In a Wednesday segment on worries President Obama, in not ruling out renditions and water-boarding, may be “slipping back into the dirty old ways” of “torture” supposedly employed by the Bush administration, Hardball host Chris Matthews blurted out: “Do you think if we water-boarded Lewis 'Scooter' Libby he'd tell us the role that the Vice President played in the outing of Joseph Wilson's wife?”
When guest Michael Smerconish's answer didn't satisfy Matthews, he turned to Salon's chief, Joan Walsh, and expounded on the scope of who he thought could be physically treated like a dangerous terrorist: “Do you think water-boarding works in the case of recent political figures in this [Bush] administration who are felons, disbarred, et cetera?...Do you think we'd get the truth through water-boarding here at home?”
On the February 18 show, Matthews fretted over Obama:
He's apparently, according to the testimony we've gotten from Leon Panetta and others, he is going to consider, as an option, rendition. He is going to consider, as an option, additional authority when it comes to squeezing prisoners, using harsher techniques of interrogation. Is he slipping back into the dirty old ways?
A couple of minutes later:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Do you think if we water-boarded Lewis 'Scooter' Libby he'd tell us the role that the Vice President played in the outing of Joseph Wilson's wife? I'm asking you a simple question because you believe in this stuff. Do you believe he would give us an honest answer if we water-boarded Scooter Libby as to the role his boss played in what he did and got in trouble for?MICHAEL SMERCONISH, PHILADELPHIA RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I believe that there must be some efficacy in water-boarding or we would not continue to have this debate. Does that answer your question?
MATTHEWS: It does in a very abstract way. I was hoping for something more applicable. Let me go to Joan Walsh. Do you think water-boarding works in the case of recent political figures in this administration who are felons, disbarred, et cetera, but will not get pardons because the President will not play ball with his Vice President? Do you think we'd get the truth through water-boarding here at home? Here at home? Do you think it works?
JOAN WALSH, SALON: Okay, this is easy for me, Chris. I don't believe in water-boarding, not even for Scooter. So I'm just -- I'm not even going to go there. So-
MATTHEWS: Okay. Good. Well let's go where we have to go tonight. In all seriousness, are you worried, as a supporter of Barack Obama in a general sense, you like his values. Do you believe he may be slipping away from them, backsliding into the old ways of torture?
WALSH: I am worried...
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center




















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Always said if Obama did
February 19, 2009 - 01:01 ET by dark_dsAlways said if Obama did something that was right I would say so ... So Prez Obama if you are slipping back to our old ways of keeping us safe by the use of waterboarding then thank you! I appreciate it.
"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"
See, liberals really have no
February 19, 2009 - 01:08 ET by mostlymoderateSee, liberals really have no problem with waterboarding. As long as *they* are the ones doing the waterboarding. This same hypocrisy is found in just about anything that liberals are supposedly opposed too.
Poor Widdle Chrissy...he
February 19, 2009 - 01:12 ET by bigtimerPoor Widdle Chrissy...he just cannot get over being proved wrong.
He went on endlessly for months and months with breathless anticipation daily, predicting the day of the week Cheney, Libby and Rove would all be frog-marched to prison...if anyone watched his shows during this time, it was embarrassing for him, he was never correct, yet he still cannot let go..he cannot get it through that empty space between his ears that the guilty party in all of this BS was ...
Armitage!
...and yet he still will use water-boarding, something he is supposedly adamantly against with the terrorists, on these men, just to somehow prove he was right...just praying someone else would agree with his insinuations here.
It must be hell to live in his skin.
I don't look for crissy to
February 19, 2009 - 02:25 ET by SlicksterI don't look for crissy to be the the air much longer unless he finds new object of hatred, Rush has refused to lower himself to crissy's level by not responding to his non-sense, and the liberals I know are even getting tired of the conspiracy theories.
Only If...
February 19, 2009 - 03:48 ET by flyingmonkeyI would heartily agree to it if we could then waterboard Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to get the low down on their involvement in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac scandals.
Unfortunately, Barney Frank would probably enjoy it thinking it was a golden shower and Chris Dodd would just think he was getting a ride home from Teddy Kennedy.
