TV Pundits, Left and Right, Insist Gingrich Cannot Win, Would Drag Down Entire Party in Fall
Given his high unfavorable rating, Newt Gingrich “cannot win a national election,” MSNBC’s very liberal host Lawrence O’Donnell insisted early Saturday night when it became clear Gingrich would win the South Carolina primary, “it’s impossible.” O’Donnell’s assessment, however, is held beyond left-wingers animating MSNBC shows.
Saturday night, Fox News veteran Brit Hume asserted: “Republicans in Congress will be terrified to run with this man for fear they will lose the House and the Senate.” Sunday morning on ABC, George Will imagined “people are waking up who are running for office as Republicans – from dog-catcher to Senate – and they’re saying, ‘good God, Newt Gingrich might be at top of this ticket.’”
Over on NBC’s Meet the Press, nominal conservative Joe Scarborough announced “Republicans are panicked in Washington, DC, for good reason.” Minutes later, Republican strategist Mike Murphy contended: “Newt Gingrich cannot carry in a general election a swing state that were made of feathers. This is a fact of politics.”
Earlier on that program, David Gregory presented Gingrich with the electability issue the media make every time a conservative rises against a more moderate alternative, reading to him from a newspaper story titled, “The winner in South Carolina was Barack Obama,” which quoted an un-named Republican who supports Romney as warning: “Newt means losing 45 states.”
Fox News Senior Political Analyst Brit Hume, just before FNC wrapped-up coverage at 10 PM EST Saturday night:
There will be more to the case to be made against Newt Gingrich as a possible nominee by Republican office holders, especially those in the House and the Senate, across the country. And here’s why: From the latest Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll – these numbers will change as they do from time to time – this is favorability versus unfavorability. Mitt Romney, 45 favorable, 38 unfavorable. Ron Paul, 35 favorable, 40 unfavorable. Rick Santorum, 31 favorable, 34 unfavorable. Newt Gingrich 27 percent favorable, 56 percent unfavorable. Believe me, Republicans in Congress will be terrified to run with this man for fear they will lose the House and the Senate. They will begin to do what they can to try to defeat him because they fear he can't win the election and, moreover, he may drag many down to defeat with him. He has a lot of work to do to change their minds. I'm not sure he can.
George Will on ABC’s This Week:
Here’s a small sliver of a silver lining for Mitt Romney: All across the county this morning, people are waking up who are running for office as Republicans – from dog-catcher to Senate – and they’re saying, ‘good God, Newt Gingrich might be at top of this ticket.’ And that can’t make them happy.
MSNBC Morning Joe co-host Joe Scarborough, on NBC’s Meet the Press, argued Gingrich isn’t a conservative:
I will tell you one reason he did not win last night. It wasn’t because he’s a conservative, because Newt’s not a conservative. He uses this resentment, the politics of grievance, to actually hide a record that you can really identify very quickly on Google. The remarkable thing, and this is why Republicans are panicked in Washington, DC , for good reason. Yeah, Mitt Romney supported an individual mandate. Newt Gingrich supported an individual mandate. Newt Gingrich supported cap and trade at one point. So did Mitt Romney. You can go down the list. Of course, you’ve got Ronald Reagan being brushed aside by Mitt Romney, but on this program, just a year ago, you had Newt Gingrich calling Paul Ryan a right-wing radical who’s engaged in social engineering. It is a mess out there. I think you’re going to hear more people like Bill Kristol, Erick Erickson talking about a brokered convention. If Newt Gingrich wins Florida, everything’s up for grabs.
Republican strategist Mike Murphy on Meet the Press:
What Newt is great at, is kind of playing piano of music of resentment in the Republican primary electorate; we’ve got a lot of mad people. But the reason the liquor sales in the last 24 hours have quadrupled in Washington, is truckloads of champagne are going over to the Pelosi office and hard whisky’s going to the Republican office because Newt Gingrich cannot carry in a general election a swing state that were made of feathers. This is a fact of politics.
In an interview earlier in the program, Meet the Press host David Gregory presented the electability argument to Newt Gingrich:
DAVID GREGORY: There are still real questions about your electability. Look at the most recent Fox News poll. Your favorability rating was still high at 56 percent. And there are those who have worked with you, those who know you in the establishment who describe you as radical or risky. This was something that Tom DeFrank wrote today in the New York Daily News, I want to put up a portion of it and have you respond: “‘The winner in South Carolina was Barack Obama,’ prominent Republican strategist glumly volunteered. ‘This plays perfectly into his hands. We've prolonged the process and that's good news for the President.’” It goes on: “‘Newt’s absolutely brilliant,’ recalled an admirer he negotiated with him in Congress. ‘He has 100 ideas, and 97 are real good, the other three will blow up the world.’ So look for more party leaders currently ‘neutral-for-Romney’ to get off the fence to inoculate against a Gingrich surge. ‘Newt means losing 45 states,’ a Mitt-leaning GOPer told the Daily News. ‘It would be a catastrophe for the country.’” So that kind of sums up that establishment view of Newt Gingrich as the nominee.
