President Obama's address before a joint session of Congress “to rescue health care reform” caused “a 12-point improvement from last week” so “52 percent now approve of the way he's handling health care,” Katie Couric announced at the top of Friday's CBS Evening News in touting how a new CBS News poll discovered that “among those who say they watched the speech” -- a group she failed to point out was predisposed to Obama's policies -- “support is even greater, 58 percent.”
On NBC, anchor Brian Williams introduced a story on fallout from “Congressman Joe Wilson, the South Carolina Republican whose heckling of the President from the House floor continues to reverberate.” Reporter Kelly O'Donnell, who noted support for him in his district, observed what neither ABC nor CBS reported Friday night, that he made Democrats uncomfortable enough to acknowledge the current bills would let illegal immigrants get benefits: “As a result of this controversy, Senate Democrats said today they discussed options, like requiring Social Security numbers to make clear illegal immigrants will not get coverage.”
CBS's Chip Reid began: “The President bet the house on his prime time health care speech -- and in some areas he's cashing in” since “42 percent say he has clearly explained his plan, up from 33 percent last week. And for those who watched the speech, it surged to 58 percent.”
Unmentioned by Couric or Reid, but noted in the CBSNews.com online summary of the survey, “forty-two percent of speech watchers identified themselves as Democrats, 27 percent were Republicans and 31 percent were independents.” Plus, “among those who watched, 60 percent say they mostly agree with the health care plans the President presented; 33 percent mostly disagree.”
Reid did proceed to recount how Obama came up short on some key concerns: “Only 22 percent of Americans believe reform will help them personally” and “52 percent of Americans say it's impossible to expand health care coverage without increasing the deficit.”
The MRC's Brad Wilmouth corrected the close-captioning against the video to provide this transcript of the lead story on the Friday, September 11 CBS Evening News:
KATIE COURIC: Good evening, everyone. Well, he needed to do something to rescue health care reform, so the President took his case directly to the American people in a national television address before a joint session of Congress. Did it work? The answer tonight is maybe. A CBS News poll just out shows he did change some minds – 52 percent now approve of the way he's handling health care. That's a 12-point improvement from last week. And among those who say they watched the speech, support is even greater, 58 percent. But chief White House correspondent Chip Reid tells us the President still has a lot of work to do.
CHIP REID: The President bet the house on his prime time health care speech – and in some areas he's cashing in, according to the new CBS News poll. 42 percent say he has clearly explained his plan, up from 33 percent last week. And for those who watched the speech, it surged to 58 percent. The President still has a lot of explaining to do, though, on some specifics. One example, he spent a lot of time arguing that everyone will benefit from health reform, even those who already have insurance.
BARACK OBAMA: What this plan will do is make the insurance you have work better for you.
REID: But he wasn't very convincing, according to the poll. Only 22 percent of Americans believe reform will help them personally. Even among those who watched the speech, only 31 percent think it will help; 27 percent say it will hurt; 39 percent say it won't have any effect. One of the President's key points was that his plan will not increase the deficit over the next 10 years.
OBAMA: I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits.
REID: But 52 percent of Americans say it's impossible to expand health care coverage without increasing the deficit. Only 42 percent say it is possible. Many fiscally conservative Democrats in Congress, whose votes are essential to the President, are also still skeptical.
SENATOR BEN NELSON (D-NE): In order to get my support, the President's going to have to convince me that the – with the numbers that it's not going to add one penny to the deficit.
REID: The President says most of his plan will be paid for by reducing waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid, but he still hasn't provided specifics. The President is also proposing automatic spending cuts just in case his plan does add to the deficit. But those kinds of automatic cuts have been routinely ignored by Congress in the past.
NBC Nightly News:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Now we move on to health care reform, as negotiators on Capitol Hill try to settle their differences over several issues. The one that was front and center today was the one raised by Congressman Joe Wilson, the South Carolina Republican whose heckling of the President from the House floor continues to reverberate. Correspondent Kelly O'Donnell has our report from Capitol Hill.
