Certain MSNBC hosts have been fixated over using the “birthers” to discredit conservatives, highlighting a poll commissioned by the far-left Daily Kos site which found a majority of Republicans (58 percent) either believe Barack Obama wasn't born in the U.S. (28 percent) or are not sure he was (30 percent). Chris Matthews led Friday's Hardball with the beliefs of the GOP's “lunatic fringe” and “wack jobs,” but where was MSNBC two years ago ranting about the Democratic Party's “lunatic fringe” and “wack jobs” when a survey discovered a bigger majority of Democrats (61 percent) think or are not sure if President George W. Bush knew in advance of the 9/11 terrorist attacks?
Washington Examiner columnist/blogger David Freddoso pointed out a couple of hours earlier, during another MSNBC segment devoted to the Daily Kos poll (his post about his appearance), what Rasmussen Reports found. That poll released on May 4, 2007 determined:
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
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So, more than a third of Democrats believe the President of the United States knew of a terrorist attack which would murder thousands of Americans and did nothing to stop it. That's quite an indictment of how a significant portion of that party thinks the absolute worst of their nation.
Sadly, even some Republicans accept that lunacy. More from Rasmussen's summary:
Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view.Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Young Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance....
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center




















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Well of course Bush knew about....
August 4, 2009 - 12:41 ET by Prester John....it since was all an inside job to provide a cassus belli so that Halliburton (did you know Dick Cheney used to be the head of that company?) to get huge contracts in Iraq.
Everybody knows that.
Geesh. (sarc)
Of course he knew
August 4, 2009 - 14:35 ET by jabelsonthe CIA presented a memo detailing an al qaeda plot to crash planes into buildings - if he didn't know he should have. of course - this being newsbusters, it's completely dishonest. I don't recall any bills in congress asking Bush to PROVE he DIDN'T know...
Nice try
August 4, 2009 - 14:41 ET by Prester JohnI worked in the intel community and many of those Presidential Daily Briefings (as well as many other intel reports) are generic to the point of being worthless.
"prove" he didn't know? I
August 4, 2009 - 16:08 ET by mattm"prove" he didn't know? I defy anyone to prove they don't know something.
On the other hand, if Obama has the proof that he was indeed qualified as a "natural born citizen" he could easily produce it and end this whole controversy.
But, of course, not doing so does not prove he couldn't do it.
One could legitimately conclude that he doesn't produce the proof either because he can't, or because he's getting alot of mileage out of the "birthers" slander campaign.
Either conjecture has much more validity than the "Bush knew or should have known" b.s.
The memo you are talking
August 4, 2009 - 16:15 ET by PeskyDaneThe memo you are talking about didn't "detail" anything. It was the vaugest of references that was included in a presidential briefing. This point was dismissed years ago. If you are going to comment on this site, do some research first - bother to be informed.
"I have intelligence
August 4, 2009 - 16:24 ET by SickofLibs"I have intelligence there will be a murder in Chicago somewhere tonight. I hold Obama fully accountable if it is not thwarted."
"the CIA presented a memo
August 4, 2009 - 16:54 ET by ckc1227"the CIA presented a memo detailing an al qaeda plot to crash planes into buildings"
Translation: I haven't actually read the memo, but I got a message beamed in from the mother ship saying this is what it said.
Nowhere in the memo did it say AQ planned to crash planes into buildings. Nowhere did it say anything about crashing planes period.
The memo was also based on historical information dating back to the Clinton administration. There was nothing new in it. If everything was so clear that far back, why didn't Clinton stop 9/11?
Okay, one last time...
August 4, 2009 - 23:02 ET by Tom1969caHere, for your edification, is the complete text of the President's Daily Briefing for August 6, 2001:
Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US
Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin
Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin
Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his
followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi
Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [redacted] service.
An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an [redacted] service
at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's
access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.
The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own US attack.
Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.
Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998
demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not
deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.
Al-Qa'ida members--including some who are US citizens--have
resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently
maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qua'ida
members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.
A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.
We have not been able to corroborate some of the more
sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [redacted] service in 1998
saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the
release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.
Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns
of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for
hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of
federal buildings in New York.