NEWT GINGRICH: Well, the establishment is right to be worried about a Gingrich nomination, because a Gingrich nomination means we will change things....
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It seems like everyone at the establishment level wants to pick
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 4:38pm.
the candidate for us, Romney. All of a sudden people like this and even Ann Coulter are coming out for this guy after previously calling him a moderate liberal.
They're coming out for Romney
Submitted by goldwater89 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 5:51pm.
They're coming out for Romney because he's the only one that can win.
Huh?
Submitted by retrocon on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:38pm.
This is getting ridiculous... Romney is NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN WIN!
What gives everyone a crystal ball to say this?
Reagan wasn't supposed to win, either...
Bush 2 was hated...
Clinton should not have defeated Bush 1.
What the polls say today is, even by the pollsters standards, not accurate.
Personally, i think ANY conservative will be able to beat Obama.
And frankly, Romney is probably less likely to be able to win than Paul. He is easy to attack at so many levels, has so much that has not been vetted yet.
You have made a definitive statement, that "he's the only one that can win."
Please provide proof.
Of all the candidates on the
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:05am.
Of all the candidates on the right and left, Romney is the brightest, most honest, least indebted to special interests and the most accomplished. He might not solve our problems but he is the most talented and qualified to do so.
It is that simple. You draft for integrity and talent.
you forgot most liberal
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 3:48am.
you forgot most liberal
Don't forget that Romney is a
Submitted by pfwag on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:03pm.
Don't forget that Romney is a nascent god.
News to you...
Submitted by pcnav on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:14pm.
Whether Romney or Gingrich... I will vote for whoever is NOT Obama. You are not taking into account the absolute destructiveness that is Obama. Anyone can beat Obama except Ron Paul because Ron Paul is crazier than Obama.
On Clinton...
Submitted by pcnav on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:12pm.
Clinton never received above 50% of the vote in either of his elections. He used Ross Perot to split the vote against Bush 1 and Dole. That is electioneering, not a true upset. Ross Perot was too stupid to realize he couldn't win and only caused conservative losses.
Hmmm, completely disgree and this has been
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:08am.
said before an we lost quite frankly. Everyone wanted McCain because the poll data and the media felt he was the darling.
Tough shiite.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 4:45pm.
I don't think that there are enough pansy "TV pundits" who can vote against him to keep him from winning.
I think what really pisses them off is the fact that he doesn't kiss their rings like a McCain or Romney. They really have their panties in a twist over Newt, especially since he "Newtered" John King the other night.
Reagan was dissed alot in 1976, even early 1980
Submitted by merly1 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 4:57pm.
It all works out if the candidate has a good message, and clearly explains that message.
The beauty is--> the nominee gets Owebama as his opponent, and that is very good luck!
merly1
Submitted by retrocon on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:56pm.
you are, IMHO, far more logical, direct, and correct than most of the pundits out there.
thank you!
Some have it in for Newt..
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 5:16pm.
personally, but some are looking at the polls and Newt's recent and long run perspective in making their analysis. One primary win is only blip overall.
one primary
Submitted by Huapakechi on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:05pm.
An avalanche starts small, and gathers speed and mass from there.
Newt has had his campaign staff quit, and fought back effectively enough to win the South Carolina state primary decisively. Don't look for him to back off.
Its a lot harder to start..
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:29pm.
an avalanche then you think.
Not really a really loud
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:00pm.
Not really a really loud burst of sound and then the snow comes crashing down. Newt made that sound during the debates.
I will grant you that Newt...
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:58pm.
made a loud noise at the debates and his SC win. But, if you really believe that all it takes is a loud noise to start an avalanche then you have been watching too many Bugs Bunny cartoons.
Dunno, saw an explosion of
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:23pm.
Dunno, saw an explosion of people giving Newt a standing ovation. We will see around summer when the GOP picks its candidate.
He is a avalanche. He will
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:35pm.
He is a avalanche. He will destroy all in his path.
Pffffft!
Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 3:54am.
The Newt hate is strong in this one.
Generally, if the Democrats
Submitted by Slyrr on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 5:51pm.
Generally, if the Democrats and their media slaves are all commanding us to do something, it's a sure bet we should NOT do it. Conversely, if they're warning us NOT to do something, it means they're scared and that we should seriously consider doing whatever it is that scares them.
Like ANY conservatives believe the media when they say stuff like 'If the Republicans want to win the election, here's how'?
Because Obama's media slaves have nothing but the GOP's best interests in their huge, golden hearts.
Is there even ONE poll that
Submitted by goldwater89 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 5:49pm.
Is there even ONE poll that shows Gingrich beating Obama?
