Neither the CBS Evening News nor NBC Nightly News, in their East coast feeds Thursday night, noted the Muslim religious beliefs of the mass killer at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas, but ABC anchor Charles Gibson wasn't cowed by political correctness as he teased World News, “Fort Hood tragedy: An Army officer, a Muslim convert, is the suspect in a shooting spree...” Introducing his first story, Gibson referred to how Major Nidal Malik Hasan “an army officer, a Muslim, opened fire with handguns...” (With a range of frequency, during late afternoon/early evening coverage, CNN, FNC and MSNBC all identified Hasan as a Muslim.)
Cryptically, ABC's senior foreign affairs correspondent, Martha Raddatz, concluded a story on reaction at Fort Hood: “As for the suspect, Nadal Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, 'I wish his name was Smith.'” So, a concern this will lead to groundless fear of Muslims?
The CBS Evening News avoided any mention of Islam or Muslim faith as Katie Couric provided this benign description: “Today, according to the Army, a soldier opened fire....He's identified tonight as Army Major Nadal Malik Hasan, a licensed psychiatrist and drug and rehab specialist from Bethesda, Maryland.” NBC anchor Brian Williams: “The soldier, identified as the initial gunman here, is an Army psychiatrist, Nadal Malik Hasan. He's an officer, a Major, and he was apparently armed with two handguns.” NBC's Pete Williams insisted, the MRC's Brad Wilmouth noticed, “everything about his background is rock solid, and nothing extraordinary stands out about his background.”
(At another moment on ABC, Gibson he pointed out there's “confusion” over whether Hasan was convert or was born a Muslim. Brian Ross then offered that he “attended Damascus University in Syria and may be Jordanian -- likely not a convert if that's the case.”)
From the latter part of the story narrated from Washington, DC by Raddatz on the Thursday, November 5 World News on ABC:
MARTHA RADDATZ: Fort Hood's 1st Cavalry Division is currently deployed to Iraq, making this all the more tragic. This woman's husband is among the soldiers in Iraq.
WOMAN: He's really upset. He's freaking out. Yeah, it says [reading from PDA], “I'm freaking out here. I have no idea what's going on. The guys keep asking questions. Can someone please tell us something?” I don't believe for a second that a soldier could do this to another soldier at Fort Hood. I just, I don't believe it.
SECOND WOMAN: It's very, very stressful and we don't know what's going on.
RADDATZ: And on Capitol Hill late today, a moment of silence. Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison said the shooter was about to be deployed.
SENATOR HUTCHISON: The shooters were military people. And of course that's very troubling.
RADDATZ, ON SCREEN AT ANCHOR DESK: As for the suspect, Nadal Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, "I wish his name was Smith." Charlie.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
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Lol...wow, now we need to
November 5, 2009 - 20:41 ET by bigtimerLol...wow, now we need to put half of OT here...we've been commenting about all of this for quite awhile.
I'll have to catch up here later after the news conference...may be more to add that we haven't posted already later.
Btw...Leave it to Raddatz to report this last comment of hers, I think she is including herself and most of the left as well, starting with the Top Dog in the WH.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Media blaming Bush in 5,4,3...
November 5, 2009 - 20:42 ET by acumenRADDATZ, ON SCREEN AT ANCHOR DESK: As for the suspect, Nadil Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, I wish his name was Smith.
And the establishment media probably wishes the suspect was Catholic.
Will FOX be the only news outlet to interview Colonel Terry Lee that worked with Hassan at Fort Hood?
Isn't it peculiar how the
November 5, 2009 - 20:51 ET by gopsteveIsn't it peculiar how the msm shields the readers from the fact that the suspect in a story is Muslim or a Democrat?
Same ideology
November 5, 2009 - 20:54 ET by acumenDeny individual liberty.
JUST THE FACTS...
November 5, 2009 - 21:22 ET by danybhoyThere is no way in hell that the MSM can really try covering for this jihadi...YEA, I SAID JIHADI...& mantain any credibility with the public. The idea that this was an act of war/terrorism will be downplayed, but the facts are what they are, & even some of the more naive people will get this one.
As for wishing this was done by someone named Smith, my suggestion to any MSM clown who think like that, don't tip your hand any more then you already have.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
Call me a cynic, but…
November 5, 2009 - 23:24 ET by needle“There is no way in hell that the MSM can really try covering for this jihadi...YEA, I SAID JIHADI...& mantain any credibility with the public.”
In my opinion, danybhoy, the media is ALL about manipulating the public.
***** THERE IS NO ALLEGIANCE TO THE TRUTH ANY MORE *****
FULL STOP
The media is quite willing to lose that part of their potential audience that cares about the truth. They don’t count. They can’t be manipulated. Forget about them. The media is going after the kool-aid drinkers. That is their audience. The media’s function is to give the kook-aid drinkers their fix and keep them hooked.
And it is only going to get worse. The self-loathing and hatred of America will never be enough, just as one’s past level of opium is no longer enough; so it will always need to be ratcheted up. And as we have seen over the years, that is exactly what the Liberal media is more than willing to do, because they are hooked on the same kool-aid.
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So if it was "Achmed Smith"
November 5, 2009 - 20:48 ET by the strugglerSo if it was "Achmed Smith" these people would be less dead?
Wake Up America
November 5, 2009 - 21:04 ET by SkipperMLMLet's not Forget Hassan Akbar grenade attack
http://www.militaryphotos.net...
Meanwhile, Nidal's cousin stated on Fox tonight he was a "Good American" and he was being "harassed". Why didn't someone "section 8" him out a long time ago? When Shepherd Smith started asking about his religion, they quickly ended the interview...
http://www.foxnews.com/video...
On top of it all, the dad that "honored killed" his daughter is on "suicide watch"!
http://www.foxnews.com/story...
These guys will kill their own...they think NOTHING about killing a fellow soldier.
Waking up
November 5, 2009 - 21:14 ET by Sergeant ROCKI mentioned that in another thread.
My question is, how many more times is this going to happen before someone addresses the issue of Muslims in the military?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
SkipperMLM...
November 5, 2009 - 21:20 ET by BarkerMeanwhile, Nidal's cousin stated on Fox tonight he was a "Good American" and he was being "harassed".
I saw -and was sickened by- that exchange between Shepard Smith and the killer's cousin. Shepard Smith let the "Good American" comment slide, without question.
My question: How can you call anyone who just killed twelve people a "good American"?
Shame on Shepard Smith, and shame on FOX News.
"I wish his name was
November 5, 2009 - 20:59 ET by Snappy"I wish his name was Smith."
Not me, I for one am GLAD his name is Hasan, and that he is Muslim. I dont think it stereotypes or stigmatizes Muslims any more than any sane and rational person on this planet acknowledges the extremism and where it stems from anyway. Furthermore it gives a plausible reason for the insane actions of today that I am much more comfortable with than simply a soldier went insane and shot up his post.
WTF?
November 5, 2009 - 21:13 ET by mvfreemanOh my, we wouldn't want you to have to step out of your comfort zone.
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 21:20 ET by MrShyWe'll take take our "comfort zone" (???? -- whatever your choice of that term means) over yours in a heartbeat.
Why? Because we're not dumb as rocks.
Reading comprehension is not your forte
November 5, 2009 - 21:28 ET by mvfreemanIf you read the comment I was responding to you should notice that he/she defined their comfort zone.
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 21:36 ET by MrShyWell I'm really stupid, so give it to me in Laymen's terms, if you don't mind.
Gladly
November 5, 2009 - 21:44 ET by mvfreeman"Furthermore it gives a plausible reason for the insane actions of today
that I am much more comfortable with than simply a soldier went insane
and shot up his post"
Clear enough?
Since my comfort zone then
November 5, 2009 - 21:53 ET by SnappySince my comfort zone then has been "Defined" as being more comfortable with the plausible (and Proven) explanation of Radical Muslim Extremism being a reason for shooting up your fellow uniformed soldiers than simple unexplained madness or stress. Then I will proudly stay within my "comfort zone"
Proven?