As someone who has experienced stuff way worse
February 19, 2009 - 04:17 ET by thebutlerdiditthan water-boarding, can we please just give it a rest, libs? I lived from real torture, and for Chrissy and the gang to whine about this, just makes me sick. And that tired out old story about Valerie Plame. Yikes Stripes! Everyone in America with 6 working brain cells knows what happened in that story, so it is not necessary for them to keep on and on. Anyway, what idiot doesn't want murderers/potential murderers to be roughed up a little? Personally I'd go for roughed up a lot. So, yeah, if Obama keeps up the tradition of rendition or whatever we need to do to get info, more power to him. Nice to see him possibly doing something I agree with.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
When it comes to torturing civilian murdering Islamofascists
February 19, 2009 - 04:35 ET by JWFI just got 2 things to say...
The red wire is positive.
The black wire is negative.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
That's a leftie for ya'
February 19, 2009 - 08:53 ET by superconThey don't want to waterboard a terrorist but they would happily do it to an American citizen that they don't like.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
Waterboarding is OK if it's
February 19, 2009 - 09:43 ET by motherbeltWaterboarding is OK if it's liberals doing it...
Oh, right...those are OUR torturers now!!
didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
9/11/03 Barney Quote NYT
February 19, 2009 - 09:51 ET by NortoDon't need much more proof than this
''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
NYT Link To Barney Quote
February 19, 2009 - 09:53 ET by Nortohttp://query.nytimes...
WHO IS THE ENEMY?
February 19, 2009 - 10:11 ET by danybhoyI have noticed something since the turn of the century, & Mathews just did it again...
There are many on the liberal/progressive/ left who want take a stand & fight things that are no real threat to them. Like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, El-Rushbo, Hannity, Global Warming, FoxNews, Capitalism, Israel/Zionists, Wal-Mart, SUVs, & our military are just a few examples of things that they see as threats to America.
At the same time, they downplay things like Radical Islamic Terrorists, Iran, the ChiComs, Russia, the war on our southern border, illegals sucking up our resources, black-on-black crime, North Korea, & illegal drugs & the violence that goes with it are played down or ignored.
People like Mathews, BathTubBoy, Moyers, the NYSlimes, & the rest of the MSM & "progressive" media types attack what they do because they know nothing will happen to them. If they wet after our ACTUAL enemies/problems, they would need 24/7 security. Look, Scooter Libby ain't gonna do jack to Mathews & he knows it. If he went after saaay, the Mexican drug gangs who are at war with the Mexican gov't & our US Border Agents, he might have a problem. They might go after him or his family. These are people who are kindnapping or killing whoever gets in their way. People who have denounced radical islamic wackjobs have been attacked or killed, or live in constant fear of attack. Last example, remember all the gays protesting outside of LDS churches after prop8? Why did they go after them, not blacks who voted against them at a 75% clip? The mormans will do nothing back, if they protested outside of black churches in black neiborhoods, they might very well get their @$$ kicked.
Whatever & whoever the left in this nation attacks, you know that it's no real threat to whatever they say it is threatening. Whatever they downplay is probably an actual threat to America's way of life.
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth
danybhoy
February 19, 2009 - 10:33 ET by easygoerWell said, danybhoy. In addition to many other things, Matthews, Olbermann etc are first and foremost, cowards.
Barney, Chris, and Teddy
February 19, 2009 - 12:40 ET by nandrelliA little bit crude, but very funny - and accurate.
Matthews is a typical
February 19, 2009 - 04:10 ET by robert108Matthews is a typical leftie; he wants to waterboard a US citizen for his differing political beliefs, but let the murdering terrorists go free.
I guess even Matthews doesn't believe the leftie lie that waterboarding doesn't work, eh?
Ditto
February 19, 2009 - 06:02 ET by NonanonI thought the same thing when I read this. Liberals despise their own fellow citizens who disagree idealogically from them and seel to punish them but give the proven enemies of America the benefit of doubt (no pre-conditions to talk to Iran, for example). They also react with such vitriol regarding a citizen who speaks his opinions on a radio program, knowing what he says is not what they claim he says. And they obviously believe waterboarding produces good intel, but when it is used against our enemies, they will not allow it. Liberals so often swerve into the truth and reality but are so wrapped up in their lies and fantasy they never realize it.
Matthews is a Disgusting Pig
February 19, 2009 - 05:50 ET by CBrauand whenever you think he hits the bottom of the barrel, he drills a hole and goes even lower. Suggesting that patriotic Americans should be on the same playing field as terrorists is just disgusting.