I agree with Gov. Christie - he's an embarrassment to the party.
Gov. Christie
Submitted by Huapakechi on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:10pm.
The Governor who refused a pardon to a gun owner who was arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for the 'crime' of complying with his state's gun laws?
Commuting the sentence and allowing the 'judge' to retire is so much more politically correct, but it does not remove the conviction from the victim's record and he is forever prohibited from owning a weapon for that reason.
Yes...
Submitted by retrocon on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:57pm.
we forget, Gov. Christie is NOT a conservative. He is a moderate who is willing to stand up against the media and his opponents.
The only reason that so many repubs have a love affair with Christie is because the only folks he has to speak up against, are liberals and liberal media.
Believe me, if conservatives were challenging him on gun control, or some such issue, he would be equally praised by left for his strong and direct responses.
That pretty much says all
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:34pm.
That pretty much says all that needs to be said. He is an embarassment to republicans everywhere except for South Carolina.
And plenty of posters here that don't mind crapping on everyone.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:25pm.
NewsBusters: TV Pundits, Left and Right, Insist Gingrich Cannot Win, Would Drag Down Entire Party in Fall
We get it buddyc, Newt stole your truck when you were six and never gave it back. Give it a rest. Posting 16 times a week how much Nest sucks gets old even when he ain't running.
That goes for all the other "Newt Sucks" posters. We get it. Now let the rest of us get on with picking a candidate. Or for those three states that have had primaries, SHUT UP. ENOUGH ALREADY.
I loved Newt in 1995 prior to
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:01am.
I loved Newt in 1995 prior to be voted out of the Speaker's office. He is a has been. Time has passed him by. His activities of the last 15 years have not been honorable. I don't admire him any more.
I like your moniker
Submitted by ahusser on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:01pm.
You need to remember the smear job the (then Monopolistic) MSM and the Dems did to Barry Goldwater. Was Goldwater an embarrassment to the party did he want to nuke everybody? Does anyone remember what Newt did as minority speaker of the house in '94. Get off his case. Yes flaws but he stands up and speaks his mind. Not a milquetoasty polite GOP'er that can't beat Obama. I will vote for a Republican toaster over that dangerous fool now in office.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Romney's an embarrassment to
Submitted by mattm on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:18am.
Romney's an embarrassment to the party, too, yet he's the one the GOP insiders seem to be pushing, just like they did McCain, who was also an embarrassment (of course they claim Palin was the embarrassment, but she was actually set up to be discredited as punishment for taking out a corrupt GOP insider).
There's enough embarrassment to go around, for BOTH parties. (Of course the dems never seem to be portrayed as such.)
Bush, who turned out to be another embarrassment (although not for the reasons the libtards claim), had 4 years during which he had a GOP congress, yet not one single plank of the GOP platform was implemented.
Instead, the RINOs and the dems out-spent every previous administration combined. Then the dems take congress (practically by default) and then the presidency (by the wrath of God, perhaps) and promptly out-spend ALL previous administrations combined - including Bush.
Thus, the TEA Party is born. Not because of Obama's race - or because of Obama specifically at all, it's about whether we're going to have a United States of America anymore. It's looking pretty bleak.
It would be fun to see Newt
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 6:09pm.
It would be fun to see Newt holding up his version of "Dewey defeats Truman!!".
And sorry Mr. Hume, those Republicans in the House and Senate better be afraid. We are sick and tired of them ignoring the people that put them in office and treating us with contempt.
Every day they should be passing bills to repeal Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. They should be pushing Paul Ryans budget constantly. If they were to do that they would see their constiuents fighting the libturds tooth and nail to keep them in office.
NO MORE COMPROMISING!!!!!!!
Scoobs
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 6:43pm.
On FNS today, I saw John Boehner state that on Tuesday, it will be the 1,000th day the Democrat controlled Senate has failed to pass a budget. The House has sent 30 jobs bills up to the Senate, only to have Reid sit on them.
The (R)'s better start slinging that fact around on a daily basis. The Democrat Senate is the DO NOTHING Congress.
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Sickening B, and the libturds
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 6:58pm.
Sickening B, and the libturds say the GOP are the obstructionists?
You know, it would be funny if on every news show the Republican/Conservative starts off with "I just want to remind you all that is has now been x number of days since the Democrats have passed a budget".
That and to remind everyone that the Dims held the purse strings from Jan 2007 - Jan 2011.
Besides winning the White House we need to take complete control of the House and Senate with Tea Party candidates. The survival of our country depends on that.
Newt
Submitted by mmilesll on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 6:21pm.
I wonder how many of these "DC/NYC Rino's said the same thing about Reagan.
establishment
Submitted by Huapakechi on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 6:57pm.
The really curious thing is that the media and pundits are continually telling us what we want, what they don't want, and how the people we want cannot possibly win against the democrats. It's almost as if they are both sub sects of the same political party, only differing in how swiftly their agenda is implemented.