November 5, 2009 - 22:04 ET by mvfreemanI'd love to see a link to a source for that assertion.
----------Proven as in
November 5, 2009 - 22:08 ET by Snappy----------Proven as in Radical Muslims shooting up or killing Americans, Soldiers or otherwise-------- If you still need links after the clarification I will be glad to post some.
I'm sure you can find all
November 5, 2009 - 23:27 ET by RowaneI'm sure you can find all kinds of links to jihad here http://www.jihadwatc...
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 21:55 ET by MrShyExplain how that's a "comfort zone"? Makes no sense to me at all.
Again, you're dealing with a not very bright neo-con, so as clearly as you can state it.
Sadly, I may be dealing with a dumber person than myself as I don't think you understand this persons contextual use of the word "comfortable" regarding learning what the person's last name is and the essence of his/her whole post.
But, again, maybe you'll prove me wrong.
??? Step out of my comfort
November 5, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Snappy??? Step out of my comfort zone???
An explanation is needed after a vague and unrelating sounding comment like that.
Snappy
November 5, 2009 - 21:41 ET by MrShyOne is forthcoming, we can only hope, from the "clever smart-alick" liberal who still wants to know what all the fuss is about.
We just-a keep on dragging our knuckles, walkin' round in circles in our comfy "zone"....
Okay, back to dialogue with the sane, concerned part of humanity.
OMG!!
November 5, 2009 - 21:52 ET by mvfreemanHe disagrees with me!!!
He must be a liberal!!!
That ridiculously lame charge is sooo cliched.
I'm sure it won't be the last time I hear it around here.
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 21:58 ET by MrShyAre you done being a cute, stupid.... I dunno, whatever you are.... so we can go back to respectfully mourning the horrible tragedy at the hands of -- you guessed it -- radicalized Islam -- we're all blogging about here?
Riiiiiiight
November 5, 2009 - 22:11 ET by mvfreemanNot a single one of your posts mentioned any condolensces or prayers or anything at all that would be considered mourning.
All you have done is make bigoted comments and try to indict an entire religion.
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 22:17 ET by MrShyMove along.
Radical Islam is senselessly killing people at a mind-numbing rate. Don't blame us for the outrage and subsequent teasing of it. Really.
The "entire religion" IS a problem. A very serious one. Oh, you don't see that? Okay.
LOLL
November 5, 2009 - 22:36 ET by mvfreeman"The "entire religion" IS a problem"
At least you're honest about your prejudice.
So when people make ridiculous broad brush assumptions about millions of people based on religious or cultural affiliations, and that group happens to include you, I guess you'll know exactly where they're coming from.
"At least you're honest
November 5, 2009 - 22:51 ET by MrShy"At least you're honest about your prejudice."
It's not freaking prejudice. Wake the heck up, moron.
We are making broad brush "PREsumptions" about millions of people based on, perhaps, a million or more of them going around and killing people for the love of their God, and many millions more not saying much and very often sympathizing for their brethren's "cause".
They'll "come for me" when a whole bunch of my Agnostic brethren start running around bombing people to death, and then I won't blame them and I might just consider changing MY "religion"... as that would be some crazy stuff if they did that.
Man, you're ignorant. Sorry, but you are.
Let's not forget that many
November 5, 2009 - 23:00 ET by Radical1979Let's not forget that many mosques in this country who are "peaceful" send money to the organizations who promote and plan violence against us.
Also, take a look at the Phillipine Islands. Once predominantly Catholic, Muslims entered to spread their religion. This has been done predominantly bu guerilla warfare in an attempt to take over the government of the country. So yes, some of us DO have a problem with Islam and will continue to do so until this religion stops promoting terrorism.
Losing your head over religion
November 5, 2009 - 23:03 ET by Sergeant ROCKThey have such convincing ways to convert you however.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sad about the
November 5, 2009 - 23:18 ET by MaximusBraveheartSad about the Phillipines... neat country. The show "Locked up Abroad" had a couple good episodes about being captured by Muslim extortionists there. Losing your head is right... M-B
Phillipines
November 5, 2009 - 23:22 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat is an alarming situation.
Muslims are having a much easier time 'converting' the Euro-weenies - weirdly enough.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Rad79
November 5, 2009 - 23:10 ET by MrShyYes, it's documented that many mosques do this -- many have been "caught", that is, and who knows how countless many more are either indifferent to the violence going on all around us, or again, sympathetic. It's a sick religion. I've seen enough, as many have. And then there's a whole OTHER host of things that should be fully insulting to "progressive" modern, 21st Century people, like their treatment of women, the many ways they infringe on societies when they spread out to new places.
mvfreeman and his/her ilk are dangerous to us all when they whistle past the graveyard like this and run to defend Muslims.
Dangerous??
November 5, 2009 - 23:24 ET by mvfreemanHyperbole much?
I'm not running to or from anything.
Just out of curiosity, do you even know anyone who is muslim?
Yes, I do. Now back to your
November 5, 2009 - 23:59 ET by MrShyYes, I do.
Now back to your curious way of attaching the word "hyperbole" to what's going on with Islam today.
Elaborate. Yeah, you're definitely quite ignorant. But sorry, again, explain to me how there's hyperbole going on here.
Same ol', same ol'
November 6, 2009 - 00:15 ET by mvfreemanYou're still having trouble with reading.
You called me dangerous, which I alluded to in the subject line.
"mvfreeman and his/her ilk are dangerous to us all"
So anyone with two brain cells to rub together would know what I was referring to.
Your continual self-deprecating ignorance is not much of a stretch.
mvfreeman
November 6, 2009 - 00:31 ET by MrShyWell, no. Next time, be specific about what you saw as hyperbole... which, well, you only did just now.
But no, that statement for me is hardly hyperbole as when your ilk (yeah, "your ilk") straddle the fence with a lot of Christian-Islam equating and relativism, you become kind of like a third party who's lost votes hurt one of the two primary ones.
There's a very good party vs. an evil party struggle going on here. Do you disagree?
Please...
November 5, 2009 - 23:17 ET by mvfreemanNot sharing your mentality about a certain religion does not make anyone ignorant.
I choose to judge people as individuals and not based on what group they belong to.
There are plenty of people who sympathize with the killer of George Tiller, they even wanted to have an auction on Ebay for his benefit, celebrating his "cause". Granted, christian fanatics aren't as numerous as radical muslims, but no one (except athiests) is blaming all of christendom.
Your claim that millions of "them" are killing people is preposterous.
Where are the millions of victims?
The moron you are talking about is in the nearest mirror.
mvfreeman
November 6, 2009 - 00:05 ET by MrShyYou completely ignorant and blind ignoramous of a moron.
If this is a scorecard for you, get ready....
You? George Tiller, George Tiller, George Tiller.... and George Tiller. Which was about abortion more than anything to do with Christianity.
Me? I can't even start as it's such a grotesque number of people killed around the globe -- every day -- over Islam.
You're a fool and I can't suffer you any longer.
EDIT: And when you throw out this nugget:
"Granted, christian fanatics *aren't as numerous* as radical muslims"
... the understatement of all understatements in the history of man, then I know I'm wasting my time with an apologist, straight up.
Come on man...
November 6, 2009 - 00:32 ET by mvfreemanI mentioned Tiller twice, not four.
"Which was about abortion more than anything to do with Christianity."
HAHAHAHA!!!
Are you serious??? What religion was the killer a member of??
Damn, I can't waste my time with an apologist.
mvfreeman
November 6, 2009 - 00:25 ET by MrShySorry to get on you like we're doing, but we just can't understand why you seemingly don't see an urgency with the seriously dangerous, death-loving element of Islam we are witnessing at such an alarming clip by people, groups, FATHERS of daughters, Jihadists, secretly radicalized muslim U.S. soldiers!, sleeper cells, you name it, all over the globe.