KELLY O'DONNELL: A much calmer Joe Wilson today, but after shouting down the President in prime time-
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Would not apply to those who are here illegally.
JOE WILSON: You lie.
O'DONNELL: -more fallout. Today, Wilson was told by Democratic leaders that he must apologize on the House floor or face a formal reprimand next week. Wilson already told the White House he was sorry.
CONGRESSMAN JOE WILSON, ON THURSDAY: My statements were inappropriate.
O'DONNELL: And with his re-election campaign video, went on offense against proposed health care changes.
WILSON, IN CAMPAIGN VIDEO: On these issues, I will not muzzled. I will speak up and speak loudly against this risky plan.
O'DONNELL: Democrats say illegal migrants will not get health insurance under reform, but Wilson claims legislation does not do enough to enforce citizenship requirements. Back home in his South Carolina district-
WOMAN: I think he spoke for many citizens, including myself.
O'DONNELL: : Folks at the Sunset diner did not approve of Wilson's outburst, but many say they agree with his views.
MAN: Maybe wasn't the time or the place to say what he said, but what he did I thought was accurate.
O'DONNELL: Wilson's sudden notoriety quickly contributed to campaign cash for both parties. Wilson is running ads on the Internet and says he's raised more than $700,000. Democrats say outrage surrounding Wilson helped their challenger, Rob Miller, top $800,000. As a result this controversy, Senate Democrats said today they discussed options, like requiring Social Security numbers to make clear illegal immigrants will not get coverage.
SENATOR KENT CONRAD: There's a high degree of confidence that we have an outline to prevent anybody here illegally from benefitting from these initiatives.
O'DONNELL: While the whole Wilson matter's been a big distraction, it's still unclear if the President has enough moderate Democrats to pass health care reform. Kelly O'Donnell, NBC News, the Capitol.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





KATIE COURIC: Good evening, everyone. Well, he needed to do something to rescue health care reform, so the President took his case directly to the American people in a national television address before a joint session of Congress. Did it work? The answer tonight is maybe. A CBS News poll just out shows he did change some minds – 52 percent now approve of the way he's handling health care. That's a 12-point improvement from last week. And among those who say they watched the speech, support is even greater, 58 percent. But chief White House correspondent Chip Reid tells us the President still has a lot of work to do.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Now we move on to health care reform, as negotiators on Capitol Hill try to settle their differences over several issues. The one that was front and center today was the one raised by Congressman Joe Wilson, the South Carolina Republican whose heckling of the President from the House floor continues to reverberate. Correspondent Kelly O'Donnell has our report from Capitol Hill.
WILSON, IN CAMPAIGN VIDEO: On these issues, I will not muzzled. I will speak up and speak loudly against this risky plan.














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September 11, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Eugenia"As a result of this controversy, Senate Democrats said today they
discussed options, like requiring Social Security numbers to make clear
illegal immigrants will not get coverage.”
Would that be SSNumbers gotten illegally???
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
-- GK Chesterton
If your point relates to the
September 12, 2009 - 12:16 ET by JRJ08If your point relates to the question of illegal immigrants trying to take advantage of federally subsidized health care under the public option or insurance exchange, there would obviously be a database of members. This is but one advantage of living in the 21st century, where many people and corporations own computers which can store and recall data in nanoseconds. If a person is in this country illegally, whether they're from Mexico, Russia or the Mideast, it would be very difficult to apply for coverage without being flagged. These people would have to have mailing addresses and all of the other kinds of information that any of us would have to provide in applying for an insurance policy. The reality is that many people who are 'undocumented' already pay for some kind of health insurance in this country. And that is the only way illegal immigrants would be able to participate in a public option.
it would be very difficult
September 12, 2009 - 17:31 ET by Dan The Man 2it would be very difficult to apply for coverage without being flagged.
The authorities can flag these people now and dont do it. Do you think they are going to be identified under the new system? The illegals usually dont have legal insurance, if they have insurance it is by scamming the system.