Am I too forward in thinking that the democrats and 'moderates' are attempting to pick the candidate that they want to run against obama, just like they did in 2008 when mccain was arguably the worst possible pick? Now they bay and caterwaul that Gingritch can't possibly win because he has 'baggage'. Are they hoping to run their boy against a 'republican' former governor of an extremely liberal state, one who is cast in the same mold as "Ahnold" Schwarzenegger?
After observing the machinations of the pundits and republican party leadership over the years, I've come to the conclusion they're scared to death that another President as effective as Ronald Reagan might be elected.
That's what I've been trying
Submitted by mattm on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:30am.
That's what I've been trying to say. They've done it for years. In 1976 we got Ford - an absolute dolt. In '96 it was Bob Dole. In 2000 it was W...who was not the most conservative candidate available. (And he barely beat an idiot who makes Forrest Gump sound like a genius)....then McCain, and now who? Romney? Maybe the RINOs should save the government some money and just forfeit this one. It won't matter anyway, because no RINO is going to repeal Obamacare, roll-back the "stimulus" spending, OK the pipeline,etc. etc. They'll just continue the current obamanation...
Ford was appointed because he
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 3:58am.
Ford was appointed because he was a dolt. But he was appointed and there was no election. He lost the only Presidential election he was in. Here is the skinny on Leslie Lynch King, Jr.
To All Trolls, Leftists, And Establishment Repubs/RINO's
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:11pm.
All who have been crowing about the negative electability ratings of Gingrich, including the "show me a poll" trolls, well your rebukes have been answered by South Carolinians. Not only did South Carolinians overwhelmingly vote across SC for Gingrich they also rate "electability" higher on their list than voters in Iowa and New Hampshire. Mitt received his typical 20-some percent statewide, even in wealthier communities. Guess love isn't the only thing money can't buy.
Hat tip to Free Republic for the Wall Street Journal article and the county by county results.
Newt is a baggage train on
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:32pm.
Newt is a baggage train on the track to nowhere. South Carolinians should be ashamed of themselves. He is has been with only a backward view who has been a bagman for special interests for the last 15 years. He lacks integrity. He might turn on some 50 year old toothless hillbilly but the women in America will want nothing to do with him for what he has done to at least 2 of his wives. He lacks the sex appeal of Bill Clinton.
Obama will win 40 states and 350 electoral votes even if the economy gets worse.
Newt brags about beating Obama in debates. Even assuming that were true, with our economic problems, with Newt not being particularly physically attractive debate ability alone (and really that is all there is) will not win for Republicans.
I weep for the USA that our choice will be between a socialist radical and an incompetent womanizing crook. I can't wait.
"He lacks the sex appeal of
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:04pm.
"He lacks the sex appeal of Bill Clinton."
Have you seen slick Willy recently?
He looks like Newt's DAD. And Newt's 68.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Without his hairpiece I'll
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:00am.
Without his hairpiece I'll bet Newt looks 90. He is fat and unattractive. Bill is slim cut and nice looking.
He and Newt are both dishonest and lying political pieces of $hit.
Knock if off already.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 10:44am.
There is disagreement and then there is slander and slurs by an anonymous asshole that knows anonymity protects him from blowback.
Interesting "type" breakdown
Submitted by Blonde on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:35pm.
Boom Towns, Wealthy Burbs, Evangelical, etc.
Pretty much Newt cut across the stereotypical voter, didn't he?
I think Florida is going to be THE indicator of how this is going to go.
While I've been leaning Newt, I would still consider myself in the undecided/late decider category. If Mitt would just get fired up (as he did a couple of times during the debate) and let loose, instead of being Mr. In Control all the time, he'd make me a whole lot happier. You can't win if you fear losing.
I am not surprised that neither Jeb Bush (who IS a Bush, after all) and Marco Rubio are not endorsing.
In Bush's case, I think he'd like to endorse Romney, but won't for fear it will hurt his own political capital if Romney flames out here in Florida. And I doubt Marco would endorse before the voters here voice their preferences at the polls....he was torched by John Cornyn when he first announced and Cornyn (on behalf of the SRC, I might add) endorsed the RINO McCrist. He's a smart guy.
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Blonde
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:45pm.
I liked the "community" breakdowns, especially as it gave us a snapshot of how traditional Conservative groups like the Military and Evangelicals regarded the vote en bloc. Newt by far, including women despite the propaganda that persists on this forum to the contrary.
Florida will be a huge test for Newt. Aren't there two more debates beforehand? Romney has an opportunity to regain frontrunner status with energetic debate performances - the thing that raised Newt up - but Mitt also is such a well known quantity that it's hard to call the vote at this point.