To quote general company, below, he's spot on... and I'll put them in bullets, too, as each one nails it:
It's about saying enough is enough and really choosing a side. These people are after us -- you, me -- our way of life. That's not hyperbole, and if you want to continue thinking it is, it's your hide and oh well.
When prejudice is proven
November 5, 2009 - 23:32 ET by RowaneWhen prejudice is proven right enough times it becomes a profile for the perpetrator.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Please, be offended
November 6, 2009 - 00:26 ET by needleThere is only one time history that I can think of when thousands of worshippers of a particular religion went on an out-of-control rampage at many localities all over the world over some silly cartoons, destroying and damaging untold amounts of property. (Even if someone were able to come up with some counter example, I doubt that it would be relevant to present day currents events.)
It is true that the total numbers of rampaging Muslims was less than one percent of the worshippers of their religion. On the other hand, I do not know of any Muslim that expressed any shame or regret or the slightest scintilla of sorrow or concern. I have no evidence that there is any Muslim on the face of the earth that is in the leastwise contrite about what happened. Islam is religion of fatwas, and it is completely intertwine with a culture of revenge and bloody martyrdom. Calling Islam a religion of Peace is a superb example of double-talk. Whenever anybody publicly speaks up and asks for some apology from Muslims, CAIR goes ballistic.
So, yeah, you may put on your PC hat and posture this way and that about being shocked and offended; but it seems to me that there is ample evidence here and elsewhere to support the impression that there is definitely something wrong and offensive about Islam.
Oh, btw, how often do you hear about a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu, or a Buddhist, or a druid, etc. strapping on wads of dynamite and then strolling into a crowded situation just so that he can blowing himself up and kill a bunch of strangers in the process. That offends anybody that has the slightest grip on Natural Law, but not a Muslim and not a postmodern secularist either apparently. I have never heard a Muslim decry this practice, and come to think of it I have never hear a Liberal decry it either, or dare to say so much as “Gosh, what is it with those Muslims?” Why? I guess as far as postmodern secularists are concerned, such practices are just as OK with them as they are with Muslims.
So you go right ahead and be offended.
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Needle
November 6, 2009 - 00:32 ET by RESTLESS 1I'm always amused at how the secularists are the great defenders of this murderoud breed. Seeing as how it is the secularists the muslims hate the most. The secularists are pro abortion, pro gay, and pro free sex. This is the "western" civilization that the muslims hate so much.
Go figure.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Please be offended--
November 6, 2009 - 14:33 ET by matthewdeanNeedle:
I am unsure what part(s) of " freemans' " post(s) pi**ed me off the most, the presumed smugness, the supposed superiority, or the sheer idiocy put forth.
While this persons' intention is, I am sure, to at a minimum rattle some conservative cages, which did work on me, I find it so ironic that " freemans' " username is so like the Liberal world really is, the opposite of what a name or title implies.
For all the hogwash, how much of a "freeman" does this fool think he/she would or could be in a fully Muslim world?
Since I am not allowed to say how much I would like to reach through the system (because of my care and concern for such a benighted individual) and physically embrace them to a better way and mode of thinking, I shall not say that.
Suffice it to say, then, that your most articulate and righteous slapdownandputinplace worked perfectly for me.
I thank you.
MD
"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."
Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Pathetically silly
November 6, 2009 - 23:03 ET by mvfreemanSeems almost trollish.
Internet tough guy attitude, but no balls or brains to make a direct response.
Then puts on the knee pads for a post that "worked prefectly for me".
Needle should be thanking you.
Giving you the benefit of
November 5, 2009 - 23:31 ET by KarmaGiving you the benefit of the doubt, freeman, that you are not simply unaware of your surroundings, your progressive philosophy and naivety will at the very least, enslave or claim the lives of vast numbers of innocents. It won't be neat. You have the ability to be a small part in stopping this insanity. Think before you vote.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
This is too funny
November 6, 2009 - 00:01 ET by mvfreemanHow, exactly, did I proclaim a progressive philosophy???
To be conservative you have to be against Islam in toto? I must have missed the memo.
Once again, refusing to judge over a billion people by the acts of some sects is not being naive.
"your progressive philosophy and naivety will at the very least, enslave or claim the lives of vast numbers of innocents"
At this point I'll have to say FU.
Where have I said we shouldn't fight terrorism?
You find this funny?
November 6, 2009 - 00:32 ET by KarmaGreat sense of humor there.
Who said you proclaimed anything? It's my perception.
Memo kinda guy, huh. Alright, MEMO: This conservative is not against Islam. Not for it either. Simple enough for you?
Who is judging a billion people? Even that's not funny.
Calm down and consider some Lifebouy. Or something.
I don't know where you said that. Show me.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
Maybe he meant the comfort
November 5, 2009 - 22:00 ET by MaximusBraveheartMaybe he meant the comfort zone of the wife or the reporter that passed that statement on? That would make the most sense. Just not stated clearly.
edit: guess I was wrong based on: "He disagrees with me!!!" post above.
M-B
MB
November 5, 2009 - 22:13 ET by MrShyYes, you are a kind person to give him/her/THE LIBERAL :p the benefit of the doubt. But his/her/it's inappropriate snark, on this of all threads, smelled bad from the get-go.
I agree since this gives
November 5, 2009 - 21:17 ET by MaximusBraveheartI agree since this gives logical reason for the event. Why would you want some "Smith" to do it for no reason? Head in sand media... This is sheer proof we need to be careful, particularly with Muslims as demonstrated here and in other situations. This does not imply all Muslims are a threat but that they warrant a closer look given limited security resources. And THEN he seemed to be angry! Any alarms there? M-B
When I left Fort Hood, a
November 5, 2009 - 21:04 ET by ricklailWhen I left Fort Hood, a same peice of me stayed behind. My heart goes out to families of those killed. I am proud to have served in the 1st CAV. I still have some friends arround Copperas Cove.
But don't make this an issue on gun control. You can have a weapon on base if you live there. If it is in your vehicle it is supposed to locked away where you can't get to it.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Nancy Pelosi was right.
November 5, 2009 - 21:06 ET by danboWe've seen this kind of hate before.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
→ You're right danbo
November 5, 2009 - 21:47 ET by Cool ArrowWe saw that hate when a Democrat murdered Harvey Milk in the incident to which Nancy refers.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
→ Raddatz
November 5, 2009 - 21:08 ET by Cool ArrowWe've already been to war with a whole country full of Smith surnames.
But it wasn't a Smith, it was a full-fledged, religion of peace, MUSLIM!
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
A RELIGION IN PIECES...
November 7, 2009 - 08:01 ET by danybhoyIt's very telling that Islamic "community leaders" keep pounding away that Islam is the "religion of peace", when all of the evidence points the other direction. Here is a link from the US State Dept, it lists all of the current travel warnings. There is a common connection. PLEASE HAVE A LOOK & CLICK TO READ A FEW OF THE NATION SPECIFIC WARNINGS. It does make for interesting reading...
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
...on top of the fact that they are almost all 3rd world crapholes, the "religion of piece" is front & center. Not many people named Smith in any of the places listed.
"...How blind can you be, don't you see...
...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."
Nightwish
They went out of their way....
November 5, 2009 - 21:16 ET by superconto show other examples of soldier violence and compare todays incident to those. They left out the one about the muslim soldier rolling grenade into a tent in Kuwait. They were clearly trying to sanitize the story from the muslim connection.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
Agreed, the press should
November 5, 2009 - 21:19 ET by shawn228Agreed, the press should tell it the way it is
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Thatsis just not right
November 5, 2009 - 21:15 ET by shawn228If being Muslim has even a little bit to do with the tragedy today it should be reported. The corespondent was right about the possiblity of there being a backlash against Muslims though.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
→ I missed it Shawn
November 5, 2009 - 21:21 ET by Cool ArrowI missed the part about the "possiblity of there being a backlash against Muslims"
Could you direct me to it, please?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
cool -->
November 5, 2009 - 21:25 ET by MrShyYes, cool, the backlash will be, we hope, "Islamic fundamentalism is a cancer and must be crushed."
