Fleischer: 'Where is the Press' in Checking Biden's Claim?

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MSNBC anchor Peter Alexander was more interested Friday afternoon in a Karl Rove v Joe Biden cat fight than in the accuracy of Biden's claim which prompted Rove's rebuke of him for telling a “lie” -- which led guest Ari Fleischer to scold the media for not checking into Biden's allegation. Indeed, MSNBC framed the segment around Rove's words, “Rove: Biden Is a Liar.” When Alexander asked if it is “appropriate for Karl Rove” to call a Vice President “a liar?”, Fleischer shot back: “Well, for heaven's sake, that's just about the only word Democrats wanted to use when they were talking about George W. Bush.”

Alexander began the segment, in the 3 PM EDT hour, playing the self-serving anecdote told by Biden in an interview earlier this week for CNN's The Situation about how, in an Oval Office meeting on an unidentified date, when President Bush told him “I'm a leader,” Biden had retorted: “Mr. President, turn around, look behind you, no one's following.” Alexander wanted to know who would benefit politically -- “Are these fights good for the GOP or for the Obama administration?” -- prompting Fleischer to wonder:

My question is, where is the press in all of this? If Dick Cheney had said that he had a private meeting with Bill Clinton and he in that meeting told Bill Clinton that Bill Clinton was wrong, I think all the press would have said to Cheney, “When did you do it? Back it up. Where are the dates?” There's no scrutiny here for Joe Biden....

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To which, Alexander insisted, apparently quite seriously: 

I'm trusting right now that all the reporters in Washington are mulling over to find out whatever information they can about whatever the Vice President now had said when he was Senator to try to put those facts together.

Yet, the matter only arose because Rove was asked about it on FNC's On the Record. Who else in the media has pursued the claim made in the interview conducted and aired on Tuesday?

(Saturday's Situation Room, at 6 PM EDT, will carry the entire interview conducted by Wolf Blitzer and Gloria Borger.)

From MSNBC at about 3:18 EDT on Friday, April 10:

PETER ALEXANDER: Former Bush senior adviser Karl Rove has had plenty of criticism for the Obama administration. But right now Rove is on the defense refuting some recent comments by Vice President Joe Biden. It's the classic he said/he said. First, here's what the Vice President said about George W. Bush during an interview this weekend, then listen to Karl Rove's angry response.

VP JOE BIDEN ON CNN's THE SITUATION ROOM: I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office, he was a great guy, I enjoyed being with him, and he said to me, he said, “Well Joe,” he said, “I'm a leader.” And I said, “Mr. President, turn around, look behind you, no one's following.”

KARL ROVE ON FNC'S ON THE RECORD: He never said these kind of things. I hate to say it, but he's a serial exaggerator. If I was being unkind I'd say he's a liar. But it is a habit he ought to drop. You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you're the Vice President.

ALEXANDER: So where's the truth? Joining us live right now is former Bush White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer. Thank you for being with us. You served in the White House, Ari, from 2001 to 2003. So let's pose he question to you: Do you recall Senator Biden, at the time, saying any of the things he claimed? Could he have said it privately to the President?

ARI FLEISCHER: I don't recall him ever saying that. In fact, the times that Senator Biden was in the Oval Office or private meetings with the President he was accompanied by either the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or by an appropriate member from the House International Relations Committee. And in those meetings, I always attended them, and I never once heard him say anything like that. I think this could be clarified if he would only release the date that they says this encounter took place and all of us could look at our notes and see if it's so.

ALEXANDER: Suffice to say, the Vice President had said he spent, quote, “lots of hours alone with him.” You're obviously refuting that, but let me pose this to you: Are these fights good for the GOP or for the Obama administration? Democrats seem to be excited to have Karl Rove once again as their Republican bogeyman of sorts, much the same way when Democrats attacked Rush Limbaugh after he recently insisted that he wanted President Obama to fail. So who wins?

