Daring to go where only cable has gone so far, Wednesday's NBC Nightly News waded into the rampant claims that President Barack Obama -- though he was born in a U.S. state and to a mother who was a U.S. citizen, so even if he were born in Kenya he'd still be a U.S. citizen -- is somehow really not one. Anchor Brian Williams didn't hide his disdain, teasing the newscast: “Spreading lies about President Obama's birthplace and about his U.S. citizenship. Who's doing it and why?”
(Too bad Williams didn't show such concern for wild allegations in late 2004 and into 2005 that President Bush was illegitimate when colleague Keith Olbermann spent months using his MSNBC show to hype claims Ohio voting machines were manipulated to deny John Kerry's win which would have given him the presidency.)
After video of a woman in Delaware shouting at a Congressman over Obama's citizenship, Williams fretted: “A lot of us live with this issue; we get e-mails, we get asked about it.” Exaggerating the extent of the attention the issue gets on the right, reporter Pete Williams declared: “It hasn't gone away, becoming a staple of blogs and conservative talk radio.” He soon asserted that “legal scholars -- liberal and conservative alike -- are in widespread agreement that Barack Obama is fully qualified.”
Outlining the evidence, Williams noted how “Obama's campaign long ago released his birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii after it joined the union,” how the state has the original and how “the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper faxed us its birth announcements from August 13, 1961, noting that a son was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama.”
Pete Williams noted how “one conservative talk show host considers the citizenship issue frivolous.” In a soundbite, Michael Medved sensibly pointed out: “We are just right now getting real traction on some of the issues regarding President Obama, his expansion of government, his spending, this, this is resonating with the American people. This is a terrible distraction. And it makes us look crazy and angry and fringy and irresponsible.”
Not sure I've ever heard “fringy” used before in a news story.
To conclude, Pete Williams recalled how citizenship questions have been raised by other candidates, but ones who didn't take office: “John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, Barry Goldwater born in Arizona when it was still a territory and Mitt Romney's father, George, born in Mexico.”
From the Wednesday, July 22 NBC Nightly News:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: We have a piece of videotape to show you tonight that's starting to receive wide circulation. It's the question that won't seem to go away for President Barack Obama even though it's been answered. The issue of the President's birth place, and American citizenship, has become a kind of conspiracy theory. This is what happened when Republican Congressman Mike Castle of Delaware called on a woman in the audience at a recent town meeting.
WOMAN: Why are you people ignoring his birth certificate? (cheers and applause) He is not an American citizen! He is a citizen of Kenya. I am American. My father worked, fought in World War II with the greatest generation in the Pacific theater for this country, and I don't want this flag to change. I want my country back! (cheers and applause)CASTLE: If you're referring to the President there, he is a citizen of the United States. (boos) He is a citizen of the United States.
WOMAN: I think we should all stand up and give Pledge of Allegiance to that wonderful flag.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: ...A lot of us live with this issue; we get e-mails, we get asked about it. Our Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams is going to join in on this conversation from Washington. Pete, no matter how untrue this comes up at a lot of public gatherings now?
PETE WILLIAMS: ...It hasn't gone away, becoming a staple of blogs and conservative talk radio.
AUDIO OF LOU DOBBS ON THE RADIO: All the President of the United States has to do is produce a birth certificate.
AUDIO OF RUSH LIMBAUGH: Barack Obama has yet to have to prove he is a citizen.
PETE WILLIAMS And lawsuits challenging the President's citizenship have been filed in and thrown out of courts around the country. But legal scholars -- liberal and conservative alike -- are in widespread agreement that Barack Obama is fully qualified. The Constitution says only a “natural born citizen” can be President. And though the Supreme Court has never said exactly what that means, legal authorities agree that at the very least it covers any one actually born inside the United States.
Obama's campaign long ago released his birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii after it joined the union. State officials say Hawaiian law blocks release of the document signed by doctors the day he was born, but issued a statement saying they have “personally seen and verified” it. And the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper faxed us its birth announcements from August 13, 1961, noting that a son was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama. One conservative talk show host considers the citizenship issue frivolous.
MICHAEL MEDVED: We are just right now getting real traction on some of the issues regarding President Obama, his expansion of government, his spending, this, this is resonating with the American people. This is a terrible distraction. And it makes us look crazy and angry and fringy and irresponsible.
PETE WILLIAMS: Similar questions have dogged other presidential candidates. John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, Barry Goldwater born in Arizona when it was still a territory and Mitt Romney's father, George, born in Mexico. And in 1881, when Chester A. Arthur became President, his political opponents questioned whether he was actually born in Vermont or somewhat further north -- in Canada. Brian?
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So many conspiracy theories, so little time.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
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Why HIDE a LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE???????
July 22, 2009 - 19:42 ET by JaykeBrian, YOU ARE A SHAM!
oldsaying
July 22, 2009 - 20:05 ET by 10ksnookerWhen you are hiding something that has no value, that costs you lots to hide, then you are hiding something that you don't want others to know. Otherwise, why hide it in the first place.
If you renounce your citizenship, like the Soretos did for the infant Obama when he went back to Indonesia, then you are no longer native born USA citizen. Most states when you adopt an infant child by a foreign national the State will allow the change of the child's nationality, citizenship. Since Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, ergo what are you hiding Obama? Did your adopted father change your citizenship to Indonesian ...
And all the lies fall apart if you pay the $12 and order the State of Hawaii to show everyone your birth certificate. And while you are at it, your passport that you traveled to Pakistan on, since it was illegal for America citizens to go there when you went ... curious how you managed that. If it was as an Indonesian citizen then all would have been fine, right?
Costs little to nothing to make "the lies" go away. So what are you hiding?
Obviously! All that needs
July 23, 2009 - 18:46 ET by mattmObviously! All that needs to happen is for O-kenyan to show us the proof that he was born in the U.S., then we'd know who's lying and who's not.
Chrissy Matthews was about
July 22, 2009 - 19:52 ET by GregEChrissy Matthews was about to lose it on a Republican Congressman last night, who has introduced a bill that says that from this point forward, presidential candidates must prove their Constitutional qualifications publicly. Chris couldn't believe what he was hearing. He held up Obama's birth certificate, insisting the Congressman say Obama is a citizen, etc etc. Basically trying to browbeat him. It was almost like someone had railed against Chrissy's momma or something. LOL Well, I guess it was something similar...his daddy.
Not his mommy or daddy
July 22, 2009 - 22:27 ET by nadadhimmiMore like his unrequited, homosexual lover.
The coverup
July 22, 2009 - 19:59 ET by slickwillie2001There are several angles to this story; there's the British subject angle, the long-form vs short formangle, the relatives in Kenya that say he was born there, the mother too young to impart American citizenship, etc, etc. They are all complex legal arguments and there's a birdshot effect to that approach.
Nevermind all that, let's condense the question down to -why is he hiding the long-form, what is he trying to keep from the public, and why has he spent many thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep it from we the people?
As usual, focus on the coverup, not the crime.
Slick, it also makes you
July 22, 2009 - 20:02 ET by Scuba DudeSlick, it also makes you think about everything else he is hiding. Where are all his school records? His files as a State Senator? His billing records and many many other documents.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
If he were born overseas...
