On Monday's CBS Evening News, Katie Couric delivered a “How We Got Here” review of Afghanistan after eight years of U.S. troops on the ground, culminating with Couric conveying as fact -- based on the view of Clinton administration Secretary of State Madeleine Albright -- the relatively simplistic liberal critique of how Iraq distracted the U.S. from the more important battle in Afghanistan.
“With Hamid Karzai in place as the interim leader of Afghanistan, the drum beat of war moved west to Iraq,” Couric recalled in using the loaded “drum beat of war” language, leading into Albright's scolding of former President Bush: “The problem was that he took his eye off the ball and linked two things that didn't go together, which is al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and so things got much worse.” Couric pounded home the point: “By October of 2006, there were 148,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and just 21,000 in Afghanistan.”
Viewers then heard corroboration from John Nagle, President of the liberal-leaning Center for a New American Security where Albright sits on the Board of Directors. Nagle asserted: “We gave the Taliban time to re-group, chased them out of Afghanistan, they re-grouped in Pakistan and now the years of neglect are coming back to haunt us.” Couric concluded with how President Obama is following through on his pledge to fix the misjudgment: “Making good on a campaign promise, President Obama called for a troop increase in Afghanistan, bringing the number of U.S. forces there to a record 68,000.”
CBS devoted its entire Monday newscast (with more coming over the next two nights) to “Afghanistan: The Road Ahead.”
Not considered in the Couric/Albright/Nagle history lesson: The paltry troop commitments to Afghanistan from NATO countries with no or virtually no troops in Iraq and whether fewer U.S. troops in Iraq would have led to more in Afghanistan, or more stateside given public perception (and reality for a long while) that the Taliban had been defeated in Afghanistan.
And if Obama rejects General Stanley McChrystal's recommendation for more troops, doesn't that undermine -- if you assume Obama is wiser than Bush -- the premise a massive, Iraq-like troop presence is the key to fixing Afghanistan?
Couric's only expert source, the Center for a New American Security, has some Republicans in its ranks, but is overseen by Chairman of the Board Richard Danzig, Navy Secretary during the Clinton administration who held a political slot at the Pentagon during the Carter years; and Chief Executive Officer Nathaniel Fick, whose bio reports he “spoke at Denver’s Invesco Field at the 2008 Democratic National Convention and later served on the Presidential Transition Team at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.”
From the Monday, October 5 CBS Evening News:
KATIE COURIC: In a break with his predecessor, President Obama has called Afghanistan -- not Iraq -- the central front in the war on terror. And back in the spring, he announce there had would be a new strategy. He'll be holding another meeting about that with his war council this Wednesday. One key question, whether to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan where 869 Americans have been killed in eight years of war. A war that began with a terrorist attack on America and a vow to hunt down those responsible.PRESIDENT BUSH AT GROUND ZERO, SEPTEMBER 14, 2001: I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. (Cheers and applause)
COURIC: September 11, 2001, wasn't the first time America had heard from Osama bin Laden. Since the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, the United States had been pressuring the Taliban regime to hand over the al Qaeda leader, believed to be hiding out in Afghanistan training terrorists. They did not comply.
PRESIDENT BUSH, OCTOBER 7, 2001: On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
COURIC: By November, the U.S.-backed fighting force known as the Northern Alliance had reclaimed Kabul. By December 7, the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar had fallen.
JOHN NAGL, PRESIDENT, CENTER FOR A NEW AMERICAN SECURITY: There's no doubt that the United States thought that we had succeeded in Afghanistan, that we had Osama bin Laden on the run, that this was a war that was essentially in the bag.
COURIC: With Hamid Karzai in place as the interim leader of Afghanistan, the drum beat of war moved west to Iraq.
PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE UN, SEPTEMBER 12, 2001: The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations. And a threat to peace.
FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE MADELEINE ALBRIGHT: The problem was that he took his eye off the ball and linked two things that didn't go together, which is al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and so things got much worse.
COURIC: By October of 2006, there were 148,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and just 21,000 in Afghanistan.