Another turn in Romney's favor is Gingrich is not on Virgina's and Missouri's ballots. That loss of precious voter consciousness could harm Newt's run. Out of sight, out of mind, out of the running. A cold reboot in the race does not sound like a good thing.
Mitt, Newt and Rick all have pluses and minuses. Each will make mistakes and disappoint us if elected. My problem with Mitt is he is a quintessential 'go along to get along' guy with the Left. His record is hardly Conservative, the biggest elephant in the room is RomneyCare where he had to be led to say anything negative about, which I'm still not convinced he has or believes.
Newt has the proven track record of bending elbows and passing Conservative legislation. Romney and Santorum do not. We need an arm twister and a bluntly honest individual to wrangle the DC inner sanctum pols. He is feared more for what he will do to the establishment politicians and media than any blow up he might experience IMO. They hated him, worked to get rid of him and, if President, they will fear payback.
Why would the Left fear Newt if he is as cozy to AGW, Marxism, big government, the Media, leftist authors, illegal immigrants, and more? Because Newt tries on many different hats, due to his academic and intellectual blueprinting, he seems anathema to Conservatives, but his record of votes and accomplishments are about as Conservative as any politician.
I'm girding my loins for the breaks from Conservatism Gingrich will pay lip service to at one time or another as president. He will do things we won't like. All of them will say and do things we don't like. Newt, however, has the experience and the capacity to not only confront big issues and reinvigorate traditional Constitutional America but also change position when he's strayed from the Conservative reservation.
That said, I will robustly support Newt, Mitt or Rick if they win the nomination. Like Mark Levine says, I'd vote for an orange juice can against Obama.
Its gonna come down to the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:02pm.
Its gonna come down to the wire at the convention. It might be Ron Paul will be king maker at the convention, which is not a bad thing depending on what he extracts from the winner. The main thing about Paul is his loony foriegn policy and his views on legalization of drugs. I dont like his illegal stand either.
I Hope
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:31pm.
Ron Paul has zero influence in the end.
We can't strip away the parts we don't like. We must accept each other as the sum of good and not so good. IMO, any good within Paul's positions are tsunamied by the bad in both his domestic and foreign positions. Paul's temperament is also bothersome to me. He's the crazy Uncle Carl your dear good-hearted mother always made sure to invite on holidays and the reason why everyone drew straws to see who had to sit next to him. I don't want crazy Uncle Carl making life decisions for me.
No, I don't have a crazy Uncle Carl and we never drew straws, but every family has someone like him.
I have a feeling Paul's will
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:43pm.
I have a feeling Paul's will continue to make a good showing and with proportionals votes will make waves with them.
Indeed the "show me the poll"
Submitted by ThePickle on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:38pm.
Indeed the "show me the poll" types seem to forget that in the end there is only ONE poll that counts worth a damn and that is the results of ACTUAL elections.
Amen
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:58pm.
ThePickle
You're delusional. You don't
Submitted by goldwater89 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:03pm.
You're delusional. You don't go from losing EVERY SINGLE poll (by a substantial margin) right up until the election and then come out winning. That's not reality. His numbers amongst Independents are horrendous. Some of you sound like the McGovern and Mondale supporters who right up until the day of the election would've bet their lives that they would win.
Latest poll has Newt losing by 17 (Same poll has Romney winning by 2). He's getting his butt kicked even in a Rasmussen poll!
http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2012.01.19_Presiden...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/electi...
Are you familiar with the phrase "Vote for the most Conservative candidate that can win?"
Geesh
Submitted by retrocon on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 11:07pm.
We haven't even gotten past the primaries. Every pollster admits that until we have a candidate, their "can they beat the incumbent" polling is useless.
So much happens as the party merges around a single candidate.
Look, i'm not a Newty... i'm liking him more and more, but i do remember some of his shortcomings, some of his poorer decisions.
But if he means what he says at this time and place, he has a better message than Romney, who has is pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-government mandates for healthcare, and, outside of campaigning, probably hasn't eaten dinner with anyone who wasn't a millionaire in years.
No, absent Santorum getting de-nerded, Paul figuring out foreign policy, or Sarah entering the race, i'm leaning toward Newt at this point.
Things Change
Submitted by ThePickle on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:02pm.
"You're delusional. You don't go from losing EVERY SINGLE poll (by a substantial margin) right up until the election and then come out winning."
Your pedantic prognostication seems to assume that since Newt has been losing in EVERY SINGLE poll to date that he will continue to lose.
I am interested how you you even arrived at this oh so amusing conclusion as, if I am remembering correctly, as little as two days before the final debate in South Carolina Newt was 'polling' some 14% behind Romney. We saw how indicative of the actual results that 'poll' was.
And less than two weeks ago Romney enjoyed a 22% lead over Gingrich in Florida while after the South Carolina primary results Newt now has a 9% point advantage in the latest Rasmusen Poll.
