free of charge of course:)

i want a nice big house on the ocean too

Syrius,

Every sector of humanity throught out human history has tried to justify the mudering of millions of innocent humans by dehumanizing them, by calling them something other than human.  You see, they don't want to feel guilty by acknowledging that they are killing humans, so it is easier to call them something else.  The Nazis did it, slaver owners did it, the Soviet Union did it, Mao Tsung did it, and Liberals who are pro-abortion are doing it today.

and with your grand, but simplistic plan of supporting excellent medical care for all, do tell, how do you plan to fund it?  I guess by taxing the hell out of everyone, right? 

How about this, how about supporting both, the health and good medical conditions of ALL human beings until they reach adulthood?  hmmm....that's too much to ask from a Liberal, right? 

and let us not forget that we all have the right to, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness....unless of course you are a human being that happens to be in the womb of a woman, right Syrius?  So much for Liberals caring for the rights of human beings in the USA. 

This is "your" 8 week "fetus"...

http://www.pathlight...

...looks like a human "baby" to me!

v

It's only a "baby" if it has a "mother" who wants it. If not, it's a "fetus" and a "woman." Got it? motherbelt

To all of you with boiling blood,

You have no right in forcing a woman into not having an abortion. It's a pure personal issue and will not be solved here.

Personally, an abortion should be used as a last resort & is to be the mother's decision, no one else's, period. (except in the case of doctor's decision to save the Mother if she were to be incapacitated).

I speak from personal family experience. My Grandmother was about to give birth. Her health and the baby's was in jeopardy. The Catholic priest came out to tell my Grandfather the news. The priest told my Grandfather of the decision to save the child instead of my Grandmother according to Catholic doctrine on saving the child's life over the Mother's life. Would you like to know what happen next? My Grandfather grabbed the priest by the neck, lifted him off the floor, and kindly reminded him of the 4 children who were about to be Motherless. My Grandmother survived. She continued attending the church, was strong in her faith & was a fantastic Grandmother.

I'd suggest reading some studies on the abortion issue from the other side or from the center of the debate, but, I'm sure you'll only read what you want to believe.

Try this... http://freakonomics....

Or better yet...

"The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by
denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm
medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved.
Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a
distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental
and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the
distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and
there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable,
psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in
this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed
motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her
responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation."- Justice Blackmun

So the debate will rage on...

Syrius

"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices
of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for
the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the
fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various
countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a
grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." -Albert
Einstein, letter, 1954

We should be flying our flag, across the country, at half-mast until abortion "choice" is ended.

v

It's only a "baby" if it has a "mother" who wants it. If not, it's a "fetus" and a "woman." Got it? motherbelt

Well said Truth.....

but don't forget, to pro-abortionists, to pro-baby killers, these numbers mean nothing. 

It is sad....I have always believed that God measures the morality of any nation according to how we take care of our weak and helpless......

God help the United States and most nations in the world, and the question is....what have we, those of us who know abortion is wrong and evil, done to stop it? 

the difference is government dehumanizing, torturing, and then killing mass populations of its citizens. The SS isn't forcing mothers to kill their babies...rather the individual is convinced that the fetus is not a human and so the individual dehumanizes, tortures and then kill their baby.

You know, at the start of the post, I was about to challenge you on the comparison, that it isn't a very good comparison...but when you include that there are parts of our government that gains power from these human sacrifices the comparison is accurate and sad. Even though its still the individual who makes the decision ( versus direct government SS officials ) we have our own SS officials that encourages and sanctions abortions on demand...no matter what.

RD...

Now if that isn't an excellent way to put all of this, I don't know what would be, you hit the nail right on the head.

to correct the president's name in your last paragraph.  I believe you wanted to say Carter, not Clinton.  Haven't heard WJC mention anything about protecting the unborn child recently.

While it is true that the word "fetus" (also "embryo") is accurate, it is more properly used in a clinical context, and even so, it is more accurate to say "human fetus" (the term fetus by itself is generic and may apply to other animals, whereas "baby" is already a human term). 

The MSM, liberal politicians, abortionists, pro-choice activists, etc. employ the word "fetus" precisely because it has a sterile, clinical, laboratory "sound" to it.  They understand the nuances of language and they use it to their advantage.  Note they do not strive to call the "pregnant woman" (aka, "mother") a "gestating female homo sapiens," even though that is technically correct terminology.  Such clinical terminology has a dehumanizing effect, because natural science seeks to provide an objective description of things -- in the raw-eyes of physics, we are all just a complex collection of celluar mass undergoing chemical reactions feeding off negative entropy. 

Medical practice, however, should not be too eager to totally divorce itself from the human element, as it exists in service to the human person.  I, for one, do not want for a surgeon to regard me as "a male homo sapiens specimen," even though such terminology is techincally correct and accurate.  I want him to regard me as a person.

That said, however, pro-lifers should not fear words such as "fetus" and "embryo," as these will continue to be terms used by the MSM and in public discourse -- let us remind those who want to sanitize the subject that underneath the technical lingo we are talking about pre-born human beings.