FLEISCHER: Well, frankly, my question is, where is the press in all of this? If Dick Cheney had said that he had a private meeting with Bill Clinton and he in that meeting told Bill Clinton that Bill Clinton was wrong, I think all the press would have said to Cheney, “When did you do it? Back it up. Where are the dates?” There's no scrutiny here for Joe Biden and that's why I wonder why the issue is what Karl said? I think Karl was actually clarifying the issue and saying it probably didn't happen, Karl says it didn't happen. I never saw it happen. But doesn't the Vice President get held to a certain level of scrutiny? That's what I think is missing from this whole equation.

ALEXANDER: I'm trusting right now that all the reporters in Washington are mulling over to find out whatever information they can about whatever the Vice President now had said when he was Senator to try to put those facts together. If we refer to these comments, though, you served in the White House, you've had your critics from outside. Is it over the top, though, is it appropriate for Karl Rove, someone outside the Oval Office, outside the White House to use that language toward a Vice President -- calling him a liar?

FLEISCHER: Well, for heaven's sake, that's just about the only word Democrats wanted to use when they were talking about George W. Bush. If it was good enough for last eight years and people didn't question the tactic I don't know why they question it now...

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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Fantasy hour (again) on the peacock

ALEXANDER: ... --calling him a liar?

FLEISCHER: ...I don't know why they question it now...

ALEXANDER: Whatever Ari. Look, we all know Biden has plagerized, exagerated, lied, whatever- it doesn't really matter. What matters is Rove, and Bush, and that miscreant Cheney. Shouldn't we be focusing in on all the things Bush did to destroy this great country?

FLEISCHER: Huh? Are you (interupted)

ALEXANDER:  Look, Ari, if you're not going to admit that Bush is an idiot, and probably single-handedly caused the economy to falter, you're obviously in denial. Thank you for being here...And thank you Mr. Obama, for saving us from this wretched group of failed politicians. Up next: What kind of tea will they be serving at the upcoming tea parties? We'll have in-depth analysis after the break.

what you wrote here, BKeyser, is totally unfair

You know damn well no-one in the MSM will bring up the tea parties in the first place!

 ;-)

lol

you're right, I got caught up in the fantasy, I guess...

Oh they'll

cover any of the Tea Parties where ACORN shows up and disrupts things, or vandalizes property, or attacks the police, blaming it on the people who organized the Tea Parties, or the participants.  I'm sure ACORN already has their orders from Emanuel, Axelrod and Plouffe, just dress like they do, when you get there, throw things, break things and beat up people.  And Carville, Begala and Stephy will make sure it gets max coverage from the Lame Stream Media.    

Got to love the way Ari

Got to love the way Ari stands up to these guys and points out the double standards.  However, if he keeps it up they may stop inviting him on their programs.

If this had been Bush/Cheney:

(cue dramatic newsy-music)

 WE INTERRUPT FOR THIS IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS!

(show huge red graphic: CHENEY-LIED GATE: DAY 4)

WE NOW REPORT LIVE FROM IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

(cue MSM talking head in front of dozens of news vans and trucks parked all over)

".....I'm here live in Washington where it's day four of what we....uhh, some in the media have dubbed "Cheney-Lied Gate". Attempts to get the Vice President to admit that he indeed lied to (insert name of Democrat) have been met with silence from his office, which to this journalist, can only mean that he's indeed guilty and should submit his immediate resignation"

worse than a used-car salesman

Joe Biden, our VP -- oh, and "a heartbeat away from the Presidency" -- makes used-car salesmen look like honest salts of the earth.

Ugh. 

You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!

 

So for MSNBC the issue

So for MSNBC the issue isn't the possibility that Biden is a serial liar, it's that someone has the guts to call him that. 

Way to go Fleischer for pointing out the double standard in the media! 

 

exactly right!

'Alexander asked if it is “appropriate for Karl Rove” to call a Vice President “a liar?” '  

i think the much, much more important issue here is to examine the vp's history  of lying, and therefore the distinct possibility that he has lied in this case, too.  (of course, an in-depth study into his truthfulness - or lack thereof - should have been done before the election.  oh, silly me!)

 

"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"

The press already know the

The press already know the answer. Their silence is deafening. 

"DumbAssity of Dope"

Does he know fact from fiction?

I have to wonder if Joe Biden thinks that this and his other imaginations really happened. It's possible that he has lost that line in your brain that clearly separates fantasy from fact. Has he brainwashed himself?

PS I wonder if he has an invisible companion?

slick.. Only the Shadow

slick..

Only the Shadow knows... 

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Slick,

This is eerily like a recent episode of "South Park." The point is made that for some people, their ego is so fragile that they must convince themselves that an incident occurred the way they remember it, putting themselves in the best possible light.

According to this theory, Biden may actually believe this happened, especially if it's refutation would reflect badly on him.

"A heartbeat away," indeed. And just plain scary

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

He probably also saved Bush

He probably also saved Bush from a dragon in the middle of the talk that so totally happened, he can't remember it any other way.

Fishsticks anyone?

Fishsticks anyone?

That's why South Park is Genius

I was thinking the same thing.  Is he so deranged that he actually believes his own stories?   South Park is ahead of the story and giving us insight once again.

Although I think it's more likely that we once again have a serial liar in the White House who knows he's lying and that his lies hurt himself yet can't seem to stop doing it anyway. Biden is either incredibly stupid or self destructive.  Or some combination of the two.

Biden, like Rove said, simply has a habitual habit of lying

Biden, like Rove said, simply has a habitual habit of lying.

He lied for years about the the accident which took his first wife and daughter's life, claiming that the truck driver had drunk his lunch. The ver unfortunate accident was entirely his wife's fault, who pulled out in front of the truck coming down a long hill. The other driver was completely cleared of fault in the crash, and there were never any charges that he had been intoxicated. Only after the truck driver's death did Sen. Biden did finally apologize to the family of the man who had wrongly smeared by this vice president for years.  

He lied during the campaign when he touted that the top 1% of income earners were suddenly earning 21% of all income earned - and blamed the Bush administration for that. For a fact, that stat increased from about 14% in 1993 to 21% in 2000 - under none other that Bill Clinton (the dot.com bubble - worked it's magic). 

And.. no doubt, he's lying about this as well.

We got a real weiner here, folks. 

(:~/ gary

Keep your eye on Joe

His lies may quite possibly be the saving grace for the Republicans.

If he gets caught in enough lies (and that is not a stretch to suggest that it may happen), the Republicans may just be able to use that to uncover all the other great lies and innuendo the left has used to damage the Republicans over the past eight years. 

God made man, but he used a monkey to do it  -- DEVO

no way Ari

There has been no press scutiny on Biden's 100th lie which he tells just to get attention.  The press NEVER look into his nutty comments and the press never will until Biden's blood is in the water and then the press will feed.  I would give 3 to 1 odds on a $10 bet that Biden does not finish the first term.  For some reason the Chosen One had to give Biden either Sec of St or VP and Biden chose BP.  I don't think the Chosen One likes him though.  Biden will have to do something desperately wrong before the press will hound him out of office.  He'll have to pull a John Edwards or the equivalent thereof before they nail him.  Let's see?  I would bet that Old Joe loses his temper and kicks Harry Reid in the balls.  That should do it.

"Biden will have to do something desperately wrong ..."

yes, but will we hear about it if he does?  i know i have had my nose buried in tax law books for the last few weeks, but if anything came of the video of biden's daughter snorting cocaine, i certainly  missed it!  i think the press will cover for joe because anything that makes joe look bad, makes their chosen one look bad. 

 

"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"

→ I know clinging!!

He could make a comment about how Washington DC schools lag behind Iowa schools because of the high percentage of African Americans in DC.

Say what?  He's already said that?

Never mind.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

and how about this popular favorite:

"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama.....Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy......And Barack gets it."

oh, yeah?  tell that to the somali pirates, joe!   

 

"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"

→ Maybe, cling

Though this crisis isn't quite big enough yet to merit the scope Biden seemed to be talking about, it could get that way pretty quickly if he doesn't act.

Maybe it is a generated crisis after all.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Has anyone else noticed

That the pirates don't seem to be taking the route of appeasement. Could it be that they know that the projection of strength is important? 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

makes you wonder what they're waiting on...

...doesn't it? north korea fires missile over japan = silence; somali pirates take american merchant ship captain hostage = silence. the msm can make all the disparaging remarks they want about "cowboy diplomacy", but it sure as heck beats "silence"!

