Amanpour Accuses Paul Ryan of ‘Reverse Robin Hoodism,’ Freeland Urges ‘Courage’ to Raise Taxes
By Brent Baker | May 01, 2011 | 16:13
“This week -- budget blowback,” Christiane Amanpour trumpeted in framing her Sunday look, at reaction to Republican Congressman Paul Ryan’s proposed budget plan, through those hostile to it, asserting: “As town halls across America erupt in anger over a plan to slash spending, Republicans find themselves under fire.” Amanpour maintained: “Congressman Ryan is at the center of the storm. It's his plan, of course, that has sparked the outcry. Across the country, the anger is palpable.”
Instead of adding some light, however, Amanpour fueled the fire by legitimizing left-wing talking points, confronting Ryan: “People who have been studying your numbers very carefully have been saying that the numbers don't add up,” since:
It also says two-thirds of the savings that you want to make in spending cuts come at the expense of programs designed for the poor, for the disadvantaged. And this is reverse Robin Hoodism, if you like – take from the poor, give back to the rich again.
With “Ryan’s Plan Under Fire” as her on screen heading during most of the segment, Amanpour showed scenes from a day she spent with Ryan at town meeting in his Wisconsin district, illustrated mostly by liberal complaints to him with a few bits of praise mixed in.
In the subsequent roundtable, Chrystia Freeland, global editor-at-large for Thomson-Reuters, made a plea to increase taxes, fretting:
What I think is really missing – in both the Republican and the Democratic approach right now and is really an example of political cowardess – is taxes. We heard in your interview, Christiane, Ryan saying, “well, you know, this is about cutting spending.” It's partly going to be about cutting spending, but it is also going to be about raising taxes. And that's the thing that I think no one has the courage to talk about. It's partly going to be, I think there should be more taxes on the very rich. They’re doing incredibly well in this economy, but it is going to be about more taxes on the middle class, including consumption taxes.
From the Sunday, May 1 This Week with Christiane Amanpour, her segment with Ryan joined in progress:
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: At the end of the day, Congressman Ryan and I sit down to talk about the bottom line.
AMANPOUR TO RYAN: People who have been studying your numbers very carefully have been saying that the numbers don't add up.
CONGRESSMAN PAUL RYAN: Well the Congressional Budget Office say they do.
AMANPOUR: It also says two-thirds of the savings that you want to make in spending cuts come at the expense of programs designed for the poor, for the disadvantaged. And this is reverse Robin Hoodism, if you like – take from the poor, give back to the rich again.
RYAN: I would disagree with that. First of all, spending increases in this budget, spending on the safety net increases but it increases at a more sustainable rate. Here's the problem, Christiane, the safety net we have right now is going bankrupt. It's tearing apart at the seams.
AMANPOUR: What you're proposing, seems like it's going to put a lot of the burden on the seniors. They’re worried they’re not going to be able to afford the cost of health insurance.
RYAN: So, we’re saying give them more money to cover their expenses, don't give wealthy people as much to cover their expenses because they're wealthy and can afford more. But we're also saying, you have to get at the root of the cause of inflation. Even President Obama is saying slow the growth rate of Medicare.
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ABC leads the charge...
Submitted by Aubrey on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:20pm.
....to spread Communism.
It's time for us anti-communists
Submitted by tinydancer on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:23pm.
It's time for all us anti-communists to come out of the closets and call them by their real names:
Communists
communists
fellow travelers
dupes
Stop the PC. It's too dangerous not to be talking about this in public everywhere and anywhere.
What exactly are "the rich" getting from the poor . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:36pm.
. . . in Amanpour's ridiculous 'reverse Robing Hood' analogy?
We now have a situation where fully 47% of taxpayers paid no Federal income tax. Forth-seven per cent!
THERE'S THE REVERSE ROBIN HOODism. Half of us are paying the way for the other half!
Umm...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:00pm.
WORK!?!?!?
Actually
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:08pm.
Sure, some "poor" people choose to work for rich people. But the vast majority of the so called rich, are actually working for the poor.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Oh...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:42pm.
You must mean metaphorically like when they pay taxes... that's cute.
But the truth of the matter is the poor are working for themselves and the other poor.
You see in most cases without the work of the poor the rich wouldn't have any revenue. Without the revenue the couldn't pay taxes - which of course go back to the poor to keep them for dying while they are working for the rich.
You know what the irony is: if the rich paid more in wages the poor would have a higher tax liability and therefore lower the percentage tax liability of the rich.
But of course the rich rather pay less wages, pay more in taxes technically and use the money they should have paid their workers to pay tax lawyers and accountants to help them pay less taxes.
congratulations!!
Submitted by wizardjr on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:52pm.
That was one of the finest examples of stupidity we've seen around here in days.
[just what we need, a concern troll]
Thank you, wizardjr---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:23pm.
Succinct, yet so funny.
A "concern" troll, indeed.
LMAO !!!
MD
Dumb pony check out this video. See if you can get handle
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:17pm.
on a bit of reality instead of some thieves' talking points.
Eat The Rich
Nice class-warfare talking points there, JamPony!
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:29pm.
Yup. The rich are all horrible, evil people who want to exploit the poor. You've got it all figured out. We need to switch to communism right now!
The fact is, it's in the best interests of any businessman (or rich guy, as it were) to pay his employees enough to make a comfortable living, since then they can afford to purchase the products they make and invest in the company. After all, it worked for Henry Ford.
As I explained in another thread, welfare programs have done far more harm than good for the poor. Welfare programs are codependent by design, they keep poor people trapped in the safety net.
And as I explained to you on a different thread, Ryan's plan eliminates tax loopholes for the wealthy and corporations. Under his plan, they would be paying more taxes.
So, there you go.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Wrong...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:39pm.
I guess you haven't read the plan or head Ryan explain it.
Bob Scheifer asked him why he was lowering the tax rate and he said he wasn't he was eliminating the loop holes and that would then lower the tax rate for everyone to 25%.
No, JamPony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:45pm.
You are misplacing or ignoring altogether the emphases placed by Ryan.
Nice try.
MD
So...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:24pm.
Are you saying that it doesn't say that everyone over $100,000 will be paying 25% of their income in taxes? Because I am reading page 68 of the PDF and the clearly states that in his chart.
I suggest you read the plan before you argue it.
JamPony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:11pm.
Read it, photograph it, learn it by rote, digest the plan as though it were dinner and then use pages from it to wipe your chin while eating, and for wiping your arse when the effect of peristalsis reaches it's conclusion.
Any government plan, produced by politicians, is going to have singular points that will be interpreted in myriad ways by members of different political persuasion, regardless of what the words purportedly mean.
Quit playing the role of know-it-all, even with a copy of the plan in your hand that you are attempting to throw in my face; it merely ups what you believe to be political knowledge to the level of stooge status.
Putz.
MD
Oh....
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:25pm.
What do you mean?
What if the rich were to fire all the poor and replace them with trained monkeys. Then the rich could pay even more taxes which would be returned to the poor in the form of welfare and then the poor could afford their own trained monkeys.
And what if one of those trained monkeys was an intelligent time traveling monkey from the future and he led a revolution where all the trained monkeys overthrew the rich and poor handlers and took over the planet. And then all the trained monkeys would be running the show until some time traveling humans from the past were to show up and one of the monkeys of the future were to get in the capsule and travel to the past where he would lead a revolution to overthrow the humans of the past.
Or whatever.
Idiot.
You actually hit upon a legit
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:46pm.
You actually hit upon a legit problem right there in your last paragraph. A flat-tax or other offered alternatives would prevent this tax system from being so overly complicated, unfair, and full of holes for those who know (and write them, by the way). But Ohhhh, nooooo, we couldn't do that! You know who else doesn't have to work on their own taxes? The Dims in Congress that want to raise ours because they just spend whatever their little heart desires.The same dims that have complicated and wriitten in the loopholes in the tax code, the same dims that evade their taxes and refuse to ever, ever, change (you remember Change, right?) the system and the ways of Washington. Keep following these Libtard leaders into oblivion, all the while railing against "the rich!".