On a different note, any word on how the Libs "Please" and "Pretty Please" interrogation methods are working out? Will the terrorists captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan spill their guts for a deep tissue massage and pair of fuzzy pink slippers? How about for a trip to Disney? A Twinkie? What is working these days?
Difference...
February 19, 2009 - 07:52 ET by jdlybrandnewsisblues
The difference between Chris Matthews and a carp is; one is a scum sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish!
Matthews must've been
February 19, 2009 - 05:57 ET by RR GOPMatthews must've been waterboarded himself because he's all wet.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Nothing better to do
February 19, 2009 - 06:05 ET by rightwingchefThis idiot just won't quit, he's like the eveready bunny, going, going,going. Give us a break Matthews, its pure torture listening to your rants. Its awful sad that this Obamaidiot has nothing to report on, guess the powers that be don't trust him with real news.
Is it just me or are these
February 19, 2009 - 07:03 ET by BookinWeaselIs it just me or are these blathering nimrods running out of people to foment their derangement towards? I mean Bush is gone. Cheney is gone. Rove has been gone. Why would one advertise on this network when your target audience is a bunch of moonbats? I don't get it. When Tucker left I left.....
Chrissy just never got over
February 19, 2009 - 07:25 ET by eaglewingz08Chrissy just never got over that his first black President got impeached the next President wasn't impeached and the current President is an arrogant ignoramus. Perhaps Chrissy might suggest waterboarding Colin Powell to find out what he had to do with outing Ms. Plame, as it was his associate that did so (Mr. Armitage). Besides Plame is such old news, you have to wonder about Chrissy's mental state even if he wasn't such a ghey leg tingler.
I propose that Matthews be
February 19, 2009 - 07:27 ET by gueinI propose that Matthews be submitted to water boarding until he admits that he is not a journalist.
HARDBALL WITH BARNEY RUBBLE...
February 19, 2009 - 10:26 ET by danybhoyWaterboarding would be too good for him. I'm somewhere between putting him into an iron maiden or showing him his ratings. Since bleeding him out would really be torture, I'll settle for showing him his ratings & let him be depressed about how poorly he is doing. That & show him charts that track the price of GE stock.
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth
Eau d' Chris (Matthews' spittle) as an intrument of torture
February 19, 2009 - 08:23 ET by ekslibMere threats to liberally apply Matthews' spittle (Eau d' Chris) during waterboarding would loosen the tongue of any suspect.
No need to be stingy about using Eau d' Chris, since it should be easy to collect endless bottles of the stuff.
*An Ode to Eau d' Chris*
Chris Matthews will rarely make sense.
(Perhaps 'cause his brain is too tense.)
As he spews forth ridiculous gaffes,
He spits and he giggles and laughs.
His guests sit FAR back, in defense.
I know it will probably
February 19, 2009 - 08:42 ET by athoughtor2I know it will probably prove fruitless, but does anyone know where we can get Chrissy's e-mail address? MSNBC's web site is riduculous. We can then bombard him with simple e-mails telling him it was Armitage that leaked.
Also, either Chrissy or Olberman were running a daily countdown, pun intended, on when Pres. Bush would issue a full pardon for Libby.
So much for playing "hardball" on the important issues of the day. Let's keep regurgitating the Wilson story that was settled a long time ago. That will help get your ratings out fo the toliet.
Here's what I have, athoughtor2...
February 19, 2009 - 08:52 ET by Lord Erondviewerservices@msnbc.com
letters@msnbc.com
KOlbermann@msnbc.com
countdown@msnbc.com
Those of course are probably that simp Bathtub Boy but what the hey.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
Thanks.It just gets so
February 19, 2009 - 10:29 ET by athoughtor2Thanks. It just gets so old.... They just spent over 1 trillion dollars, interest on new debt included, and this guy lives in the past about the Plame game. Not that I watch a lot of their shows, but I do stop in for a quick hit and I am continually amazed at the subjects that they do and don't cover. On Drudge this mornig he has tapes of B. Clinton and Pelosi hugging and praising the latest swindler, Stanford. But no comments on that by the MSM. But when they saw a picture of President Bush with Jack Abramoff in the background it was grounds for an all out investigation and countless hours of coverage...But nothing yet from the MSM. Note to all: do not hold your breath waiting for this to happen hear.
If you really what to get technical
February 19, 2009 - 10:13 ET by ArminiusJoe Wilson outed Plame in 1999. If you check opensecrets.org, you'll see that Wilson contributed more than the limit to Al Gore's campaign in 1999. Gore's campaign returned the excess to Wilson and then that same amount was contributed back to Gore by Valerie Plame. Her so-called front company (which Wilson pal Larry Johnson claimed was a secret to the world until 2003) was listed as her employer.
Pissy Chrissy
February 19, 2009 - 08:48 ET by Lord ErondThere is no guilt or malfeasance in the GWB Administration. Valerie Plame was not 'outed' by anyone for revenge. Why don't you point your fingers at the corrupt tax cheats in the current administration? We have more evidence of corruption in the new Obama adminstration one month in than we ever had in the 8 years of GWB. Get over it you simpering little Obama cheerleader.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
How does this guy stay employed?
February 19, 2009 - 09:11 ET by notinstlI would imagine the union folks working the studio would want him out due to the danger posed by his drooling around electrical equipment.
He also exposes (once again) the hypocrisy of the left...suggesting that we waterboard political opponents....but certainly not those that want to kill people. Chris matthews is a simple tool.
Matthews you Idiot!
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...."Do you think if
we water-boarded Lewis 'Scooter' Libby he'd tell us the role that the Vice
President played in the outing of Joseph Wilson's wife?”
Hey "little Tingles"
You harped on Scooter Libby outing
Valerie Plame for years when Libby wasn't even responsible for it. Why are you
not reporting on Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) for letting out classified
information that the U.S. is launching drone surveillance planes from inside
Pakistan.
This clearly is a very serious crime
that she has committed.
Blabbermouth Feinstein
"Loose Lips sink ships"
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090218/OPINION02/902180483
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/02/13/feinstein-reveals-predator-drones-based-in-pakistan.php
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4616490/US-drones-based-in-Pakistan-Senator-Dianne-Feinstein-reveals-in-apparent-gaffe.html
I think Chris must have the
February 19, 2009 - 09:23 ET by SeashellI think Chris must have the tingles for Valerie Plame also. He just can't seem to let this go.
water boarding does work
February 19, 2009 - 09:38 ET by JIMMY1660so, Barney Frank/Chris Dodd and Frank Raines/must be in line before Scooter. I have a few more. Maybe BHO as well. Lets get to the truth, and water boarding works, lets do it.
as a republic we elect to do the right thing, no more campaigning, water boarding id the right of passage. The first question"are you going to provide the services good for America".Wow we might be on to something The truth.
allow me to Love America
I'm actually pretty angry
February 19, 2009 - 10:03 ET by fitzfongI'm actually pretty angry at George Bush for not granting a pardon to Scooter Libby. I think it showed weakness and cowardice. The prosecution of Scooter Libby was one of the great miscarriages of justice in recent times. The real villains in this show trial were Schumer (who orchestrated this malicious prosecution), Fitzgerald (who cynically wasted time and taxpayer money in a malicious pursuit of a "process crime" when the source of the leak proved insufficiently tied to the Bush Administration), Colin Powell (a disgusting, self-absorbed creep and an empty uniform who helped Fitzgerald cover up the source of the leak), Armitage (a fat windbag...and the orginal source of the leak), Joe Wilson (a bitter nobody who marinated in the dishonestly glowing press he received), Valerie Plame (no more than a low-level CIA desk jockey who tried to exploit this "violation" as a springboard to fame, fortune and sympathy), Tim Russert (there was more evidence that Russert perjured himself than there was that Libby did) and, perhaps most of all, Reggie Walton (who, in typical Lance Ito fashion, allowed this trial to turn into an absolute circus. A competent judge with Walton's obvious biases would have recused himself from this case). The Fitzgerald sycophants over at NBC/MSNBC including Matthews, Mitchell, Olbermann, Gregory and Schuster also played a massive role in misrepresenting the facts of this farcical prosecution and trial. Matthews should be water boarded for his comprehensive ignorance.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
I think he should have
February 19, 2009 - 11:07 ET by SeashellI think he should have pardoned Libby as well. I was surprised and disappointed that he didn't. I think the beating he took over the years w/the war, torture, Gitmo, economic troubles, etc. (let's not forget Plame) just got to him and he finally caved to the political pressure.
He knew he would be hammered by the press if he pardoned Libby and with the burgeoning economic crisis I guess he just didn't feel like he could give the press more ammunition against him.
As much as I like Bush, I think this was a big mistake. He always seemed to do what was right regardless of what the press said. Not this time is seems.
Fitz
February 19, 2009 - 14:20 ET by thebutlerdiditI put a comment on this, I guess on the other thread with Psycho Chris. Scooter Libby asked Bush to commute his sentence only, he specifically said he didn't want to be pardoned. Now why, I have absolutely no idea. I did read that several times, though, at the time. As for your post above, that was a great summation of the case. One other funny thing I remember, was that there were 2 girls that worked in a local cafe in DC, who later on said they knew that Plame worked for the CIA. Evidently, Plame frequented this cafe, and had bragged about where she worked, on more than one occasion. The girls said that everyone that worked in the cafe, had discussed it, and had wondered what her job was at CIA. So, to my mind, if these young girls knew where she worked, then Plame wasn't too closed-mouthed about her job. The whole thing was an absolute witch hunt.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
TBDI, I'm not sure that
February 19, 2009 - 15:53 ET by fitzfongTBDI,
I'm not sure that Libby asked not to be pardoned...though there are those who suggest Libby would prefer to overturn the convictions on appeal rather than having a cloud of suspicion hanging over him post-pardon. That said, the whole premise of who "outed" Valerie Plame was ridiculous. Plame was an individual of no consequence at the CIA and the notion that the White House (or the outhouse, for that matter) would be bothered "outing" some low grade paper pusher like her is ludicrous. Plame and Wilson were merely Washington, D.C. socialites attempting to attract attention to themselves. They had their names put in "Who's Who", for God's sake.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
This should be OK since it's
February 19, 2009 - 10:38 ET by balboaThis should be OK since it's not torture, right?
Should we try it out
February 19, 2009 - 11:05 ET by Tom in NCOn you first, after all it's not torture, right?
"We are so screwed" - Me, Nov 5, 2008
Go for it.
February 19, 2009 - 11:07 ET by KarmaIf you honestly think getting information from the murderous Scooter would save innocent lives, have-at-him bal.
This should be OK since
February 19, 2009 - 11:56 ET by motherbeltThis should be OK since it's not torture, right?
As usual, bal, you come in on the other side, just as a matter of principle.
But you're missing the point.
The point is not whether we think it's torture or not (or even if it is, in fact). It's that Chris Matthews spoke out against it as torture, and opposed using it against suspected terrorists. However, he doesn't mind using it for his own purposes.
Can you say "hypocrisy?"
That's what this is about.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Torture and free speech
February 19, 2009 - 10:56 ET by szampLibs are against torture only when it is convenient for them. This is exactly how they think about free speech. It's only good when it's on their side.
Avoid the words "Dick" and "Armitage" at all costs
February 19, 2009 - 12:16 ET by krendlerThe words "Dick" and "Armitage" are always avoided at all costs during any of the loonbat "we must send dick cheney straight to hell" discussions. Amusing to watch.
They did the same thing during the unintentionally funny Valerie Plame hearings. There must have been an unwritten understanding, during the course of 6 hours of Dick Cheney bashing, that no one - NO ONE! - was to utter either the word "Dick" (unless it was immediately followed by the word "Cheney") or "Armitage".
→ Thanks krendler
February 19, 2009 - 12:20 ET by Cool ArrowBut shouldn't you always carry armitage around just in case you get lucky?
Otherwise, you might get the other "word we can't mention", infected?
Torture
February 19, 2009 - 12:52 ET by jdubyaListening to Matthews is like water-boarding. Especially if you are stuck in a waiting room at Jiffy Lube and have no way to change the channel.
Do you think that if Matthews were to be subjected to coffee colonics, he might reveal why he had a "tingle" up his leg?
Mathews
February 19, 2009 - 15:00 ET by jessieHJessie R. Hamby Mathews is an idiot. I don't watch idiots................Oh, except for congress. We have to watch congress, just the same as watching a daycare.
I suggest we water-board
February 19, 2009 - 15:39 ET by IamTinmanI suggest we water-board Chris Mathews because, well just because.
Chrissie
February 20, 2009 - 01:25 ET by ToddonCapeCodTruth obviously means nothing to Chrissie Matthews.
It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame, ya dumb turd