July 22, 2009 - 21:34 ET by RightsBelieverIf Obama had been born overseas to at least ONE parent who is an American Citizen, all it takes to prove his or her citizenship is to have that birth abroad registered at the nearest consulate. (I'm an Army brat, we do this alllll the time; Germany for me, both parents US Citizens and father in the service.) That would be a FS Form 240. You bet I have a notarized copy for this situation, where's his?
Nobody says nothing better than Obama.
citizenship
July 23, 2009 - 02:43 ET by sudmufHis mother wasn't old enough to confer citizenship at that time.
→ Understandable
July 22, 2009 - 20:05 ET by Cool ArrowGeorge Bush never claimed to have slept with Brian Williams.
Spreading lies - Dan Rather comes to mind..
July 22, 2009 - 20:10 ET by Gary HallSpreading lies - Dan Rather comes to mind.. spreading lies about President Bush. Did Williams jump on that one?
obamabirth
July 22, 2009 - 20:11 ET by ForbusThis is a total NBC/MSNBC smokescreen. These questions have been out there for months and months. Why the coverage now? Well, dropping poll numbers...skyrocketing unemployment...Democrats in turmoil....etc...etc.
you nailed it
July 23, 2009 - 09:44 ET by JohnMThis is NBC's red herring to distract from O's Waterloo...
When it gets too hot in the kitchen, point to the horizon and act horrified at tiny wispy clouds, and claim that a terrible storm is upon us.
Don't get distracted by this, folks, the real heat is elsewhere. Let's keep the flames under his feet on Obama-kare!
So this finally grew legs
July 22, 2009 - 20:16 ET by carolina09John McCain showed us his. Now, show us yours, Obama.
→ carolina
July 22, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Cool ArrowLikely they've perfected the birth certificate now.
/sarc
Given enough time a good FORGERY can be produced ...
July 22, 2009 - 20:21 ET by Jayke... I'm afraid that it is too late to catch him at his lie BUT this whole story will at least make him look like a GREAT BIG JERK.
I wonder if there would be
July 22, 2009 - 20:27 ET by Scuba DudeI wonder if there would be jail time involved if it was found out that he was not born in the United States?
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
→ No Scuba Dude
July 22, 2009 - 20:29 ET by Cool ArrowHe'd blame it on the stupid Cambridge police.
jail
July 23, 2009 - 02:41 ET by sudmufYes, in all 57 states!
Welcome to Leavenworth
July 23, 2009 - 05:34 ET by Irene FlickI would assume anyone who perpetrates such a massive fraud would end up in Leavenworth. I'm not sure where the female equivalent would be for his partner in crime, the lovely Michelle.
Yep, olina-o9er
July 22, 2009 - 22:27 ET by kilrodYep, McCain showed us his arse, and now 0-Dumb-butt is showing us his. But, did you ever see such big ears on an arse before.!!~~!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
OWTBC?
July 22, 2009 - 20:20 ET by WesenOBAMA WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIICATE?
He can lay all this to rest by giving the American people:
his kindergarten records,
his Punahou school records,
his Occidental College records,
his Columbia University records,
his Columbia thesis,
his Harvard Law School records,
his Harvard Law Review articles,
his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago,
his passport,
his medical records,
his files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
his Illinois State Bar Association records,
his baptism records,
and his adoption records.
→ Wesen
July 22, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Cool ArrowDo Muslims baptize?
doh
July 22, 2009 - 20:31 ET by WesenGood pont. We know Barry about as well as his Mother knew his Father. It's time for him to come clean and we'll promse him six months in Super Max and a one way ticket to Pakistan.
NOTE: My Tin Foil is wadded up, but unfoldable. Head too hot
July 22, 2009 - 20:29 ET by DeskpilotRecall if you will,the Reagan era movie, "The Final Countdown," relevant part starts @ 01:17.
USC ArtISec3:(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)((http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html))
The really sticky point that I believe that NO ONE wants to address is the potential for a "Constitutional Crisis," to wit:
If he wasn't qualified to begin with, can he lawfully select a running mate?
If he wasn't qualified, how can he be lawfully elected?
If he couldn't be lawfully elected, then Sen. Biden could not be selected for (and win)VP.
If he couldn't have been elected, then how does the government walk back all of the legislative and Executive Branch damage done since Nov 4 (Bush had a hand in bailout and TARP Nov 4-Jan 20). Government, as is this case, doesn't get a mulligan, can't use Ctrl-Z.
Who would be the Cabinet Secretaries? Not too many hold overs from the previous administration who had already been confirmed on the advise and consent of the Senate.
Does all of Wall St. have to reset their books to Nov 5, 2008.
Does the Government have to give back the interest paid on all of the bailout money the banks were so quick to pay back because they didn't want Obama's thugs all over their private businesses?
Do G(overnment) M(otors) and Chrsler LLC go backwards in time without bailout protection, will the Unions be forced to forfeit their new found control over the automakers?
Will all of the roads and bridges that have been repaired (both of them) have to be destroyed and the State DoT's return those dollars.
How do you get all of the businesses that have closed to reopen and re-hire.
If it hasn't been legal since Jan 21, where do we stand?
Can tin foil be folded into a cup that holds water? You betcha.
Can it be folded into the shape of a ship that floats in the pool? Yup
Can a wad of tin foil be crumpled up like a ball and thrown at said ship to make it sink, depends on your aim.
Enough to make you crazy of you think about it too long.
I would have better luck working through a $1,000 overdraft with my bank (not credit union) and coming out even.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, You're welcome - Deskpilot, AM(H)1 (AW), USN (Ret)
Deskpilot
July 22, 2009 - 20:33 ET by jdlybrandLet's substitute 'laughably' for 'legally' and all the questions are answered.
'Laughably elected'
Thanks for your service!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
And..............since the
July 22, 2009 - 21:04 ET by GregEAnd..............since the qualifications for president are enumerated in the Constitution and are simple and without need for interpretation whatsoever, the Supreme Court would be forced to rule 9-0. Anything less than unanimous would mean someone was blatantly disregarding the Constitution (moreso than currently) and Congress would have NO choice but to impeach that Justice.
Ohhh what a tangled big ol sloppy mess of a spin cycle that would be.
K.I.S.S.
July 22, 2009 - 20:22 ET by ghblogThe answer is simple...show us the document. If he did that this discussion would go away except for those who do not think that we landed on the moon (Whoopi).
exactly right
July 23, 2009 - 02:20 ET by konoThey're spreading lies, Brian? Prove it.
Upon enrolling as an official candidate, each enrolee should be required to present proof that they meet the Constitution's qualifications for the office. This could even be incorporated into the campaign process with a ceremonial ritual. But it should not be taken for granted any more that only qualified people will run for the office.
Brian is just defending his hero.
July 22, 2009 - 20:31 ET by superconSomeone challenged his widdle hewo and he is vewy angwy.
Question: Will NBC ever get tired of embarassing itself with it's Obama love?
Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.