Seriously?
Submitted by Mark81150 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:16pm.
Dude,.. I worked my whole life in the lowest rung middle class, (the working poor), and what you just wrote makes zero sense to me at all. I paid federal income taxes till I got hurt on the job, then when our income dropped, the earned income tax credit kicked in, and suddenly.. I found out what has so many people no longer taxpayers, on the federal level.
We had H&R Block do our taxes, and they told us about the EITC,. I was stunned, you mean I get back more than was withheld?....... actually three times what was with held.. I having been a taxpayer was pretty surprised, and I said, well, it's welfare then, just don't claim it and we'll simply get the withheld amount back.. she told us no, you have to take it.. I insisted, and we filed early.. and got back a letter telling us, we had to refile, and we had to claim it... even if we chose not too.
You think the rich game the tax code? well guess what, so do the poor...
You wanna know how many folks work just long enough to get the earned income credit, then quit to make sure they don't go over the cutoff? How many see tax time as not a burden, but like Christmas? When 3000 with-held becomes an 8-9000 dollar return? Chump change to guys like Gates maybe, but at our level, it's free money from Obama's stash. I know for some it's survival tradeoff, but virtually all the working poor we know fall into that category.. and it's badly abused,.. many could do better, but when even lower income folks can get a car and reasonable housing,.. factor in food stamps to cover food costs, how much do the poor need before it goes from saftey net to Chinese finger puzzel trapping them in the bottom rung in an endless cycle?
Ryan's plan to zero out the tax code and start over is the only sane one out there..
Obama sycophants like GE's CEO will finally pay their share without the dems loopholes for their donors.. and upward mobility won't be punished like it is now.
Those like you playing the class war card either have no basic understanding of how capitalism works, or even if they do, they distort it for personal political gain, whichever it is..
you aren't helping the poor..
Everyone plays the tax code, or knows it is being played... to paint demon horns on business folks just to crack open one more piggy bank and ruin one more chance that folks'll get hired... that's a damned fools excuse for reason. it's greed by polticians, not Gordon Gecko that's killing jobs..
The true western villan isn't Ebeneezer Scrooge...
it's Barney Frank..
Wealth transfer
Submitted by nkviking75 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:39pm.
I'm on disability due to kidney failure, although I also work part-time. My taxable income is low enough that they don't even withhold taxes from my paycheck. Nonetheless I get "refunds" every year thanks to the Earned Income Tax Credit. It is nothing but a transfer of someone else's wealth to me. It's nuts.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Ummm....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:06pm.
What else is wealth or any other form of energy suppose to do?
Duh! Transfer from place to place and person to person.
And you know what its a good thing when energy or wealth moves. The reason why we are in the financial problem is because the wealthy at the top have so much of the wealth stored up and immobile.
Stupid Republicans believe that if they make the rich richer then things will be better. Sorry it's just not true.
You no doubt believe....
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:09pm.
......that the stored up wealth of the rich is the reason for all the lumpy mattresses.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
JP
Submitted by Model850 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:24pm.
"The reason why we are in the financial problem is because the wealthy at the top have so much of the wealth stored up and immobile."
That argument sounds suspiciously like the "fixed pie" view of wealth.
Blessed are those who expect nothing, for they shall not be disappointed.
Model....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:40pm.
I read the post from the professor and I have to disagree like the person who made the comment with the premise that the pie isn't fixed at least for poor people.
Wealth is fixed for poor or average people and it isn't fixed for wealthy people.
Poor people have access to local banks and private investors such as family and friends. If these sources are strapped then poor people are strapped.
Donald Trump ironically is a perfect example of how wealth has access to finances that poor people don't.
Just spin and lies*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:16pm.
The number of poor in this country is rising because the quality of life under entitlements is becoming more lucrative than employment. As we have greater population receiving entitlements, the greater the tax burden will be on those "other" than just the rich. Eventually you run out of other people's money....Margaret Thatcher.
Here is an excellant breakdown of the advantages to welfare, food stamps, medicaid, government housing, and "unearned income credit".
Review at your leisure.
If we have to cut the budget, looking at this chart, where do you think is the best place to start?
Rather than to continue to spew Alinky's road to socialist utopia, you should spend some time reading anything written by Dr. Thomas Sowell. He will explain to you why there are problems with our entitlement programs. He should know, he is an economists and he grew up in Harlem.
WOW....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:49pm.
All this time I thought poor people wanted to be rich and instead you're trying to tell me that poor people WANT to be POOR.
Yep, that makes all the sense in the world. There are millions of poor people just sitting on their buts and the underground economy doesn't exist.
Wow, it is a fact that the rich have gotten richer and you're trying to tell us that the reason the poor has gotten poorer isn't because of an inverse affect of the rich but because they want to be poorer. They want the crimes in their areas to kill them and their children. They would rather live in run down government housing or nice government housing than buy their own house.
Which Alinky road to socialist utopia points have I made?
Of course you can beat up on social programs. But to think that doing that is the solution to all of our problems is naive at best. The Rich are the other side of that coin and they have to be addressed too... sorry it's a fact no matter how much you love them and wish them more wealth.
I know from first-hand,
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:07pm.
I know from first-hand, people on Welfare who sit in a bar, drinking all day and pumping quarters into gambling and other game machines. I probably couldn't count how many crack addicts in Philly are on Public Assistance. Whose fault is that? "You will always have the poor among you.".....just like you will always have the addicts, drunks, cheaters, thieves, hopeless, and downtrodden.... you will also have the worker-class, the dreamers, those struggling for a better life, and those who succeed..... you will also, of course, always have those "born rich" that have never had to work for anything, the "career politician" liar and their worthless "career politician" offspring, and the businessmen who has worked his way up to the wealth you consider "evil". There is NO utopia and you're concentration of blame for all the world's ills on a blanket accusation of "the rich" is silly and immature.
who is naive lil pony*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:08pm.
I was a social worker my entire adulthood working with the poor. Having grown up in poverty with 9 siblings in days long before welfare and food stamps, I strived to help those in need work toward leaving the cycle of poverty. It is you who is naive if you think these programs as currently designed will help anyone out of poverty.
Bureaucrats with ideology design these programs without consideration of consequences. They are only there to offer temporary solutions. What has happened is generational poverty due to entitlements becoming an alternative lifestyle. Poor do not want to live in the projects and remain poor. But if they have lived that life style for generations, they know no alternatives, no means or opportunities to make the changes necessary. And with people like you, and socialists taking advantage of the poor in order to spread their agenda, they are filled with the propaganda that they are "entitled" because they are victims of the rich rather than victims of a generational life style.
You are naive to think that any program changes will miraculously change this cycle of damage. It will take generations to change the trend toward growing population of recipients of entitlements. Almost 50% of households pay no taxes. The definition of "rich" will have to be redefined in order for tax revenue to rise to continue to meet the growing demand for costs of entitlements.
If you honestly studied the tax structure in this country, you would know that the "rich" are 5% of the total population and they pay 95% of all tax revenue. When the rich are no longer rich, the government continues to grow, the government will have no choice but to tax the middle class. Government growth will not slow down with attitudes like yours until eventually we run out of people to tax.
The amazing thing is that your rants for these past few days have resulted in posters providing you with numerous credible links to gather the information you need to undertand the complexity of the issues in debate. You simply automatically dismiss anything, even the truth, that you disagree and start spewing the liberal talking points. Study lil pony.
Don't forget our current troubles.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:26pm.
