but she didn't really mean it.
Bal, Alecia says she tells even her parents (authority figures) to a nationally published article (the public) that is read by other parents.
She meant it. Okay?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I'm sure she meant it. I'm
March 8, 2008 - 19:04 ET by balboaI'm sure she meant it. I'm saying that doesn't necessarily mean it's the ONLY or MAIN reason why she put together this magazine.
I have a hard time, personally, believing that she sat down one day and said, "I really need to build up my resume for when I graduate to help me get a job. How could I do that? I know, I'll start a magazine about sex at college."
That wasn't what the rest
March 8, 2008 - 19:09 ET by tracheostomyThat wasn't what the rest of us were saying either.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Bal
March 8, 2008 - 21:05 ET by RESTLESS 1"Go getters". Now there is a new way of putting it.
Regardless of content,
March 8, 2008 - 21:09 ET by balboaRegardless of content, anyone who starts a magazine in college of this quality is not a slacker.
Quote: To me, talking
March 8, 2008 - 17:05 ET by tracheostomyQuote: To me, talking about sex and one-night stands is superficial. What I keep out of the column is the intimate stuff," says Jenna Bromberg, a sex columnist at Cornell University, adding that she wouldn't write about a serious relationship.
What I wouldn't give right now to get 5 hours with Bromberg, in a lecture hall, with a few hundered of her peers and instructors.*
Brent: Everyone wants to be "cavalier," because anything less makes you Jerry Falwell.
Exactly! It wouldn't be as rampant either if the students didn't feel they had something to prove. The competition of who's more daring is what it's all about.
Hardcore pornographer Paul Thomas was invited to show films and have a question-and-answer session (and plug sales for his Vivid Entertainment DVDs).
And he has reason to be desperate too. Vivid's been hemorrhaging money since the mid-90s.
You know you've totally fallen down the rabbit hole when your heroes are from the Yale Women's Center.
The cure for the problem is not more porn. And it's certainly not pushing boundaries into violent kink either.
And the last two paragraphs here are artfully penned.
Especially: This whole controversy gives off a whiff of the inmates running the asylum.
To expect the Ivy League to reflect traditional values is to dabble in fantasy. But it’s a sad cultural signpost when it’s considered a prudish traditional value to object to films that seek to encourage men to build fantasy scenarios about violent sexual assault.
The goal-posts are still moving. It's as I've said before. The slippery slope argument is not a fallacy when seen in retrospect. Sadly, there's the irony of it all.
-PJ
*No Shawn, I'm not talking about a GB.
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
One guy -- from the porn
March 8, 2008 - 17:25 ET by balboaOne guy -- from the porn industry -- said that Adamo was a prude. That doesn't translate into moving goal posts.
you might have to wait a litte while for your response Bal
March 8, 2008 - 17:35 ET by shawn228Trach has to copy and paste your words and use them against you, and his posts rarely consist of text under a 1000 words.
Yes Trach, the actual number is exaggerated, but it sometimes feels like reading 1000 words ;-)
S: Yes Trach, the actual
March 8, 2008 - 17:49 ET by tracheostomyS: Yes Trach, the actual number is exaggerated, but it sometimes feels like reading 1000 words ;-)
Gosh, I know Shawn. It's such a chore isn't it? Reading my posts, I mean. Right? I mean what a drag. Here I am, using my right to free speech and beating you over the head with it. Wow, someone should have the guts to complain about it, huh?
B: One guy -- from the porn industry -- said that Adamo was a prude. That doesn't translate into moving goal posts.
Relax everyone. Bal sez this is just an isolated incident and not an overarching social liberal ideal.
I smell a Comprehensive List Award here.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
See Trach?
March 8, 2008 - 17:54 ET by shawn228I subliminaly got you to make your post a little shorter. Short and to the point. Great progress fella.
Well this is not my thread so i can ignore you if I like, but I choose not to, because so far your making it interesting today.
I don't mind a long post once in a while, but yours and unsanes are longest I have a ever seen, I mean that in heterara way :-)
America's sweetheart does gangsta rap
Fine. Go ahead and
March 8, 2008 - 17:59 ET by tracheostomyFine. Go ahead and ignore it like you're ignoring the OP. You can even say it's because you're not well enough informed about the topic. I promise, I won't tell. >;)
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
What's going on...
March 8, 2008 - 19:26 ET by PrairieSkyat Yale and at other schools around the country is a perfect illustration of one of the reasons why the culture in America is continuing its slow downward slide into the toilet. We have entire generations that have been and are being raised to believe that absolutely anything goes, anything is acceptable, and there are no such things as too much or going too far. I have a daughter in college, and I began to see this very clearly way back when she was in junior high, and then especially, in high school. The attitude of many of the kids was 'everything goes,' and those who, like my daughter, that objected to the relaxing of, or in some cases, absence of principles and morals, were accused of being prudes and were told to 'lighten up'. She learned early on about this unfortunate "group think" that has taken hold in her generation, and of course in college, it is off the charts, with no parents around to offer any guidance or restrictions. My concern is that this type of thinking extends beyond sexual matters, and reaches into every aspect of these young adults lives. It colors how they deal with other people from an ethical standpoint, and on a very basic level. Many of these young people will be the leaders of this society and this country in a very few short years, and this gives me great cause for worry.
I think that's a lot of
March 8, 2008 - 19:39 ET by balboaI think that's a lot of hyperbole. Yes, these young people will be leaders of this country and society, and they'll do a great job, just as others have for generations.
They have morals, they have standards. For four years those morals might relax as they explore life and question things. But the result will not be whole generations of depraved people.
I like it how some
March 8, 2008 - 19:57 ET by tracheostomyI like it how some people argue that a slippery slope argument is not a cliff.
"But the result will not be whole generations of depraved people."
But it's not called the "slippery cliff" argument now, is it?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Fine. The result will not be
March 8, 2008 - 20:02 ET by balboaFine. The result will not be a slow sinking into the bog of eternal stench by the American people, some time down the road.