Polls are a small snap shots of the trending attitudes of voters at that moment in time and only 'delusional fools' rely on them to make projections of future trends. Things change and what is true today is not necessarily true two months from now. When nearly the entirety of Newts campaign staff walked away a few months ago did anyone really think that he would remain a viable candidate two months later.
So while you may think that your delusional wishful thinking constitutes fact, the actual facts are that Newt Gingrich is, at this point in time, gaining stream and momentum and is looking to take another primary in Florida. What may or may not happen after that is pure speculation, be it continued success or dismal failure.
Well, if the TV pundits and
Submitted by mattm on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:21pm.
Well, if the TV pundits and insiders say it....
From the moment FDR entered
Submitted by jkwtrading on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 7:54pm.
From the moment FDR entered the 1928 presidential race (vice president) to his own election as president in 1932, he was considered to be beaten. of course he won then was considered unbeatable or what or how we view him today.
Choose this day whom you will serve
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:15pm.
We have primaries and then the party leaders tell us we are voting wrong. Instead of scolding us they should get out on the campaign trail and campaign out in the open for their candidate.
It's no wonder the Conservatives have such a tough time. First we battle the media and the entrenched Republican establishment and then after that gauntlet face the general election.
But here's a really big question.... IF the Republican establishment really really wanted a true Conservative wouldn't they have sought out and promoted one? OR... is it because our Republican establishment is not Conservative but is actually made up of Moderates? Do they really believe Newt can't win or are they afraid he will win and pull the Party towards the Conservatives?
You really believe Newt "we
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:36pm.
You really believe Newt "we need cap/trade" "Fan/Fred owns me" Gingrich is a conservative?
It would be funny if it were not so sad.
sure..
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:47pm.
There are days Newt is a Conservative. And that is more than can be said of Romney.
Again
Submitted by ahusser on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:00pm.
Remember that Newt has the political experience in Congress. He was Speaker of the House for @#$@#$sakes. He as the minority leader led the '94 revolution which for the first time in umpteen years that Republicans won both houses of congress, do not sell his abilities short he is an experienced politician able to think and speak on his feet. He can energize. Play political hardball, Can play to the crowd, can sell a point of view. Romney is another McCain kind of milquetoasty GOP'er that is ultimately a loser. The only point I will concede about Romney is he may be able to pull in the Independent's, fence sitters and middle of the roaders which are absolutely necessary to win this election for our side. But if Newt gets going he can sell it to those folks too. I am sorry a real conservative's conservative isn't going to win, can never win with the entitlement crowd as large as it is with all the blacks, most of the hispanic, and youth, union and old line Democrats voting as expected. MSM will pull out all the stops and paint the GOP candidate as racist, rich, obstructionist, fascist or whatever to divide, and invoke class hatred to scare the electorate. Ron Paul cannot do anything but divide the vote. The Tea Party have been labeled and marginalized as "nuts" and no matter how wrong or unfair that characterization is the label has stuck after the left has repeatedly hammered that false message until now it has become "true". If we don't have a candidate who can fight back we will lose and wonder how it happened.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Republican Establishment
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:56pm.
Precisely. They fear job security. Like Mitt, Newt will appreciate the ability to (help us) fire people who do not work.
And this is news?
Submitted by KyWriter on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:15pm.
Newt knows this and has known it from the start of his campaign. In fact, he was the only one of the Republican candidates who knew that his fight would be in two waves. The Democrats are using the media as the vanguard of the attack, desperately hoping that the left or the right will remove him before he comes after Obama. As that is increasingly unlikely, it would appear that the first wave will crumble. In military terms, their reserve force is completely inadequate: their only "asset" is Obama.
Is it time for a Patton?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:33pm.
Newt is in it to win. Whatever it takes.
Romney is willing to lose with honor. That was the mindset of GWB in his second term. New Tone it was called. It gave us obama.
It's Juan McRomney all over
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:58pm.
It's Juan McRomney all over again.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Having watched Britt Hulme
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 8:57pm.
Having watched Britt Hulme fuming over Newton, I had to laugh.
He looked like Hannibal Lecter had just made him eat a dog turd, with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
Zero attempt to be in the slightest way gracious about Newt's stunning turn around.
It would have been nice to have a little decorum from him. It he carries on like that Rep crowds will be booing HIM too, soon.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
I listened to Newts
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:05pm.
I listened to Newts description of his illegal alien plan and actually liked it. It may work.
Dan -- that's a novel idea,
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:08pm.
Dan -- that's a novel idea, listening to the candidate's platform and deciding on that basis!
I have a feeling that both Mitt and Newt have a better idea on just about anything compared to the crypto-socialist currently in the White House.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
It won't work
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:24pm.
Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. It will be a complete failure. Amnesty....and it is amnesty....will be a disaster. Here's a novel idea....how about we do what's right for a change instead of pandering and giving away handouts to people who aren't entitled to them?