The rich are the ones most affected by a downturn in the economy. When there is a financial panic such as the recent one, it is the investment class that take the hit. Yes. Some people lost their jobs. But 91% of us did keep our jobs and lost little in the way of wages. Unemployment was around 4% before the downturn. So only about 5% of us lost their income. And that is 5% of the working people. We don't even count the retired and those otherwise on the dole of government. It was the people that get their income from investments that took the big hit. And when the government depends on those people for most of the taxes as they do now, the government takes a hit as well.
What?
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:31pm.
"Yes. Some people lost their jobs." Are you serious? We were at 10% unemployment and you're trying to minimalize it in order to make your swan song for the rich?
Lost little in the way of wages? Man. Do you have a number to support your argument or are you just assuming?
Wasn't talking to you nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:39pm.
I see you went even snottier and more leftist since you were banned. Oh well. What kind of numbers you looking for liar? A 9% unemployment rate means 91% of the country has jobs. Jobs that did not lose wages. Now. Pack sand nwahs. You now demand people support what is commonly known. You are just as stupid as you were when you were banned a year ago.
Funny....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:56pm.
You guys banned someone for being snotty?
I guess you all rather not hear any other opinion considering how weak your positions are in the first place.
You really don't know how unemployment is counted. Why don't you ask one of your Reich Wing friends to explain it to you.
You're positions are much,
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:02pm.
You're positions are much, much too weak to afford you the gonads to call the reasonable and polite responses you have received here "weak". You've proven yourself to be an ignorant libtard of epic proportions and yet, like most of you're fellow-dopes, you just can't understand why anyone isn't buying your false, fact-challenged, libtard fantasy view of the way things should be and you're depiction of what they are not. Go away.
So Trump has a higher credit score than the kid at Burger King?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:53pm.
That does sound like collusion to me.
Really?
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:26pm.
He had a higher credit score when he was defaulting on all his loans because his businesses sucked?
Obama made over 5 million
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:51pm.
Obama made over 5 million dollars in 2009. Where's my cut?
Well I THOUGHT, I'd seen enough stupid for one day
Submitted by Mark81150 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:44pm.
"Stupid Republicans believe that if they make the rich richer then things will be better. Sorry it's just not true."
How can we "make" the rich richer?.. by failing to confiscate their income to your satisfaction? You think not stealing from a guy increases his wealth?
ooooooohh,.. I'm at a loss to define this kind of sophistry.. Not taking... gives someone .. MORE?...
but if I have ten bucks, and the taxman says,.. meh, keep it,... I still have ten...
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BUT,, buy your logic I just got a signifigant pay increase, widows will freeze, children will suffer, and cats will be boiled... it's a great thing people with your math skills run the gubmint, we'd be trillions in debt if not for th.............
You guys aren't about the poor, or peace, or the enviroment, or any of your supposed goals..
it's all bullsh*t aimed at taking power and holding it.
and incidentally punishing all the folks who you hate, envy or just plain don't like for not being white liberal college trust kids... who you can lead around by their wallets.
Liberals LOVE the poor, why else spend their entire lives making so many of them.
But, we poor,. detest you, so get over yourself.
Let Me Ask You...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:00pm.
When you're driving on the highway and the speed limit says 55 do you say: The Man is holding me back?
You in the middle of the highway nwahs?
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:01pm.
Then we step on gas.
@JAm
Submitted by Samshile on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 3:44am.
Since the majority of rich are now Democrats. Why would the Repubs want to make the Dems richer?
"As town halls across America
Submitted by povertypimpin on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:41pm.
"As town halls across America erupt in anger" Oh please. This is all astroturf by the left wing and the journ-o-listers. They are trying to create what the Tea Party did at town hall meetings and they are failing.
jOURNOLIST can't die.. it seems
Submitted by Mark81150 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:02pm.
I'db love to see all her emails..
Sooner or later, one of them will crack, or grow some integrity.. and it'll be outed again It's just like before, and how much they destroy our republic's ability to function before they trip up.
They should make it a federal crime, for journalists to engage in a national campaign of distortion, manipulation and outright fraud all to create a one party state. Hugo Chavez would love these guys, to an old cold warrior like me.. it's treason to suppress the truth when they are in the supposed business of giving the American people the facts..
It's not their "job" to create a progressive empire..
Maybe some jail time would hammer that home.
Here's What Ryan's First Response Should Have Been
Submitted by Bourbeau on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:44pm.
Christiane, have you read the bill? No! Have you read any part of the bill? No! Are you able to discuss any content of the bill? No! Then there's no purpose in me talking with you today about this, as all you are relaying are hearsay talking points, and whose interested in doing that. End of interview.
Bravo
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:09pm.
Bravo. You have to stand up and reject the premise.
What are the poor giving to the rich, exactly?
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:45pm.
These Obama Toadies - like Obama himself - are completely incoherent.
If you're a rational person, listening to Obama makes your head spin, e.g., statements like "Do the math, we can't afford to give any more money to the rich." HUH?
Pure class warfare when they're not engaged in race-baiting. Right in line with Obama.
exactly the point
Submitted by wizardjr on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:59pm.
She's spewing the "you owe it to the poor" socialist nonsense of the lefties and media clowns (yeah, I know, redundant).
I don't owe squat to anyone economically speaking or anyone else besides my family. I earned every bit of knowledge I have and every penny I have. This insane idea of enforced "charity" has got to stop. The poor are 99.99999% that way due to piss poor decisions, not the theft of their wealth by someone else. The leftards consider it theft though if you were smarter or harder working and thus got rewarded for it economically. Thus you "owe" it to the poor.
Except for them that is. While they make millions a year for mumbling into a TV camera they do not see their hypocracy in not personally giving up their fortunes "for the poor". Asshats one and all.
Bugs Bunny said it best, "Oh my, what a maroon."
Ugh....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:24pm.
You're so stupid and so proud it makes me feel sorry for you.
I know people who have literally moved from the inner cities of Miami to go to college to move into gated communities and they don't sound as proud and stupid as you.
They pay their taxes, feed their families and go to work everyday and they don't blame the poor for anything.
And who in the world said you have to give up your fortunes. Can you idiots make a cogent point without resorting to hyperbole, insults, lies or conflation? I doubt it.
Here is a suggestion, don't say "WORST OF ALL TIME, WORST EVERY, ENTIRE FORTUNES" and stupid stuff like that.
Can just anyone join NB
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:55pm.
Can just anyone join NB nowadays? Any able bodied person who draws from the government more than they have ever paid in should be given some task/work so they have to earn their keep. I thought it took a village! Eating & watching TV at OUR expense is not helping. If you or your family have paid in more than you draw, then no you don't have to help at this point. Otherwise please be productive.
Theft so you can buy votes is NOT the moral high ground as JamPony suggests. I cannot start a business because it is too complicated and too much risk due to the outlays with zero return just to get started. I would be a full time paper keeper and never have time to do the business. So sorry... no one going to be hired. That is the loss our society is experiencing due to Big Government. 100% responsible. How is that good? Total BS. You do not have the high ground buddy. You are truly misguided. Your religion is socialist government and there is no Constitutional basis for it. Get your socialist religion out of my Constitutional government!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Only
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:55pm.
The Salt of the Earth need apply to News Busters.... What a joke.
Were you making a point? Poor people are bad? Wow, that is original. I bet you're asking yourself why do they even breath.
Brief and completely
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:58pm.
Brief and completely pointless.
Par for the course, JamPony.
@jAm
Submitted by Samshile on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 4:08am.
Listening to your MSM group think. What is the word to describe the contemp for individual thought?
JAm extolls a vituperative attitude toward anyone who does not JAmPonies world view.
Must be a frind of Bill Maher. He also went to GOatUniversity err Cornel.
X
Submitted by serfer62 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:03pm.
JamTody admit it. You're hired by News Busters to create more responses cause I can't see any intel in your input...
Since you've asked...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:58pm.
My point to to challenge all of your points because you are the ones complaining about EVERYTHING under the sun. So I am trying to figure out what intel you guys have so that I can reason through it and respond.