Push polling = Push Reporting
September 11, 2009 - 20:20 ET by KC MulvilleThey're shaping worldviews again ...
The nets have now become
September 11, 2009 - 20:26 ET by d1carterThe nets have now become totally irrelevant.
Push Polling?
September 11, 2009 - 20:29 ET by allanfWe know where NBC and CBS stand on the issue.
CNN to CBS: here copy my 12
September 11, 2009 - 20:54 ET by JAJTCNN to CBS: here copy my 12 points increase.
CBS to CNN: thanks-think anyone would notice?
what a load of BS! let's see what ABC and NBC pulls tmw. JAJT
Nothing to see there
September 11, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Joe CamelSame ol', same ol'...MSM, CNN and all the others will never get it. Remember only to flush if you do number two...gotta love these dolts, very entertaining..
did anyone else here know
September 11, 2009 - 21:11 ET by candanceDoctors and nurses held a massive protest in DC yesterday. Loving the censorship from the MSM.
who cares!
September 11, 2009 - 21:19 ET by katainkentthey is just ebil doctors!
(Actually yes, stratman posted the link to the coverage it got in the health care thread in the forums. Otherwise I would have never known.)
Gotta love that poster!
No, candance
September 11, 2009 - 21:31 ET by BarkerI did not know that. Thanks for the info and the link.
And that's the way it is......nowadays.
I also did not know (SURPRISE!)
September 12, 2009 - 02:44 ET by Indiana JoeThanks for the heads-up, y'all.
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Massive? In 2005, this
September 12, 2009 - 12:23 ET by JRJ08Massive? In 2005, this politically partisan organization only had 5,000 members. It has called Medicare and Medicaid "evil" and "immoral". If this is your idea of an objective source of information then I have some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell you. The reason these people don't get coverage is because they are crackpots wearing white coats.
Q. What do you call a man
September 12, 2009 - 12:43 ET by Jack BauerQ. What do you call a man who ignores Doctors' advice?
A. Anything you like as he's too sick to hear you. AND Barack Obama.
What about Rangel?
September 11, 2009 - 21:12 ET by ACLUSUXCharlie Rangel? They move swiftly for Wilson?
Rangel should be in JAIL!!!
Do the laws apply to everyone?
Democrats…you let in liberals…now Communist are running the show. WEAK, VERY WEAK!
SENATOR KENT CONRAD:
September 11, 2009 - 21:16 ET by bigtimerSENATOR KENT CONRAD: There's a high degree of confidence that we have
an outline to prevent anybody here illegally from benefitting from
these initiatives.
That about says it all doesn't it?
An 'outline'...wow, that will do the trick.
As to the msm and their intentional false numbers/propaganda..what's new?
I expect nothing less...nothing.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
New Poll:
September 11, 2009 - 21:21 ET by Barker99% of Americans say it will go down in history as the Obama Lie Speech.
The remaining 1% are members of the Old Media, including Michael Moore.
White lie?
September 11, 2009 - 21:23 ET by sevenHalf white lie?
Is it possible that
September 11, 2009 - 21:43 ET by BKeyserIs it possible that Democrats, losing faith recently over the furvor of anti-Obamism, and anti-Obamacarism, that maybe they have become reinvigorated with Barry's oh-so-sincere offer of "Tort Reform"?
Watching his speech, I knew
September 11, 2009 - 21:52 ET by GregEWatching his speech, I knew his numbers would go up. And I figured they'd go up rather significantly. Not because his "plan" is anything good, but because his "talk" always mesmerizes. This is why when things get rough, he schedules a speech. It's all he has. His ideas are re-distributive, social justice, America-isnt-fair, etc etc. But he's able to put it all together into words that people sheepishly drool over as if he's the second coming of Christ. He knows it, I know it, we all know it. The sheep do not know it. They equate his speech-giving with the content, even when the content is snakeoil. What he laid out Tuesday night was nothing short of utopian, and the sheep bowed to it..........as he absolutely expected, and as was the very reason he wanted to give that speech.