The key
Submitted by texasborngranny on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:16pm.
to immigration policy that strengthens our borders, removes illegal aliens from our country and prosecutes employers for hiring illegals is in the congress. If we elect and seat many more conservatives, we will be able to solve the illegal alien problem, in spite of who is president. This also applies to other issues. We can't neglect any of the other than presidential races. They're all important; from school board, to city council, to state legislators, to US Congress!
It is absolutely impossible
Submitted by ahusser on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:52pm.
with present day laws to remove all the illegal aliens from this country. It is imperative to stop the flow of illegals and to enforce immigration law and strengthen the borders.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
just because we might not be able to
Submitted by texasborngranny on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 1:35pm.
remove all illegal aliens is doesn't mean we should not remove as many as possible.
When I say almost impossible
Submitted by ahusser on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 10:22am.
The number of illegal aliens able to be removed in a year would be minuscule compared to the number already here. Right now it is more important to police our borders and stop the flow to a trickle or less and then deal with what and who are here. Every illegal alien in this country, once past the border and the Border Patrol's jurisdiction, has the right to a deportation hearing. This entails a judge, prosecutor, usually a paid interpreter, defense attorney and other courtroom trappings. Only INS agents can enforce Immigration law. Other state and local law enforcement may arrest illegals for other crimes including having false documents and if they are suspected as having violated immigration laws, they can refer them to the local INS office but the actual proceeding have to be initiated by the INS. Aside from the enormous cost, there are not enough judges, INS agents, courts, in this country to handle the thrown out number of 12 or more millions of illegals already here. This is why most agents focus there efforts on violent, organized crime types who are illegally in this country. The law abiding illegal is generally ignored except for occasional show raids on restaurants or sweat shops. We, in this country, do not have to have, a national ID card, so proving you are a citizen could be problematical for any citizen. Mass roundups and summarily deporting folks without a court hearing should never happen or be tolerated in this country. Our side doesn't believe the "...ends justify the means..."
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
The Pundits and Trolls on this site
Submitted by Bodini on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:14pm.
The media-Pundits and the few Trolls on this site underestimate the power of the "once silent majority." The vast left-wing conspiracy to marginalize the American Thinker has not worked and will not work this time! The Tea Party is alive and well.
Have any of these pundits
Submitted by Reaver on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 9:50pm.
Have any of these pundits ever said that Obama can’t win reelection or that his candidacy will drag down the entire democrat ticket? Just amazing.
huh?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:03pm.
Almost 60,000,000 Americans voted for McCain in 2008. Are the elite Republicans suggesting that millions of these voters will now vote for obama instead of voting for Newt? Newt is so toxic to the average voter compared to the love and support given to McCain? I find that hard to believe.
McCain was honorable, honest,
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:56am.
McCain was honorable, honest, fiscially responsible, not owned by special interests and liked by independents.
Newt is dishornorable, dishonest, fiscally conservative, not liked by independents are in deep debt to special interests.
Honorable and Honest??
Submitted by NVRAT on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 11:16am.
I would be careful here. McCain is owned by the DC Elite Republicans who you believe are protecting your Constitutional Rights. You had better take a look at the voting records and watch what the results were. In 2008 McCain handed the Democrats many nice pieces of legislation that benefited there goals, remember McCain-Feingold, He is so honorable and honest he would not let anyone in his quest for president challenge the establishment or his opponent that did not meet his criteria for being a politician while the Democrats slaughtered him 24/7 at every opportunity. I guess you see where that got you, me and the rest of the country.
Who Cares??
Submitted by Joe W. on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:23pm.
Who cares what Karl Rove, Brit Hume, George Will, Charles Krauthammer or any of these Beltway Republicans think? They live in D.C. and haven't a clue as to the real mood in America. ONE pundit that comes to mind does, and that one is former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. The woman has the pulse of the nation at her fingertips, and she has the ear of real conservatives who are flat out tired of the same old crap being shoved our way by the Washington know-it-alls, who sit on their fat asses and pontificate all day long about how smart they are. Like the old E.F. Hutton commercial: When Sarah Palin talks...people listen...and Sarah said "Newt"....Good enough for me....
Yes, because the perverted
Submitted by buddyc on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:54am.
Yes, because the perverted crook can beat up on John King. That certainly qualifies him to put people back to work.
Enough!
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 10:40am.
Knock it off. Slurs and Slander. Enough Freakshow.
Qualifications
Submitted by NVRAT on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 10:56am.
Who knows what his qualifications are? his ability appears to be the choice. John King was only the start, I don`t see many MSM people rushing to challenging him Face-to Face only slide remarks from the side lines where they can hide if need be.
What bothers me...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 10:35pm.