NAGL: We gave the Taliban time to re-group, chased them out of Afghanistan, they re-grouped in Pakistan and now the years of neglect are coming back to haunt us.
COURIC: The International Council on Security and Development reports that today the Taliban has a presence in 80 percent of the country, up from 54 percent just two years ago.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: I've already ordered the deployment of 17,000 troops.
COURIC: Making good on a campaign promise, President Obama called for a troop increase in Afghanistan, bringing the number of U.S. forces there to a record 68,000. Those troops face an enemy that's battle-tested and extremely disciplined.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE UN, SEPTEMBER 12, 2001: The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations. And a threat to peace.
NAGL: We gave the Taliban time to re-group, chased them out of Afghanistan, they re-grouped in Pakistan and now the years of neglect are coming back to haunt us.














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Whoa, stupid ladies. Curic,
October 5, 2009 - 19:59 ET by ThisnThatWhoa, stupid ladies. Couric, did you actually say this: Since the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, the United States had been pressuring the Taliban regime to hand over the al Qaeda leader, believed to be hiding out in Afghanistan training terrorists. They did not comply.
Have you lost your mind? Why don't you simply ask Albright this question: Why did Clinton let Bin Laden go when he was offered up? Come on, couric -- your reputation for being as dumb as a bag of rocks is on the line here. If you're going to give a history lesson, get at least some of your facts straight, and don't be afraid to give the truth a try now and then.
Read this article from the LA Times in 2001. Here's the first paragraph that says it all: President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
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Quite right.
October 5, 2009 - 20:34 ET by superconHardly a small detail. Couric also could have asked Albright who the hell gave North Korea nuclear technology and China missile technology which they no doubt share.
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Exactly right - TnT
October 5, 2009 - 21:33 ET by KC MulvilleWhat a self-serving, deceitful, biased attempt to place blame! Here's Couric trying to shape worldviews again ... by simply lying. Notice how they skipped over the history of OBL wreaking havoc, and the Clinton Gang doing nothing. Then, this buffoon simply asserts as fact that Bush linked OBL and Saddam, but that's a deliberate lie. Bush specifically said several times that there was no evidence to link the two.
This is just like a documentary. It's a one-sided presentation, where the producers mis-portray the events to slant attitudes (sorry, worldviews) their own way. It's obvious, crude, and intellectually-empty manipulation.
Oh, and about how they presented other points of view ... ?
WAIT just a minute here!
October 5, 2009 - 19:58 ET by BKeyserI thought Bush screwed up the Chicago thing? So which is it, Afghanistan or Chicago?
Bush put Couric in at CBS
October 5, 2009 - 20:13 ET by 10ksnookerBush put Couric in at CBS just to watch her fail.
Shock Alert!!! former
October 5, 2009 - 20:09 ET by rockyracoonShock Alert!!! former President Bush being blamed for another foreign policy mishap made by the Zippy Admin. Gee Katie Communist, could'nt you find anyone, ANYONE, who is competent, or has any credibility for you to interview for news program, or will no one else take your calls?
Maddy Not-So-Bright's sins of incompetence are too numerous to list here. Shouldn't she be practicing with Kim Jong Mentally Ill (All apologies to the one's who are suffering from mental illness) on DWTS??
Should we blame former President Bush for the heartbreak of psoriasis?
Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.
How many annurisms does it take to become a leftist
October 5, 2009 - 20:27 ET by Thinking.ManI don't remember any of our leftist friends saying we shoudlnt have been in Afghanistan, quite to the contrary, we should have been "Surging" long ago.
Now it's Bushes fault that the fumbler can't figure out what to do, if surging works it works, if it doesnt it doesnt.
Obama knows that if he get's in it to win it then the right will justifiably point out his tactical hypocrisy by using the same methods that Bush used.
The left will go nuts either way.
Poor fumbler, whatever he does we can guarntee that it will be a disaster, he seems to have a gut for consistently picking the wrong approach.
I would laugh but America's troops didnt elect this Amerikan pimp daddy and they dont deserve to be used as pawns in his silly leftist games.
