ABC Uses California Fires to Tout Homeowner Who 'Would Gladly Pay More Taxes'

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ABC's World News, which has twice in the past few months rued how it's too hard to raise taxes in California, on Tuesday night used one homeowner's appreciation, for the firefighters battling the wild fires threatening his house near Los Angeles, to tout how “he would gladly pay more taxes.”  

Reporting from Tujunga, Brian Rooney warned “California has burned through nearly two-thirds of its emergency firefighting money early in the season,” so “the Governor and other authorities today politicked for even more emergency funds.” After a clip of a union official, Rooney highlighted: “One homeowner, at least, says he would gladly pay more taxes after watching the performance of firefighters.” In the subsequent soundbite, the unidentified man didn't actually say he wanted higher taxes, just that the current high level is worth it for the performance of the firefighters (who only get a small sliver of the state budget): “I think we're the highest in the union, but for last night I'm happy to pay it.”

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My May 19 NewsBusters item, “ABC Regrets California's 'Unwillingness to Raise Taxes,'” recounted:

A Tuesday story on ABC's World News, which ignored soaring state spending, reflected frustration with California voters for the anticipated rejection of ballot initiatives to raise taxes as reporter Laura Marquez blamed the Golden State's budget deficit on an “unwillingness to raise taxes” stretching all the way back to 1978's Proposition 13. In fact, though personal income tax collections “dropped 14% last year,” a Tuesday Wall Street Journal article noted they “soared 70% from 2002 to 2007.”

Marquez: “Coast to coast, state governments are swimming in red ink, overwhelmed by the tanking economy. Here in California, the problem is even worse because of its sheer size and an unwillingness to raise taxes. Thirty years ago, Californians passed Proposition 13, mandating an almost unachievable two-thirds vote by the legislature to raise taxes.”

Two weeks later, “ABC Rues 'It's a Lot Easier to Make Cuts Than It is To Raise Taxes,'” relayed:

ABC's Laura Marquez....repeated herself as she lamented “education and social services continue to end up on the chopping block” because “it's a lot easier to make cuts than it is to raise taxes” since Prop 13 requires “the approval of two-thirds of the legislature to raise taxes, a virtual impossibility.”....World News anchor Charles Gibson emphasized the victims in teasing the upcoming story: “Governor Schwarzenegger's dire warning to California: The poor, the hungry, the very young -- all facing painful cuts.”

From Rooney's lead story on the Tuesday, September 1 World News:

BRIAN ROONEY: ...California has burned through nearly two-thirds of its emergency firefighting money early in the season. The Governor and other authorities today politicked for even more emergency funds.

LOU PAULSON, PRESIDENT, CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS: If we were to deal with two or three more major incidents in the state of California -- fires, floods, natural disasters or man-made disasters, there's not enough depth of resources in the state of California.

ROONEY: One homeowner, at least, says he would gladly pay more taxes after watching the performance of firefighters.

MAN: I think we're the highest in the union, but for last night I'm happy to pay it.

ROONEY: For the time being, though, there's been no shortage of money available to fight fires...

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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There is one in every subdivision in America

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz 

He can pay more taxes ..

He need not take any deductions on his taxes ... As for me, I'd be happy if they let homeowners clear brush around their homes.

Allanf - BINGO

BINGO!  It's be a lot cheaper to take some preventative action instead of letting all that fuel pile up and dry out.

 

"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde

Wasted film

I wonder how much film ABC had to throw away to finally get one person -- one, they couldn't find 2 -- to say he wanted more taxes? Probably took them hours, and several film crews, to canvas the neighborhoods to come up with this "consensus opinion from the state of California".

___________________________________ 

"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT

TnT... That is what I was

TnT...

That is what I was meaning in my post below...I've watched them paste, edit and cut for the nightly news years ago...people would be surprised, not on this site necessarily, the population as a whole.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

or....

The state could stop pouring millions into welfare, and maybe they would afford to pay more for firefighters.

 

yes! i hear you!  half

yes! i hear you!

 half of my family lives in Calif, it is so expensive, i would NOT pay more taxes!JAJT

→ Translation

"I'd pay more in taxes if the rest of America paid the same amount, and I got the benefit"

Sheesh!  I don't live on the coast, or in a flood plain, or in a bone-dry pine forest, but I should pay for somebody else's choices.

Maybe this guy should go for it and impregnate a few unmarried women I could support while he's at it.