So far I haven't gotten any intel just hyperbole, insults and half-truths not too well thought out.
I'd like to see you challenge
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:01pm.
I'd like to see you challenge ONE point, JamPony. You come here drop challenges on people and when they respond you call them stupid and refuse to answer their challenges.
Thanks for the laugh about "hyperbole, insults and half-truths". If it wasn't for those we would have never heard of you.
"Who in the world said you
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:20pm.
"Who in the world said you had to give up your fortunes?"....um...you and your dimtard leaders. If you work for 150 dollars a week, that is part of your fortunes. If you have to surrender under penalty of law a percentage of that income, you are then giving up your fortunes. And for what? To build oil refineries in Colombia, support,raise and educate foreign born illegals that condemn the "gringo" and then hold their hand out, support Pakistan or buy weapons for muzzies barbarians? Beside the fact that you miss something very important, we could tax the leading American corporations at 100% and put them right out of business and it would still not be enough to cover the money asshole Obama has spent. There is a great article at IOWAHAWK site addressing just that called "Feed your family on 10 billion $'s a day.".
Such astroturf media & protestors
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:46pm.
These plastic arguments need to be thoroughly ripped up and cleared up with sound facts and arguments. No net if we are bankrupt. Is that so hard to understand?
Obama needs to be overturned with the very thing he is trying to win on. Use social media to expose this Marxist imposter of hope & change. We will provide the real hope and change! That is a free people and thriving economy. It needs to be way easier to start and run a company! Way too complicated now & takes way too much money & too much risk.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
"People say...."
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:49pm.
AMANPOUR TO RYAN: People who have been studying your numbers very carefully have been saying that the numbers don't add up.
Really? Why don't you tell the viewers who "those people" are Christiane?
I like Ryan's retort though: "The CBO says you're full of $h*t, Christiane."
Where are these town halls
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:52pm.
Where are these town halls and angry mobs she speaks of? I think perhaps she is confusing them with the local SEIU union meetings. Just more lie to support the idiot in the white house.
Outside Trouble
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:33pm.
There were some protesters at Ryan's listening sessions over the past few days. There was a woman from Madison (not in Ryan's district) who showed up in Racine (100 miles away) and ended up being asked to leave. There was a left-wing gadfly who showed up at another Racine town hall with a couple friends dressed in hats & furs, supposedly depicting the wealthy who will reap all the benefits of Ryan's plan. They looked like most 8-year-old girls playing dress up. There was some shouting. There was some booing. There were also a number of standing O's. Ryan, meanwhile, stood calmly and professionally. He also made all of his presentations without the aid of planted questions or a teleprompter.
I am getting rather sick of this
Submitted by TheHistorian on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 4:59pm.
In 2009, Democrats had a 60 seat majority in the Senate, a huge majority in the House, and the White House. Why didn't they raise taxes then? Where were Amapour and her buds to encourage their leftist colleagues? The answer is that either they weren't paying attention, or that their socialist stooges decided not to raise taxes except on health care, health care products, and tanning salons. They even could not get enough votes in December to set aside the Bush tax cuts.
Ryan should point out some of these facts to these little CommSimps. Explanation is not good enough; they need to get the facts that THEY owned the Congress and the White House, THEY rammed legislation through without Republican consultation, and if they were serious about taxes being too low, then THEY should have raised them.
I am tired of Ryan being nice to these people. He needs to dump on them HARD. All they are doing is whining at him and they need to be sent to their rooms like the spoiled little children they are emulating.
Dennis Prager
On that note....
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:54pm.
In 2009, Democrats had a 60 seat majority in the Senate, a huge majority in the House, and the White House.
.........and they also didn't pull the $4 billion in oil subsidies that they're politicizing as we speak. Could have pulled that away anytime. Why didn't they? Because they REALLY don't care about the substance of it, only the political aspect. In 2009, they didn't need it politically.
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Paul Ryan shows how it's done.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:08pm.
He combats Amanpour's talking points and emotional appeals with facts and logic. That's how to do it. Now, if we can just get a presidential candidate who can do that, we can boot Barry out of the White House no problem.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Darn right it is lady.....
Submitted by Chicagoray40 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:14pm.
". And this is reverse Robin Hoodism, if you like – take from the poor, give back to the rich again."
That's the only way the 'generational poor' will learn they have to get off their fat azzes and make a living for themselves or perish all aside from the disabled and elderly.
If the government wants to give away free money put these people to work doing things people get payed far too much to do, like empty garbage cans in state and federal parks, and make them fill potholes and clean streets and then they'll figure out working for a living is the only way to get ahead in the world.
Make new rules, like your ten kids drop out of school their families (usually welfare momma's) don't get their monthly checks, stuff like that you'll never see in a million years because all dems and most GOP care about is getting re elected nowadays.
And as for these so called "Angry town halls" another outright lie as she's talking about ONE and that one was when they actually weren't booing Ryan but the government at large and the left wing media twisted it all around like they do everything. MORONS watch NBC CBS AND ABC CNN MSNBC for ALL their news and that's all there is to say.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe. –Albert Einstein My Twitter
Left wing main stream reporters
Submitted by rpeeler42 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:16pm.
It puzzles me why Republicans and Conservatives even bother to go on these left wing shows, Like the Today, Abc, CBS. NBC, MSNBC, Bob Schiieffer,Matt Lauer, Meet the Press,Cnn and the like. Everyone of them is an ambush, so they can dominate the conversation and get alll their White House talking points on air in order to help the Kenyan. I say pox on all their left-wing propaganda machines.
You're Right
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:04pm.
Because the only place where their ideas are accepted is in the Faux World.
Yeah Jamjackass...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:31pm.
SOMEONE has to keep tabs and report on your mindless, libtard main stream media mouth breathing droolers who faint at the mere mention of their Dear Leader Obummer.
Right...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:44pm.
Now it's Obamas fault or his general appeal that is responsible for the rejection of the Ryan plan.
I get it...my car overheated - damn you Obama. My girlfriend cheated on me -Obama why do you hate love? My dog died - Obama is Michael Vick.
yeah, actually he is...
Submitted by wizardjr on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:15pm.
He is the icon of leftism. He is the cheerleader of hard left legislation. He uses the presidential bully pulpit to stump for kleptocracy and dependency. All these media whores swoon at his very name and his agenda and spend millions of dollars of airtime boosting for him because he represents their religion. He is the Obamasiah. The One. He will lead them out of the darkness of self reliance and personal effort into the light of utopian kleptocracy where no one is responsible for anything, least of all providing an income.
Of course this assigning blame to Barry is something new.
[ what? Bush?? really?]
never mind (/sarc)
Oh yeah, BTW... the only people rejecting Ryan's plan are the poverty pimps, race hustlers, bureaucratic empire builders, and other parasites on the nation's body. Those of us making a living think most of it is pretty sound stuff.
I'll give you credit for one thing JamJackass...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:45pm.
unlike your fellow libtard droolers, at least you aren't bringing up race when we bring up FAILED POLICIES of your Dear Leader the Community Agitator In Chief Obama. Isn't it about time he went on another vacation and/or play a round of golf and/or host some sports or musical party at the White House? Gas is only at four freaking dollars a GALLON and rising.
There's a red storm brewing on the horizon, moonbat. And we SO look forward to you moonbatics on the sick left losing even more power to main stream America. We Americans are long over the mindless catch phrases of "hope" and "change." You anti-American libtards will get what you deserve in 2012.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:04pm.
Failed Policies: Name three. And please don't bother lying, conflating or using hyperbole. Try - although you won't be able to - to use facts. I'll wait.
And please tell me about a policy as failed as Katrina, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the US economy.
And since when has hope and change been mindless?
Your days here are numbered, JamPony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:12pm.
as you are nothing more than a liberal troll who contributes nothing evidentiary; only slams at conservatives or Republicans, or worse, ass kissing hosannas to the current administration through crappy talking points.
While you are truly too inane to either see it or admit to it, you are really nothing more than an annoyance.
MD
So...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:03pm.
Was this latest self-righteous diatribe the three failed Obama policies I challenged you to list?
Because it seems like you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of doing so I guess your numbered are days too.
Or is it my days are numbered? Either way I am not impressed with your childish threats. Why don't you grow up?
Anyway, back to the discussion.
If I were you I would not
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:28pm.
If I were you I would not challenge MD to a battle of wits, YOU are hopelessly unarmed and MD is a well-known gun-slinger 'round here. (Sorry, I hope I didn't "wound" your liberal sensitivities by mentioning "gun", I know guys like you hate a populace able to defend itself)
The sourceless troll whines.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:56pm.
What do we expect from a lying little troll?
The money graf:
The economy is stalling, unemployment seems stuck at European levels of idleness, the federal deficit and the national debt are at historic highs, public confidence in Congress is at its lowest-ever level and big majorities of Mainstream Americans say Obama has the country on the wrong path. Obamanomics has failed miserably and it’s time for everybody in this town to admit it so we can move on.
* $85 billion to prop up GM and Chrysler, as well as auto suppliers. GM is still “Government Motors” despite crowing about “repaying” the government loan that kept them afloat. Not only was the $6.7 billion GM gave back to the government only about $42 billion short of what they owed, they had the temerity to use part of the bailout money to do it. GM claims a healthy profit this past quarter, but taxpayers — who still own about 70% of the preferred stock in the company — shouldn’t be checking their mailboxes for dividend checks. This gift to the UAW has spawned the next adjective to describe product failure: the Chevy Volt.
* $70 billion for consumer and business lending initiatives. This was a program designed to jumpstart business and consumer lending. As with every other program that was supposed to shock the economy back to life, it has failed miserably.
* $75 billion to help those with mortgages that were underwater to stay in their houses. A recent study shows that the centerpiece of those efforts — the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP) — has a miserable success rate of 32%. That means that “about a third of the trial mortgage mods begun will be successfully converted to permanent ones, and won’t redefault.” Granted, if it were you or I who was helped by the program, we would declare the effort a success. But a redefault rate of 2/3, if looked at rationally, has to be considered an abject failure.
Oh let's not forget.
1. Obamacare.
2. The nuclear disarm America treaty.
3. NASA officially shut down.
4. Bowing to State sponsors of terrorism.
5. Close Gitmo? Yeah, not so fast.
6. Civilian trials for Gitmo terrorists? Yeah, not so fast.
7. Get us out of Iraq? Yeah, not so fast.
8. Wrap up the Afghanistan war. Yeah not so fast.
9. No more wars for oil. Yeah, not so fast, gotta get to Libya first.
10. Citizens of New York on edge since 9/11. Yeah let's fly a big ol' Jumbo Jet real low and slow over the New York Skyline?
11. The Prime Minister of Great Britain is almost blind. Let's give him a set of DVD's.
12. Bow. Bow. Bow.
13. Open up drilling in the Gulf!. Yeah, not so fast.
14. No more torture! Oh wait, turns out it was only 3 guys more than 6 years ago.
JamPony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:59pm.
Pay attention, fool.
It was Nforce you challenged to name three failed Obama programs, not me.
But since I am here:
ObamaCare - the program itself, and additional failures within it, i.e., single payer.
Cash for Clunkers - total money loser.
Taking over a vehicle producing company and favoring his Union cronies and backers with monies and benefits they were not entitled to.
Obama's czar program - how many have had their asses kicked down the road?
Election 2010 - disaster for purple-lip's party.
Securing the Olympics for Chicago.
And many more, which you will ignore because you know no better.
You are a liberal idiot.
There is no type of discussion with you, about any subject under the sun, as all you do is spew juvenile liberal crap. You are an effin' loser, and you will ultimately either flame out because you will have to resort to supreme nastiness to continue to garner attention, or the moderators will finally spot you as the poseur you are, like your Messiah, with nothing to contribute except bald-faced lies and snarky put-downs, and ban your simple-minded presence from these threads.
Your days are indeed, numbered.
You can take that to the bank.
MD
Hmm, I Guess....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:10pm.
I should have been more specific.
Can you name any FACTUAL failures of the Obama administration as it relates to the health of the country and/or its citizen as a whole?
Here is an example: When Bush failed to prepare for Osama Bin Laden when the Clinton Administration gave him a brief detailing how Bin Laden was to attack us it costs Americans lives and billions of dollars.
Here is another example: When Bush artificially lowered the interest rates it created a housing bubble that has cost millions of people their jobs.
Here is another example: When Bush deregulated utilities it allowed Enron to abuse their powers and caused the lost of billions of dollars from millions of people.
You have anything tangible like that - you know a real a priori situation?
"When Bush failed to prepare
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:16pm.
"When Bush failed to prepare for Osama Bin Laden when the Clinton Administration gave him a brief detailing how Bin Laden was to attack us it costs Americans lives and billions of dollars."
That's not an example, that's a lie. We had ALREADY been attacked by Osama Bin Laden on more than one occasion when Slick Willy was in office and he did NOTHING about it. He had already attacked and killed Americans, but Bill was too busy with fat interns to do anything about it. Yet now you want to blame Bush for not immediately taking office and attacking Afghnistan? You're such a dolt.
It is not even a believable lie.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 11:05pm.
If the Clinton Administration knew Bin Laden was going to attack us, that would mean the Clinton Administration could take him out with the same prejudice the incoming Bush Administration could.
This idiot can't even lie with any believability.
Ain't buying any of your examples, JamPony,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:20pm.
per Bush, because every single one is nothing more than a lib talking point that has been demolished time and time again on these threads.
Liberal BS, period.
You are a one-trick pony, and as I said before, will ignore the truth in order to push your ideology in order to kiss your Messiah's butt.
Pit. Tee. Full.
Naive, and juvenile, as well.
MD
You are a hopeless fool with
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:27pm.
You are a hopeless fool with nothing but disproven lies and false lib talking points, you know that don't you? I hope so, there should at least be one thing you know. You have no idea what you are talking about, you sound like you get scripts handed to you by Rachel Maddow. Pathetic.
Funny you should mention Bin Laden and Clinton, JamPony
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:28pm.
Because if the Clinton administration hadn't refused Sudan's offer to arrest Bin Laden and his lieutenants, 9/11 WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED! So, that would be a policy failure for Slick Willie.
And the housing bubble was caused by continually relaxing loan standards so people who couldn't actually afford homes were able to buy them. Because people on the left claimed home ownership was a right, instead of something you have to earn.
And I suppose Bush forced those Enron guys to break the law and rip people off, right?
But no, don't stop now. We're having so much fun knocking you around like a ping-pong ball!
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Another lie that is unbelievable.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 11:06pm.
The stupidest troll yet: When Bush artificially lowered the interest rates...
The Fed controls interest rates. The INDEPENDENT Fed. Not the President.
Another unbelievable lie.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 11:10pm.
The stupidest troll yet: When Bush deregulated utilities it allowed Enron...
Enron went bankrupt in late 2001. Anyone remember what happened at the beginning of 2001? Yes. President Bush was sworn in. Deregulation allowed Enron to cost billions of dollars from millions of people in a scant few months?
lists of failed Obama Obamaisms.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:59pm.
Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy – instead of cleaning it up.
Thinking the Tea Party is a passing fad – or that they are racists.
Pulling out of Iraq with no clear victory over insurgent forces.
Trying to re-write history through speeches – with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty)
Getting a Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective President in the history of the United States, though some say it was for his pigment.
Putting all legislation on the Internet for five days before it comes to a vote.
Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits.
Giving a collection of DVDs to the British PM.
Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism.
Promising to close Gitmo — failing to do so.
Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016.
Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to his various Czar positions and then watching them scurry for cover when Beck begins to call them out, forcing them to resign.
Government races for NJ, VA and the Senate Seat in Mass.
The midterm elections, which Obama himself called a shellacking.
Prediction that stimulus would ensure that unemployment doesn’t exceed 8%.
Bowing to just about everybody.
Proposing amnesty for illegal aliens to increase the population of voters for Democrat elections
Here you go, JamPony
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 10:20pm.
Except, first, let's look at your examples, shall we?
Katrina - You do realize that the primary responsibility for evacuations and requesting federal assistance falls on the local and state governments? According to federal law, FEMA isn't allowed to act until the mayors or governors of affected cities/states request aid. So, the people who's policies failed were Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco. While Blanco was thankfully defeated in the next election, the people of New Orleans, sadly, were dumb enough to re-elect the idiot Nagin. So, not Bush's fault.
9/11 - Let me guess, you're a Truther, right? One of those nutjobs who thinks Bush knew about or was involved in 9/11? I'm not even going to bother to explain why that's completely and totally wrong.
Afghanistan - was actually going fine until Obama took charge and imposed restrictive rules-of-engagement. U.S. casualties skyrocketed under Obama's watch, so this would be our #1 policy failure for Obama.
Iraq - Was more the fault of France, Germany, and Russia who refused to help remove Saddam from power. Not to mention Iran's interference in the rebuilding process. Also, if we put boots on the ground in LIbya, Iraq will look like a vacation in comparison.
U.S. Economy - Crashed AFTER the Dems took over Congress, Dodd -who was one the people in charge of oversight- as well as half the Dems in the Senate were too busy running for Pres. to do anything about it, and then we had Barney Frank, the other guy who could've and should've stopped the meltdown, instead did NOTHING and went around telling everyone that all was well, the main causes of the meltdown were fair-housing policies instituted by Carter and expanded by Clinton. Not Bush's fault.
On to Obama's failures.
#1 Afghanistan, as described
#2 The oil drilling moratorium. $5 a gallon gas prices. Jobs lost, economy faltering. Also...
#3 EPA's anti-global warming measures that are also blocking drilling permits.
#4 Affordable care act. As it has come into effect, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND MEDICAL BILLS GO UP. EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT OBAMA PROMISED! It's so bad, that countless companies asked to be exempted.
#5 Stimulus. Unemployment still skyrocketed after it was implemented. Businesses are still hurting. Recovery has been nonexistent.
#6 Green jobs investment initiative. This has not created ANY jobs. This has been a money pit.
So, yeah. You wanted 3, I gave you 6. And my fellow NBer's have provided many more that I overlooked.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
This worthless witch knows
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:32pm.
This worthless witch knows nothing of economics. She's a shill for the left and a sock puppet for the DNC.
And I guess ...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:05pm.
You're an economics genius.
If so please tell me exactly how taking a government program and putting it into the hands of investors is a good thing for the people who need the program.
Idiot...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:33pm.
Why don't you tell us how well FIFTY PLUS YEARS of the "war on poverty" has gotten people out of poverty in this nation. Idiot libtard.
So...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:52pm.
You answer a question with a question about an ideal. Not exactly a tangible policy but an ideal and a mantra. Bravo, you've stumped me with your abstract question about nothing.
Your question was so mindless...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:20pm.
it didn't even warrant an answer in the first place, libtard. We've SEEN the failure of government handouts year after year decade after decade, not the least of which will be the complete INSOLVENCY of Socialist Security that you petulant neo-Marxist moonbats love so much.
Name a failed "government handout."
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:10pm.
Oh, welfare. Yep, those poor people shouldn't have anywhere to live or any food to eat. They should all be living off the sweat of their brow.
And if they do work and their minimum wage job doesn't take care of all their bills then tuff cookies.
Amtrak,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:22pm.
Post Office--- too many government handouts, or monetary assistance events, have an unenviable record of consistency for being unsuccessful.
If it is not a successful program, operating in the black, after an infusion of money from politicians, then it is a failure, or as you put it, a "failed handout".
You just don't do well with liberal talking points, do you?
MD
all government programs are failures*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:31pm.
You are in way over your head here lil pony.
Poor have minimum wage jobs because they are "unskilled" labor. Unskilled means they lack education and skill training. Odd since we have free public education and dozens of government programs for grants and subsidies for schools, technical schools, and community colleges.
The majority of poor were born to teenagers. A child born to a teenager is 78% likely to grow up in poverty. Poor have the lowest education rates. Poor children born to a single parent will likely grow up in poverty and score the lowest in education. Entitlement programs "favor" single parents. Two parent households in need are penalized for programs like public housing, support enforcement, section 8,. This encourages single parent families. Single parent families are more likely to live in poverty. See the circle lil pony?
What you fail to understand is that throwing more money and benefits to entitlement programs solve none, none of the problems that cause poverty. Money alone will not provide opportunity for the poor to "upgrade" their quality of life.
The nasty pony thinks it's normal to be a grandmother at 28.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:45pm.
And a great grandmother at 40. And so.
Oh..
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:04pm.
So it's young single mothers that is destroying this country!!!
I think we should pull a China then... what do you think?
dont be stupid lil pony*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:17pm.
In each of my posts, I have tried to give you examples of the true causes of poverty in this country and why the ranks of the poor continue to rise. You igonored all of my examples and simply chose to isolated ONE of the causes of poverty. I could give you a lesson in sociology but NB would probably charge me for the web space and because you do not appear to be sincere in addressing this debate honestly, I have concluded that you are simply spewing lib lies,
We need a better class of troll here......Blonde
I have a degree in economics
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:09pm.
I have a degree in economics ass-wipe. But it only takes a bit of common sense to know that investors have an incentive to do well and the gov't does not. If you can't figure that out then I can only encourage you to disconnect yourself from the leftists and morons you hang out with.
Amen...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:31pm.
And if I were Boeing, I'd tell Obummer and his wretched henchmen to F.O. and move manufacturing the hell overseas before being forced by those IDIOTS where to build a plant because of union thuggery and union leg humping. To hell with them all.
But South Carolina's governor said it best about the Obungler Administration forcing Boeing out of SC and back to Seattle:
"The actions by the NLRB are nothing less than a direct assault on the 22 right-to-work states across America. They are also an unprecedented attack on an iconic American company that is being told by the federal government—which seems to regard its authority as endless—where and how to build airplanes.
The president has been silent since his hand-selected NLRB General Counsel Lafe Solomon, who has not yet been confirmed by the United States Senate as required by law, chose to engage in economic warfare on behalf of the unions last week.
While silence in this case can be assumed to mean consent, President Obama's silence is not acceptable—not to me, and certainly not to the millions of South Carolinians who are rightly aghast at the thought of the greatest economic development success our state has seen in decades being ripped away by federal bureaucrats who appear to be little more than union puppets."
This woman for president! We need to rid this nation of America-destroying scum left wingnut vermin.
Absolutely.
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:45pm.
Absolutely.
Congrats on your degree...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:20pm.
Too bad you don't realize that yes, the investor will always look out for themselves as any self-serving human being will do but it is mostly likely always at the expense of someone else.
I'm sure you're comfortable with that reality now when you are in your own mind millions of years away from being on social security but once you're under the thumb of an investor I am sure you'll have a different opinion.
Most likely you never think of these things because you're so ideological. Sometimes real lives are in the balance when you deal with these types of issues.
Some things shouldn't be in the hands of investors and Enron is a perfect example of that. Healthcare is another one of those industries.
Congrats, JamPony---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:24pm.
on your masters degree in BS.
MD
I am an investor.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:37pm.
I buy stocks in my 401K. I want everyone to shut up here because you are all under my thumb. Dance all you monkeypeople, dance I tell you. Look, you don't dance, the thumb starts going down...