What a frightening backlash.
→ Shy
November 5, 2009 - 21:48 ET by Cool ArrowMore watered down than that.
It's already being spun down to a "troubled man"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA and quickly morphing into
November 5, 2009 - 22:31 ET by Radical1979CA and quickly morphing into the fault of the military and soldiers having by deployed (Maddow tonight).
Cool, those were not the
November 5, 2009 - 21:31 ET by shawn228Cool, those were not the corespondents words, they were my words ,because I did not want people to think that I agree with the way she phrased it.
edit
and any backlash would certainly not be groundless, however there are many peaceful Muslims in this country and they are all give a black mark because of Islamic extremist
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
shawn
November 5, 2009 - 21:34 ET by MrShy"and any backlash would certainly not be groundless, however there are many peaceful Muslims in this country and they are all give a black mark because of Islamic extremist"
Because of.... Islamic extremism.... good Muslims are given a black mark....
Hmmm..... So, what to do?...... what to do??.......
I'm not sure Shy
November 5, 2009 - 21:40 ET by shawn228It is a hard question to answer. I am just saying that good Muslims will have to face some scrutiny in the next few days.
It certainly doesn't help them when your kindred spirit gives KOS and DU great talking points when he refers to them as "ragheads". Islam is not the only religion to use a turban.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
shawn
November 5, 2009 - 21:42 ET by MrShyAgreed. Ragheads is not nice.
Towelheads, perhaps?
Camelriders?
Ford pick-up/AK47 gangstas?
Ragheads
November 5, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Sergeant ROCKNote his obession? You should be jealous!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sarge
November 5, 2009 - 21:48 ET by MrShyMy pal!
Forgot, btw... it's "Camel Jockeys" (my brother's favorite for the many cab drivers here...)
No obsession here Corporal Klinger
November 5, 2009 - 21:49 ET by shawn228I feel it is pretty tacky making fun of something sacred from someone's religion. I would be saying the exact same thing if this was a reference to a Bible or Cross.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
fraud228
November 5, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Sergeant ROCKNo more tacky than your weird obsession for what I post.
I'll bet you've got more posts whining about a subject like this than you do on a subject like Islamofacists beheading Americans - don't you?
Further, I'll bet YOU too wish this guy's name was 'Smith' - don't you?
Fraud..
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
LMAO Sarge
November 5, 2009 - 22:01 ET by shawn228My goodness you have an ego the size of Texas don't you? I referenced two of your sayings and I am obsessed? I condem any acts of violence toward Americans and I hate Islamic extemeist, now your just lying. Good lord, you really need to go back to cleaning those latrines.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
sodomite228
November 5, 2009 - 22:05 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's funny.. but truth be told, had you any guts and joined the military - it would be your head that would be used to clean the latrines. I'd see to that.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Oh goodness your comebacks are quite silly
November 5, 2009 - 22:24 ET by shawn228Ok, lets see what else you said in the past. Since your conservative you claim you use facts and logic. I say people should not attack religious symbols.
Your comebacks are, I could care less about Americans getting killed and I am upset that it was a Muslim that did this instead of a Non Muslim. Wow your facts really work for you you....lol.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
shawn
November 5, 2009 - 22:32 ET by MrShyTake it elsewhere.
diversions228
November 5, 2009 - 22:34 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou apply the same tactic as with the name-calling. Which is, rather than address the issue at hand, Muslim killing American soldiers, you'd rather blather on and on and on..
'LOOK! EVERYONE!.. He said 'raghead'!!'
Repeat as necessary.
And then your hypocrisy has already been noted in another post - Mr. Pot. I mean, last word shawnny.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
diverted
November 5, 2009 - 23:17 ET by shawn228"Which is, rather than address the issue at hand, Muslim killing American soldiers, you'd rather blather on and on and on.. "
Really? I thought the article was about a reporter talking about groundless fears against Muslims. "her words, not mine"
Don't let those facts and logic hit you on your butt on the way back to mess hall to eat crow
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
True, How unfortunate
November 5, 2009 - 22:00 ET by SnappyTrue,
How unfortunate that some people feel the need to take something sacred and make fun of it. How do you think he/she would feel if someone made a tv comedy in which someone urinates on a picture Christ and its gets mistaken as a miracle.
Shameless, just shameless.
shawn
November 5, 2009 - 22:04 ET by MrShy"I would be saying the exact same thing if this was a reference to a Bible or Cross."
But alas, for what, the MILLIONTH TIME in the past several decades or half century all over the world -- Gaza/Isreal, all the Middle East, Spain, UK, South Africa, West Asia, Indonesia, NYC, D.C., now an ARMY BASE, etc., etc., etc.. -- this mass killing is not about the Christian Bible or Cross. It's about "that other religion".
It deserves all the scorn and ridicule it gets. It made a terribly messy bed for itself.
Yes, to paraphrase the
November 5, 2009 - 22:23 ET by BDYes, to paraphrase the great Dennis Miller when he referenced the
"religion of Peace" back in the 1990's. Something like....
"its the several million of violent thugs who ruin it for the six or so peaceful ones."
I have to speak up here, shawn
November 5, 2009 - 22:06 ET by Candance MooreYou were given a chance to condemn an anti-Christian image on ABC and you told me it wasn't that bad.
There's a surprise..
November 5, 2009 - 22:13 ET by Sergeant ROCKHis schtick is a lot of pot calling kettle black and very little substance, but a lot of hypocrisy.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
What? Moral relivence?
November 5, 2009 - 22:28 ET by general companyWhere did he go? Seems Shawns indignation has gotten the best of him
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Nope,
November 5, 2009 - 22:34 ET by general companyGuess not?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hi Candance
November 5, 2009 - 22:27 ET by shawn228Something like what what Larry David did was horrible, same with Sarah Silverman. This was a made for tv movie where the cross fell down during during some rumbling. It was not desicrated or talked about in vain.
At the very least that scene can be up for an ambiguous interpretation. There is nothing ambiguous about calling someone a raghead.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Yea your right
November 5, 2009 - 22:31 ET by general companyPi$$ing on Mohammad would be less offensive. I can see the rioters now,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Come on GC
November 5, 2009 - 22:34 ET by shawn228Thats just a dishonest comparision. No one peed on the Bible or the Cross. If I saw a similar scene in a Mosque I would not think twice
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Well maybe
November 5, 2009 - 22:41 ET by general companyBut we all no why Christian takes the brunt of the abuse.
Because they are scared to death of Muslims
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General company
November 5, 2009 - 23:10 ET by shawn228Your preaching to the choir here, I hate the double standard as well, just because I disagree with the undertones of one scene on tv does not mean I think cheap shots against Christians are ok
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Well, its not the double standard that bothers me.
November 5, 2009 - 23:23 ET by general companyIts the supposed moral equivalence. One of these religions are killing folks at an alarming rate, and the other gets treated as if they are the ones doing it. We cower to one and belittle the other. Islamic fascist should be ridiculed unmercifully. You want to kill recruitment, make them laughing stocks, take there threats seriously. Time we start doing a little legal intimidating.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
if you say so, shawn
November 5, 2009 - 22:34 ET by Candance MooreI've been called a lot of names for being Pentecostal and no news reporter ever cried for me. In no way am I defending calling someone a raghead, but it seems that some forms of persecution are worse than others.
Smashing a statue of Christ flat on his face is pretty obvious, even if they did use some "rumbling" as an excuse for it.
Your outrageous outrage over all of this invisible Muslim persecution is duly noted.