T.M Hear...
October 5, 2009 - 20:31 ET by bigtimerT.M
Hear... Hear!
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Que cards please.
October 5, 2009 - 20:32 ET by cajun2All of the fringe media have the same ques.
1. Bush's fault
2. Racism
3. Right-wing conspiracy
and when all else fails, hehe, uh no I didnt know about that.
National security at Stake
October 5, 2009 - 20:59 ET by NortoBush switched venues, won Iraq, kept oil supplies coming, and MOST important(To Yahweh) protected Israel.
Knowing how dumb Katie is,
October 5, 2009 - 21:05 ET by samhermanmdKnowing how dumb Katie is, she is probably does not understand the difference between "Afghanistan" and "Afghan hound". She is probably wondering what all the fuss over a dog breed is.
Albright? Why not just
October 5, 2009 - 21:06 ET by RR GOPAlbright? Why not just get one of their doormen at the studio building on there...might as well.
I guess all the Libtards of the Johnson administration are either dead or too decrepit to drag on these shows (would love to hear how they got things in shape in Vietnam and how they would surely handle this situation.)
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Old joke, new times.
October 5, 2009 - 21:21 ET by SlyrrCouric's boyfriend blew in her ear once while they were dating.
Couric turned to him, smiled and said, 'Thanks for the refill.'
LOL
October 5, 2009 - 21:24 ET by Radical1979LOL
"Listening to Idiots"
October 5, 2009 - 21:26 ET by wnaegeleSigh!
seems pretty clear to me
October 5, 2009 - 22:28 ET by criticalthinkingseems pretty clear to me that MADELEINE ALBRIGHT and Couric hit the nail on the head here. Or, at the very least, you've shown little to no evidence to contridict her point.
criticalthinker
October 5, 2009 - 22:39 ET by MrShyRead RD's post below, and have a better understanding of things.
Criticalthinking
October 6, 2009 - 02:15 ET by ahusserI was going to give you a factoid about how the democrats never had a problem with the invasion of Afghanistan you are just jerking your knees again and I am tired of your idiocy. Have some more Kool-Aid. Democrats are just trying to figure out how they can runaway again like they always do without looking like the cowards they are.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
"We gave the Taliban time
October 5, 2009 - 22:32 ET by BD"We gave the Taliban time to re-group, chased them out of Afghanistan, they re-grouped in Pakistan and now the years of neglect are coming back to haunt us.”
The key is that a handful of SF ODA chased the AQ and Taliban from Afghanistan in 2002 and had command of the area. Afghanistan being essentially a back water that both the US and AQ can easily recognize the key terrain in the war on terror both shifted their focus to Iraq.
You will note that little infiltration on a large scale occured in Afghanistan while they battle for the key terrain of Iraq was on. AQ recruiters shoved essentially ill trained cannon fodder into Iraq as fast as they could for Zarqawi to use as suicide bombers in a vain effort to chase the US out. Having lost there and the cultural and communications high ground for the message of Fascist Islam vs Democracy, they have had the opportunity to re-engage in Afghanistan as a secondary/forlorn hope effort.
Knowing going to Iraq is a waste of effort, now the cannon fodder from the youth of Islam is moving to Afghansitan and Pakistan. Hopefully Helmand province turns into the classic "Jihadi Magnet" that is a sticky trap from hell for the AQ.
Well stated
October 5, 2009 - 23:25 ET by sozinhoYour points above are very well stated, and every time I hear the phrase that we "took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan," it irks me that no one points out that there really wasn't much to do there any longer once the Taliban had run and "hidden" in Pakistan. The fact is that they weren't "hidden." We knew where they were, but imagine the reaction, as you mention, if there was any indication that Bush wanted to invade the tribal areas of Pakistan.
What irks me is the
October 6, 2009 - 07:25 ET by BDWhat irks me is the statement that "we let Osama get away at Tora Bora" because we did nto have all the troops there to stop him. WHen asked for detail these non-tactical clods usually say something like "Well, we could have sealed the border with the troops we sent to Iraq" mindless of the fact that the only way to insert troops onto the border would have been a suicide mission for the troops selected.