Sam Kinnison was it?  "YOU LIVE IN A %*&^ DESERT!"

Are we bemoaning the fact that this underbrush hasn't burned in the last 100 years, or that it hasn't been cleared in that long.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

Happily, if you don't live

Happily, if you don't live in California you don't pay to fight their wildfires.  They receive 78 cents of federal spending for every dollar they collect and send in.  That means that a percentage of the taxes that Californians pay are going to pay for someone else's choices, not the other way around.

Ha!

This from a Canadian who doesn't think taxes could possibly be high enough and that the sole role of government is to baby people. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Whatever Mama

Cool and I are from Texas, so you need not tell us about paying more than we receive in taxes. It wasn't long ago that we led in that department, and with Cali jobs moving to Texas, it may be that way again shortly. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

→ Restless

But since Texas doesn't have a State Income Tax, the little secret left out of the equation is that State Taxes are Deducted from Federal Taxes.

So, in effect, the State Income Tax is partially a Federal Government handout because it reduces the amount of Federally reportable income.

So after that little bit of manipulation, Californians hold their heads high and proclaim themselves net donors.

Shell Game!!

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

→ I can't do this

It's a good story, and not patently false, but not entirely true either.

I was sort of hoping somebody would call me on it, but no dice.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

Okay, here goes

Sorry Cool, but I wasn't paying attention to this thread anymore.

Most of the reason that Cali is a net donor state can be attributed to age, income, and lack of defense spending.

Age, because of the younger population in cali, thus less spending on retirement and medical bennies from the fed.

Income, because calis average more income, and thus pay on average more to the fed due to the progressive nature of the tax system.

Defense spending, because of the waning of defense contracts awarded to cali bases. Ironically, during the Reagan years, cali was a big benefactor of defense spending, as Reagan was ramping up the military. You only get one guess as to who was in office when calis tax imbalance really started to grow. (hint, it started in '87, and really got wide in the '90's, and again widened from '99 through 2005 or so).

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Put up or shut up.

If you are an idiot Californian who thinks that the state needs more of your money, log off Huffpo and send uncle Arnie your bong lighting money. 

No one's stopping them...

No one's stopping them. All these libs that want to pay more taxes can write a check for whatever excess they want to send to the IRS or to Sacramento. I keep hearing them say they want more taxes... fine, "pay" more taxes and leave those of us that actually do pay taxes alone.

I'm not going to dis the

I'm not going to dis the guy here, as a gal who has lost a place to fire, and worked with fire crews here in Big Sky Country, he may have meant he is grateful at the moment...I didn't hear the whole interview, I know how television can edit, cut and paste things together.

I will dis the leftist msm though, it is obvious where they are going with their usual spinning agenda..it is never-ending.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

→ Thanks, bt

I just stopped off at a convenience store/check cashing place, to fill up my monster mug with Coca-cola.  Probably 12 women (only) in line over at the check cashing window.  

Four were elderly, and 8 were 18-25.  Yeah, the checks came in the mail today.

Imagine working your whole life for something an 18-yr old gets for having a child by a loser.

I'm just sick of what the entitlement culture has done to us.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

RO... I'm just sick of

RO...

I'm just sick of what the entitlement culture has done to us.

So am I, past fed up, as you well know....I hope you know what I meant in my post.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

→ I know bt

But I dissed the guy a few posts up.  

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

RO... Oh sorry...I wan't

RO...

Oh sorry...I wan't meaning you when I posted that...I was just speaking in general terms.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

Couldn't we just go out on a

Couldn't we just go out on a limb here and say that the Washington Post is a liberal newspaper, and stop acting all surprised about the spin?

→ Yes, we could

But you'd better hurry, that limb is on fire.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

I mean, aren't there any

I mean, aren't there any other newspapers in D.C.?  All I hear about on this site is the Post.

Mission statement

You seem to have an extremely hard time reading the mission statement of this website.  Many of your repeated whines on NB can be cured if you just read the mission statement.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

No, I mean, I get that, but

No, I mean, I get that, but I'm just saying, it's a liberal newspaper.  Of course there are going to be liberal stories in it.  That'd be like getting mad at a snake for biting you - you can't really be surprised about it.  And I'm not whining, I'm just commenting... in the comments section, where comments go.  You don't have to be a jerk about it, jeez...

Admission???

So you admit that the Washington Post is a Leftist fishwrap, and by extension there IS a Leftist bias in the media?

That is a long way from when you first got here whining about how all you ever heard on this website was "Liberal bias!"  Well done.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

I'm just saying that some

I'm just saying that some bias is so obvious that it almost doesn't need to be pointed.  I'd wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops about Fox News having a conservative bias, because everybody already knows that.  I think that, if you're going to try and look like you don't have a bias, when you actually are just trying to be really subtle about it, then yes, that's messed up.  But if you're the Washington Post or Fox News and you say you don't have a bias, but everybody with half a brain can see that you clearly are VERY biased, then I guess it's not as big of a deal to me.  There are a lot of articles and news stories that have bias pointed out here that I would never have noticed before I started coming here.  I'm not about to start going to Rush Limbaugh book signings, but I'm also not so stubborn that I can't admit something when it's pointed out.  But some bias is so obvious that you'd have to try hard not to see it.

I'd wouldn't be shouting

I'd wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops about Fox News having a conservative bias, because everybody already knows that.

*whap*

 Look dumb@ss, Fox News is fair and balanced.  Otherwise, they would've gotten rid of some people long time ago (Shepherd Smith, anyone?) to make them biased.  Would you get your head out of your butt?

Ok, well then that

Ok, well then that clarifies everything.  So by your logic, MSNBC has no bias because Joe Scarborough works for them, and the Washington Post has no bias because they sometimes have columns written by conservatives like George Will.  Of course, you probably already know that, because if you didn't, you'd have your head way up your butt.  You don't have your head up your butt, do you?

*WHAP*

Fox

 I'd wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops about Fox News having a conservative bias, because everybody already knows that.  I honestly do not think Fox has a conservative bias as much as they dare present conservative views and are not afraid to ask questions from a conservative (as well as Leftist) perspective.  They also treat the conservative viewpoint as legitimate.  This makes it seem like Fox is conservative-biased, because they are the only ones taking that approach. 

Considering the Leftists and Rightists on its staff and news programming, I would argue that while not perfect, they probably come closest to the ideal of objectivity, something which the other networks dispensed with long ago yet still claim they do. 

I'm not about to start going to Rush Limbaugh book signings, this is a brave decision, considering that there hasn't been any that I am aware of in...oh, about 15 years or so. :-)

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Balanced viewpoints on Fox

The thing that convinces me that Fox provides balanced viewpoints is the number of people they have on there who pi$$ me off with their liberal points of view. 

If I try to watch the other cable news channels, everyone pi$$es me off. 

 

"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde

Ha, yeah, TV in general

Ha, yeah, TV in general usually pisses me off.

I think that there has to

I think that there has to be more shows like the ones on Fox coming soon, because these stations are in this business to make money, and if FoxNews shows like O'Reilly and Hannity are doing so well, then there's obviously a considerable audience for more conservative leaning programming.  Hell, if I had the money I'd start my own conservative show, and I'm not even a conservative... but I DO like money.

 

Ahh money, the almighty equalizer.

But, Arkansas...

But Arkansas, think about this.  If the liberal media decided to improve their revenues by, say, providing programs of interest to conservatives (the acknowledged political majority in the country) they would risk pissing off their (small) liberal base.  And you know that that means: boycotting advertisers, web campaigns to trash the network's reputation, all sorts of ugly, liberal tactics.  It could happen.  We've seen liberals eat their own before.

 

"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde

You know, that's the problem

You know, that's the problem with all of this politically correct nonsense that has gotten so popular as of late:  it just takes a handful of people to get offended for something to get changed for everybody.  I don't know if you heard about this, but there was a problem in some places about Santa Claus being too fat, and a slimmer, healthier looking Santa was suggested.  Some other people had a problem with Santa saying ho, ho, ho, because, of course, ho is derogatory to women.  And like I said, this kind of thing is usually started because an extremely small percentage of people gets outraged, and it ruins it for everybody else.

No, I mean, I get that, but

No, I mean, I get that, but I'm just saying...

*whap*

HE SAID, READ THE MISSION STATEMENT...

Zip it

We talk about the Slimes all the ,time. The post only occasionally!!

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

For Firefighters

Well yes I would be willing to pay more for essential services. On the other hand I don't want to give a damn dime to ACORN, NEA, SEIU, PBS, NPR, and the list goes on and on.

"What a revoltin' development this is!"

Chester Riley

Thinking back to Katrina...

Thinking back to Katrina, just why is the MSM not blaming Obama for the supossed shortage of funds and resources in fighting the fire? And come to think of it, why is the MSM not blaming Obama for the disaster in the first place, after all he's been in over 7 months now.

To the best of my knowlege, Obama has not even bothered to fly over the fire to take a look, has he?

Wait - wasn't he on vacation - playing golf -  when the fire began? I suspect he doesn't care about white people.

(;~/ gary

Evening

Evening Gary...

Everything you are mentioning my husband and I were discussing this evening...I was thinking like you earlier today listening to Ahhhnold, I was remembering when Bush was there also, can't think of the gal reporter at the moment that made an arse of herself with her questions, can see her face, anyway, the msm whined if Bush wasn't at all areas in this country immediately if there were any problem areas....etc etc...we all know why they did it...yet the hypocrisy is so obvious now it isn't amusing..in all various areas politically by the way.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

Hey bt

If Bush would have walked on water to save people in NOLA, the MSM would have attacked him for pushing his religion. We need to recycle the MSM, as well. I know you agree.

(;~> gary

Gary... I do. 

Gary...

I do.  ;-)

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

  It just occurred to me

  It just occurred to me that California has terrible wildfires every year that they cannot control.  They are sending up tons of soot and releasing tons of CO2 that is killing the planet.   Since Illinois is 1) broke and 2) doesn't have wildfires, I think that it would be proper to balance out the environmental equation by forcing California into buying some sort of pollution credits from my state in the amount of millions of dollars.

Hmmmm, I wonder where the

Hmmmm, I wonder where the studies are that show X number of acres burning is equal to X number of cars on the road.  They throw it out there for everything else under the sun.  Let's hear it with regard to wildfires!

14 million cars

for three and a half years = 6 years of California fires (2001-2007)

lol.

___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.  ~Thomas Jefferson

Calif has wildfires every

Calif has wildfires every year. last year there was a huge out of control fire in northern calif, it lasted weeks.  my brother is a firefighter. once in a while he has to go either norht or south to help fight the fires. 

 we need to divorce Calif, it is not environmentally friendly to keep them part of our 57 state! JAJT

Mr. Homeowner...........if

Mr. Homeowner...........if California wouldn't WASTE so much of your taxes already on so many things, and wouldn't continue to pay for out of control illegal immigration, you would not have to pay more taxes.  You could actually pay LESS and still get what you are saying you're willing to pay MORE for.

People often say they'd pay more taxes to get this or that.  Screw that, how about government cutting billions in nonsense

I feel for those people who have to watch their homes burn down.  Has to be agonizing.

i think that guy was bussed

i think that guy was bussed in, he is a plant! no way would Calif agree to pay more taxes!

before i moved out of Calif in 2002- Rent alone for a a 2 bedroom apartment in the northridge area was 1000. in the bay area is it like 1500. you need to share a 1 bedroom with a roomate to be able to make the rent.  JAJT

I'd Pay More Taxes

To see these idiot homeowners and their governmental overlords be forced to enact sensible brush-clearing practices.  No one ordered them to move there -- it was their free choice, and that's fine.  But not removing brush and old-growth is the prime reason these fires endanger their homes and lifestyles.  You'd think an oh-so-enlightened (so to speak) populace would be on fire to enact -- lightning-fast -- legislation to allow the clearing of dry underbrush.  It's a shame that this happens again and again.  One begins to think that these residents -- and their governance -- are no better than the Rednecks and Show-Me idiots (who they so denounce as unenlightened) who repeatedly rebuild in flood zones in the Midwest.

  Careful now. (laughing) 

  Careful now. (laughing)  Here in the midwest a lot has been done to move people out of flood zones.  But you can't move them all.  You can't stop it from raining or stop a sudden warm-up when there is a lot of snow on the ground.  Building levees only moves the flooding to someone elses backyard.  Actually I see our flooding as a wasted resource that is worth billions.  Instead of letting all that flood water work its way down the mississippi we should somehow capture it and sell it to the western states.  All we need is a pipeline and we would become the Midwestern sheiks of the water business.

"we would become the Midwestern sheiks of the water business."

Until some pesky minnow shows up.  Sigh!  ; )

Gary

A liberal's generosity is limited only by your income.

4BP- but it just is not

4BP- but it just is not environmentally friendly to brush clear..
this makes me think of last year when Austrilia had that huge fire and they were not allowed to clear old dead brush. because their "green party" had passed a law that it was forbidden to do so.

in northern calif, my brother in law is not allowed ot burn the field after harvesting, and it smells real awful for a few weeks
JAJT

U'r a terrorist if you oppose raising taxes, in CA

You're a terrorist if you oppose raising taxes, in CA - or so said CA State Assembly Speaker, Karen Bass (D.) a few weeks back. And she said it in an interview with the Los Angeles Times (no sweat off their back):

The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair.

I made a number of phone calls on the issue, and we got the increase in gasoline taxes pulled off the ballot  - on the last night of negociations. Why? Can one even imagine the pain and suffering that would cause so many unemployed who are driving around looking for a job? And for that - we're terrorists?

And how did the LA Times describe Karen Bass, only a week later?

Assembly Speaker Karen Bass takes pride in being a consensus-builder, a soothing and maternal let's-get-along kind of leader.

What else can I say?(;'~/ gary

revenue?

President Reagan was able to get Congress to lower taxes and revenue increased; therefore, the Democrats in Congress increased spending.

President Bush was able to get Congress to lower taxes and revenue increased; therefore, the Republicans in Congress increased spending.

Also of note, when revenue goes down due to tax increases or economic down turns spending in Congress still increases. There seems to be a common thread to all this and the voters don't seem to get it.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

The reaction to this

The reaction to this confuses me.

For one thing, isn't this an opportunity to agree on a tax issue, no matter what your political persuasion?  Doesn't everyone think that tax dollars should be used to pay for firefighters to try and save your house when it catches on fire, for whatever reason?  An idiot who falls asleep with a lit cigarette in their hand may not deserve to have their house saved, but the firefighters who save it also saved every other house in the immediate vicinity.  I would think we could all agree that we want them to do that.

We did used to have private fire companies in this country.  I hear it was a great racket that provided gainful employment to many an arsonist.  Surely this is the best way to do it, and if the firefighters are doing an amazing job, then you are actually seeing your tax dollars well spent.   That should be a good thing!

And the guy who is willing to pay more seems right in line with conservative philosophy.  He's not taking taking taking, expecting more when he gets a handout.  He's saying this is a great service, and if we need more money I'm willing to step up and pay more for it.  Personal responsibility, no sense of entitlement, recognition that things cost money and they don't come for free just because they come from the government, etc.

I really don't see how this is an example of a liberally biased news piece.

"Vollies"

 Doesn't everyone think that tax dollars should be used to pay for firefighters to try and save your house when it catches on fire, for whatever reason?  An idiot who falls asleep with a lit cigarette in their hand may not deserve to have their house saved, but the firefighters who save it also saved every other house in the immediate vicinity.  I would think we could all agree that we want them to do that.  Do you have any idea the percentage of firefighters in this country that fight fires for FREE? 

We did used to have private fire companies in this country.  We still do.  Have you been to the Houston area?  As it has many an oil refinery and chemical facility, it is full of private, industrial firefighters.  I hear it was a great racket that provided gainful employment to many an arsonist.  Surely this is the best way to do it, and if the firefighters are doing an amazing job, then you are actually seeing your tax dollars well spent.   That should be a good thing!  Repeat: do you have any idea the percentage of firefighters who fight fires for FREE?

And the guy who is willing to pay more seems right in line with conservative philosophy.  He's not taking taking taking, expecting more when he gets a handout.  He's saying this is a great service, and if we need more money I'm willing to step up and pay more for it.  Personal responsibility, no sense of entitlement, recognition that things cost money and they don't come for free just because they come from the government, etc.  Seems to me he could get even more accomplished by starting up a VFD.  They are all over the place.  VFDs are one of my favorite charitable causes.  THAT is in line with conservative philosophy; not sitting around whining about how higher taxes are the cure-all.

I really don't see how this is an example of a liberally biased news piece.  It's not that you don't - you don't want to.  That's the difference. 

See, ABC looked all over and cheerfully reported one one guy who would be tickled pink to pay more in taxes.  This suits the reporters in ABC just fine.  I'd be willing to bet they would be totlly unwilling to utter one single PEEP about volunteer firefighters. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

See, ABC looked all over

See, ABC looked all over and cheerfully reported one one guy who would be tickled pink to pay more in taxes. 

Actually, Unsane, ABC even managed to misrepresent that aspect.  The reporter claimed that the guy said he would be willing to pay more taxes.  The guy never said that.  All he said was that in the context of the work the firefighters had just done, he felt that his taxes had been well spent.  Just another example of the left cynically politicizing a natural disaster to advance a bankrupt agenda.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

fitz... Thank you...it is

fitz...

Thank you...it is more than noticeable if you really read this...the msm puts things in their realm for their agenda...simple as that...always have, always will.

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

"We did used to have

"We did used to have private fire companies in this country.  I hear it
was a great racket that provided gainful employment to many an
arsonist."

Don't believe everything you hear. Besides, how does turning firefighting over to government remove the incentive to hire arsonists? No fires, no government funding, no government job. Oh, that's right....people who work for the government are above breaking the law, or behaving immorally and unethically. You know, because...well, because they work for government, that's why.

Next you'll be telling us we need to turn health care over to government because private health care is a great racket for all those amputation-happy, tonsil-stealing doctors.

Okay, did you actually just

Okay, did you actually just accuse modern firefighters of setting fires to secure government funding?

Reading comprehension not

Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see. Try reading my post again, and get back to us when you get a clue.

Not the only weak link

Not only is her reading comprehension faulty but her memory is also extremely short.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

That doesn't surprise me,

That doesn't surprise me, Un.

Arsonist Firefighters

There was a story not long ago, maybe this year, about some firefighters that were setting fires so they could work. I think they wanted the overtime.

Forgive me since I don't have time to read this whole thread nor try to look it up.

firefighter charities

several exist in the LA area.  If you want to give money to the firefighters don't wait for your local govt to come take it and run it through their mill first.

___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.  ~Thomas Jefferson

Indeed!

Indeed.  I have a few VFDs I give money to every year.  It would stun people, especially posters like mamabear, to know how many people fight fires and respond to emergency medical calls for free. 

When you give money to a VFD, it goes to equipment, training, sending off firefighters to advanced training, EMT courses, and things of this nature. 

Do you have any links to those charities?  I would look but I have my hands full at the moment.  Thanks much in advance.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

I could find some

but they would be random and unvetted.  I haven't lived in SoCal for almost 15 yrs.  I would recommend something like Charitynavigator or something similar to anyone looking to make sure their dollars were being spent effectively.

I have a lot of relatives in the fire and emt professions.  I can assure you they would be grateful for the assistance.

___________________________________________
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.  ~Thomas Jefferson

The best

Firefighting charities to give too, are your local FD. Maybe send a little extra to the guys in south Cali.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I'm not stunned.  I know

I'm not stunned.  I know many communities rely on volunteer fire departments.  Many of those firefighters come to places like SoCal during wildlfires to help out.  They are awesome.

However, there is a downside to volunteer services, which is that they are volunteer.  That means that you can only plan ahead and guarantee so much staffing.  

Paying for at least some firefighters gives you a minimum level of security for being able to handle emergencies.  According to the CPF there are 30,000 professional firefighters in California.  Unless you've got that many volunteers lined up to take their place, stop pretending that you can take care of California's fire issues without paying something with taxes!

You are the one that needs to stop pretending

 Unless you've got that many volunteers lined up to take their place, stop pretending that you can take care of California's fire issues without paying something with taxes!  TX has many fire issues and we deal with them just fine in many areas with something called "charity".  YOU need to stop pretending that government can solve everything and that we all need to shut up and cheerfully pay more and more in taxes. 

Paying for at least some firefighters gives you a minimum level of security for being able to handle emergencies.  Not really.  There are quite a few situations where once the fire gets going, it WILL consume the structure/field, and that the firefighter's role at that point is to contain the damage.  Wildfires are a good example: unless preventative measures are taken to minimize the risk (clearing of brush, for example), you can have every paid firefighter in the land at the scene and it will not do one damn thing to stop the fire. 

 However, there is a downside to volunteer services, which is that they are volunteer.  That means that you can only plan ahead and guarantee so much staffing.  Yep.  Which is why there are things like mutual aid agreements, and why I and many others contribute to them through charity. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Is California still spending

Is California still spending $$ for the seals?

 

Brian's standing right

Brian's standing right there...I'm sure he could have written a big check to the local tax collector.

Oh, he forgot his checkbook?

Well, maybe next time.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Burn Baby Burn

I am a long-time CA resident..........No More Taxes  (TEA)

He could cut out the "middle

He could cut out the "middle man" and just thow the money into the fire!