The persecution of sodomite228
November 5, 2009 - 22:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou have to remember that shawnny hates Christianity because it remains the biggest obstacle to his grandiose vision of Sodom and Gomorrah re-borned. He went so far as to equate the amount of freedom that you can have to that of how much sodomy you can engage in.
So goes the enemy of my enemy is my friend as far as his apologist rhetoric goes.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt. Rock
November 5, 2009 - 22:43 ET by Free Stinkerremember that shawnny hates Christianity
What makes you say that?
I've never seen Shawn make any comments that would lead my to believe that.
خال
Really?
November 5, 2009 - 22:49 ET by Sergeant ROCKI've never known him to DEFEND Christianity. At least not with the same fervor as he does the enemies of it. And you may be surprised to learn that the 'gay agenda' is not compatible with Christianity.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt. Rock
November 5, 2009 - 22:50 ET by Free StinkerI've never known him to DEFEND Christianity.
Wow. Solid proof there. /Sarcasm Off
And you may be surprised to learn that the 'gay agenda' is not compatible with Christianity.
I am aware of that, but thanks for assuming I'm ignorant.
خال
You're welcome.
November 5, 2009 - 22:53 ET by Sergeant ROCKEOM
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Logic and reason
November 5, 2009 - 22:57 ET by shawn228Lol Rock, oh would this be one of those case's of dodge and parry you accuse others of? I have not seen you for a while, they must have let you out of the brig for a while.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Parody anyone?
November 5, 2009 - 23:07 ET by general companyI am aware of that, but thanks for assuming I'm ignorant.
I've never seen Sarge make any comments that would lead my to believe that.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General Company
November 5, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Free StinkerYou have a nice day too
خال
Sure,
November 5, 2009 - 23:29 ET by general companyThanks
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Theres those facts and logic again SR
November 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by shawn228Because I disagree with Candance on a scene, I hate Christianity. Wow just like you say I support terrorists and have sympathy for American deaths. Serious Rock, I know your happy because one of my friends is disagreeing with me and hoping for everyone to turn on me, but at least back up your facts with logic.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~If your attitude
November 5, 2009 - 23:27 ET by choselife3xIs what he had to judge Christianity by, he would be fully justified to hate it.
Put your ROCK down before you get beaned with it.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Off your meds again??
November 5, 2009 - 23:34 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe same could be said YOU - a coddler of sodomites. I suspect you will deny Him three times, given your weakness for sodomites.
In the meanwhile, enjoy a nice cup of Shut The Hell Up! You obsessive troll.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt. Rock
November 5, 2009 - 23:36 ET by Free StinkerThat wasn't very nice.
خال
~He's showing us how peaceful his religion is
November 5, 2009 - 23:39 ET by choselife3xIn order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
My My the Sarge is getting unhinged
November 5, 2009 - 23:39 ET by shawn228Lol, I think he should unwind with some herbal tea.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~Show him some more of your Christian love
November 5, 2009 - 23:41 ET by choselife3xI think you're winning him over.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Child Neglect
November 5, 2009 - 23:45 ET by Sergeant ROCKWait a minute.. aren't you the one that traded shots with someone here because you neglect your children or something? Maybe it was someone else..
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt Rock
November 5, 2009 - 23:46 ET by Free StinkerThat wasn't nice either.
خال
~Hahahaha.....desperate!
November 5, 2009 - 23:49 ET by choselife3xHe's on the ropes and gone to attacking another posters children!
OMO, take your thumb out of your mouth and stop crying. You'll wake my sleeping children.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
So, it was you.. lol
November 5, 2009 - 23:51 ET by Sergeant ROCKI don't recall you fairing too well in that exchange. Was that before your doctor increased your dosage?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Scorecard
November 5, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Free StinkerTRANSLATION:
Chose: 2
Sarge: 0
خال
That's your opinion, and
November 5, 2009 - 23:56 ET by bigtimerThat's your opinion, and your scorecard shtick is getting way past old.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Calm down.
November 5, 2009 - 23:59 ET by Free StinkerCalm down.
Go fly a kite Stinker...do
November 6, 2009 - 00:05 ET by bigtimerGo fly a kite Stinker...do something useful.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
~Still dodging the subject, I see
November 5, 2009 - 23:56 ET by choselife3xIs Shawn supposed to be won over by your brand of Christianity? Is anyone?
What part of sticking his head in a toilet demonstrates your Christian spirit? Will he be impressed by your representation of Christ?
I never knew ye, Sarge.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Chose
November 6, 2009 - 00:13 ET by RESTLESS 1Sarge here is not trying to win over anyone to Christianity. He hates Christianity.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
~With a deep and abiding passion
November 6, 2009 - 00:15 ET by choselife3xObviously.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Could not agree more Restless
November 6, 2009 - 00:18 ET by shawn228Since the Sarge does not have to back up any accusations, I guess neither do I. He hates Christians, He is a in the closet gay person, and as Obama would say the Sarge has a small wee wee
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
~*groans*
November 6, 2009 - 00:22 ET by choselife3xI see Sarge's peculiar brand of Christianity has rubbed off on Shawn already....
Calamine lotion might help, Shawn. With the itching, anyway.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
lol Chose
November 6, 2009 - 00:25 ET by shawn228Sorry, got carried away
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
BRAINLESS1
November 11, 2009 - 10:09 ET by Sergeant ROCKRight, dumbass. You go ahead and keep defending and apologizing for the sodomite promoting sodomy. where's that in the Bible?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Private Benjamin?
November 11, 2009 - 10:15 ET by shawn228This thread is kind of old for a comeback, I realize it takes you days to think of something that creative, might want to pick a newer thread to try your rehearsed material.
Ah. Thought I wouldn't find you?
November 11, 2009 - 13:11 ET by RESTLESS 1Sorry, but the teardrop hairdo* always gives you away.
I defended nobody. Just used the same brilliant logic you used.
*-Teardrop hairdo: look accomplished by the sudden plucking of one's head from one's ass.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
R1
November 11, 2009 - 18:06 ET by shawn228He enjoys keeping it there because he enjoys the smell of his own farts.
Rock... It's not worth
November 5, 2009 - 23:53 ET by bigtimerRock...
It's not worth your precious time in life to bother with this group that peg some of us posters they decide on their high horse aren't to be here if they deem what is posted as unacceptable...why they're just the cats meow dontcha know....just ask them.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
خال
November 5, 2009 - 23:54 ET by Free StinkerCute . . . by half-wit.
خال
Focus people!
November 5, 2009 - 23:59 ET by MightyMouthStop the conservative bickering! Focus on what we agree on!
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
That wasn't very
November 5, 2009 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerBoo-hoo Stinker...
Why that wasn't very nice.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Yeah, what a fan club they have here.. lol
November 5, 2009 - 23:57 ET by Sergeant ROCKOne under-medicated pre-menopausal, deranged female, a 12 year old sodomite and some jackass that feels compelled to 'moderate' these forums as though he's the owner or something.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~Pre-menopausal? (he said to the 29 year old..as of Tuesday..)
November 6, 2009 - 00:01 ET by choselife3xSo you can't disagree with a woman without attacking her motherhood or her physical womanhood?
What is wrong with you?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
hmmm
November 6, 2009 - 00:02 ET by shawn228and yet Sergeant ROCK, you still have no facts to back up your accusations toward me. Quite sad for a person that preaches facts and logic
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
I'm not trying to moderate
November 6, 2009 - 00:04 ET by Free StinkerI'm not trying to moderate anything.
YOU said Shawn hates Christianity
YOU bugged out when I disagreed with you
YOU are saying things specifically designed to anger others. And it's failing misserably. (And totaly transparent)
خال
Oh?
November 6, 2009 - 00:08 ET by general companyI'm not trying to moderate anything.
You sure your not the 12 yr old sodimite?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
~*
November 6, 2009 - 00:09 ET by choselife3xIn order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Hey,
November 6, 2009 - 00:20 ET by general companyAre we going to review this another time? Bet it's still funny!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
lol... it is.