I have heard morons say we should have air dropped a Brigade onto the mountains at Tora Bora. Right..... and the five survivors without broken legs would have been combat ineffective helping the other 4000 be medevacced.
What members of the loony left fail to understand is that Afghanistan went about as well as could be expected in 2002-3.
Going to the mind-numbingly
October 5, 2009 - 22:44 ET by fitzfongGoing to the mind-numbingly incompetent Madeline Albright to comment on anything related to National Security is a bit like seeking advice from Bob Schrum on how to win a Presidential Election.
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I want his job
October 6, 2009 - 00:19 ET by ThoreauDoes anyone else have a job where you get to blame the guy that left for not doing your own job? Seriously, does anyone else besides politicians get to do this because I'm so there dude.
M. Al-notso-bright..
October 6, 2009 - 00:51 ET by FuzzyLeeShe can't even count
“The problem was that he took his eye off the ball and linked two
things that didn't go together, which is al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein
and Osama bin Laden and so things got much worse.”
I'm getting 3, but then I'm a dumb redneck.
Its fairly obvious what is
October 6, 2009 - 00:57 ET by ConservativeRexIts fairly obvious what is going on here. Any of you, like me, who came up through the Sixties have seen this before. This president has no will to win anything anywhere where violence is involved. The politicians he surrounds himself with are as gutless as he is. It is going to be the politicians who want control of the Afghan war. And we all know how it is going to turn out. Shades of LBJ all over again.
That's why I now believe we need to get the hell out of Afghanistan right now. Our men are going to be used as pawns there because they do not have the backing of the chickenshits who pay them. This may not be a popular sentiment, but my son has done two tours in Iraq, one of them in Sadr City in the heart of all that was going on there in '03 and '04. He is still in with a little less then two years till he retires, my other son is in the USAF. They will do what is asked of them, I know my boys. But we shouldn't have to send one more of our sons in the shithole in Afghanistan unless our politicians get a spine and decide that this whole shebang is winnable, which I think it is, with the right resolve, from our politicians, and not until then.
Si Vis Palem, Para Bellum
Conservative Rex
October 6, 2009 - 02:29 ET by ahusserAs a Vietnam Veteran I agree with you. The Dems don't want to finish the job or even do the job right, just looking for an excuse to runaway without looking like the traitorous cowardly dopes they are. In the interim it will be some version of the Paris peace talks all over again with the daily grind of casualties. After they runaway they will turn their backs on those indigenous folks who supported us in those two countries and the usual slaughter will begin in earnest.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
God Bless...
October 6, 2009 - 02:33 ET by BronxBomberRex God Bless you and your sons...and God help us get through this guys one term(hopefully) as President...
We gotta find a new planet...
My son is thinking of
October 6, 2009 - 07:44 ET by Radical1979My son is thinking of joining the military. I'd like him to hold off until we get a strong POTUS for the exact reasons you sight. This president is a farce.
Thinking back to the early
October 6, 2009 - 08:12 ET by BDThinking back to the early days of the 1980's when I first joined, I cannot imagine signing up with Jimmy Carter in a second term.
I guess I am what we call "One of the Reagan Kids."
I am waiting to see if the military is as demoralized in 2010 as it was in 1979 or if it will only go back to 1998 levels.
Ditto
October 6, 2009 - 10:25 ET by UtherpendI am right there with you BD, I graduated in 1983 and thought of joining up after being in ROTC for 3 years in high school. Luckily I had several friends who went in ahead of me and advised me of the sad state most of the military was in after the Carter years. They spent most of their time doing general busy work and only trianing once a month. I chose to go to college and help the National Guard till college ended.
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
Radical
October 6, 2009 - 10:57 ET by doug1950As a retired military man I would advise against him joining right now as well. I left my career earlier than I wanted because I could not serve in good conscience under Bill Clinton. Obama makes Clinton look like an attractive alternative now. One thing you can take to the bank; when you have a poor PoTUS it has a huge detremental effect on the troops. When thing are going to ****, look up the change of command for cause and down for affect. I was in mid grade rank when Jimmy Carter was "President" and it was horrible. I almost got out then but hung in there believing he was a one term President. Ronald Reagan turned it all around. When Carter was there, it was embarrassing. All our Allies thought he was a fool, especially the Israelis, but they had to dance with the one that brung them and hold their peace. If I had a kid just out of high school, I would tell them to go to Jr college at least for the next few years, get a part time job and mark time. They will be in a better position if and when they do decide to join. This man is the military's worst nightmare. Indecision and waffling can get people killed and he is the King at that. Still voting "present".
What newspapers do you read
October 6, 2009 - 07:27 ET by kangarooWhat newspapers do you read katie??
The only thing she reads is
October 6, 2009 - 07:40 ET by BDThe only thing she reads is the teleprompter....
Does Couric know about Afghanistan? Clinton....?
October 6, 2009 - 11:42 ET by Gary HallDoes Couric know about Afghanistan? Clinton....?
The history here is long, complex and full of glory and trouble for both political parties. And there is truth to the common theme that, and perhaps with very good cause, find ourselves backing one faction one day, then opposing it the next - the greater enemy saga, or is it the better friend saga.
But to make a long story shorter, Brzezinski claims that under Carter, we either wished for or baited the Soviets to invade Afghanistan - so they could have their own Vietnam. This story then leads some to imply that Carter, then had as much to do with the fall of the USSR, as did Reagan. Another day for that silly discussion - but we'll give Carter one little silver star, just to be fair.
At any rate, Carter did start the covert funding of the Afghan Moujahedeen, thanks to Charlie Wilson, the story goes. Over in Pakistan, 1979, Zia seized power, declared martial law and had President Bhutto (who'd appointed Zia as head of the military) hanged. Carter cut off aid to Pakistan. Zia had a relationship with the Moujahedeen.
Next, Carter was having a bit of a problem with the Iranian hostage crisis - so Saddam's want to invade Iran in late 1980, got the nod of approval from Carter. A million human beings would die in that one. I don't know, does Carter get to keep his silver star? Oh, Wilson also kept Carter from cutting $millions in covert funding which supported an ally in Nicaragua.
Ah, but the left only blames Reagan for all. That was just in passing.
Enter Reagan. Again, again to Charlie's efforts, and 'Doc' Long (chair of the appropriations committee). Oh - later, Tip O'Neil would put Charlie on the Ethics Committee -- to save Murtha's skin. Left out of the Charlie Wilson movie in the effort to defeat the USSR in Afghanistan was the obvious lead by Reagan, and DCIA William Casey.
Ah, but the left only blames Reagan for all. That was just in passing.
After we prevailed, and the USSR pulls out of Afghanistan in 1988-89, a communist regime is still left in charge. Wilson is unsuccessful in his effort to step up aid, in the anticipated rebuilding need. Perhaps Reagan, and then the elder Bush, dropped the ball here, as well. Certainly the UN does nothing of note. Bush continues the effort to get the communist out, but the place is an absolute mess.
Charlie Wilson goes on to become a lobbyist for Pakistan, and Bill Clinton is president while the Taliban takes over the country in the mid 1990's - the short of it being a genocide and an all out war on women. We watch. Al Qaeda is allowed to set up shop - we watch. By this point in time, our CIA has been reduced to completely dysfunctional in the region.
And we just watch.
Yep, Katie - blame George Bush. Why not?
(;~/ gary
I think it's pretty
October 6, 2009 - 19:28 ET by JRJ08I think it's pretty hilarious that President Obama has been blamed for going too fast on health care reform by Republicans, but now he's being blamed for going to slow in making a decision on the strategy in Afghanistan.
well maybe national defense
October 6, 2009 - 19:32 ET by botgwell maybe national defense is a Constitutionally mandated duty of the POTUS while healthcare (being NOT enumerated) is reserved to the States or the People, and not part of his job??
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