"Michael Medved sensibly
July 22, 2009 - 20:32 ET by ckc1227"Michael Medved sensibly pointed out: “We are just right now getting
real traction on some of the issues regarding President Obama, his
expansion of government, his spending, this, this is resonating with
the American people. This is a terrible distraction. And it makes us
look crazy and angry and fringy and irresponsible.”
And that's your money quote: A republican calling other Republicans crazy, and by implication, the whole party. I KNEW this is exactly what would happen when Medved said on his show today that he would be on NBC to discuss this issue tonight. He's one of those guys who say we have to be nicer to Democrats, but won't hesitate to slam his own side.
Also, Medved loves too poo poo this conspiracy theory and others, getting quite angry about it at that. You know what the funny thing is though? He believes in bigfoot. The bigfoot movement uses the same kind of manipulative techniques, half-truths, lies, etc used by the typical conspiracy theorist. Medved DESPISES it when people fall for them...yet when it comes to bigfoot, he's as much a homer as your average truther.
Let's not be as bad as the left
July 22, 2009 - 20:59 ET by Brent Bakerand replace BDS with ODS. There is nothing to this whole birth certificate issue and ranting about it undermines the credibility of conservatives and makes us look as hateful, spiteful and paranoid as those we mocked and ridiculed for their irrational Bush Derangement Syndrome-inspired allegations.
Time to move on as Medved advised and stay on real policy issues.
Brent Baker is VP for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center.
Sorry Brent! But we also
July 22, 2009 - 21:01 ET by SvenSorry Brent!
But we also don't have this guys college transcripts or any of his other college activities!
Sorry, but this is an issue! I want to see this creeps birth certificate!
Mr. Baker, with all due respect...
July 22, 2009 - 21:23 ET by R D Helm"There is nothing to this whole birth certificate issue..."
Perhaps not, but to date, no one has actually seen positive proof to the contrary.
When I see an official long-form Hawaiian birth certificate with Obama's name squarely affixed thereto, I will be more than happy agree with you.
But not before.
-Dave
Just exactly who is this Barack Hussein Obama?
I thought there was nothing
July 22, 2009 - 21:27 ET by Free StinkerI thought there was nothing to this "Birth Certificate" issue until the Army Officer that was suing to have HMTS (Obama) show he is indeed CINC (and legally allowed to order our troops overseas . . .
Something smells . . .
Free, in 1961, anyone could get a cert. of live birth...
July 22, 2009 - 21:29 ET by R D Helm...no matter where they came from:
http://logisticsmons...
-Dave
Just exactly who is this Barack Hussein Obama?
What I really want to know
July 22, 2009 - 21:53 ET by Free StinkerWhat I really want to know is, that person who illegally "looked at" the Passport files of McCain, H.Clinton, and Obama . . .
what embarasing/harmful papers did they remove from Obama's file?
Update Part I: And why was this guy's deployment revoked?
Update part II: And why was he subsequently fired?
I would like to know too.
July 22, 2009 - 22:01 ET by superconIt's too bad he was murdered.
http://www.washingto...
A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from
the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church,
the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.
Probably just a coincidence.
Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.
OMO!
July 22, 2009 - 22:03 ET by Free StinkerOMO!
Chicago has arrived in Washington . . .
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
sc... Wow, that is the
July 22, 2009 - 22:08 ET by bigtimersc...
Wow, that is the first I heard of this, what is sad is that is over a year old.
Thank you for this info.
...and the plot thickens doesn't it?
Another case of Don't Ask...Don't Tell.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Of course you didn't know.
July 22, 2009 - 22:40 ET by superconIt's just a distraction.
Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.
Nice....
July 22, 2009 - 21:43 ET by RightsBelieverThanks for that link, dude; almost quoted what I said, report of birth abroad. The Poser in Chief...
Nobody says nothing better than Obama.
RB... PiC indeed....I
July 22, 2009 - 22:11 ET by bigtimerRB...
PiC indeed....I like that...a lot.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Or, O + O=
July 22, 2009 - 23:58 ET by NortoNOTHING(but trouble)!!!!
Yes, because hate, spite,
July 22, 2009 - 22:55 ET by ckc1227Yes, because hate, spite, Trutherism and paranoia really held the Dems back in 2006 and 2008. If only they'd been a little more balanced, and a little nicer, they might control congress and the white house today. Oh...wait.
Puhlease....I have 2 words for you...Al Freakin' Franken(that's for you, Joe).
I don't particularly care about the birth certificate issue, though I do wonder why someone would keep their long-form birth certificate needlessly under lock and key. I care about Medved volunteering to be a tool used to slam Republicans, which he constantly does on his show while claiming we need to be more moderate towards the other side. He does more harm to our side by doing that than the Birthers do.
And I find his hypocrisy laughable. He dismisses conspiracy theories, while embracing his own in regards to bigfoot.
ckc... I quit listening
July 22, 2009 - 22:59 ET by bigtimerckc...
I quit listening to anything Medved has to say about two years ago now I would guess...he disgusts me anymore.
He went the way of Smerconish.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Again Brent
July 23, 2009 - 20:50 ET by ahusserIf there is nothing to it why won't he show it. Show it and the controversy will go away. If he's not a citizen then it would mean that under the constitution he cannot be president period. But to the left the law is made to be bent and the Constitution is just guidelines or am I thinking of the pirate's code.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Guys, we lost this argument a long time ago...
July 22, 2009 - 20:34 ET by MightyMouth...can we move on please?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
→ I'm hip MM
July 22, 2009 - 20:44 ET by Cool ArrowEven if we did elect a Kenyan, America needs to be smart enough to realize this guy is poison even if he came from Mayfield, USA. (Beaver Cleaver's hometown)
Cool wouldn't it be "cool" if...
July 22, 2009 - 20:48 ET by MightyMouthBruce Almighty took over the TOTUS like he did here.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
→ You mean he didn't?
July 22, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Cool ArrowThat's exactly what I saw tonight in the Press Conference.
MM, I think the citizens
July 22, 2009 - 20:55 ET by Scuba DudeMM,
I think the citizens of the United States deserve to know exactly where Obama was born. That and a whole slew of other documents that other candidates and Presidents have released.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Yep
July 22, 2009 - 21:05 ET by general companyI sure would like to see what the leader of our Country has been up to. If he is so great, why is he hiding?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc, Indeed! And these
July 22, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Svengc,
Indeed!
And these people quoting Michael Medved to bolster their argument is bordering on lame!
This is a simple little request: SHOW US THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!
Now that's not so hard...at least if you were born in this country it isn't!
I totally agree dude..
July 22, 2009 - 21:14 ET by MightyMouth... but this has been relegated to "truther" status by the MSM. My point is, he is already Pres and I doubt the framers thought of this possibility. We have so much we can attack him on we don't need to waste our time on this! (IMHO).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Managing The News Cycle?
July 22, 2009 - 20:59 ET by Junk Science SkepticWell let's see, why would it possibly be necessary to dredge up a months old non-story used to paint republicans as nutjobs?
It wouldn't have anything to do with support for obamacare and his approval rating circling the bowl, would it?
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Well, why not?