November 6, 2009 - 00:22 ET by Sergeant ROCKEOM
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
~He giggled before ducking back under his ROCK
November 6, 2009 - 00:26 ET by choselife3xStill didn't answer my posts.
I'm accepting your surrender and taking your flag.
On second thought, as I see it's just an old pair of worn Jockeys, you can keep it.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
LOL FS... Pot calling
November 6, 2009 - 00:08 ET by bigtimerLOL FS...
Pot calling kettle...talk about transparency...what a laugh.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Free Whiner
November 6, 2009 - 00:10 ET by Sergeant ROCKYES you are.
Maybe 'hate' was too strong a word.. eh.. maybe not. That's not your call Mr, Moderater. Feel free to whine about it if you like.
Bugged out? Ignoring your one liners is 'bugging out', Ok then.
More pot calling the kettle black.. meanwhile you ignore the same from your fellow fan club members. Indeed, how transparent.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Free Whiner
November 6, 2009 - 00:13 ET by Free StinkerFree Whiner
Ooooh! That hurt. /Sarcasm Off
خال
Free Whiner
November 6, 2009 - 00:24 ET by Sergeant ROCKSpeaking of 'bugging out'... Ha! Ha! Ha!
You may return to your moderating duties.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sgt. Rock
November 6, 2009 - 00:30 ET by Free StinkerAnd I'm sure you're proud of yourself too.
خال
Chose
November 6, 2009 - 00:31 ET by shawn228I think the Sarge is into the religion of "self love" The Sergeant is going to rent Lord of the Rings, take out his precious and pull rank and give himself a dishonorable discharge.
edit
Waiting for the inevitable Cool Arrow response :- )
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
Well Candance
November 5, 2009 - 22:43 ET by shawn228I'm not sure what you mean about outrageous outrage, I am simply saying I don't like the word "raghead"
There have been two threads about V. No one except for you including the authors of the threads said anything about that scene, so I guess we have to agree to disagree about the anti Christian undertones of the scene.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
2012
November 5, 2009 - 22:17 ET by dvdaughtryThis guy will take a shot at every religion.
Except one.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/11/what_even_rolan.php
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Actually it's not a
November 5, 2009 - 21:53 ET by donaldborschjrActually it's not a turban. It's a kafia, and it is the only headgear allowed for Muslim men to wear.
A turban is more associated with the sihk religion.
And I know this because some Kurds gave me one as a gift during my stay in the Sandbox, so I could blend in better. A red one, which is associated with war. The blue ones are worn in times of peace.
A Muslim wouldn't touch a turban.
Citizen Commentators Unite!
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You sure Donald?
November 5, 2009 - 21:58 ET by shawn228I'm not saying your wrong, but do you have a link? I did a search and I thought that is something a woman wears.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
A Muslim woman wearing a
November 5, 2009 - 22:03 ET by donaldborschjrA Muslim woman wearing a kafia? Not in this lifetime.
I'm very sure, shawn228. My link is my experience with the Kurdish tribe I associated with in the Sanbox. Men, only, wear kafias.
But back to the real reason for this thread....
Citizen Commentators Unite!
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ragheads is certifiably rude
November 5, 2009 - 22:10 ET by Candance MooreMen in the Sikh religion cover their hair, and they know the hatred of radical Islam even better than we do. Not to mention Jewish men who wear a yamukkah, which could also be called a rag.
No rag head nonsense here, please.
Hmm, that's funny.....
November 5, 2009 - 22:21 ET by BarkerNot to mention Jewish men who wear a yamukkah, which could also be called a rag.
I've never, ever heard of a yamukkah being called a rag, until now.
Candance- It's
November 5, 2009 - 22:24 ET by donaldborschjrCandance- It's "yarmulke".
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I hear ya man!!!
November 5, 2009 - 21:42 ET by mvfreemanWhen George Tiller was murdered by a Christian extremist I told all my buddies at church and my Catholic relatives that we need to denounce and reject such senseless violence.
And they agreed. Only problem was we didn't have the clout to get a covered press conference.
mvfreeman
November 5, 2009 - 21:47 ET by MrShyCongrats. You're still being cute and throwing us the most absurd, imbalanced relativism argument.
Meanwhile, the rest of us mourn 13 killed and 30 more injured, on an ARMY BASE, no less. Over Islam, no doubt, which is the cause of many many many killed ... every. single. day. around the world.
Good going. Heartless doofus.
Respectfully, where is pure
November 5, 2009 - 21:50 ET by SickofLibsRespectfully, where is pure bullsh*t considered an "argument?"
SoL
November 5, 2009 - 22:30 ET by MrShyReligion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace.
And how dare we mock it. Let's get out of our "barbaric" comfort zones and embrace this.....
Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace. Religion of peace.
Or, as its known in other
November 5, 2009 - 23:56 ET by RowaneOr, as its known in other places ROPMA, Religion of Peace My Arse
******************************************************************************
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Rowane
November 6, 2009 - 00:10 ET by MrShyThat sounds like, hmm.... in the UK? :p
→ Shawn
November 5, 2009 - 21:41 ET by Cool ArrowWhat I read was "a concern this will lead to groundless fear of Muslims?"
I don't think we're feeling a lot of "fear" right now.
I'm sure we'll hear a renunciation from Obama's pastor real soon.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
shawn
November 5, 2009 - 21:23 ET by MrShyOh, there will be a backlash against Muslims -- as in, demanding they truly stand up against this barbarism. But it's not the "correspondent's" job to be thinking about consequences, now is it?
Right. Nope, it's not.
Shy
November 5, 2009 - 21:32 ET by shawn228I agree with you, Muslims need to truly condem these barbaric acts.
"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK
→ They won't
November 5, 2009 - 21:44 ET by Cool ArrowIt's many years too late for me to believe any such denunciation would be heartfelt.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I have to agree with you Cool...
November 6, 2009 - 00:13 ET by RukusHow many years has this been going on? 10, 20, 100, 1000??? It needs to stop at some point! Killing folks for their beliefs???This is the 2000's! Time to get with the times! Christian extremist attacks in the last century? Few, some bad, yes, but few. Muslims extremist attacks against innocents, MANY!!! And getting worse as far as I can see! It's the 21st centrury the last I checked... not the 3rd! This is getting old! Time to stomp it into the hell-hole it needs to be stomped into. The deep-deep, dark-dark, deep-dark, deep-dark pit! (Parents will understand this!) Extremism is UNACCEPTABLE!! Rant off!!
For what it's worth... The
November 5, 2009 - 21:29 ET by Dan DiegoFor what it's worth... The Col on Fox said he stated "muslims should not have to fight muslims" (paraphrased).
snip " The Associated
November 5, 2009 - 22:05 ET by MaximusBraveheartsnip " The Associated Press, quoting federal law
enforcement officials, said Hasan had come to their attention at least
six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide
bombings and other threats. The officials said they were still trying
to confirm that he was the author.
One of the Web
postings that authorities reviewed is a blog item that equates suicide
bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives
of his comrades. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because
they were not authorized to discuss the case." http://www.msnbc.msn...
Then this is clearly terrorism. They can track any internet activity so I feel they KNEW it was him for sure. Clearly, he did it to save Muslims overseas by taking our soldiers out here. He jumped on the grenade by shooting his fellow soldiers and then was shot as a sacrifice. That is pretty clear indication as to his intent.
edit: They are now saying he is alive!
M-B
Unacceptable
November 5, 2009 - 21:48 ET by slickwillie2001If any muslim in the US military thinks that "muslims should not have to fight muslims", that alone should be cause for a dishonorable discharge. It indicates they put religion before country or duty, and that's why all muslim countries are so screwed up. It is also contrary to the oath that military enlisted and officers take.
His cousin stated the he's a
November 5, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Dan DiegoHis cousin stated the he's a "Good American" which is probably what Imanutjod and other Jihadists are saying.