People like Ann Coulter are burning the bridges to ever supporting Newt. She even trashed the whole state of South Carolina for not voting correctly. She refers to the crowd at the debates as a mob. Talk about out of touch. But like I say Ann cannot take back the personally destructive remarks if Newt is the nominee. What does that say about her opinion of us? Is she really a Conservative or does she just play one on TV?
But then she is 50 years old now and maybe the hormones are beginning to fluctuate.
The same people telling us
Submitted by Van Halen on Sun, 01/22/2012 - 11:49pm.
The same people telling us now that he can't win told us his campaign was finished a long time ago.
What worries me about Newt, aside from his innability to...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:47am.
...administrate - which was part of what brought him down as Speaker, is his tendency to self-destruct.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Sorry, RINOs, it's President Newt
Submitted by deadeyedan on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 1:22am.
Being on the campaign trail with Newt in all four states so far has been a thrill. Being interviewed, even by small-fry reporters, has its charm.
One of those youthful reporters indulged me for quite a while and he asked me what might bother me about the drudgery of a campaign. There were two things that really irked me about politics, I told him; one of them is Democrats, the other is Republican campaign consultants. A close look reveals almost no distinction between them.
The latter of these is precisely what some previous posters have been pointing out - that the advisers are as out of touch as anyone and cannot recognize a real winner like Newt right before their very eyes. Anyone believe in a genuine energy level in a candidate? Of course, they really don't want to acknowledge a genuine conservative, do they?
All the other "conservatives" don't smash-mouth the media, do they? Newt knows the enemy and just how great the depths are that the current administration has brought our nation to. May I suggest supporting the guy who did his best to rectify the country during the '90's, took a beating for it, and yet had the intestinal fortitude to come back and take it on the chin on our behalf again anyway?
Knowing who the enemy is, having an appreciation for the magnitude of the problem and what it will take to overcome it and then articulating it the way Newt does is the ONLY answer.
Et tu, Mz. Coulter?
LIBERALISM - government of the people by the theories and for the ideologists
Scarborough
Submitted by rusino on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 8:16am.
Good grief Scarborough tells us Gingrich is not a Conservative!
Scarborough is not a Republican!
Gingrich cannot win...
Submitted by NVRAT on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 11:40am.
Maybe but, the left is afraid of him and the elite right knows what he is capable of. He showed his conservationism in the ninety's and his knowledge of the Constitution, he had his finger on the pulse of America and directed the American people and Republican Party to overwhelming victory. But, as soon as possible the DC Elites tried to rid themselves of him because he was what the people wanted but not the Republican Party because, he would hold their feet to the fire and honor the "Contract to America". At the first opportunity they unanimously stood aside and let the Democrats take him to task over a book signing deal that turned out to be a joke. He was innocent but had to pay a fine because the Party was afraid of the negative liberal press. It was ironic that the following year both Clinton's were guilty of the same thing but, not persecuted or challenged. I say "THANK YOU SOUTH CAROLINA" for remembering and letting the Republicans Elites know that you are tired of their bumbling moderate ideals.
The Mormon Factor
Submitted by pfwag on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:19pm.
The GOP has left it alone, and in the USA anybody can believe anything they want, but there is the Mormon factor.
Polls consistently show that a good chunk of voters, including DEMs, won't vote for a Mormon.
The fact of the matter is that Mormons have a lot of interesting beliefs that are far outside of mainstream. It starts with Mormonism's central theological axiom, The Law of Eternal Progression, which is "As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become." and goes from there.
With the SuperPacs and Chicago politicians in control of the DNC, you can be sure they and their minions in the MSM won't leave it alone. Imagine somebody asking Romney in a live interview if he really believes he is becoming a god or if the Garden of Eden is in Missouri.
It's not so much that Mormon
Submitted by humanzee on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:51pm.
It's not so much that Mormon factor, it's the "I won't put out for you even if I say I like you" factor. The lack of "common person" appeal hurts him.
When it comes between Romney and Gingrich. I'll give you a whore analogy about politicians. All politicians are slutty girls... aka... whores.
Mary Jane Sunshine Obama is the slutty liberal girl who dates beatniks, gangsters, rich San Francisco hipsters, and rich guys but no "rednecks" because they're icky. She won a vote of Miss USA because she was the cover girl of some magazine. She became popular because of her looks alone. A lot of people found out she's a bitch and now hate her.
Mittsey Romney is the pretty rich girl who says she's a good girl and likes good Christian boys but everyone knows only dates rich guys, sugar daddies, beatniks, San Fran hipsters.
Newtina Gingrich is a chick who likes teasing guys who date Mittsey and Sunshine but will date anyone.
Newtina is the one who conservatives think they have a chance with. A whore is a whore. A whore that may give you what you want, is better than one that you know never will.
Nixon and Reagan were unelectable too
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 1:46pm.
The more the Make Belive Media attacks Gingrich, the more I like him.
Pay attention folks. The MBM tells us who they fear.
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