July 22, 2009 - 21:11 ET by jaywlHow many people out there are like me and think this whole thing is ginned up by weirdos and kooks. After all, he released the, what was it? a birth record? It sounds so silly. But then, there is that little voice way back there, that says "Why don't they just release the "birth certificate" with names, and father and so forth. Why not?" I don't pay too much attention to that little voice, I mean I don't carry on conversations. But, why not release the records?
All those other claims went
July 22, 2009 - 21:14 ET by SnappyAll those other claims went away...why? Because they showed the necessary documents. Now, Brian.....If you could explain to me why the current POTUS will not release his birth certificate, school transcripts or health records I will stop doubting his legitamacy.
Snappy... Ditto! Doublin
July 22, 2009 - 21:18 ET by bigtimerSnappy...
Ditto!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Snappy, Exactly! Good
July 22, 2009 - 21:22 ET by SvenSnappy,
Exactly!
Good grief, we're speaking of this man being a US Citizen for crying out loud! For all of you who are "willing to take the high road" and let this legitimate question die, you are fools!
This lazy-ass attitude of, "hey, this isn't a big deal, we shouldn't worry about this birth certificate issue" is foolish at best, and dangerous at the very worst!
So let me ask you guys this, if you're willing to simply give this guy a pass on not showing us his real birth certificate, college transcripts and health records, what else will you give him a pass on?
Sorry, but this birth certificate issue is a foundational question to this guys legitimacy, and many here are saying, "Hey, it's no big deal."
If we continue with this attitude, we deserve exactly what we get!
Let there be no mistake, this will not gain traction!
July 22, 2009 - 21:27 ET by MightyMouthIt is a big deal we let slip through our fingers! No Mas! He will take himself down... we are seeing it already!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, Please forgive my
July 22, 2009 - 21:31 ET by SvenMM,
Please forgive my harsh tone. It's just that every day we wake up, this guy has some new way in which he's destroying our Republic!
Like you, I also hope we're seeing him "...take himself down..."
Cheers!
-Sven :-)
Sven, my friend, I feel that same pain...
July 22, 2009 - 21:42 ET by MightyMouth...but I also know that this man is headed towards a single term (like most dem presidents). In one way that fact makes me happy. But it also makes me sad because America must ride this out yet again!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM... My main problem
July 22, 2009 - 22:36 ET by bigtimerMM...
My main problem with this is if this man can get away with this now...like he is, what will happen in the future with others on down the road who are not legal citizens of this country that run for Prez...I feel if we ignore this, we are asking for huge troubles on down the road in the future with other upcoming candidates....and not just in the office of President.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yep....even Rush played a
July 22, 2009 - 21:32 ET by bigtimerYep....even Rush played a clip of Sylvia the other day.
People haven't seen this...of course intentionally.
It matters to me....a lot.
I've been disgusted with the repubs about this a very long time ago, when he was on the campaign trail...all we heard was silence, and others that did bring it up were told to be silent...heck we weren't even suppose to utter his middle name...now that he is, why it's A-OK.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt, I share your disgust with many of my fellow conservatives
July 22, 2009 - 21:58 ET by R D HelmObama is literally on the brink of being within a couple of congressional votes of shoving this nation over its Rubicon.
Many legitimate questions have been raised about this man's true origins. Better to find out now than two years hence, when unravelling it all could tie up our federal courts for decades, and cost us all billions in the process.
There is also the very real danger to our military personel, which many seem so willing to flippantly overlook.
If Obama is not a legit CIC, every order he has issued to this point is illegal. The ramifications from that could be disastrous for many of our soldiers.
-Dave
Just exactly who is this Barack Hussein Obama?
Dave... Right you
July 22, 2009 - 22:01 ET by bigtimerDave...
Right you are.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
"Sorry, but this birth
July 22, 2009 - 23:02 ET by ckc1227"Sorry, but this birth certificate issue is a foundational question to
this guys legitimacy, and many here are saying, "Hey, it's no big
deal."
Sadly though, there's not a chance in hell he would be removed even if it was proven that he is not a citizen. Of course, it would probably hurt him in 2012 if that happened, but until then, we're stuck with him.
Obama had the gov of
July 22, 2009 - 21:40 ET by Mr. MikeObama had the gov of Hawaii LOCK UP his birth docs. All of this happened as he "mourned" the passing of his grandmother.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. If the college records get unsealed it will show he applied as a foreign student from Indonesia. Then all holy hell breaks loose!
This ain't over. As he becomes less popular and seen for the sham artist he is more people will start to question his legitimacy.
When someone wants to "get"
July 22, 2009 - 21:44 ET by Free StinkerWhen someone wants to "get" a Republican, there are leaks all the time(Reagan, Bush-41, Bush-43), or people hacking into their private e-mail(Palin), etc.
WHEN WILL SOMEONE HAVE THE GUTS TO LEAK SOMETHING INCRIMINATING ABOUT OBAMA ?
That was rhetorical.
Guess that settles that, huh?
July 22, 2009 - 21:43 ET by Barker“the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper faxed us its birth announcements
from August 13, 1961, noting that a son was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack
Obama.”
I don't think the CYA concept is a new one.
Constitution Shmonstitution
July 22, 2009 - 21:45 ET by ThoreauPlace of Birth:
THE COAST PROVINCIAL GENERAL HOSPITAL, MOMBASSA, KENYA
Time of Birth:
7.24 PM on August 4th 1961
The birth certificate date above is the only one submitted in court for Barry Hussein Soetoro by Phillip Berg. And it was in long form.
If he has something better, I'd love to see it.
Finally
July 22, 2009 - 21:52 ET by hillbillyhatfieldI'm glad Newsbusters have finally decided to join us. A year and a half late, but am glad to have you join the party.
I have 2question for Brian,
"If he is a legal citizen, why fight over 2 dozen court cases where 5 minutes and $12 would clear it up?"
"If the certificate of live birth is legal, why hasn't B.O. not submitted it in any of the court cases?"
B.O. has wasted untold of my tax dollars wasted in the courts with these cases. And noone cares, or should I say everyone is scared. I applaud Rush and Dobbs for having balls to start the ball running. Untold number of emails did work. I am dishearted that newsbusters has taken so long, because this could have came out months ago if they ran a real story or 2 on this.
Thanks for running this.
Honolulu Advertiser newspaper birth announcement. I checked 3 weeks ago, and it is gone from there website. Funny how it was there for 48 years, and this is getting more attention and it dissapears.
Why the cover up?
July 22, 2009 - 21:49 ET by BarkerBecause it's too late to start calling him President Frank Marshall Davis, Jr., perhaps.
Barker... Bulls-Eye! Dou
July 22, 2009 - 21:55 ET by bigtimerBarker...
Bulls-Eye!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Are we still on this? He's
July 22, 2009 - 22:12 ET by balboaAre we still on this? He's an American. Move on.
Bal, on what evidence do you base your assertion?
July 22, 2009 - 22:15 ET by R D HelmFactcheck.com?
-Dave
Just exactly who is this Barack Hussein Obama?
He doesn't.
July 23, 2009 - 06:41 ET by bretzysdudeHe doesn't.
boa... Yep....some of us
July 22, 2009 - 22:20 ET by bigtimerboa...
Yep....some of us conservatives are and always have been.
Here is plenty to munch on.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Nothing to see here?
July 22, 2009 - 22:26 ET by BarkerBrent Baker and Balboa have seen the original birth certificate and can assure everyone that there is no real controversy.
Right, Mr. Baker?
Right, Bal?
That is the same attitude
July 23, 2009 - 09:58 ET by SnappyThat is the same attitude that will destroy this country as we know it. A lack of careing, just make sure I still get mine and I dont care. This same attitude pervades the global warming hysteria with the old "science is settled" the "debate is over". When clearly the science is not settled, and there has never been a debate. Likewise we have yet to see a birth certificate, school transcripts etc. So yes, "We are still on this". ---------Not all Americans are eligible to be President, unless you have something contructive to add please put your head back in the sand.
yep
July 23, 2009 - 16:07 ET by Kekela WardWe'll get off this topic as soon as you get off blaming Bush for everything.
(Actually, we won't until his citizenship is proved, but I can lie just as good as the libs).
Sam: "I hurt somebody's feelings once"
Bal, I'm fine with the
July 23, 2009 - 16:39 ET by CacciatoBal,
I'm fine with the continued shrieking from the right on this.
It just makes them look crazier and more desperate. No reasonable person could even begin to entertain this idea. If you missed the Daily Show last night I suggest you check out the replay this evening. John Stewart dominated the Birther Chuckleheads.
Birthers & Truthers - nothing but 2 brothers from a different mother.
Bal & Cac
July 27, 2009 - 11:42 ET by BarkerDo you Aborters click your heels before you put your heads back in the sand?
And while you're down there, ask your Truther sisters why Obama will not release any of his records, his birth certificate being chief among them.
Aborters and Truthers: all but twins of a misguided dead-beat dad.
Cacca doo doo
July 27, 2009 - 13:11 ET by Scuba DudeHis birth certificate is one of many documents that your Shahinshah is doing everything he can to prevent them from seeing the light of day.
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Columbia thesis
Harvard College records
Baptism certificate
Medical records
Illinois State Senate records
Illinois State Senate schedule
Law practice client list
There are others, but these are pertinent ones.
It is hard to say your saviour is the smartest president ever when we do not know what his grades are.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
I have had a Nevada
July 22, 2009 - 22:33 ET by 10thAmendmentI have had a Nevada Driver's License for 22 years - Next year when I renew it again I must show a certified birth certificate. I'm just sayin'.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
EVERYBODY AGREES about
July 22, 2009 - 22:38 ET by nadadhimmiEVERYBODY AGREES about Obama's citizenship?? Not his Grandma, she says she was at his birth in Kenya. This is like saying all scientists agree there is anthropogenic global warming. All except maybe those few thousand that signed those petitions. His school records will show he applied for and received aid as a forgein student and he also traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. His Harvard tuition was paid for by a Saudi national which is why he bowed the the Saudi King. Obama is a servant of and subservient to the King. He is an usurper. The msm refuses to investigate his citizenship although they were up McCain's ass with a microscope. The msm just blindly, without any credible evidence at all, say: " he IS TOO, a citizen, and if you doubt it, you are a kook, nutjob racist hater. This is not the end of the story however, people ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS. And it will build to a head.
Nadadhimmi
July 22, 2009 - 23:04 ET by BarkerWell said. There's a lot more than meets the eye, ear, nose, etc.
But watch out, there are those who are afraid that some imaginary "ODS" may not be covered in the Darn Tootin' He's An American President's health care plan.
Make candidates prove their eligibility
July 22, 2009 - 22:52 ET by nkviking75Putting aside the questions raised about Obama, I can't help but wonder why there is no law requiring presidential candidates to prove that they meet the Constitutional requirements for the office. Obama might defuse this controversy by calling for just such a law.
I'm more interested in thorough investigation into Obama's ties with ACORN and all the allegations of fraud surrounding the last election. It might not be enough to change the outcome, but it is still worth shining some light on the subject.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
To Hell with it! The "conservative" movement is dead
July 22, 2009 - 23:20 ET by R D HelmIt may as well put a bullet in its head and f'ing just die for all the good it is doing now.
We all sit here, quite literally on the brink of our nation's utter destruction, yet we are too f'ing chickensh*t to ask legitimate questions about the true origins of the POTUS that is just about to blow the Incas, the Mayans, and the Roman Empire right off the ash-heap of history with our own impact-all because we are afraid of what others may think of us for even raising the issue.
Now I know just how the tiny handful of the Roman citizens, whose mind's ranged far, felt in the last, sad days of the old republic, just before the Roman Empire began its long descent into the dregs of history.
We may as well just turn off the lights, lock the doors, and roll up the f'ing sidewalks.
The America we all grew up in is as dead as it can possibly be.
-Dave
Just exactly who is this Barack Hussein Obama?
Dang Dave...wished I didn't
July 22, 2009 - 23:21 ET by bigtimerDang Dave...wished I didn't feel the same way.
Heck, and I used to try to cheer you up all time with your pessimism...I fear this is exactly what is happening now.
How dare we care about any of this...remain mum.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I dont think so Dave
July 22, 2009 - 23:22 ET by general companyMaybe in you neck of the woods, but down here we are just getting warmed up.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc... My hope is the
July 22, 2009 - 23:27 ET by bigtimergc...
My hope is the conservatives lead the way this time, not the RINOs...the middle of the roaders, the oh we have to be so nice BS.
I am past tired of it all.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
My hope is the ideas
July 22, 2009 - 23:46 ET by general companyand principals take root, I dont want this to be about personalities. The rinos can ride along, they just need to keep their Dem light thoughts to themselves. I think if you want to represent the Conservitives/Constitution's then you should have to sign a promise to uphold these values or risk loosing your Party endorsment and funding. We just cant keep falling into the status trap every decade or so. Unfortunatly the Gov has stacked the deck, but it is pretty obvious to me that the people in this country are not buying it, least most of them.
BTW you are right about Obama's speech tonight, flipping through the "news" pages, he didnt help his cause at all. : ]
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
President Obama may be qualified to be President. The real
July 22, 2009 - 23:15 ET by Rush Fanquestion: Is Brian Williams and the rest of the state-run media qualified to be paid as and called journalist?
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“Yes. Next question,”
Michael Steele quipped when asked by if the president’s plan represents
socialism today during a Q-and-A session following a speech on health
care at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.
Developing.......
July 22, 2009 - 23:26 ET by BarkerAnd there are unverified reports that Brian Williams is actually the half-sister of Barack Whatshisname Obama.
Barker - I thought Anderson Cooper was the half-sister of
July 23, 2009 - 00:11 ET by Rush FanPresident Obama. Then again, I may be wrong. She (Cooper) may be the half-sister of someone else. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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"Although there are some positive provisions in the current House Tri-Committee bill – including insurance for all and payment reform demonstration projects – the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite." ~ Mayo Clinic
I don't know where Lion
July 22, 2009 - 23:30 ET by bigtimerI don't know where Lion King is, but he would love this blog post/thread.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Brian Williams has left the
July 23, 2009 - 00:10 ET by fitzfongBrian Williams has left the realm of advocacy and gone straight into bullying propaganda. What proof does this empty suit have that the allegations are "lies"?
But Pete Williams does an exceptional job of covering up the issue in Mark Geragos-style double talk and misdirection. First, he asserts that a consensus of "legal scholars" from the left and right (translation: straw men) are in "widespread agreement that Barack Obama is fully qualified"...as if that constitutes evidence, let alone proof. Then he states that the community organizer's campaign released his birth certificate, completely misleading the audience in hopes that they believe the campaign released it publicly. And then we're supposed to take the word of a couple of State hacks claiming not to be permitted to release the document publicly but claiming that they've verified it...as if their self-interested say-so amounts to proof and ends all discussion.
And the cherry on top? They bring in a RINO loser talk show host to scold conservatives for being skeptical. Jeff Immelt has got his got a tight little Stalinist operation going now, doesn't he?
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Don't play into their game.
July 23, 2009 - 00:40 ET by JWFRepublicans are finally scoring some points of Obama and the Democrats. His cap & trade is in peril. His socialised medicine is in peril. People are finally seeing the stimulus for what it was, a big thank you to the Democrat base and had very little to do with stimulating the economy.
NBC does not care the slightest about this issue. They want Republicans distracted with infighting about this issue.
They want us distracted. Obama and his minions at the MSM are very good at this game. Don't play into it.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I realize what the enemy
July 23, 2009 - 00:45 ET by bigtimerI realize what the enemy within is doing...but you can walk and chew gum at the same time, something the left doesn't realize...yet.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Look at what they are actually saying.
July 23, 2009 - 00:54 ET by JWFWhat is newsworthy here. What has happened that makes this newsworthy. What action has happened lately.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: ...A lot of us live with this issue; we get e-mails, we get asked about it.
Hey, I get emails too. It is called spam. I have yet to see someone mention it on the primetime news.
Sounds like a personal problem Brian.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Hang on Bigtimer.
July 23, 2009 - 01:44 ET by JWFIt is not us. We never forgot this issue in the first place.
It is the 53% that drank the Koolaid and voted for Obama in the first place.
The blinders are starting to fall off and they are starting to realize they got something they did not bargain for. Obama needs to get them distracted.
Hell, we don't even watch NBC.
Get the Obama voters up in arms over the evil rightwing conspirators and not thinking about paying for this monstrosity of a bill that is nationalised healthcare.
And no, they can not walk and chew gum at the same time.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Last time I promise.
July 23, 2009 - 02:09 ET by JWFWe don't want socialised medice but we are in the minority. There are only 46% of us that voted against Obama. We are pushing hard.
The hard left, freeloaders all, want socialised medicine. They are in the minority.
The squishy middle, koolaid drinkers, need to be rallied behind Obama again. And what do you do when you rally behind someone? Give him what he wants.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Good, this issue has
July 23, 2009 - 00:48 ET by RR GOPGood, this issue has finally come to the forefront. About time there was a major distraction against the Dems rather than working for them to sneak garbage past the sheeple.
This timed with the stumbling of the Obama gang is delicious. :-)
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Reply to Why the Cover Up?
July 23, 2009 - 01:13 ET by JudithYes, yes, yes. My theory from the beginning. Put the pics side by side and Davis and Obongo look like twins. This is some of the cover up as even dumbed down Americans won't vote for the son of a communist. Great minds run on the same trolley tracks or some such.
There is the distraction.
July 23, 2009 - 01:36 ET by JWFPeople are angry about the socialised medicine bill being pushed. They are squeezing their Congressman hard. Every time a Congressman gets up to talk in front of his constituents, they are getting squeezed on this issue.
So the order has been put out to Obamavision NBC. Get them talking about something else, anything else.
The birth certificate issue is an issue for the courts. There is no progress here. Ask Obama about it, he says he already produced it. So we have to wait until something comes out of the courtroom. We can talk and talk and talk and it will go nowhere.
But while we are talking, they can get the nationalised healthcare pushed through. They need to get this pushed through now. They later they push it throught, the closer to an election, and the more it will be on peoples minds come election day. So the socialised medicine has to go through now.
And yes, Obama is fighting this in the courts because something on that birth certificate does not square up with his autobiography he has published in 2 books.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Brian Williams Breaks Down with Walter Cronkite Moment (Opinion)
July 23, 2009 - 02:47 ET by GPSI never saw Williams editorialize during his broadcast before. He seemed to have lost his cool. Not as big of course as Cronkite commenting on the Vietnam War. But still. I thought Williams was better than this. Didn't he just win a WC Award? I've lost some respect for him by his failure to be impartial. Who does he think he is!? Keith Olbermann?
P.S. Did anyone else notice how NBC left out the subtitles for the video? (CNN included them.)
The conspiracy is at the news desk.
July 23, 2009 - 02:54 ET by wolfemanicGod forbid the guy with the launch codes has to prove he is an absolute US citizen...or even natural born.
But do not listen to any media Barry leg humpers OPINIONS on this subject. Do your own homework.
In the beginning I thought this was just bs, over the top, leave the guy alone on this one.
Then I went looking myself, and for
well over a year I have done my own fact finding on everything I can
regarding his citizenship, the claim to be born in Hawaii, and the definition of natural born.
I
have come to one conclusion.... unless he produces more evidence, and
no matter how you dice the facts and supporting documentation Barry has "graced" us with....Barry
IS a Usurper, and he knows it better than anyone.
HE does not care, your a pushover, along with the Constitution.
Try and remove him regardless. Never happen, the courts and especially those who are guardians of the Constitution are spineless and pathetic cowards.
To date no court has been willing to even hear the citizenship argument. They avoid it like the plague, its Pandora's box.
We will see where this one goes, not holding my breath..
The judge said as a former Marine he recognizes the importance of having a constitutionally qualified president.
Eligibility arguments to get court hearing
'For 1st time, we have a judge who's listening'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103918
Hilarious
July 23, 2009 - 07:02 ET by CacciatoThe Birther movement is the funniest example of Obama Hate around. Talk about sad AND desperate.
So silly.
If you believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii you are automatically on the fringe of rational thought.
Factcheck.org put this myth to bed a long time ago.
LINK
Even if you think is Birth Certificate is fake, the birth announcement in the newspaper clearly isn't. So what say you to that?
If you are a birther, then I have a bridge to sell you. PM me for details.
So Obama's grandmother in
July 23, 2009 - 07:20 ET by Mr. MikeSo Obama's grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya are all on the fringe? They think he was born in Kenya. Hell, his grandmother states SHE WAS THERE.
Ok, You're Right
July 23, 2009 - 07:30 ET by CacciatoOk, You're Right Mike.
The Hawaii Newspaper that published his birth announcement probably only did so because they knew that he would run for President one day and he would need to be able to claim he was born in America.
Their foresight was incredible.
Sorry, but I'll take a birth certificate & a birth announcement over an old Kenyan any day.
You really will believe anything. Did you PM me about that bridge yet?
→ Cacciato
July 23, 2009 - 11:53 ET by Cool ArrowYou have a point.
Now tell us all about President Dewey.
The Hawaii Newspaper...
July 23, 2009 - 12:20 ET by SickofLibsAll that the two birth announcement say is that Mr. & Mrs. O had a son. It exists only on microfilm, easily forged and placed in the two libraries.
Not a single person who lived in the neighborhood remembers any baby coming home... Mr. & Mrs. O were carefree proto-hippies/beatniks and surely would have left the baby unattended in the front yard on a bamboo mat for hours on end.
To this day, Obama can scale a banana tree in under a minute, a skill learned early by most Kenyan children.
I have provided solid and concise evidence - hopefully you will now accept the truth.
SoL,The microfilm was
July 23, 2009 - 16:42 ET by CacciatoSoL,
The microfilm was forged and placed in libraries? Coo-Coo!
I bet you also believe Obama was the second gun man on the grassy knoll!
Evidence? Ha.
Whoa. Keep talking. You only help the left.
Hahahaha...Caccoato your
July 23, 2009 - 11:46 ET by wolfemanicHahahaha...Caccoato your using factcheck (fakecheck) to verify if his BC is legitimate?...LOL
William Ayers and Barack Obama both served as co-chairs of the Chicago
Annenburg Challenge. Obama called for the $3.5 million dollar earmark
from the Annenburg Foundation that sponsors FactCheck.org.
Cacciato your a sucker.
http://www.wnd.com/i...
Ccc, I found this video clip just for you..
July 23, 2009 - 15:14 ET by upcountrywaterThis grandma knew where he was born
Any questions at all?
No worries 0bama is untouchable
Reagan VS Liberalism
Up, I believe you mean
July 23, 2009 - 19:28 ET by CacciatoUp,
I believe you mean STEP-grandmother.
Either way all of you Birthers have lost all credibility. You are insane and very sad to watch.
Ccc, I wasn't linking video about
July 23, 2009 - 20:29 ET by upcountrywaterher
One more time where's the birth certificate?
here is another video link
So what; Name caller, I'm a global warming denier too.
Reagan VS Liberalism
→ ChewCaCa
July 23, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Cool ArrowDoes that mean you're leaving?
Or does it mean you enjoy sadness. Now that would be insane.
Don't know much about
July 23, 2009 - 09:20 ET by HockeyKidDon't know much about newspapers, do ya cacciato? "Home town news" items are published as submitted. The paper does nothing but print the announcement. And they're frequently submitted on behalf of absent members of the local community. When I was in the military, our public affairs office sent these sorts of blurbs to our hometown papers all the time. Promotions, awards, births, etc., were the typical fare. To read the blurb in the paper, you'd think the person was actually IN the town, not just from there.
So much for your proof positive.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
It's the cover-up!!
July 23, 2009 - 09:24 ET by slickwillie2001We will just end up down a dozen ratholes if we let liberals and trolls drown us in the legal details of this. There are genuine complex Constitutional issues here and there are many angles to the story.
That's why it's more productive to focus on the cover-up. Why doesn't the Bamster simply show the long form BC and end this controversy? Why is he spending $750,000 to a million dollars of his personal finances to fight all the court cases on this, around 18 of them? The ONLY conclusion to come to is that he is hiding something.
Slick:
July 23, 2009 - 12:26 ET by SickofLibsHey, I know a certain Foxy Lady who also had to deal with 18 court cases... most of which have already been dismissed.
obama is NOT a citizen.
July 23, 2009 - 11:43 ET by jessieHobama is NOT a citizen. Why are his records sealed? What is he hiding? No hack from the MSM will convince me otherwise. Prove to the people, once & for all, that he is a citizen, by releasing his records.
Records sealed by law
July 23, 2009 - 18:06 ET by sevenOn his first day in office he signed an executive order sealing all his junk. See my link below h/t Debbie schussel
Executive priviledge
Brian Whatson?
July 23, 2009 - 15:43 ET by AtomandYves"Similar questions have dogged other presidential candidates."
That one statement would cause an unbiased/truly talented 'journalist' to take the Ocifer BC question seriously. You've shown your true colors, and they're NOT Red, White and Blue.
In charge of lies
July 23, 2009 - 18:03 ET by sevenAtlas shruggs has the items on his forged birth document
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
Here is the executive order signed by the Lyin King
It takes any and all documents as property of his own and covered by "Executive priviledge"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderPresidentialRecords/
On another site is a copy of his forged and fake selective service registration
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
Enjoy 3 renditions of the Great Lyin King.
Lets Move On.
July 23, 2009 - 18:03 ET by David N MOYes, let's do! It's their own fault this is even an issue. Instead of putting copies on the net they hid them. Even his school recoreds. Did he really sign up for grants or loans at the universities as a foreign national?
So, for the sake of transparency and accountability let them put it all on the table and we'll either bless him or... not.
David
Save me from the Good People!
hide the records
July 23, 2009 - 18:17 ET by sevenThe records contain information that contradicts his books.
Why the Coverup?
July 23, 2009 - 18:37 ET by slickwillie2001It would be unfortunate if this was simply about some embarrassing information on this birth record. Perhaps Frank is his real father, perhaps under father it says unknown, or something like that. But if it was that trivial, they could develop some kind of legal process to dispose of the 18 or so court cases without releasing the document to the public, like a session in the judge's chamber, etc. Or, he could show the document to a few responsible and trustworthy Republicans who would vouch for the relevant material thereon.
But that's not what he is doing, he is spending a small fortune to fight out every one of these cases as far as he can. He could very easily lose one of these cases and throw us into a Constitutional crisis. The question is why, when disposing of this whole controversy should be so easy. Why the coverup is the question.
Contradictions?
August 4, 2009 - 20:42 ET by David N MOHe daily contradicts himself. He tells muslims one thing, Christians another and Jews... well, he doesn't talk to Jews.
He has so many faces even his wife doesn't know which one to slap. Some say that simply makes him a "good" politician.
I say he's a lying socialist and is attempting to change the country through deceipt and confusion.
There. i've said my piece.
Lou Dobbs Thursday
July 23, 2009 - 18:58 ET by slickwillie2001Lou Dobbs spending a whole segment on the Bamster's birth certificate tonight, looks like it will run about 15 minutes. Roland Martin on as well, getting extremely agitated. Lou had to calm him down a couple times. A Congressman Bill Posey (?) is also on, he wants a law passed to require eligibility to be addressed before any names go on ballots.
slick... Just watched it
July 23, 2009 - 19:10 ET by bigtimerslick...
Just watched it all....it's Ted Poe that is the congressman, another one of my favs over the years and he is basically saying what I did last night somewhere above in response to MM about this being made law for the future, Martin was absolutely, rude, out of control, talk over everyone, so typical.
...should be a link for others to watch soon.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Et tu BT?
July 23, 2009 - 19:30 ET by CacciatoBT,
You're a Birther? Really?
I thought you would be above this madness.
That's a real shame. It's unfortunate that your belief in this bizarre conspiracy will taint all of you past and future posts.
Ah well. All that hard work at Newsbusters down the drain over an insane issue.
→ Yeah, real madness
July 23, 2009 - 19:36 ET by Cool ArrowTotal folly that Americans think they have the right to require basic legal requirements be met.
A police officer can ask for your ID, but far be it from Americans to require same from their President.
That doesn't make me a birther.
Cool, You're a Birther
July 24, 2009 - 06:58 ET by CacciatoCool,
You're a Birther and, as a result, lack all credibility. That's great!
Obama's released everything he's needed to. For him to do so now in response to some tin foil hat wearing nut cases would merely lend creedence to their absurd and deranged shrieking.
Cac... Grab your kleenex
July 23, 2009 - 19:37 ET by bigtimerCac...
Grab your kleenex and cry me a river.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT, Cry about what? I'm
July 24, 2009 - 06:59 ET by CacciatoBT,
Cry about what? I'm not sad that you are a Birther.
I knew you were on the fringe all along. It's not news to me.
Cacciato, You're an Obama Aborter
July 27, 2009 - 10:58 ET by BarkerI know you Aborters would love to kill this whole controversy, but it is alive and well. With legs even.
Fact: Obama has not released his birth certificate.
Question: Why?
Now which one of you Aborters want to try again to slay that reality.
Where's the Liddy Interview?
July 23, 2009 - 19:32 ET by samharmonI was extremely disappointed when I clicked onto newsbusters.org tonight and couldn't find Chris Matthews' dissection of G. Gordon Liddy on "Hardball" anywhere. Liddy was made to look feeble and ridiculous when he tried to defend the irrational position that the President of the United States is an illegal alien. Liddy, an ex-felon, looked like a doddering fool. (Did Rush Limbaugh slip him some of his meds before the show or something?)
Check out the clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEskpqN9y4. Admittedly I couldn't even watch the last two minutes or so because it was so brutal. It's the only time in my life I've felt bad for G. Gordon Liddy.
sh... Liddy was a
July 23, 2009 - 19:55 ET by bigtimersh...
Liddy was a gentleman and made his points.
What hospital....Matthews could not answer that...now could he?
I love how a few of you trolls are all over here today about this.
I'm just hearing Shuster and his BS right now regarding this...this seems to be coming out more and more...and good for Liz Cheney, what I got to hear of it with Carville.
This is not going away.
Btw...Shuster is still going on and on about Liz Cheney....ooh, they are starting to fear her on the left!
Made my day...
Plus he doesn't understand why she hasn't agreed to come on his show...he really is stuck on stupid.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The Kinks
July 23, 2009 - 20:06 ET by samharmonMy birth certificate from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania from 1971 does not list a hosptial either, merely a county. Same goes for the birth certificates of both of my brothers who were both born in PA in the 1970s.
My mother was born in Washington, D.C. in the 1950s and at the tippy-top of the document is it's title. It's called a "Certificate of Live Birth", just like President Obama's.
This is the problem with the crazies on both sides. Even if authentic documentation is produced, they don't believe it. Ray Davies had it right: "Paranoia the destroyer...!"
Mine from 63
July 23, 2009 - 20:17 ET by general companyIn Indiana, has a Hosptial on it, also called a "Certificate of Live Birth". What does it look like compaired to others born at the same facility? But by now, who would know anyway?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Good point general company...
July 23, 2009 - 20:29 ET by samharmon...about the looks of various birth certificates from several decades ago. My dad was born in Pennsylvania the same year my mother was born in D.C., and their "Certificates of Live Birth" look nothing alike.
In fact, when my father tried to apply for his first-ever passport earlier this year he was informed his old birth certificate wasn't acceptable. It needed to have a "raised seal," so he had to get a new 5" x 7" birth certificate from the federal building in the city where he lives.
All of the discussion about President Obama's birth certificate not looking right is just preposterous.
Obviously regreting the
July 23, 2009 - 20:11 ET by general companyPlus he doesn't understand why she hasn't agreed to come on his show...he really is stuck on stupid.
Invitation they gave to Liz. I am with you BT, she is a plum
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
BT< Liddy is an utter joke
July 24, 2009 - 06:54 ET by CacciatoBT<
Liddy is an utter joke and I find it hilarious that he's all of the sudden become a credible source.
Liddy claims that Obama is an illegal alien based on a 'sworn statement' by Obama's so-called stepgrandmother.
Ok, ok so let's say that we find her more credible than pictures of Obama's birth certificate, factcheck.org, the Hawaii governor, the Hawaii director of health, etc. etc. etc.
Ok, let's say that you actually are going to elevate her above everyone to make an outrageous claim ala Liddy.
Fair enough.
Too bad his ONLY evidence is based on a WRONG tranlsation! Ha. You Birthers are sooooo desperate.
LIDDY's CLAIM:
"You've got a deposition, which is a sworn statement, from the step-grandmother, who says, 'I was present and saw him born in Mombasa, Kenya.'"
REALITY:
What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama's grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president's biological grandmother, but he calls her "Granny Sarah.")
In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)
LINK
So Liddy is full of garbage. Debunked thoroughly. Now what?
What's the next angle for you tin foil hat wearing nuts?
The Birther movement (much like the Palin worship) is just another sign of the right moving closer to the fringe.
I saw Mr. Tingles' exchange
July 23, 2009 - 19:49 ET by ParalegalGoddessI saw Mr. Tingles' exchange with the Congressman from California on Spitball with Chrissy and after my blood pressure lowered to a respectable level, I saw the "birth certificate" produced by Mr. Tingles and I have to say... I was born in 1972 and my birth certificate looks NOTHING like the one flailing around in Chrissy's hands. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there weren't any computers and laser printers in 1961.
And I'll quit bitching about his birth certificate when the lunatic fringe of the left wing party stops saying 9/11 was an inside job.
12 Steps
July 23, 2009 - 20:19 ET by samharmon"...I'll quit bitching about his birth certificate when the lunatic fringe of the left wing party stops saying 9/11 was an inside job."
So Goddess, is it fair to infer from what you wrote that some of your thoughts and opinions are of a right-wing "lunatic fringe?" That's cool I guess. Admitting your looniness is the first part of rehabilitation.
Now skip right to Step 12, have your spiritual awakening, and come enjoy a gelato with the rest of us who shake our heads and smile warily at the loonies on the fringes.
Video Now
July 23, 2009 - 20:04 ET by slickwillie2001Re Lou Dobbs, 7/23/09; Video is now up on Youtube, 9:12:
Dobbs Tells Roland Martin to Pipe Down During Obama Birth Debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvYcFgXCJrE
sw... Thanks...save me
July 23, 2009 - 20:06 ET by bigtimersw...
Thanks...save me some time. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
→ Pope Joan
July 23, 2009 - 20:30 ET by Cool ArrowIn his book, Vicars of Christ, Peter de Rosa claims the new pope is inspected for the right genitalia before assuming the throne.
I'm just sayin'
More on Dobbs
July 24, 2009 - 08:59 ET by slickwillie2001The fact that Lou Dobbs dared to report on this controversy has the liberals all twisted in knots this week:
Lou Dobbs Embraces the Birthers: http://www.salon.com
Lou Dobbs and the Canard over President Obama's Birth: http://www.latimes.com
Lots of hot air and insults there, but none ask the simple question, -why doesn't he show the BC and end all of this? Why is he spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep it under wraps?