Kyl Repeatedly Corrects Schieffer: No Tax ‘Cuts’ for Rich, Just Extending Existing Rates; Schieffer: ‘I Gotcha’
By Brent Baker | December 05, 2010 | 23:30
On Sunday’s Face the Nation, Republican Senate whip Jon Kyl kept correcting host Bob Schieffer about how extending tax “rates,” not “cuts,” is what is being debated, leading Schieffer to conceded “I gotcha” and even prompted Schieffer to let Kyl fill in for him the correct term. Schieffer: “Are the votes there now in the Senate, in your opinion, to extend these tax ah-“ Kyl: “Rates.”
Schieffer had asked: “Is the Senate going to get down to business and resolve this whole business of the tax cuts?” Kyl chastised: “Nobody is talking about tax cuts. We're talking about extending the rates that have been in existence for the last decade.” Nonetheless, Schieffer stuck with his terminology: “Why is it so important to Republicans to extend the tax cuts for the upper-income people?”
Democratic Senate whip Dick Durbin matched Schieffer’s framing: “I'm not voting for any permanent tax cut for the people of the highest income categories” and Kyl felt compelled to again correct Schieffer and Durbin: “First of all we're not talking about tax cuts.” Schieffer interjected “I gotcha” as Kyl continued: “We're talking about extending, for another period of time, the rates that have been in existence for the last decade.”
Later, Schieffer deferred to Kyl to complete his sentence:
SCHIEFFER: Are the votes there now in the Senate, in your opinion, to extend these tax ah-
KYL: Rates.
SCHIEFFER: Rates as you call it, for all Americans if the package includes extending unemployment benefits?
In the next segment, however, with Politico’s Jim Vandehei and CBS’s Nancy Cordes, Schieffer showed he really didn’t buy into Kyl’s phraseology: “I think that the headline, if I were going to write one right here, is that it appears they are going to extend these Bush tax rates, as Senator Kyl likes to call them. He doesn't want to call them tax cuts...”
From the Sunday, December 5 Face the Nation on CBS:
BOB SCHIEFFER: So, gentlemen, yesterday the Senate did exactly what everybody knew the Senate was going to do. We got these votes out on whether to extend the Bush tax cuts for the people who make $250,000 or less, and the Senate did, voted exactly the way we knew it would come out. They voted no. Because the Republicans say they want these tax cuts for everybody. So here we are. We've got the posturing out of the way. You might call it something different. But now Senator Kyl, is the Senate going to get down to business and resolve this whole business of the tax cuts?
SENATOR JON KYL: I hope so. We can. We should. I would just make one point. Nobody is talking about tax cuts. We're talking about extending the rates that have been in existence for the last decade, so just to be sure. And I think that most folks believe that the recipe would include at least an extension of unemployment benefits for those who are unemployed and an extension of all of the tax rates for all Americans for some period of time.
SCHIEFFER: At every level including those who make $250,000 or more. Let me just ask you this, Senator Kyl. A new CBS News poll shows that only 26 percent of those questioned wanted to extend the tax cuts for everybody, including the wealthy. 53 percent said they wanted the cuts, or the extension of the tax cuts, for the lower-income groups and I guess 14 percent want to let all of the tax cuts expire. Why was it so important, why is it so important to Republicans to extend the tax cuts for the upper-income people?
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SCHIEFFER: Would these tax cuts be temporary for everybody or would this be something permanent?
SENATOR DICK DURBIN: Well, I'm not voting for any permanent tax cut for the people of the highest income categories. And I will just say – I don't speak for anyone else -- but when it comes to the President's position and the position of Democrats in Congress, we are laser focused on this jobs issue.
SCHIEFFER: What about you, Senator Kyl? Is temporary good enough on those upper-income extensions?
KYL: First of all we're not talking about tax cuts.
SCHIEFFER: I gotcha.
KYL: We're talking about extending, for another period of time, the rates that have been in existence for the last decade.
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SCHIEFFER: Let me just ask you this. And I'll ask both of you. Are the votes there now in the Senate, in your opinion, to extend these tax ah-
KYL: Rates.
SCHIEFFER: Rates as you call it, for all Americans if the package includes extending unemployment benefits? Is that do-able? Are the votes there right now?
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Scheiffer's Assumptions
Submitted by The Grooter on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:00am.
Scheiffer apparently believes, like all progressives and Marxists, that all the money belongs to the government. The only reason anyone should get to keep any of the government's money is if the government doesn't have a current pressing need. Hence, letting people keep their money at rates that have been in existence fo a decade is somehow seen as a tax cut.
Just once I'd like to have someone like Kyl ask Scheiffer, "Hey Bob, why don't you explain to me why you keep calling keeping current rates a tax cut? "
Cutting deals, cutting throats....
Submitted by jdripper on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:04am.
If the Republicans cut a deal to help out BO there will be Hell to pay for it. Kyl was talking about giving BO what he wanted in exchange for the keeping the status quo. That will cost the GOP at the ballot box in 2012 severely.
Earth to stupid Republicans in Washington, DC. We will not forget or forgive what you do over the next three weeks if it means more spending.
Jack
Amen
Submitted by The_Barrel_Guy on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 2:00am.
My representative is California District Three... He stands to become the chairman of Committee on House Administration... That committee can and should have a significant impact on members from both sides of the aisle...
I'll lay it out right now... I really like Dan Lungren personally... But if he does not use this opportunity to support the rollback of the past two years, I shall actively oppose his renomination... He slipped through this year... It will not happen again unless he figures it out...
"Gotcha"...
Submitted by gfrrman on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:08am.
my a**. Bob the senile one, YOU'VE BEEN HAD...What an idiot. Let's see, "tax cuts"(NO), TAX RATES? YES!! A**hat. Is that so hard to differentiate? Yes, to Bob it is.
G
Newspeak is alive and well in the MSM.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:50am.
Tax cuts used for tax rates.
Now I see again we have a Republican TAKE OVER of congress being used again by the MSM. The Republicans were not reelected to the majority. No, they forcibly took the majority away from the Democrats. Seized Control.
Lying as news has gone on so long now that all these news programs are unwatchable. In MSM speak the Republicans took over congress and immediately set out to give tax cuts to the rich.
If the MSM reported truthfully they would report the Republican Party which was just re-elected to the majority in the House of Representatives, has set one of their first goals to continue the tax rates of the last 10 years. The Democrats though, wish to raise those rates.
Wouldn't it have been interesting if Schieffer had asked Durbin, "Why do Democrats want to raise tax rates during a recession?" Then if Durbin gave the usual Dem line about concern for the deficit. Schieffer could have asked. "Why not budget cuts instead of increasing tax rates?" Or "why the sudden concern now on the part of Democrats over the deficit, we have had one for decades?" But no, Schieffer has to be a Democrat puppet and spin the party lies.
SCHIEFFER: Rates as you call
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:53am.
SCHIEFFER: Rates as you call it,
No, you disingenuous old buzzard. "Rates"as that's what they are. Not "cuts" as you are trying to propagandize in your attempt to kindle class war.
What we should be saying
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:04am.
is that we don't want to return to the Clinton tax HIKES. That's what Bush cut.
tax rates
Submitted by stan25 on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:55am.
Know what really send the liberals that want the current tax rates to expire, off the deep end? The Republicans getting the extension of the current tax rates and then reneging on the unemployment extension. That would have them frothing at the mouth worse than a rabid skunk. You can bet your last dollar, the Dems would do the same thing if they were in the same position. Then we could say that the Republicans finally grew a pair.
Sadly, we must wait...
Submitted by The_Barrel_Guy on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 2:08am.
to see just exactly a pair of "what" the Republicans might grow...
I am a lifelong Republican who has the scars of the elections over the past thirty years when it looked like folks like me put the GOP in charge only to find that they not only had on pair but also had no reasonable chance of growing them anytime soon...
Keep your eyes on them... From Boehner at the top to the least new committee chair.. If they decide for whatever reason to bend over and grab their ankles, have a very -- make that VERY HOT-- poker handy to shove up into the most appropriate spaces...
I am sick and tired of woosy repubicans... We can hold them to account.. Now we have to do it...
Democratic Senate whip Dick
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:09am.
Democratic Senate whip Dick Durbin matched Schieffer’s framing: “I'm not voting for any permanent tax cut for the people of the highest income categories"
That is correct, Mr. Durbin, because there is no upcoming vote to cut any income taxes.
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
No Schieffer, Kyl is the one
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 1:09am.
No Schieffer, Kyl is the one who "gotcha" cuz he exposed your liberal bias. Like a lot of folks in the liberal media Schieffer is so liberal that he doesn't even realize his bias. Treating the Clinton tax rates as the de facto standard and the Bush tax rates as the aberration is how he exposes himself.
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonThrow it back in the libs faces
Submitted by Funbowhunter on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 2:31am.
The question Kyl should have posed was one of fairness. "So what you are saying Bob, is, you are for hiking the taxes on someone who got into your position say 6 years ago, while you got to have more of YOUR money in the last 10 years, you don't mind that they should be penelized for their hard work?
"Tut, tut, tut" Bob's response.
Kyl, "So you are going to go back those 4 years and send the government the difference?"
Bob, "NO, besided I am asking the questions!"
Kyl, "Bob, then who would YOU say, you did better under, a Republican House and Presidency, or the current makeup in Washington? Will you be better off if the Democrats have their way? And what of the American People right now, are they better off today, than what they were 4 years ago when the Democrats took over congress, pushed for the regulations that got us into this mess of a housing "bubble" in which someone is going to have FIX?
I don't understand what is
Submitted by jdhawk on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 3:03am.
I don't understand what is wrong with Republicans. They should ensure that the American people understand what is really on the table. It is fine for Kyle to correct Scheiffershit, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
The dimocrats want to throw into the bargain to get this extension done, unemployement benefits and other goodies amounting to a cost, or in current parlance adding to the deficit, over $100 billion dollars for this fiscal year alone. The extension of the tax rates for those earnings over $250,000 dollars is about $70 billion dollars for this fiscal year.
However, the extension goes right back into the economy producing a positive multiplier effect through capital formation. The $100 billion dollars for unemployment benefits has a negative multiplier effect. While we will continue to print money for it, we will eventually have to pay for it.
This message just isn't getting out.
Meanwhile, because of the ineptitude of duhbama and people like Senator Dick we have had more months of plus 9% umemployment than at any time since the Great Depression!
I cannot imagine voting for
Submitted by BD on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 8:34am.
I cannot imagine voting for any clod who approves of more unemployment compensation. What are we up to now, 99 weeks? THey want MORE?
THis is just failed welfare under a new name.
I remember when the libs used to say the Republicans "Had a party on the taxpayers dime" in the 80's because Reagan gave us our money back.
Well guys, this is just the liberals partying on the taxpayers dime....
Do you hear me McCain, Kyl, Giffords?
The Morning Schmo
Submitted by Gat New York on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:24am.
"I cannot imagine voting for any clod who approves of more unemployment compensaion."
I happened to listen to the earliest segment of the Morning Schmo Show on MSNBC and heard king of the RINOs, Scarborough, repeatedly say that tax cuts on the rich have no impact on the economy and do not create jobs. What does create jobs he says are extending unemployment benefits.
He says behind closed doors and away from the camera this is what the GOP in D.C. actually do believe.
Maybe he never was a conservative - may its the MSNBC Stockholm Syndrome - or maybe he realized that no one else is going to pay him. Whatever his reason I neve heard more ignorance from some claiming to be a Republican.
This refusal by the Obama
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:35am.
This refusal by the Obama Socialist Regimes propaganda disseminating aparatus to speak honestly about what is really going on here, not to mention what's at stake ( America's future survival as America ) is a window into the narcissistic minds of the Ass Clown and what's left of the far left wing ( still in control ) of the democrat party in Washington.
The lame street media do nothing today other than parrot the current administration talking points. Listening to Sheifer here makes the chances for any recovery before Obama gets thrown out on his ass highly unlikely.
I for one still believe Obama's goal is to actually collapse the government of the United States of America. I also believe he has no idea what he will do if his terroristic plan comes to fruition. He only wants us real ( middle & above white classes ) to feel the pain he perceives HIS PEOPLE have suffered at our hands for the past 200 or so years.
If you refer back to his written and recorded manifesto of the 20 years leading up to today, it's all succinctly laid out ( in his own words ) for all to see.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Tax increases are wrong
Submitted by arnonerik on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:42am.
T he point that needs to be made over and over again is that we don't have a tax problem in Washington. We have a spending problem. Obama and the Democrat Congress have wildly overspent during the last 2 years far exceeding Bush administration overspending. Do you believe even for one minute that if the current tax rates had ended 2 years ago that we would not still be in trouble financially in America. No! We have a spending problem and if we threw more money at Washington they would only be encouraged to spend even more. You want to solve our budget problems? We have to drastically cut spending while encouraging the private sector with fair and stable taxes and cut back on regulations so they can get our economy rolling again.
Proper Terminology
Submitted by P.J. Gladnick on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 9:42am.
Senator Kyl correcting Bob Schieffer about the correct terminology ("tax rates") reminds me of the scene from "The Right Stuff" where the astronauts had to teach the German scientist the proper terminology:
ASTRONAUT #1: YOU SEE, THOSE FELLOWS OVER THERE? HAVING BEEN MAKING US OUT AS THE SEVEN FINEST AND BRAVEST PILOTS IN ALL AMERICA. IF THE STORY WERE TO COME OUT IN THE PRESS THAT WE WERE NOT BEING ALLOWED TO FLY AS PILOTS--
ASTRONAUT #2: WE WANT A WINDOW.
GERMAN SCIENTIST: JA, THERE COULD MAYBE BE--UH--IN FUTURE CAPSULES, BE A WINDOW, UH--HERE.
ASTRONAUT #3: NO, THAT'S WHERE THE HATCH WITH EXPLOSIVE BOLTS GOES.
GERMAN SCIENTIST: THE HATCH WITH THE EXPLOSIVE--JA, A HATCH WITH EXPLOSIVE BOLTS ON THE CAPSULE.
ASTRONAUT #3: THAT IS A SPACECRAFT, SIR. WE DO NOT REFER TO IT AS A CAPSULE.
GERMAN SCIENTIST: SPACECRAFT. JA. A HATCH WITH EXPLOSIVE BOLTS ON THE--SPACECRAFT. THERE... AND THERE WILL BE PITCH AND YAW THRUSTERS WHICH WILL ENABLE THE ASTRONAUT-OCCUPANT--
ASTRONAUT: THE PILOT.
GERMAN SCIENTIST: ASTRONAUT-PILOT. JA. THE ASTRONAUT...PILOT...
And the Dems
Submitted by HockeyKid on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 12:53pm.
will insist that increasing federal domestic spending by 84% again next year is "keeping spending at its current level".
I suggest we increase the level of arsenic in the coffee urn of the Congressional Dem caucus 10% this year, then "keep it at that current level" until they all understand how the truth works.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
A new Normal
Submitted by GigglingGoogler on Mon, 12/06/2010 - 10:57pm.
In the realm of democratic speech, it started out as the Bush tax cuts, but after a decade of such, it is the "new normal!" It's not tax cuts anymore. The current rate is the NEW NORMAL!!!
seriously
Submitted by amyshulk on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 8:52am.
Wow. Just wow. It looked and sounded like an adult {Kyl} speaking to bratty kids who have NO reality on paying the bills/running a business!!!
That's what the R's need to do - show who the REAL adults are!!!
Ronald Reagan