I own health care stocks as well. HCN. MRK. JNJ. HCN. Anyone want to take them off my hands? DamPhony says they should not be there.
You have no idea what you're
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:50pm.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely none.
Investors risk their own money and lose if they fail, it is not at the expense of others. We don't operate under a zero-sum game.Gov'ts operate on the backs of tax-paying Americans that collectively bear the costs of gov't incompetence and waste. S. Security is nothing but a ponzi scheme and it's only a matter of time before it is out of gas, there will be more recipients than tax revenue for it. This country is operating in the red because people like you cant think two steps ahead and think there's a bottomless pit of money. Money is finite and funds diverted from real production is that much less output for GDP. The gov't operates under a condition of moral hazard and soft budgets and under normal circumstances should have been bankrupt years ago. It is only a matter of time before countries will not hold our debt and will will experience run-away inflation where everyone loses. The incompetent fiscal policies of this administration will only result in a massive US bankruptcy.
Wow....
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:19pm.
"Investors risk their own money and lose if they fail, it is not at the expense of others." Tell that to the people who worked at Enron or worked at the companies they bought using the employees 401K's as collateral for leverage. Also, tell that to the Bank that loaned the investor the money to invest. Then tell that to the hedgefunds who invested in the bank. Then tell that to the corporations who invested in the hedgefunds and then again tell that to the employees who invested in the corporations through their 401K's
"We don't operate under a zero-sum game." Who is "we?"
"Gov'ts operate on the backs of tax-paying Americans that collectively bear the costs of gov't incompetence and waste." Sorry but the Government could operate just find without another dime from taxpayers.
"S. Security is nothing but a ponzi scheme and it's only a matter of time before it is out of gas, there will be more recipients than tax revenue for it." Sorry but SS is solvent for 50 more years so says CBO - why don't you google it.
"This country is operating in the red because people like you cant think two steps ahead and think there's a bottomless pit of money. Money is finite and funds diverted from real production is that much less output for GDP. The gov't operates under a condition of moral hazard and soft budgets and under normal circumstances should have been bankrupt years ago." The fact that you think the US government could go bankrupt like a regular person shows just how uneducated you are. Think about the national debt and the national wealth. If the government had to it could TAKE (yes, take) the wealth from as many Americans (including corporations - they are people too) it needed to and pay whoever they owed.
"It is only a matter of time before countries will not hold our debt and will will experience run-away inflation where everyone loses. The incompetent fiscal policies of this administration will only result in a massive US bankruptcy." Wrong.
"Wrong." That's impressive,
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:28pm.
"Wrong."
That's impressive, JamPony!!! You responded to well thought out and logical arguments with, "wrong". You're so smart, I don't know why people around here view you as nothing more than comic relief!!!!
You don't offer any
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:46pm.
You don't offer any intelligent arguments, denial is not an argument. Gov't revenues are 2.2 T and it spends 3.5 T. I'm sure even you can do the math on that one.
The American founders believed, and capitalism rests on the belief, that people are driven by “self-interest” and the desire to better our condition. Adam Smith believed, and capitalism presupposes, that the general welfare depends on allowing an individual to pursue his self-interest. When a person acts in his own interest, he frequently promotes [the interest] of society more effectually than any gov't. You mean to demonize our system to advocate for a state controlled and centrally planned economy without once demonstrating examples that might support your beliefs. More people have suffered and died from centrally-planned economies than anything else. You cry over the loss of Enron's investors and employees? Don't bother with your feigned sympathies, I lost 5000 shares but I'm still alive and making more money, I don't sit around blaming Capitalism, I knew the risks. You think those Enron employees are still unemployed? I'm sure many of them found work elsewhere. Direct your sympathies to people who've lived under brutal socialist regimes who are slaves to the state. You live in a little bubble of your own making and I'm not going to waste anymore of my time with you, you're an idiot.
rbosque
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:50pm.
Good reply but I'm afraid you and many others here are casting pearls at swine when it comes to Jackpony or Jamass or whatever.
Wow, I knew you were ignorant
Submitted by ant on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:46pm.
Wow, I knew you were ignorant from your earlier posts but that last one, whew! "The government could TAKE.."...? Do you see that as a problem or is this a positive attribute of big government to you? If it's the latter I think, maybe , you should change your moniker from JamPony to JackAss.
Ant, my favorite
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 12:44am.
Is the comment that "the Government could operate just find (fine?) without another dime from taxpayers."
I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement that no one will pay any more taxes.
Don't forget, panzerakc
Submitted by ant on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 1:21pm.
Jamjack has a degree in economics, so he says. He's probably also a member of MENSA and a war veteran to boot. Trolls always make the same claim to credentials.
The Sunday Morning "news" shows
Submitted by ronber on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:44pm.
are now so liberal and stacked with mostly liberals. When they do have a conservative or Republican on, they are constantly interrupted and talked over.... and that's just by the host. The liberal guests have become rude to the point that you feel like smacking them cold. David Gregory and Christiane Amanpour are nothing but Democrat shills... and neither makes an attempt to hide it.
who's stealing?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 5:51pm.
Currently the government is stealing $188,000,000 PER HOUR from our children's future. There aren't enough rich people in this country to stop a flood of red ink like that.
Thank-you Paul Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:02pm.
You have almost single handedly given President Barack Obama a platform on which to be handsomely re-elected.
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you!!!!!
Remember how much the world hated Obamacare? Well imagine how they will feel under Ryancare. Mmmmm, so good I can taste it.
mere background noise
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:18pm.
You must be under the assumption ordinary voters are tuned into this budget battle. That would be wrong. What they are tuned into are the rising gas prices and rising food prices. Obama's reelection hinges on jobs and halting inflation and he's failing at both.
Hmmm...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:53pm.
That isn't a smart strategy to hope that the American people aren't paying attention. And you're relying on fluctuating prices that could be ANYWHERE in two years. Wow.
Wait till the Senate votes on the Ryan plan. I can't wait - its gonna be sweet.
JamJackass the trolling libtard troglodyte...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:23pm.
It is entertaining to say the least watching a petulant wretch of the sick bastardizing America-hating regressive left speak its mind.
Obama is Carter II - and will be a one-term president if energy prices continue to soar, as with food prices, and as the US dollar continues to plummet because his idiotic administration continues to print more worthless money and spend this nation into oblivion.
The Great Society and specifically "war on poverty" have been the single biggest FAILED sociali(ist) experiment with taxpayer dollars in US history.
I like your caveat...
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:58pm.
IF.
Sorry buddy - Obama is going to be around for 6 more years. And then it is going to be Hillary for 8 and then Oprah for 8. The Dems are going to run this country and it will be better for us all once the Republicans realize that they are going to be in the permanent minority.
And I can say with all honesty that there is nothing wrong with being in the passenger seat. Not all people or ideas are meant to lead.
Okay now I get it JamJackass....
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:22pm.
You are just a trolling libtard troglodyte. What's your hero's approval rating these days? 43%?
Don't worry mouth breather - the 2010 congressional mid-term elections was just the beginning for you America-hating, America-destroying neo-Marxist vermin on the sick wretched regressive left.
And Pelosi will be speaker again.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:05pm.
LOL.
"Not all people or ideas are
Submitted by NC Cop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:09pm.
"Not all people or ideas are meant to lead."
That could be the motto of the democratic party!! Brilliant!!
not worth trying nforce
Submitted by wizardjr on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:19pm.
it's obvious toejampony is a leech. It probably never has had a high paying job or run its own company with employees to pay and look out for. If it did get a decent paycheck it will have come as a government/school employee... that is, a leech.
It will not willingly give up its free lunch.
Nforce & wizardjr---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:33pm.
Good posts.
I salute you for keeping it clean, though JamPony is a complete ass.
MD
Clean?
Submitted by JamPony on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:21pm.
I guess we all have our own definition of clean.
Well, JamPony, you certainly have---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:28pm.
your own definition of truth, facts, and how everything really works.
Only problem is, in the real world, your definitions pretty much equate to nothing more than bullshit.
MD
Reverse....
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:10pm.
Reverse Robin Hoodism.
Reverse Discrimination.
Reverse Nonsense.
I really like it when she slams liberals and accuses them of straight Robin Hoodism. Good times, good times!
Oh she uh, what? Doesn't do tha' ?......what?
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
CNN war slut Amanpour is useless...
Submitted by Nforce on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:17pm.
Like all of the libtard main stream media jackalcrats. I never have understood where the idiotic and mindless mentality of trickle up economics ever happened. Libtard neo-Marxists like Amanpour say that the rich got rich off the backs of the poor and stole from them. How the hell can that be when the poor have never HAD anything to take like INCOME and WEALTH?
The sheer stupidity of libtardism continues to amaze me, but not surprise me. It's like they live in some alter universe and their world is upside down. Tell ya what Amanpour and fellow mindless libtards: you tell me how many jobs, companies, and wealth poor people create for this nation (and I won't even get into 50% of US households paying ZERO federal income taxes) and I'll tell you how much spending should be cut on their entitlement programs. Deal?
How Many Times
Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:39pm.
How many times does Ryan have to explain people now on Medicare or anyone 55 or over will not be affected. Does "the one" and dnc pay these fools who hassle Ryan and disrupt his meetings??
read my lips (part 2)
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:39pm.
There are three reasons the obamabots are pushing so hard for tax increases.
One... they know the deficit is an economic killer. Even though a tax increase is not a magic bullet it will buy enough time to get obama past 2012.
Two... it plays to the Liberal base who want to punish the successful.
Three... just as importantly, they want to divide the Republicans from the die-hard Tea Partiers who might bolt and support a third party because of any increase in taxes.
Didn't Robin Hood steal the
Submitted by rockyracoon on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:40pm.
Didn't Robin Hood steal the taxes collected from the Sheriff of Nottingham and give them back to the overtaxed people? Don't know if Christy baby's analogy is quite correct. Obviously she is too enamoured with her mulatto maroon and his attempts at controlling everyone's purse strings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w
Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.
"“As town halls across
Submitted by celator on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 6:50pm.
"“As town halls across America erupt in anger over a plan to slash spending, Republicans find themselves under fire."
Pure baloney.
I live in one of the few areas of the country which has actual annual town meetings. Right now town meetings are being held all over the state. This is the season. From what I am reading and seeing, this year citizens at town meetings are demanding reduced spending on the part of local government official.
Citizens are voting NO and reducing the cost of government or they (the town officials) will be replaced pronto. I know of two town managers who, last year, were given their walking papers because they would not reduce the cost of their town governments. They've got the message. Directly. In their face. Shape up or ship out.
At many town meetings, citizens are not approving (as they are asked to do at town meetings) new costs, new fire equipment, new polie cars, fancy dancy artsy programs. They are not approving new hires, they are voting, instead, to save the economic health of their towns and keep taxes as low as they can..
The blowhard Amanpour, as usual, is making stuff up to please her lefty buddies.
Who might these "people" be, Christiane?
Submitted by drsamherman on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:09pm.
Notice how half-wits like Christiane never bother to qualify the sources of their statements. The "people" who "studying your numbers" could be anyone from the DNC (where she gets her talking points and instructions for the day) to the local de-stabilized schizophrenics awaiting re-balancing of their medications at the local in-patient treatment center. For the most part, the DNC staffers more closely resemble the latter.
There's no question that
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:22pm.
There's no question that people are motivated by incentives and that goes for many things. The gov't never does anything well (except military) and has no incentive to improve knowing that the taxpayers will always cover for their incompetence. . The gov't is wasteful and operates at a deficit as a matter of routine. As far as I know, the Constitution only allows that the military be paid for, the other half of our budget is spent on entitlements which are NOT mandated yet that is what is hemorrhaging our economy.
Enough already with the worship of the "poor"
Submitted by Lgbpop on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:59pm.
Amanpour: "And this is reverse Robin Hoodism, if you like – take from the poor, give back to the rich again."
Kristofferson: "When you ain't got nothin, you ain't got nothin to lose"
If the poor have nothing, how can we be taking anything away from them? And if they have someting to take, why are they considered poor?
We are the only people in the world with fat poor people. The overwhelming percentage of people considered poor by the Left have automobiles, are well-clothed and are decently housed. If they are not, after all the money the government has redirected their way, the government is incapable of doing the job right - if, indeed, it's the government's responsibility to support the poor at all. If the government has been doing the job right, there should be no poor people left.
Jesus himself once said the poor will always be with us. Who am I to argue with Jesus?
Freddy the Freeloader
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:05pm.
When i was young people who would not work and support themselves were called bums and were looked down on by society. Then they evolved into the homeless and it became our responsibily to take care of them.
It really amazes me
Submitted by octavioj on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 7:50pm.
Why did she not compare the president's plan with Congressman Ryan's? And why the usage of this kind of rhetoric? And why say it is giving money to the rich? Is it not their money to begin with? And Congressman Ryan is NOT advocating lowering the effective rates but rather codifying the effective rates as the ONLY rates, no exceptions, no deductions.
just comparing the names says a lot
Submitted by mom_rox on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:10pm.
Paul Ryan's plan: "The Path to Prosperity"
vs.
President Obama's "The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility" aka "share the wealth by letting me decide who should have it".
As in the Communist Manifesto
Submitted by tinydancer on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:20pm.
Communism in America:
Great Americans are turning over in their graves all over the country.
Robin Hood did NOT "rob the rich"
Submitted by Russian55 on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:25pm.
In the ORIGINAL form, Robin Hoot robbed the TAX COLLECTORS who were overtaxing people and returned the taxes to those who paid them.
Someone should READ a little more...
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Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who kept their swords in the first place!
More Americans Are Outraged at Obama's Lack of Leadership
Submitted by Nightfly on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:29pm.
Where are all the Americans outraged at Ryan's plan? Half of them are astro turf lib protestors sent out to shout down town hall meetings. The other half exist only in Amanapour's mind. I'd like to see Obama hold a true town hall meeting where the audience wasn't hand picked. Why do you think the only protestors at Obama's events are liberal supporters of PFC. Manning? Because they were liberal and could pass the entrance screening. Amanapour is a propaganda specialist, working for the WH-Liberal media alliance.
Isn't Amanpour Practicing Reverse Robin Hoodism in News?
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:30pm.
By making her ignorant audience even more ignorant instead of educating them a little about what is actually in Ryan's bill?
Watch the other hand
Submitted by tinydancer on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:33pm.
CPUSA even has their own website. http://www.facebook.com/cpusa?sk=info
We need to vigilantly keep our eyes on all their connections in these dangerous times.
How the heck can you steal from the poor?
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 8:58pm.
They don't have anything!!
Oh, and by the way, Christiane, here is how terrible it is to be poor in the US.
So shut up. Just. shut. up.
Cristianne better hope she doesn't get Marco
Submitted by pbthinker on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 9:49pm.
I saw the segment, on Meet the Press, with Marco Rubio and David Gregory and Marco just tore it up. Gregory failed to make a single point and he was trying. Christianne, however, is a lightweight and Marco would just tear her up. Perhaps something to look forward to. LOL
Forum in Internal Affairs.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 12:04am.
23 lies and stupid from the idiot Jam Pony in one blog. A new record.
Can we get rid of this deliberately divisive troll - Jam Pony.
I wish some politician would
Submitted by mattm on Mon, 05/02/2011 - 12:46pm.
I wish some politician would remind the moronic likes of Christianne "Am-a-poor excuse for a humab being" that Robin Hood was a Libertairan who took back from the government elite what they stole from the working people. Therefore, a$$hol3s like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Nottingham Robberbarons in governments are the "reverse-Robinhoods".