Where, exactly, is his plan
September 12, 2009 - 12:26 ET by JRJ08Where, exactly, is his plan not "good"? Which part is "utopian"? Can you be specific? Because I'd like to disassemble your metaphysical certainty about this right here in front of all your friends. Finally, what makes you think that you aren't a sheep yourself, following another kind of herd?
JRJ08, Because I'd like
September 12, 2009 - 13:03 ET by hydrodynDMJRJ08,
Would that be like your "metaphysical certainty" that Bush was holding a book upside down on 9/11?
By the way, I have four
September 11, 2009 - 22:25 ET by jdhawkBy the way, I have four tickets left . . .
I have four extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel) Event at the Ford Center next weekend in Beaumont, Texas, if anybody wants them.
Robbie is going to try to jump over 1,000 Obama supporters with a Caterpillar D-9 bulldozer.
News Anchors first . . .
Should be a good time!
jdhawk... You could have
September 11, 2009 - 22:25 ET by bigtimerjdhawk...
You could have gave a Spew Alert...that is hilarious!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
I'm only about 220 mile west
September 11, 2009 - 22:29 ET by RESTLESS 1Where should I meet you? :)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Spew Alert is right!
September 12, 2009 - 02:49 ET by Indiana JoeI've always wanted to visit Beaumont! And I'll bet he makes it over all thousand... if someone can keep his treads cleaned out. ;^O
Wonder what airfare is like... ?
;^)
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
Sounds like BS to me
September 11, 2009 - 22:28 ET by RESTLESS 1I doubt seriously that one speech and couple of days make that much difference. Sounds like the poll is juiced for the 0.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
I don't think it's possible.
September 11, 2009 - 22:48 ET by pbthinkerThere is no way the networks can be any more in the tank for Obama than they already are. All they have to do is poll the people that still watch them and they'll get a positive Obama poll because anyone that wants to know what's really going on isn't watching the alphabets anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they just stop giving out how they sampled for their polls because it's becoming so obvious.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Wilson not he issue
September 11, 2009 - 23:11 ET by richb313The more they try to put Rep. Wilson in the spotlight the more popular he has become. Yesterday the news was all about how Rep. Wilsons opponent raised $400,00.00. Today on Drudge he reported that Rep. Wilson raised $750,000.00 in what was basically unsolicited donations, almost twice that of his opponent. Will we see this reported by the major networks and the like? I doubt it and if they do they will try and make the money raised by Wilson seen as evil while the money raised by his opponent as noble.
Joe Wilson made a mistake by breaking decorum for which he appologized. He never retracted his statement however. Obama stll lied.
No Retraction, No Retreat
September 11, 2009 - 23:46 ET by BarkerPelosi and her Progressive Priests won't be happy until Mean Joe Wilson prostrates himself before The One and cries -- "I have sinned against you my lord".
Ain't gonna happen.
Rebuke him again Joe!
No Surrender!
Wilson put himself in the
September 12, 2009 - 12:31 ET by JRJ08Wilson put himself in the spotlight with his case of political Tourette's. People who can't control themselves in a formal, public venue and who have no respect for the office of President of the United States don't belong in office. They belong in therapy. You don't insult an invited guest, no matter how much you might disagree with them. Wilson is a racist. Just look at the organizations with which he is affiliated. Of course, in this forum, that's probably seen as a positive.
JRJ08, Speaking of
September 12, 2009 - 12:46 ET by hydrodynDMJRJ08,
Speaking of accusations of racism, I'm still waiting for a response on this post I left for you.
I'm sure you just overlooked it.
JRJ08
September 12, 2009 - 14:38 ET by BarkerNo, in this forum we don't condone racist bigots such as yourself.
Why do you hate people with disabilities?
And speaking of therapy, get some.
See how easy that is?
Obama called the joint
September 12, 2009 - 14:42 ET by Radical1979Obama called the joint session, so he wasn't exactly and invited guest. He invited himself, and he was extremely rude to lie to the American people.
"Wilson is a racist. Just
September 12, 2009 - 15:06 ET by ckc1227"Wilson is a racist. Just look at the organizations with which he is affiliated."
You mean like Trinity United? Acorn? Louis Farrakhan, and The Nation of Islam?
'continues to reverberate'...
September 11, 2009 - 23:40 ET by traderjamesThe story continues because they (MSNBC et al) can't let go of it. The beauty of that fact is that it totally takes energy away from the intent of the speech, which is passing the (non-existent) bill. I hope they spend all weekend harping on what a traitor this Wilson guy is.
The weekend buzz will be between the Wilson story and how the 'tea baggers', traitors that they are, dared to exercise their first amendment rights peacably to assemble and march on Washington.
Maybe, just maybe, a network other than Fox will cover the breaking Acorn story. But the theme will be 'gotcha' journalism and the temerity of two young conservative journalists catching these thugs with their proverbial pants down. Here's to hoping these kids are strong enough to endure the 'joe the plumber'-like background checks that are sure to come.
Oh, and kind of off-topic, how about CNN lashing out against our wonderful Coast Guard in a pathetic attempt to deflect us away from the fact that THEY caused the panic by not following up on what they heard on their police scanner. BANG BANG BANG, CNN....your credibilty is.....(fill in the blank)...
I think its great. What
September 11, 2009 - 23:49 ET by NL207I think its great. What you are watching are the network media people warring on and waging a smear campaign against the average American. This is a death sentence for their ratings.
Wilson, in his outburst, has raised the Shout Heard 'Round the World. He called out that lying bag of s*** in the most public forum possible, and I think the majority of Americans agree that Obama was lying about this healthcare bill. There are a significant group who agree that that was the wrong place to do it, but also agree with what Wilson said. The Dems and Media hear only the first part of that and ignore the second at their own peril.
This is the beginning of the end for the Hussein Regime. Three cheers for Joe Wilson!
Personally, I think the BHO
September 12, 2009 - 02:54 ET by Indiana JoePersonally, I think the BHO regime began it's end with the bailout bill, and the fallout from that, including Government Motors.
But this surely increases the slope and greases the skids.
AND puts the wind at their backs! ;^)
"Four legs good... two legs better!" - George Orwell
It is comments like this
September 12, 2009 - 12:38 ET by JRJ08It is comments like this which provide clear and inarguable evidence of the utter deterioration of the conservative movement in the United States. There is no justification for what Wilson did. None. Unlike some people in this forum, the men in Congress are supposed to be adults who have some self-control and have learned to master their emotions. With his outburst, Wilson showed a lack of respect for the office of the presidency and a juvenile inability to moderate his behavior. When you're in a theater and you hear a line of dialogue you don't like, you keep your mouth shut out of respect for the other people in the audience who might not agree with you. If you don't, you risk getting thrown out of the theater. Most of us learn this in the 6th grade. How stupid must Wilson be?
but -
September 12, 2009 - 12:43 ET by katainkenthe was right.
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
Wilson was the one who was
September 12, 2009 - 12:59 ET by JRJ08Wilson was the one who was lying. The proposals before Congress expressly forbid federal subsidization of health care for undocumented immigrants. Period. The language in the proposals could not be more direct or clear on this. The arguments now being proposed to justify Wilson's outburst are that some Republican amendments to the bills requiring certain kinds of verification of citizenship were voted down by Democrats. This is a half-truth, because the Republicans were trying to stack the illegal immigration issue and identity cards on top of the health care debate, which was a sure way of dooming any reform. There are myriad ways for any public option administrator to verify citizenship on an application form. If Joe Wilson was really interested in reform, he could have suggested one of them. He NEVER has. He's just another southern white racist who cannot stand the idea that a black man is sitting in the White House. It eats at his soul and, in the process, part of his brain has stopped functioning.
ha ha. You're funny. An
September 12, 2009 - 13:02 ET by Jack Bauerha ha. You're funny. An imbecile. But a funny imbecile.
And if you disagree with me, you're probably a racist.