This explains a "human
November 5, 2009 - 21:25 ET by Dan DiegoThis explains a "human caused disaster" that Janet warned us about and why vets are a threat. Seems Janet knows more then we give her credit for. /sarc
Just heard the scumbag is alive, talk about time to revive public displays of justice.
Sadly, this individual will
November 5, 2009 - 22:40 ET by BDSadly, this individual will be found guilty and sentanced to death at Leavenworth - then will live to the ripe old age of about 80 because the military is incapable of executing even the most heinous killers.
Dwight Loving has been on death row there since 1989 for killing cab drivers at Fort Hood itself to get money to impress his girlfriend. Interesting to note that he would now be elligible to retire after twenty years of service - on death row.
For Gods Sake, the last execution of a military member on death row was at Fort Leavenworth was April 13, 1961, when John Bennett was hanged for the murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl.
Perfect, PERFECT timing....
November 5, 2009 - 21:38 ET by gopcongressFirst of all, my heartfelt condolences to the military heroes who died. Though not in combat situations, they were the victims of a very pertinent act in this war on terror. Even if, technically, this is not an act of combat itself, it looks as if the roots of this act is based in philosophy in why this war has been waged. To me, these soldiers deserve the Purple Heart just as much as their brethren and sisters who give their lives overseas.
I am not one to exploit anything, nor look into other possibilities. But if I were Rahm Emanuel, I cannot but think that this is the PERFECT thing to happen with regard to the crucial health care debate. Indeed, they were able to sneak Cap 'n Trade out of committee today amid all the carnage (http://www.bloomberg...), and probably not one major media agency reported on it.
But with the health care vote, I can only imagine the glee going in in the President's inner circle. This will allow him to act "presidential" in a time of crisis, allowing him to not have to respond to the medical crap being pushed on us.
I cannot think that sometimes acts are predetermined, by God or others, but in this case the attack happened RIGHT when the GOP crowd were on their representatives, and now it may be muted, perhaps just enough to ram the health care through. If I were even conspirational, I may even look at ties between a certain disaffected medical army major and an inner circle operative. Too extreme? I wish to hell I can think so, I really do.
Again, please understand that I'm very cognitive to the sensitivity of the families. But when you are dealing with people who are just as evil, in my opinion, as the worst desots in human history, then one can never underestimate their resolve and we MUST identify their tactics, PC be damned.
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Moderate... Democrat... Liberal... Progressive... Socialist... Communist—The progression is clear as day.
i wish his name were smith
November 5, 2009 - 21:44 ET by lunaticcringeradiooh the conflicts of being forced to be an unbias journalist and actually have to do your job. ooooooohhh WE the msm sssooooo wanted to spin this as if the shooter were the dreaded white gun owning former military white male(as is this author) that our glorious homeland security silverback gorilla(my former govenor) warned us about. what'll we do now????????
oh and how long will it be before mista bama gets involved with mr muslim shooter and this turns into a circus like his cambridge buddy. i sure hope the armys chief of staff has the courage to prevent politics getting involved in this future piece of room temp piece of meats court marshall.
lunaticcringeradio
~I wish
November 5, 2009 - 21:46 ET by choselife3xHe hadn't survived. This is going to be a huge nightmare with all these people falling over themselves to be PC. He'll be hailed as a hero by terrorists, and this Admin will run cover for him to try to look good to our enemies.
And he's not a 'convert', his own cousin said he was raised Muslim.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
http://themessengerd...
how long do you think it'll be
November 5, 2009 - 21:54 ET by lunaticcringeradioanybody want to get in on a pool on how long it'll take some weird beard mohammed blow them up to release a statement praising this ass. too late i think, i'll bet the video tape is already in al jezeras newsroom and msnbc is just waiting for their copy.
lunaticcringeradio
Sunday latest. Only it
November 5, 2009 - 21:58 ET by danboSunday latest. Only it won't be a muslim. It'll be a member of the dead media.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Saturday, 2:00 am eastern
November 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by gopcongressThat makes it 8:00 am to mid day in Europe and the Middle East.
I'll further predict either Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran) or Qaddafi/Gadhafi/Kaddafi/Qadhafi/Kadhafi/Gadafi/al-Qadafi/El Kazzafi/al-Gaddafi/Al Qathafi/Al Qathafi/el-Gadhafi/El Kadhafi/al-Qadhafi/al-Qadhdhafi/adafi/Gaddafi/Qadhdhafi/Khaddafi/al-Khaddafi/al-Kadafi/Ghaddafy/Ghadafi/Ghaddafi/Kaddafi/Quathafi/Gheddafi/Al-Kaddafi/Khadafy/Qudhafi/al-Qaddafi/l-Qadhafi (Libya) are going to praise Hasan as a hero of the Arab world, and will be held to their highest esteem.
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He's going to be tried in a military court
November 5, 2009 - 23:06 ET by CO2MakerSoldier kills soldier on military base. That's military jurisdiction and it'll be a military trial. Not a whole lot of diversity of compassion in that courtroom.
CO2
November 5, 2009 - 23:13 ET by MightyMouthObama will make sure he is NOT tried in a military court! This is one of the ways he can prove his justice system can "handle" terrroism!
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
His cousin
November 5, 2009 - 21:40 ET by Jackrvsays he wasn't a recent convert to islam but has always been in the religion of peace.
http://www.wnd.com/i...
Jack Van Nostrand
his military records will tell
November 5, 2009 - 21:49 ET by lunaticcringeradiodon't know if his cousin is smart enough to realize this if he;s trying to "save face" ie cover up, if he was a convert or not, but his military records will reveal if he was a convert.
lunaticcringeradio
Here's something 'practical'...
November 5, 2009 - 21:44 ET by JoniI'm afraid of people who want to kill me because they believe I'm an 'infidel'. If some of those people happen to be Islamists that ain't my fault.
Sorry, but I refuse to be a dhimmi for anyone, even the guy with a bomb strapped to his person.
Not to worry. They got his
November 5, 2009 - 21:46 ET by danboNot to worry. They got his name wrong.
If they tell us he alone, shot better than 40 people on a military base with 2 pistols. Thay must have gotten his name wrong. He's Nadal Malik Hasan York. And they got his rank wrong. He must have been a sgt.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
unbelievable
November 5, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Candance MooreShe wishes a "Smith" had killed 12 people instead of a "Hasan"?? What, like they would be less dead? The news would be less bad?
Can you imagine being a family member of a victim, sitting in some hospital room watching the news, and this reporter says she wishes the gunman had a different name??
If something ever happens to me, please don't let these clowns pretend to care.
He is alive
November 5, 2009 - 22:14 ET by general companyNot sure if anyone has mentioned this, but the shooter is alive in stable condition
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
A Nation of Quakers? (no offense to Quakers)
November 5, 2009 - 22:15 ET by ShanghaiRayAmerican's in general keep turning the other cheek. Sure, we get slapped a few times by terrorists masquerading as a religion and turn the other cheek, it's the politically correct and "nice" thing to do, right? Slapped so many times our head is spinning and we keep missing the burqa-wearing elephant in the room. How many more times are we going to be slapped while blood is running down our cheeks? Wake up! Things are not getting better, I wake up everyday to a new story about how America is going in the toilet. Reagan talked about American-exceptionalism but I sincerely don't think he meant exceptionally dumb but it looks like that's what America is turning out to be. Will it take attacks on our children and schools to wake us up? And what to do about it after we've awaken from this nightmare called complacency and political correctness? Perhaps...just perhaps a good backlash is in order..a backlash against a lot of things, not only Muslims.
"Race doesn't matter..liberals are only one color - YELLOW"
RE turn cheek: That was
November 5, 2009 - 22:36 ET by MaximusBraveheartRE turn cheek: That was directed to individuals who wanted to serve as a witness, and not applicable to the "state" government. A government must keep order and administer justice. Therefore we as a state are fully justified to defend and neutralize hostile threats.