In the second-to-last paragraph, Bush would have learned that bin Ladin may have considered hijacking airliners to gain the release of Shaykh al-Rahman (among others); this means the plan would have been to take hostages, not crash the airliners into buildings.
In the last paragraph, Bush is told about "preparations for hijacking or other types of attacks, including surveillance of federal buildings in New York." The World Trade Center was not a Federal Government building; the Pentagon (a Federal Government building) is not in New York. Even if Bush had acted on the August 6/01 PDB, his people would've been looking in the wrong places...
However, I would in all seriousness appreciate it if you would please answer this question: What action(s) should Bush have taken between August 6, 2001 and September 11, 2001 to prevent the attacks which subsequently took place? I'll even make it easier for you - you may base your answer on "knowing what we know now", rather than restricting yourself to the sketchy data in the August 6/01 PDB.
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Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin doesn't really have anything to do with this topic...
What action(s) should Bush
August 4, 2009 - 23:11 ET by Free StinkerWhat action(s) should Bush have taken between August 6, 2001
and September 11, 2001 to prevent the attacks which subsequently took
place?
Let's supose Bush had "done something" and prevented 9/11.
The Libs and the MSM would have screamed Bloody Murder. These are people who wear shirts that say "Sarah Palin is a (c-word)". Imagine what
they would have said if Bush knew about 9/11 and ordered the necessary
steps to stop it?
Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
August 4, 2009 - 23:21 ET by Tom1969caExactly! The only way to have prevented 9/11 would have been to PROFILE every Arab-looking male boarding an airplane in the weeks leading up to the attacks. Natuarally, the ACLU would have been all over that a pack of hungry dogs on a three-legged cat.
However, further adding to Bush's villainy, the "alleged planned terrorist attacks" would have never happened (since the profiling would have, um, WORKED) ... and since the attacks never happened, therefore the left would take their non-occurring as "proof" that in addition to being an anti-Arab racist Bush was also a liar in making such baseless accusations against these innocent people...
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Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin, like James Kirk, does not believe in a no-win situation.
Wow Tom...thank you. That
August 4, 2009 - 23:20 ET by bigtimerWow Tom...thank you.
That is a rich post.
Unfortunately jabel has always seemed to be a drive-by trollster from what I've ever seen.
Matters not really, glad you have info here, he sure can't spin or refute...plus I always love learning more myself.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Thanks for the kind words, BT
August 4, 2009 - 23:26 ET by Tom1969caFacts can be inconvenient things, eh...?
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Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin knows Patrick Moynahan was correct when he said, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; they are not, however, entitled to their own facts."
Of course, had that vomit,
August 4, 2009 - 23:57 ET by NL207Of course, had that vomit, Jamie Gorelick, not ever drawn breath, maybe Zacarias Moussaoui's computer would have been searched in a timely fashion and the whole plot would have been exposed.
If only.
Colleen Rowley was ever so close. Bad leadership from the Clinton administration did so much to thwart the best efforts of good Americans to defeat these people. Moussaoui's flight instructor was on the ball. He realized something was very wrong with this student and deemed him a threat. But it was all for nought.
Since you "know" all about
August 4, 2009 - 23:46 ET by NL207Since you "know" all about this it must be public. Link such memos please. Surely you must be able to locate at least one. Show us that Bush knew all about the attack in advance.
Otherwise, locate your tail between your legs and withdraw your scurrilous accusation.
Oh do shut up Plugs.
August 5, 2009 - 03:32 ET by JWFWhy is it that a man that fancies himself so smart consistently manages to have his user accounts discovered by the morons at a site he supposedly hates?
The only one dishonest here is you and your constant use of multiple accounts.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Looks like plugs sockpuppets at DKos too.
August 5, 2009 - 04:13 ET by JWFToo stupid to breathe.
He not only outs himself for repeated use of multiple accounts here. Looks like he practices the same at DKos under syrius and jabelson.
Not even bright enough to come up with new monikers. What would we expect though from a guy that stole one of his previous monikers here from a James Bond movie.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
FACTUAL MORAL MIDGETS DON'T COUNT (JFK)
August 5, 2009 - 18:00 ET by reelman46JFK: SERIAL ADULTERY (yawn)
Secret Service: JFK Met Marilyn Monroe at Justice Dept. for Sex
August 5, 2009 1:14 PM By: Jim Meyers
President John F. Kennedy had secret trysts with Marilyn Monroe in a
loft above the office of his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy,
Ronald Kessler reveals in his new book about the Secret Service.
“In the President’s Secret Service: Behind the Scenes With Agents in
the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect,” released Tuesday,
features startling disclosures about presidents from JFK to Barack Obama.
Newsmax Chief Washington Correspondent Kessler is the first
journalist to penetrate the wall of secrecy that surrounds the U.S.
Secret Service, and his book is based on interviews with more than 100
current and former agents.
Agents told Kessler that D-Kennedy had sex with Monroe at New York
hotels and in the loft above D-Bobby’s Kennedy’s office at the Justice
Department…..
CRAWFISH NOTE: Permit me to enlighten the younger
voters on JFK. The hero of HornDog Klinton was and has been a known
serial adulterer despite still having pre-teens in his family. Remember
JFK was a democrat so he “got a media pass” akin to Klinton “getting
media excuses”.
Its widely written the agents called two WH secretaries part of this
married democrat’s serial adultery ring. Server space prohibits listing
all those in the Klinton serial adultery ring. Don’t look for this
“revelation” in modern college texts anytime soon.
The only startling thing about this factoid is the word “startling”.
How about some revelation on why JFK promised air support against
the Castro forces taking over Cuba then sent none to save that nation
from communism? Maybe he was busy trysting?
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
Democrat kooks good
August 4, 2009 - 12:50 ET by 10ksnookerBirthers bad. Weird isn't it. Have you seen the real long form of The Jokers birth certificate? College records? Passport? Citizenship documents? In the new age of the Joker's transparency I would think all that would be available to the public.
I did witness the planes crashing into the WTC though. And did see the Al Qaeda types taking credit for it.
97% of all viewers to
August 4, 2009 - 12:51 ET by oldArmy97% of all viewers to include DIMS and Republicans don't tune into MSNBC.
Is it true Obama relatives
August 4, 2009 - 13:01 ET by deerjerkydaveIs it true that Obama's relatives in Africa claim he was born there? I've heard the claims but have never heard a serious report from the liberal media vetting these claims. Oh yeah, the liberal media never properly vetted this President during the campaign.
That story has been
August 4, 2009 - 13:58 ET by NL207That story has been recanted. It has been reported that Obama's grandmother was "mistranslated".
In any case, either the people in East Africa are lying about this, or they never said it, or the Hawaii certificate is a 'registration of live birth' instead of a 'certificate of live birth' or it is a fake altogether.
The birth certificate is not sufficient in Obama's case, because there are other questions about his citizenship arising from his own actions as a young adult and his mother's actions when he was a child.
Balance
August 4, 2009 - 13:03 ET by KC MulvillePersonally, I don't want to get involved in the Birthers' thing. The first thing that philosophy teaches is to admit when you don't know. Hell, I'm a programmer in Baltimore; how the hell would I know? This is a popcorn issue for me. I sit back and watch the show.
However, I'm losing count of how many such popcorn issues have happened in the last twenty years. Vince Foster. Chinese tech deals. Bush's secret war (pick enemy). CIA's 9/11 involvement. Now Obama's birth. Anything and everything Seymour Hersh has ever written. And of course, the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (whose meetings I've never been invited to). As to the truth of any of them, how the hell would I know?
What's interesting, though, is the Rorschach(sp?) test for the media. If it favors the liberals, it's presented as fact. If it doesn't, it's all kooky whack jobs. These judgments are passed without a whiff of evidence on either side.
The "Birthers" label is a
August 4, 2009 - 13:06 ET by mattmThe "Birthers" label is a slander tactic designed to scare people away from the issue of Obama's place of birth.
All he'd have to do to end it is release the real birth certificate, not just the certification from Hawaii, which some say is only given to people who were born abroad.
It may well be the Obama is legally a "natural born citizen" - I think it's possible to be considered a natural born citizen if your parents are American citizens living abroad for work reasons or whatever...I'm not sure, but either way, I'd like to see some transparency from Mr. Hopeandchange.
North Pole
August 4, 2009 - 13:20 ET by cvgbuckeyeI don't care if he was born in Hawaii, the North Pole or dare I say in Hades. It makes me no difference.
No matter where he was born, he is still an evil, racist, socialist, Black Liberation Theologist, American hating liar whose main goal in the presidency is to bring MY COUNTRY to it's knees so that he can restore the ownership of America to who he believes is it's rightful owners. He is finally breathing life into what all the liberals and most democrats have coveted for decades; "ITS ALIVE"! they cry!
He and all those suckling at his breast will fail. They know who they are and so do we. We shall all meet one day and it will be settled. They are giving us no choice and most people do not want to own up to where all this is leading. Its about time.
If he is also not a 'natural
August 4, 2009 - 13:54 ET by NL207If he is also not a 'natural born citizen', then we can remove him by force if needs be and invalidate all that he has done.
Bullseye
August 4, 2009 - 14:37 ET by wolfemanicThat's the main point. I am a constitutionalist, not a birther. Obama can stick his BC, I don't care what it says.
The greater crime is we have abandoned the wisdom of the Constitution,
we have told the world you can be the President and your daddy can come
from fuck*ng Mars, it don't matter anymore. Natural born is dead.
I am sure our sworn enemies, who will do anything, and will battle us
until the end of time, are right now planting seeds in every female
American citizen they can get their grubby hands on. They don't care how long it takes, they just hope one day that one might be groomed for being President.
Or they may have a candidate already picked.
We are a constitutional republic are we not?
We already are, and will continue to endure for not abiding to its wisdom.
What hipocrisy! What
August 4, 2009 - 13:24 ET by bedmondsonWhat hipocrisy! You won't hear this on MSNBC anytime soon. What Democrat congressmen went to the floor of the house to acuse Bush of this like the birthers did with Obama?
20 million conspiratorialists - Noooo issue there!
August 4, 2009 - 13:27 ET by Gary Hallsoo.. let's see. The national MSM is all hot and bothered that a few folks, Birthers, out there - conspiratorialists, they would call them - want proof that President Obama was born in the United States.
Meanwhile 35% of Democrats (perhaps some 20 million persons) are hanging onto this old disproved conspiracy theory that "Bush knew - and did nothing." And the national MSM is cool, calm and collected about that?
Then, there are those great number of people on the left that actually believe that Bush was behind the planning for 9/11 and carried out the attack - all for oil and power. Perhaps it's time for the MSM to proove it's citizenship to the viewers.
About Americans
August 4, 2009 - 13:42 ET by 1uncle1uncle:: Talk about dumbing down. That so many people think Bush planned 9/11 or even knew about it is beyond crazy. Are there that many 'born on welfare' demorats? Are our schools runned by traitorous idiots. Can't these people think? I will make my congressmen aware that I will not vote for them unless they stop breeding dummasses on welfare.
you have to look at the claim that bush
August 4, 2009 - 13:56 ET by larry on LIknew before the attack on the wtc, with the knowledge that the same claim was made of FDR over pearl harbor attack. there will always be a part of the populous that wants to counter the facts available.
It really doesn't bother me
August 4, 2009 - 13:56 ET by pitter43It really doesn't bother me that 35% of democrat/liberals think that, 95% of them are idiots.
Tha
August 4, 2009 - 14:50 ET by jessieHThat is absolutely absurd. Patriot & Proud!
FDR Landing on the Moon and Obama
August 4, 2009 - 15:02 ET by sevans1956It is true that many feel that FDR conspired with the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor as the only way out of the depression was to fight WW 2. 9/11 arguably caused the recession that we are in today. There is no logic.
I think that the folks that think Bush led us to 9/11 are as crazy as the kooks that think we did not land on the moon. Obama's ancestry will be hard to prove. Even if he was born in Kenya, how are we going to prove it.
What bothers me is the way that the MSM ignored this question in the campaign. They also ignored how he paid for his home. They ignored his ties to the "machine" of Chicago politics. They ignored his ties to Bill Ayres and his preacher. Why? The fix was in.
The thing is we cannot prove that he was not born in America, but we can certainly figure out if he is a crook.