JRJ08
September 12, 2009 - 13:01 ET by FeynmanFanAnd how do you know this is what's going on in his mind?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Come on JR
September 12, 2009 - 13:04 ET by shawn228I am not condoning what Wilson said, but can't you strongly disagree with someone's policies and not because his a black man?
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
shawn
September 12, 2009 - 14:43 ET by MrShyApparently not.
Btw, the massive march today in DC is a major turning point. It tells me that Duh One is one and done. Same for the other filth in 2010. This shows that we're ready to "take our country back", to coin the libs phrase all during the '00's. Only, back then it made absolutely no sense.
Of course not...
September 12, 2009 - 14:49 ET by ckc1227According to the simple-minded(aka liberals), we would be just fine with Obama undermining everything that makes this country great if he were a white guy. You know, the way Conservatives and Republicans embraced Bill and Hillary Clinton's attempt to take over health care.
Oh wait...that's right, Bill was the first Black president. Damn, I guess we are racist after all.
your answer to every question
September 12, 2009 - 13:08 ET by katainkentracism.
*yawn*
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
katainkent, Well, it does
September 12, 2009 - 13:10 ET by hydrodynDMkatainkent,
Well, it does have the advantage of not having to think or make an actual argument.
Oh, and I'm probably a racist for having said that.
"yawn" That's
September 12, 2009 - 13:13 ET by Jack BauerThat's RACIST.
See how this works? The six degreess of racism seperation.
And lets not even get into your name with is just one k from kkk. Again... racist!
LMAO
September 12, 2009 - 13:14 ET by katainkentwait, I have a pulse. I must be racist.
___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
Whatever Ostrich, go put
September 12, 2009 - 13:25 ET by JAJTWhatever Ostrich, go put your head back in the sand. JAJT
"Wilson was the one who was
September 12, 2009 - 14:44 ET by ckc1227"Wilson was the one who was lying. The proposals before Congress
expressly forbid federal subsidization of health care for undocumented
immigrants. Period."
Apparently, Max Baucus and Kent Conrad disagree with you.
The way it stands currently, there is no requirement to prove citizenship. Dems wouldn't allow it. That's like forbidding the sell of alcohol to minors without requiring proof of age.
Plus, illegals will still be allowed to get free treatment at emergency rooms because none of the plans close that loophole. So much for illegals not getting covered. But don't worry, all this illegal nonsense will be taken care of next year when they get amnesty. Then they will no longer be illegal.
"With his outburst, Wilson
September 12, 2009 - 14:29 ET by ckc1227"With his outburst, Wilson showed a lack of respect for the office of the presidency'
Respect for the presidency that night went out the window when the commie in chief was 15 minutes late for his own 50 minute lie-fest. And the truth is, the man disrespects the position everyday, so why the uproar over Wilson?
"How stupid must Wilson be?"
Dude, you're equating a theater production with the president of the United States lying to the American people, while trying his best to undermine everything America stands for....who's the stupid one here? Yes, that would be you.
"Unlike some people in this forum, the men in Congress are supposed to
be adults who have some self-control and have learned to master their
emotions."
You mean like the clown Democrats who interrupted the president 40 plus times while cheerfully applauding like trained seals the attempted takeover of 1/6 of the American economy? The same commiecrats who cheered like smitten schoolgirls at the President's proclamation that you WILL be FORCED to buy health insurance under the commie in chief's scheme, a direct assault on the freedom of Americans? Or maybe like the times when democraps booed President Bush?
Nahhh, you couldn't mean those times.....those are actually a okay.
Moron, lol.....
ckc--
September 12, 2009 - 14:52 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"Respect for the presidency that night went out the window when the commie in chief was 15 minutes late for his own 50 minute lie-fest."
That's about the truth! He's the one who insisted on the lecture...er, meeting...and he shows leaves people waiting? That's just rude and disrespectful to everyone involved.
Where is Binky Braveheart and his clone the drunk bigot clown?