However, I still pack heat to better reason with the criminally hardened that may be a direct threat to my family and other people of the State.
M-B
This "religion of peace" is
November 5, 2009 - 22:17 ET by ConservativeRexThis "religion of peace" is doing it's damnedest to prove otherwise, once again. Oh I know, don't let a few besmirch an entire religion. Well you know what? It appears to define this religion. Time to stop playing footsie with this crap. My eyes have been open for a long while.
I see this cult for exactly what it is. Now, all of you excuse makers for this "religion of peace" go put your head back in the sand and wait for it to be chopped off. I plan to do otherwise.
And I have been to Fort Hood many, many times. My son served there for six years before he was transferred two years ago. I had friends involved in lock-down and friends treating the wounded.
By the way, you may wish his name was Smith, but it actually is Nadal Malik Hasan, I know it was reported with Malik first, but it has since been changed, not that I GAS, but, just to clarify. Oh, and this scumbag is still alive, but not for long.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Apologists for Islamofacism
November 5, 2009 - 22:18 ET by Sergeant ROCKThey're just hoping that the crocodile eats them last. And that they at least use a sharp knife.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I agree..
November 5, 2009 - 22:24 ET by ShanghaiRaythe so-called religion sucks and is evil. No two ways about it. Call me any name in the book, I don't care. I will let history be the judge as to whether I'm right or wrong and I will bet you my life's savings that someday I will be proven right....albeit too late...but right. There is a fascism creeping across America and the world and it's going to get ugly-real-ugly. I can't put a date on it but it's going to happen...perhaps for the better...to let the steam off and get rid of a lot of crap wrapped around the neck of true peace lovers. This festering sore needs to be cleaned up before it before even more cancerous than it already is.
"Race doesn't matter..liberals are only one color - YELLOW"
I don't know...
November 5, 2009 - 22:57 ET by JPR1...if this has been mentioned on this site yet.
Yesterday I read this article from Stratfor and find it to be an uneasy coincidence.
Counterterrorism: Shifting from 'Who' to 'How'
"...al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Nasir al-Wahayshi wrote an article that called for jihadists to conduct simple attacks against a variety of targets."
Not jumping to conclusions but it's worth a read.
Highly recommend Stratfors free info by email. If I could afford a full sub I'd do it in a heartbeat.
"GROUNDLESS??" Man you
November 5, 2009 - 23:10 ET by Rowane"GROUNDLESS??" Man you gotta be kidding me, every time there is something like this these days you can count on the moslems being involved somewhere.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
The Test
November 5, 2009 - 23:24 ET by ShanghaiRay"reprinted from breitbart.tv posted by: Right Wing Realist"
HERE’S THE TEST
1. In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair
by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 1998, the US embassiesin Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
No, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do
you Ft. Hood?
"Race doesn't matter..liberals are only one color - YELLOW"
YES!
November 6, 2009 - 00:28 ET by Rukus+1!
I'm SO gonna get my head chopped off for that! Sigh.
Excellent post Ray!
Gary
POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)
For number 8
November 6, 2009 - 00:33 ET by MightyMouthI thought for sure it was: a. Scooby Doo.(the Tooth Fairy came in a close second).
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
SR... Thank you so much
November 6, 2009 - 12:41 ET by bigtimerSR...
Thank you so much for your post, I've put it to good use with others.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
No higher authority then Mohammed....
November 5, 2009 - 23:28 ET by jdripperMuslims hold no fealty except to Mohammed and Allah. They kill their children in honor infanticide. They recognize no human court or gorvenment to be above Islam.
They are instructed and it is in their Qur'an multiple times to lie and give your word, ne. your oath if that means you can kill infidels in the name of Allah. Alsoyou will be forgiven immediately.
Yet when that middle school in New Jersey held a disaster preparation exercise the boogey men were Christian fundamentalists. Sad so very sad.
Jack
"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains." Sir Winston Churchill
1) Let us all pray for the
November 5, 2009 - 23:35 ET by Liberallies1) Let us all pray for the victims of this horrific attack, also for their family members.
2) This was a terrorist attack carried out by a radical muslim.
3) For the few on here that are defending Islam as the religion of peace, I urge you to go live in Muslim nation. Bring your wife, daughter, mother, sister, see how they are treated....worst than second class citizens.
My older brother is currently dating an Iranian girl who is a Christian. The horror stories she has to tell about the religion of "peace" are mind numbing.
She tells us how Mosques are build right next to Christian Churches and how Mosque prayers and services somehow always end up being at EXACTLY the same time as Masses and other Christian services.
She tells us how the Mosques start their loud chant over loudspeakers at the same time that there are Christian services going on right next door. Making it next to impossible to listen to the priest or minster.
She tells us how in this religion of "peace" young teenage boys and men kidnap and rape Christian girls and then force them to marry them or be stoned to death. She told us how a friend of hers was befriended by a Muslim girl. They were best of friends for years, then one day the Muslim girl locked the other girl in a room and three men in their 20s came to the door and gave her an ultimatum, "either convert to Islam and marry one of us or you will be raped by all three of us!" The girl ended up jumping from a window and dying. This of course is happening in Iran, not coming from the government, but from the regular people who are Muslim who belong to the religion of "peace".
My brother's girlfriend also tells us that as Christians they are warned never to sign any type of document given to them by strangers, not to leave any piece of paper laying around with their signature or any type of writing that can be copied, why you ask? Because Muslims will grab the piece of paper with your signature or written name and fake it on a marriage document. If you claim that the marriage is fake, you can be stoned to death. This of course coming from a religion of "peace". Of cousre, she also talks about the honor killings that are very common in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and all other Muslim nations. yeah, the religion of "peace". No main stream Christian religion or the Jewish religion come close to anything like this. NONE!
and these stories only scratch the surface of what my brother's girlfriend has told us.
I find it amusing that Liberals, who supposedly fight for the rights of women, defend with such passion a religion that considers women to be worth less than a dog.
Muslim is no religion of peace. It is a radical religion that for whatever reason radicalizes 90% of those that practice it.
If Islam is so great, please name what type of discovery, what great contribution have Muslim nations given to the world, to humanity in the past 500 years?
and let us not forget that Muslim nations have been and are the number one owners of slaves! they owned more slaves than the Western World combined. I have never understood how a black man or woman could ever convert to a religion that still believes slavery is not an evil thing.
Thank you
November 5, 2009 - 23:51 ET by HogTideRebelCatsAt first I wasn't going to read your blog because it looked too long. But I saw that it had first hand knowledge. Sobering, Very Sobering.
Wow - excellent! Thanks
November 6, 2009 - 14:49 ET by MaximusBraveheartWow - excellent! Thanks for your post! M-B
He killed 12 American Patriots
November 5, 2009 - 23:46 ET by HogTideRebelCatsHe killed 12 American Patriots! Who gives a shit what his last name is.
B'leme guess? He is an Amish Extremist? or a Quaker Extremist?
Obama will!
November 5, 2009 - 23:51 ET by MightyMouth"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
The left and Islam have an
November 6, 2009 - 12:25 ET by rbosqueThe left and Islam have an enemy in the U.S. The media will do anything to cover up for this loon. They're both the same except this fool had a couple of guns.
Trosp It's not excactly
November 6, 2009 - 12:44 ET by TrospTrosp
It's not excactly that worst in the Philippines as regards with Muslim issue. The way I see it, most of Muslims in Philippines are not radicalized (yet).
Muslims in Philippines, or everywhere in Philippines are minorities. Their neighborhoods are mostly non-Muslim who would not think violence is a solution to a problem.
They have assimilated with the neighborhood on how to coexist.
But, then who knows?
"Muslim" is such an "unkind" term...
November 6, 2009 - 16:42 ET by stage9I prefer the term "Jihadist American" instead.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge