Thursday's NBC Nightly News featured Andrea Mitchell chastising and correcting former Vice President Dick Cheney for his speech on fighting terrorism, but the network saw no need to correct anything asserted by President Obama in his address on the same topic while anchor Brian Williams asked if Republicans are “happy” to have Cheney as “their messenger?”
CBS delivered contrasting conclusions in their two stories: With Obama, stressing his rebuke of his critics; with Cheney, emphasizing his unpopularity. Chip Reid ended his report on Obama by relaying Obama's charge that “opponents of closing Guantanamo Bay are using the politics of fear,” but, moments later, Bill Plante concluded his look at former VP Cheney's address on fighting terrorism by highlighting “Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party.” The two conclusions on the May 21 CBS Evening News:
Chip Reid: “The President said opponents of closing Guantanamo Bay are using the politics of fear and he promised it will be closed.”Bill Plante: “The former Vice President has made it clear that he intends to continue speaking out, ignoring Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party.”
On the NBC Nightly News, Williams set up Andrea Mitchell to recount Cheney's supposed hypocrisy and errors before he raised Cheney's detractors:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Andrea, you and I spoke earlier today. You concentrated on the Vice President's speech and, specifically, I heard you say some patterns in the way he delivered it.MITCHELL: Well, for one thing, the Vice President cast himself as the chief defender of the CIA, which is an irony because all during the Bush years, he was a great attacker inside fighting all the time with the CIA. He did say that water-boarding was only used as a last choice when there was no other alternative. That was not the case with Abu Zubayda. He was water-boarded 83 times, producing no actionable intelligence. He did manage, though, to elevate himself into the chief sparring partner with the President of the United States. That's quite a political achievement. And as Chuck [Todd] was pointing out, the President failed to put out this firestorm [on closing Guantanamo] because his allies on the Hill still say he has not given them the details that they want.
WILLIAMS: And to David Gregory. David, it was clear today, we heard from the President, we're going to hear these talking points over and over. The mistake isn't closing it, it was opening it in the first place, we're cleaning up a mess here. But on the other side, do the Republicans think they have found an issue, and is everybody happy with their messenger here?
DAVID GREGORY: Not everybody's happy with the messenger, but it is interesting. A lot of Republicans I spoke to today said there was a rallying cry from Dick Cheney, a message to conservatives and to Republicans. This is the issue that we can win politically and we can win substantively, that this administration doesn't have its head on right with regard to the national security of the country. There's also legacy building here, and Dick Cheney is the one at the moment, not former President Bush, to begin the argument. And that is there was not a follow-on attack after 9/11 on the United States. That's where the Bush/Cheney team would like the legacy to be built.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





















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Cleaning up a mess
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 20:50 ET by KC MulvilleSo sorry! The terrorists disn't leave us with any easy options, and that must be our own fault, right? If only the terrorists had used some hate speech or something, that would have made it all clear, but they kept their mouth shut, dang it all ...
What a load of crap! It's unbelievably cynical to just wave all the terrorists and the terror-fighters together and call it a "mess." As if the people who were trying to defend their country were equally part of "the mess."
Two speeches, one analysis. That's because the media doesn't analyze Obama's speeches; they only praise Obama. Obama's speeches are to be taken verbatim, as absolute truth.
Please tell...
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 20:56 ET by wnaegeleWhy does anyone pay the least bit of attention to these blow-drys?
Cheney
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 20:58 ET by ForbusWe're one terrorist attack away from Obama looking like an empty suit and Cheney like Jeremiah the Prophet.
They don't really need to
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 09:16 ET by sherylsimsThey don't really need to attack now. The are watching us self-destruct. Probably with much pleasure.
I expect nothing less from
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 21:03 ET by bigtimerI expect nothing less from these leftist empty-suits...after-all they are going to protect the POS they put in office...come hell or high-water.
Agenda Fulfillment Syndrome.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Who fears Cheney...?
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 21:26 ET by superconI love that guy.
Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.
Amazing that they have the
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 05:53 ET by motherbeltAmazing that they have the chutzpah to say:
ignoring Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming
from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party.”
Haven't they heard? Surveys say that Americans like Cheney better since he has been speaking out!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Put Cheney and Obama side by
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:38 ET by Tom PainePut Cheney and Obama side by side. Now, which of them do you trust to keep this country safe? I want the tough old SOB that the terrorists are afraid of.
......while anchor Brian
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 21:30 ET by MidAmerica......while anchor Brian Williams asked if Republicans are “happy” to have Cheney as “their messenger?”
Happy? Heck all mighty yes. We'll be thilled to have any real Republican with a spine and a voice.
Obama has gone into the Hot Air Balloon phase of his Presidency. If it wasn't for the constant release of hot-air from the MSM to keep him aloft he would already be on the ground folding up his deflated dreams.
If Cheney got them this
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 21:32 ET by d1carterIf Cheney got them this worked up, what are they going to do when BO's fairy tale bubble burst.
...ignoring Republicans who
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 21:56 ET by Chris Norman...ignoring Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party.
Just who are these "Republicans" Plante cites - Colin Powell? Chuck Hagel? Or are "they" just nebulous fictitious sources that Plante has dreamed up so he could say something negative?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris,
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:17 ET by R D HelmI am beginning to doubt these "republicans" actually exist.
I think they are a lefty media creation.
-Dave
Spooky Doubling down on
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:21 ET by bigtimerSpooky
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Speech Score
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:05 ET by svh83Cheney 2
Obama 0
If you know what I mean.
"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY
The Score is...
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 00:36 ET by talkradio55Cheney 2
Obama -2
Obama-3 Cheney-2 And
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 00:53 ET by JerObama-3
Cheney-2
And down the stretch they come!
Jer
I am not seeing teh funny Uncle Jer.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 04:39 ET by JWFFrom Powelineblog -
For Barack Obama to repeat the canard that the Bush administration shredded the Constitution, operated outside the law, etc., is false and dishonorable. It is also damaging to our country. Barack Obama is slandering his own government--his own nation, really--for political advantage. This is one more in a growing list of contemptible actions by our new President.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/05/023616.php
Where is teh funny in false, dishonorable, damaging, slandering and contemptible? Not seeing it at all.
Now, let's here from Dick Cheney.
Maybe you’ve heard that when we captured KSM, he said he would talk as soon as he got to New York City and saw his lawyer. But like many critics of interrogations, he clearly misunderstood the business at hand. American personnel were not there to commence an elaborate legal proceeding, but to extract information from him before al-Qaeda could strike again and kill more of our people.
In public discussion of these matters, there has been a strange and sometimes willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib prison with the top secret program of enhanced interrogations. At Abu Ghraib, a few sadistic prison guards abused inmates in violation of American law, military regulations, and simple decency. For the harm they did, to Iraqi prisoners and to America’s cause, they deserved and received Army justice. And it takes a deeply unfair cast of mind to equate the disgraces of Abu Ghraib with the lawful, skillful, and entirely honorable work of CIA personnel trained to deal with a few malevolent men.
Those personnel were carefully chosen from within the CIA, and were specially prepared to apply techniques within the boundaries of their training and the limits of the law. Torture was never permitted, and the methods were given careful legal review before they were approved. Interrogators had authoritative guidance on the line between toughness and torture, and they knew to stay on the right side of it.
Even before the interrogation program began, and throughout its operation, it was closely reviewed to ensure that every method used was in full compliance with the Constitution, statutes, and treaty obligations. On numerous occasions, leading members of Congress, including the current speaker of the House, were briefed on the program and on the methods.
Yet for all these exacting efforts to do a hard and necessary job and to do it right, we hear from some quarters nothing but feigned outrage based on a false narrative. In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.
I might add that people who consistently distort the truth in this way are in no position to lecture anyone about “values.” Intelligence officers of the United States were not trying to rough up some terrorists simply to avenge the dead of 9/11. We know the difference in this country between justice and vengeance. Intelligence officers were not trying to get terrorists to confess to past killings; they were trying to prevent future killings. From the beginning of the program, there was only one focused and all-important purpose. We sought, and we in fact obtained, specific information on terrorist plans.
Those are the basic facts on enhanced interrogations. And to call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims. What’s more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and would make the American people less safe.
The administration seems to pride itself on searching for some kind of middle ground in policies addressing terrorism. They may take comfort in hearing disagreement from opposite ends of the spectrum. If liberals are unhappy about some decisions, and conservatives are unhappy about other decisions, then it may seem to them that the President is on the path of sensible compromise. But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed. You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States, you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist out of the United States. Triangulation is a political strategy, not a national security strategy. When just a single clue that goes unlearned … one lead that goes unpursued … can bring on catastrophe – it’s no time for splitting differences. There is never a good time to compromise when the lives and safety of the American people are in the balance.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/text_of_cheneys_aei_speech.asp
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Don't read too much into
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 05:48 ET by JerDon't read too much into it, JWF...
As you know, I side more with Bush/Cheney from a policy perspective. That said, I think Cheney has more than made his point, and it's time to tone down the rhetoric.
Jer
Are you referring to you and I toning it down?
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 07:09 ET by JWFOr are you referring to Cheney? Because if you are referring to Cheney, I will disagree 100%. I watched his speech last night. How do you tone down correct?
Did you see the powerline entry? false and dishonorable. I am thinking about another liberal lies forum -
Liberal Lies - Obama Truth - Cheney
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Nonsense. Cheney is right
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 13:32 ET by NL207Nonsense. Cheney is right about this.
Obama is clearly wrong on terror, foreign policy and national security policy. More than this, he is either a complete incompetent, a flagrant liar, or both. The fact that he has already reveresed himself several times on this topics suggests the former. The sooner he is called on his diplomatic bungling, the better.
On a related issue, I observe with amusement Obama's incompetent handling of foreign relationships with our allies in Europe. He is viewed with scorn amongst the leadership of Europe. During the final year of the Bush administration, we heard endless news stories about how Bush had mismanaged these relationships and how the leading Demiocrats would do so much to repair these relationships. Obama has demonstrated himself to be a class 'A' fool in this arena. He has even managed to offend the British. His Klingon wife manhandles the Queen. He returns a gift from the British government to the United States, a slap across the face. Even little kids know enough not to return gifts. This inept clod has no manners.
NL...I can't win.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 18:29 ET by JerLet's see...
I state [yet again] my agreement with Bush/Cheney in this policy area, i.e. enhanced interrorgation, Guantanamo, etc. and your response is "Nonsense. Cheney is right..." Apparently you are one who refuses to accept "yes" for an answer.
Regarding your "related issue", I have just been advised by ThisnThat raising related issues constitutes thread derailment. So, until I'm advised otherwise, I'll refrain from encouraging it.
Jer
Mitt Romney is not seeing teh funny.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 05:31 ET by JWFIt is laughable to suggest that Guantanamo is a meaningful aid in terrorist recruiting. Before Guantanamo came the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the bombing at Riyadh, the attacks on Khobar, the bombing of our embassies, the Cole. There will always be rallying cries for recruitment whether it is the existence of Israel or the freedoms enjoyed by Americans. Appeasement has not ever, does not now, and will never satisfy a foe who looks to destroy freedom and rule the world.
Vice President Cheney has been the target of every media, from mainstream to comic. But he spoke today as before without regard to the politics but with abiding respect for the truth. Barack Obama is still hanging on to the campaign trail. He said that the last thing he thinks about when he goes to sleep at night is keeping America safe. That's a big difference with Vice President Cheney—when it came to protecting Americans, he never went to sleep.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODEzZDFmZjE0ZWU5ZDY4NDQ2MjI5NGZmZjhkYTUyMjY=
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Charles Krauthammer is not finding it funny.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:02 ET by JWFOf course, Obama will never admit in word what he's doing in deed. As in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech yesterday claiming to have undone Bush's moral travesties, the military commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step: (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/21/AR2009052103680.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Frankly, I am sick to death of (a) excoriate the Bush policy, Obama has now drawn it up to a high art.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
A review of the transcripts
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:18 ET by JerA review of the transcripts of both Obama's and Cheney's speeches yesterday unmistakably reveals that--even if one is more sympathetic to the latter's position--Cheney engaged in a level of "excoriation" far exceeding that of Obama. Cheney is highly intelligent, unquestionably articulate and is not given to shrill rhetoric, but just reading his words without having listened to the delivery suggests a stridency rarely encountered from a former vice-president who has only been out of office four months.
Jer
Maybe I missed something.
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 01:30 ET by JWFI quoted powerlineblog. false and dishonest. The falseness and dishonesty in Obama's speech was mostly from his statements about the Bush Administration.
I tend to get into teh excoriating mood when peoples lie about me. Can't fault the former VP at all. Sorry.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
VDH does not find it teh least bit funny.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:14 ET by JWFThis is my first war looking in from the outside. I have been outraged that it was politicized. It eats at me every day.
Seven years of safety at home bred the assurance of perpetual safety from another 9/11-like attack. The 4,000 killed in Iraq created “my perfect three-week war was ruined by your five year screw-up.” Two presidential elections meant every item of the war on terror became politicized. All that and more have led to a new narrative: There was never any real threat. Bush whipped up fear. Democrats were misled. Liberal hawks were duped. We, not a Khalid Sheik Mohammed, were the real problem. Guantanamo was a Stalag. And so on.
But the problem with constantly metamorphosizing to keep ahead of the hourly curve is that one never quite catches up. Barack Obama variously has trashed the Patriot Act, wiretaps, email intercepts, renditions and military tribunals. He promised all troops gone from Iraq by March 2008. And he said our Predators were blowing up innocents in Pakistan and Afghanistan. And then candidate Obama became President Obama and essentially flipped on every anti-terrorism issue, and simply kept the Bush protocols, albeit with new euphemisms (”overseas contingency operation,” “man-made catastrophes,” etc.); his supporters almost magically ceased the “shredding the Constitution” slurs used against Bush. And here we are.
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson052109B.html
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Holy sweet Mama, VDH is not finding teh funny with a microscope.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:19 ET by JWFHe is looking so hard he had a twofor column day .
The problem is that between 2003-2008 there was such hysterical antagonism to Bush that the combatants never worried about the often vicious means they used to achieve their supposedly lofty ends, and so now, finding themselves in a position of responsibility, are infuriated that anyone, well, would even conceive of playing hardball as they once did.
The striking thing about the sudden wounded-fawn Democratic syndrome is that Cheney is far milder than Gore was, that the CIA is not the firebrand Pelosi has been, and Bush has been silent about Obama in a way that even Clinton was not about Bush. If this softball stuff excites such outrage, what will happen if politics really get rough, say, as it was around 2007?
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson052109.html
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Note Hanson refers to
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:31 ET by JerNote Hanson refers to 2003-2008. Obama wasn't even given two weeks, much less two years. And of course there is Rush who started officially hammering him two days before he was sworn into office.
Jer
Just noting the unfunnyness of it all. Not O vs C per se.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:40 ET by JWFAlso one of the VDH columns mentions that Obama spent a lot of time on the campaign trail whining about talk radio including Rush and Hannity. Read if you dare sir.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Maybe JWF ought to explain why he has lost teh funnyness.
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 08:30 ET by JWFAwful lot of people mentioning the Bali bombing again. I sat in the Sari Club. The bar itself was actually about 10 feet from the door. I sat at the end of the bar with my back to the door. I loved that bar so much I bought the T-Shirt.
I supported everything George W Bush did in the GWOT. To see Obama spend 2 years ripping GWB and GWOT to shreds and now come around to adopt everything is beyond the pale.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Dick Cheney is
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:15 ET by Delsaa prime example of a statesman and leader!
And SOBama is a prime example of an empty suit controlled by a telepromter!
The left is scared to death of him!
Go Cheney Go!
David Gregory got it right?
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:47 ET by JWFBill Plante: Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party
Is Bill Plante and idiot or a liar? If I fell down on the job this bad, I would be fired.
DAVID GREGORY: A lot of Republicans I spoke to today said there was a rallying cry from Dick Cheney, a message to conservatives and to Republicans.
Thank you David. We heart Dick Cheney!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Man whips boy
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 22:57 ET by 10ksnookerZERO got thoroughly trashed. Putting ZERO too close to Cheney makes the comparison stark.
NBC Snooze!
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 23:00 ET by blazermaniacWhat would anyone expect from NBC Snooze! Of course they are one sided.
Cheney has guts
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 23:55 ET by DaleneCheney has the courage to stand up to the thuggery of the Obama administration...with a bad heart no less. The media must be paid to put down any critics of the disastrous policies of Obama or maybe they are fearful of Acorn mini mobs being dispatched to their homes.
Cheney is my hero. He stood up strong and made sense where Obama was all tiny breaking bubbles. Cheney loves his country enough to tell it the hard truth and warn us. I suspect we will look back in the not so distant future and will say, Cheney tried to warn us.
Thank God for Cheney
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 02:39 ET by CaringwhiteguyWhile George Bush was talking about dog poop at Artesia High School in New Mexico Dick Cheney was at the American Enterprise Institute making a marvelous defense of the prior administration and our country. Thank God for Cheney.
Poor Widdle Obammy
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:34 ET by slickwillie2001Any time your political enemies scream about 'turning down the rhetoric', you know that our criticism is hitting the spot and we need to hit that spot again and again. The President of the USA needs to be able to take on foreign dictators all over the world, but poor widdle Obammy can't handle an old retired politician like VP Cheney on his own? He has the entire old media at his disposal as ground troops, that's not enough?
More "Some Say" BS
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:34 ET by Tom Paine“Republicans who fear that the high-profile criticism coming from someone as unpopular as Cheney isn't helping their party.”
Can we have some names please? Who exactly is fearful – Arlen Specter? Olympia Snow? Susan Collins? I am so tired of this “some say” crap. This is nothing more than an attempt to cower conservatives into silence by making us feel like we are offending someone. The mere fact that Barry was forced to respond to Cheney shows how effective Cheney's message is.
Pelosi & Biden: Official Face of Democrats
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 22:51 ET by TN MomAre NBC's Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory and Democrats happy with their messengers Speaker Nancy Pelosi and VP Joe Biden?
Pelosi & Biden: The OFFICIAL FACE of the Democrat Party.
hahahahahahaha!
LOL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 04:03 ET by Buck_1The old MAN knows the difference between war and playing tag.
Your the man Cheney