"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"

Joe Biden is nothing more

Joe Biden is nothing more than a glorified used car salesman, and in saying that I don't mean to disparage used car salesmen.

 

The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.

A compulsive liar believes

A compulsive liar believes the stories they fabricate, it's how they make themselves feel needed and important. I have a relative that is just like Ol Joe.

I actually believe that HE believes these things happened, which is why he is completely unfit to be Vice President..

My favorite part

My favorite part was where Biden described how his helicopter (with John Kerry also) was "FORCED DOWN" in Afghanistan.  WOW... I was a civilian airline pilot for 30 years... I never knew how many times *I* was forced down....by enemy clouds just the same as Biden. They didn't come get us in a Hummer though, we had to ride from JFK in a cab driven by some Iranian,  now.. THAT was dangerous. 

OH... they failed to mention that after the Hummer picked them up  Kerry put in for another Purple Heart. Not as dangerous as his first one for smoke inhalation (no kidding) but... hey... he needs the votes. 

 

I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus,.......  and lived.

The Washington Post has an extensive article about President

Bush's life since he left the White house. In an article titled Back in Texas, A More Simple Life for Bush the Post reports: "In his return to private life, former president has maintained tranquility by adhering to a basic philosophy: his legacy is yet to be determined."

There is an accompanying photo gallery.

God Bless President George W. Bush.

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“The Democrats live in a world of fakery, fraudulent phoniness.  We live in a world of reality." ~ Rush Limbaugh

The Question

Most people have Biden's number. The question that pops up is whether he believes his BS himself. I think he picks his lies or stories very carefully. Targets like the truck driver in his wife's accident are to low in the pecking order to fight back. He claims private meetings without witnesses. Half-truths concerning obscure events. Yes, he knows he a scumbag and when he lies down for the night his mind rolls around the lie trying to satisfy himself that the truth is successfully hidden.

If only more Republicans would

throw the media's sucking up right back at them we would be better off.  No Rep should entertain the idea that Rove was out of line calling Biden a "serial exaagerator" without asking why the media didn't ask the Dems whether it was wrong to call GWB a liar and a murderer. Sheesh - we are expected to play nice while the Dems play no holds barred,

Many of the Politico-type

Many of the Politico-type pundits pretend that Biden's exaggerations and  fabrications are "charming" and just part of "good ol' Joe - heh-heh". Just how freaking charming was it when Biden lied the circumstances of losing his first wife and one of his daughters in a car accident, saying in public, falsely, that the other driver was "drunk"?

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Unplugging Plugs

Alexander -  .....all the reporters in Washington are mulling over to find out whatever information they can......to try to put those facts together.

Washington reporters know full well the facts.  Unplugged Plugs is a serial liar.  That's his MO.  Can't report that 'fact' any longer now that Biden isn't running in the primary against Obama?  Might damage the Administration?  It must be Mulling time. 

This isn't the first time the demedia has opted for mulling over reporting the facts to cover for Joe.  Soon after jivin' Joe called the surge "a tragic mistake" newsrooms from MSNBC to Al Jazeera were forced to shift from non-stop reporting on Iraq to mulling mode.

I feel the demedia's pain.  Certainly the liberal demedia can't support a member of the Bush Administration in this case.  Ironically, other than mulling, the demedia is left with the following quandary. Do they support Joe.....or Joe's boss who recently had this to say about his underling;  “You know I think that Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes.”

Yes, best defer to mulling mode once again Mr. Alexander.

Bless Ari Fleischer's heart for...

appearing on these Liberal Networks.  He does an excellent job in defending our side from what I have heard on this site.  Too bad he doesn't make more appearances on Fox News so I could get a chance to watch him in action.  He could replace Bob Beckel.  Hey, if you're going to be accused of being a one-sided network anyway, then what's the harm in replacing an annoying Liberal with a smart Conservative?  Jim Webster

Re Beckel

I think Beckel is moonlighting as a clown. I saw him yesterday in a blue vertical pinstripe shirt with a white banker's collar and a blue diagonal striped tie with black suspenders. All he needed was a red ball on the end of his nose.