September 11, 2009 - 23:41 ET by JWFReporter Kelly O'Donnell, who noted support for him in his district, observed what neither ABC nor CBS reported Friday night, that he made Democrats uncomfortable enough to acknowledge the current bills would let illegal immigrants get benefits:
Binky Braveheart (JasonC) and his clone the drunk bigot clown (007memo) seem to think illegal immigrants can't get benefits.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
All righty then...I'll put
September 11, 2009 - 23:48 ET by SvenAll righty then...I'll put this poll right alongside that CNN poll which also claimed a jump in Bamster's approval for healthcare!
Oh darn, only one problem: The CNN poll only questioned about 18% from the GOP side, and 45% from the Dem side.
Desperation time ;-)
One word I never want to hear again: Bipartisan! -Sven
Which was clearly stated
September 12, 2009 - 12:41 ET by JRJ08Which was clearly stated during the discussion of the poll results. Of course, the idea that people who don't agree with Obama on health care reform would boycott his speech seems rather childish and pig-headed. It wasn't an election. What were they afraid to hear? Facts? The truth? A lot of people in this forum have bragged about the fact that they didn't listen to the speech. Is that supposed to sound intelligent?
JRJ08, A lot of people
September 12, 2009 - 12:53 ET by hydrodynDMJRJ08,
Really? Who? Maybe I haven't been reading through the posts as carefully as I should, but could you provide a list of links to posters who have bragged about not watching the speech.
By the way, this post suggests a lot of folks here did watch it.
"What were they afraid to
September 12, 2009 - 14:06 ET by ckc1227"What were they afraid to hear?
Facts? The truth?"
Umm.....yeah, whatever their reasons, I'm sure fear of facts and hearing the truth weren't among them. Why be afraid of something that has no chance in hell of happening?
Life in the bunker
September 12, 2009 - 04:30 ET by Jack BauerThis is what it must have been like in Hitler's bunker in the last year before the end of the war.
Despite all evidence to the contrary, generals and acolytes kept telling der Fuehrer what a genuis he was, and how his magnificent tactics were beating those dumb Americans.
And if you don't agree with me, it's quite possible you're a racist.
That's like using Hot
September 12, 2009 - 09:43 ET by RR GOPThat's like using Hot Air's, Newsbusters' and Bill O'Reilly's polls as Gospel.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
they are on full blown
September 12, 2009 - 11:19 ET by NonArabOmarthey are on full blown propaganda mode. Left uses a lot of Goebbels' techniques. Another round of manufactured polls. Everyone is saying Obamacare is dead except the evening news.
Of course, this just plain
September 12, 2009 - 12:56 ET by JRJ08Of course, this is just plain BS. Obama didn't write any of the proposals currently being considered in Congress. In his speech, he drew from many proposals, some of which were offered by people like John McCain. Face it. The only people using Joseph Goebbels' techniques are people like you who do nothing but repeat someone else's lies and half-truths. And who gives a shit about polls? None of them mean anything in the long run. If Obamacare is, indeed, "dead", why are you making such a stink about here?
JRJ08
September 12, 2009 - 18:12 ET by BarkerThe only one stinking up the place here is you with your bigotry and racism. Obama says he has a plan. Have you seen it? Have you read it? Can you provide a link to the Obama Health Care Plan?
That's what I thought.....
Helpful Tip of the Day for JR and other racists: Stop repeating Obama's lies and half-truths.
this protester had it right
September 12, 2009 - 18:15 ET by katainkentthis protester had it right
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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. ~Thomas Jefferson
(if you think healthcare is expensive now - wait until its free)
kk... Lol...talk about
September 12, 2009 - 18:21 ET by bigtimerkk...
Lol...talk about precise.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
There's your sign JR
September 12, 2009 - 18:24 ET by BarkerGood one; that is some funny stuff. Thanks.
Who's Plan is on First
September 12, 2009 - 18:17 ET by Sergeant ROCKIt's the ol' heads I win, tails you lose.
Obama has not written any plan. But he's damn sure championing the one in Congress. However, if it fails, he can blame Congress. If it succeeds, he'll take all of the credit having not read any of it! lol..
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason