ABC's Cokie Roberts denounced as “irresponsible” conservative opposition to the “stimulus” bill and suggested those who voted against it should be punished, declaring on Sunday's This Week: “I just think that when you're in a situation like this, to do nothing is so irresponsible that you can't, you can't get away with it.”
Earlier on the show, host George Stephanopoulos pressed Congresswoman Maxine Waters to agree banks must be nationalized: “A lot of economists now saying that what is really -- could be needed is bite the bullet nationalization.” Citing a professor's op-ed, “Nationalize the Banks! We're all Swedes Now,” Stephanopoulos recited the argument “we should just do what they did when they faced their crisis. They nationalized the banks and they came out of it okay.” When the far-left House member resisted -- “I don't think that we're ready to move to the point of a formalized, nationalized banking program yet” -- Stephanopoulos pleaded: “Even if it's the only thing that would work?”
George Will criticized the Roberts formulation as “the fallacy of a false alternative” since “there are lots of things that could have been done that weren't and lots of things that are done in this bill that shouldn't be done.” Sam Donaldson then jumped in to support Roberts' take: “So the big rolling stone following Indiana Jones is coming down. And somebody says 'let's go to the left and escape it.' And someone says, 'that's the wrong direction, let's go to the right.' Do you just sit there? No, you go to the left if that's what the majority wants to do.” Yes, let's all jump off the cliff in bipartisan harmony.
Roberts, however, despite her castigation of Republican opponents as people who shouldn't be allowed to “get away” with their “irresponsible” vote, conceded: “There's no reason for Republicans who feel that they ideologically, philosophically are against this kind of spending to go along with it just in the name of bipartisanship. That would be voting against their principles.”
The February 15 Washington Post “Outlook” section piece, “Nationalize the Banks! We're all Swedes Now,” by Matthew Richardson and Nouriel Roubini, “professors at New York University's Stern School of Business, contributed to the upcoming book Restoring Financial Stability: How to Repair a Failed System.”
From the February 15 This Week on ABC, a panel with Waters, Senators Lindsey Graham and Chuck Schumer, plus Congressman Peter King:
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: A lot of economists now saying that what is really -- could be needed is bite the bullet nationalization. Nouriel Roubini, one of the men who saw the crisis coming said nationalization's the answer in today's Washington Post. President Obama says no.PRESIDENT OBAMA ON ABC ON TUESDAY: Sweden has a different set of cultures in terms of how the government relates to markets and America's different. And we want to retain a strong sense of private capital fulfilling the core investment needs of this country.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Congresswoman Waters, Mr. Roubini and others say we're all Swedes now, that we should just do what they did when they faced their crisis. They nationalized the banks and they came out of it okay.
CONGRESSWOMAN MAXINE WATERS: George, as you know, the word "nationalization" scares the hell out of people. And so the debate has ben opened up now and that's good. Let's talk about it, we know that as we have this capital infusion into these banks, we're owning more and more of them. Citibank, it's probably almost nationalized with the amount of money that we've put in it, but I don't think that we're ready to move to the point of a formalized, nationalized banking program yet.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Even if it's the only thing that would work?
WATERS: Well we may get to that point and I'm not opposed to that. But I think the discussion is just opening up. This is new for America.
(Obama's comment on nationalizing banks was prompted by ABC reporter Terry Moran's question: “There are a lot of economists who look at these banks and they say all that garbage that's in them renders them essentially insolvent. Why not just nationalize the banks?” That exchange aired on Tuesday's Nightline. More in the NB item, “ABC's Moran: Obama 'Too Nice,' Empathizes: 'You Got No Honeymoon.'”)
From the roundtable:
COKIE ROBERTS: And the extension of unemployment benefits. The extension of health care for the unemployed. The addition to Medicaid for the states. All of that is just money on the table immediately. And I just think that when you're in a situation like this, to do nothing is so irresponsible that you can't, you can't get away with it.GEORGE WILL: But that is the fallacy of a false alternative and the President's been wielding it promiscuously, frankly. He says it's either this or nothing. That's just not true. There are lots of things that could have been done that weren't and lots of things that are done in this bill that shouldn't be done. And we're having a healthy argument.
SAM DONALDSON: Yeah but George you're right, no doubt, but that's the bill we had. So the question was, do you at the end of the day vote for the bill?
WILL: Of course not.
DONALDSON: Oh, of course not. Let me just say. So the big rolling stone following Indiana Jones is coming down. And somebody says “let's go to the left and escape it.” And someone says, “that's the wrong direction, let's go to the right.” Do you just sit there? No, you go to the left if that's what the majority wants to do.
STEPHANOPOULOS: George, you bring up the point where you call it a healthy argument and Peter King was making a similar point. Let me bring this to you, Cokie, for all the civility in the world, for all the cocktail parties in the world, these differences are just too big to bridge?
ROBERTS: Absolutely, that's right. There's no reason for Republicans who feel that they ideologically, philosophically are against this kind of spending to go along with it just in the name of bipartisanship. That would be voting against their principles and voting against what they think is right for the country. So I think that's where you are. You've got parties that really do disagree...
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





STEPHANOPOULOS: Congresswoman Waters, Mr. Roubini and others say we're all Swedes now, that we should just do what they did when they faced their crisis. They nationalized the banks and they came out of it okay.
DONALDSON: Oh, of course not. Let me just say. So the big rolling stone following Indiana Jones is coming down. And somebody says “let's go to the left and escape it.” And someone says, “that's the wrong direction, let's go to the right.” Do you just sit there? No, you go to the left if that's what the majority wants to do. 














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This was just a capper to everyone's Sunday.
February 16, 2009 - 01:09 ET by thebutlerdiditBetween everyone being blase' about nationalizing the banks, and Donalson's analogies, Cokie is pulling the whole bi-polar act. Then,Maxine Waters is sitting there like the fat cat with a big ol huge canary in her mouth, so excited she finally is getting some of that social, socializ, taking over of the banks. Graham ,who recently retrieved his testicles from his desk drawer, evidently forgot them today for the show. And a good time was had by all, inside the Beltway. Sounds about right. Excuse me, I need to go wipe the blood out of my eyes.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi.... That sums up
February 16, 2009 - 01:17 ET by bigtimertbdi....
That sums up exactly how that show was today, well, what I could stand to watch of it anyway.
The circus was back in town today full-force.
I forced myself to watch it between my fingers.
February 16, 2009 - 01:27 ET by thebutlerdiditCause if that fright show doesn't scare you, nothing will. My husband also said I was not being a very nice person, nor was my language very lady-like during the program.I think I may be banned from watching it, again. BT, the chum chum chuminess of all the "friends" back together again! Yeah! I have to say though, I will never be able to look at Waters again w/o seeing the chick from The Onion. When she does the "Money Hole" skit, her resemblance to Maxine is uncanny. My mild mannered hubby doesn't watch politics. He says he already knows the ending, so why watch the show?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
tbdi... LOL...Sounds like
February 16, 2009 - 01:38 ET by bigtimertbdi...
LOL...Sounds like your husband and mine have a lot in common with your last line...
...yet mine comes home and always wants me to fill him on the latest politically.
Go figure. ;-)
BT
February 16, 2009 - 01:46 ET by thebutlerdiditMine too. Except, we both work from home, most of the time we spend the whole day in the same room, we have a office/bedroom/bathroom suite, and we end up in here all day together. I wear head phones all day. That way, he can watch stuff like Maverick if he isn't busy. We just hang out with 5 telephones, 2 laptops and a fax between us. LOL. Hopefully, if Obama doesn't finish off the steel business and economy totally, we actually might get some phone calls.......stay tuned/ What does your hubby do? Are you home making, or home working?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
You didn't mention the best
February 16, 2009 - 07:41 ET by motherbeltYou didn't mention the best part....Chuckie Schumer smiling and nodding when Maxine said "We may get to that point...." (nationalizing the banks).... there is nothing he would like better....
I cannot watch those infomercials any more....it's all I can do to watch the clips posted here on NB; soon I may not even be able to do that!
I have to say that the thing that pi$$es me off more than anything is the fact that George (even if it's the only way???) Stephanopoulos is still considered any kind of a journalist!
"The only way." I love it.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
We really shouldn't be emulating France
February 16, 2009 - 01:18 ET by UnsaneAh, yes. Bank nationalization. It worked so GREAT in France back in the early 1980s...
Oh wait...the French have been mired in 9-10% unemployment (for that and other reasons) since that point in time. Never mind...
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! THE HOLOCAUST OF THOUGHT IS DAWNING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Hey folks...Cokie has it
February 16, 2009 - 01:19 ET by bigtimerHey folks...Cokie has it all figured out!
Boy, don't know about you, but I feel all better now.
Roberts, Shumer, Kennedy et
February 16, 2009 - 07:38 ET by nadadhimmiRoberts, Shumer, Kennedy et al and of course "the savior" have an answer for all the dissenters, anti-socialist and reactionaries and American insurgents against the currant regime. It's the Gulag and Solchenitsyn would recognize it immediately. As Roberts says: They can't get away with it. Sounds like Beria to me!!
Doing nothing...
February 16, 2009 - 01:24 ET by Robert17was the only responsible thing. Recessions cure themselves. Cokie Roberts is a dingbat.
Cokie Roberts
February 16, 2009 - 07:36 ET by Sergeant ROCKI was going to say dumb@ss, but that'll do.
Has anyone wondered why the MSM is not even trying to hide their bias and socialist ways anymore? I suspect that most of our fears about current events are well founded. Meaning that the MSM is confident that democRAT's power grab will be successful and we can get down to the business of building the socialist utopia that they've always dreamed about.
I don't know of any other way to explain it. Call it the 'audacity of Marx'.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Whenever viewing Liberal media, remember THIS...
February 16, 2009 - 01:40 ET by SlyrrFans of Dr. Who will see the similarities between the power-mad and megalomaniacal villain 'Davros' and a certain female 'journalist' who for some reason still gets front row in the White House press room...
http://home.comcast.net/~gregfisk/helen00.jpg
The woman really is a bitter, shrivelled and spiteful old toad who should have retired about forty years ago....
Well at least she and her 'husband' share similar interests of peace through genocide....
Davros, is not a villian
February 16, 2009 - 02:33 ET by Dan The Man 2Davros, is not a villian but is power mad and wants to dominate the universe. Creator of the most evil destructive beings in existance .. The Daleks. Yep perhaps we are the Kaleds and dont know it. Tom Baker is teh best Doctor.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan -- glad you like
February 16, 2009 - 06:39 ET by Jack BauerDan -- glad you like Tom.
I contracted him once as a Voice Over artist in a radio ad I'd written He's a real pro, very nice in a semi-pompus sort of way. And from my home town.
"Davros, is not a villian
February 16, 2009 - 08:48 ET by Slyrr"Davros, is not a villian but is power mad and wants to dominate the universe....."
Some might say that's the quintessential essence of a 'villain' :)
But you're right in the sense that the people who are villains don't THINK they're villains - they think everyone else is for opposing them. In "Genesis of the Daleks" Davros raved that the Daleks, once they became the dominant species by exterminating or enslaving the galaxy, would 'bring peace'. And that way, wars would end and therefore they were the power not of evil, but of good.
Hark how the looney left is sounding just like him.....
So the big rolling stone
February 16, 2009 - 02:17 ET by KevroySo the big rolling stone following Indiana Jones is coming down. And
somebody says 'let's go to the left and escape it.' And someone says,
'that's the wrong direction, let's go to the right.' Do you just sit
there? No, you go to the left if that's what the majority wants to do.”
Not me , Sammy, I go to the right and then laugh my ass off as the big rolling stone crushes the morons that ran to the left. "Told ya so..."
What is irresponsible is piling on to the $65.5 Trillion...
February 16, 2009 - 02:35 ET by R D Helm...that this nation is already in hock for, right now, today.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Instant analysis
February 16, 2009 - 02:37 ET by KC MulvilleAs usual, the pundits sprint to the decision as it's framed by politicians (and in the media, by liberal politicians) without considering the full range of possibilities. That's the power of the executive - he gets to frame the debate. And Obama used it, as Will said, to frame the debate as a choice between his program and complete ruin.
But the president's prerogative to frame the debate is only for the beginning. If the opposition can hold out long enough, and they can shine a spotlight on the weaknesses that the president doesn't want you to see (i.e., adversarial debate), then the frame can break free from the president. Then it's anybody's game.
That has to be the political method for the Republicans for the next four years: (1) withstand the Media / Obama Wave, which will come furiously for every issue ... you know, the immediate PR job ... but (2) shine the spotlight on the weaknesses. If Obama has a good idea, it'll still be good after the spinning stops, and it'll survive the spotlight. OK, if he has a good idea, we'll happily endorse it for the good of the country. But not until.
Cocaine Roberts
February 16, 2009 - 02:57 ET by Jebsterhey Cokie, you can kiss my arse.
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Prepare for the coming revolution
You know it's REALLY bad when...
February 16, 2009 - 03:02 ET by gopcongress...Maxine Waters, of all people, has to chide Georgie boy that "nationalism scares the hell out of people." Talk about the pot calling the kettle a real dark color.
Moderate... Democrat... Liberal... Progressive... Socialist... Communist.
The progression is clear as day.
Stephanie really needs to
February 16, 2009 - 04:23 ET by semolina_filcherStephanie really needs to shut his/her pie hole. Nationalize banks now? If that isn't socialism, what is? What is wrong with these people, sheesh....?
Next thing you know, WaMu becomes Public Bank no. 1, Wells Fargo becomes Public Bank No. 147. Idiots, these libs are!
Cokie's on Coke
February 16, 2009 - 04:25 ET by RpeggioObama's been trying to pin that 'we can't just do nothing' label on anyone not bowing to him and bending over for Pelosi to pass this pork bill. The Republicans don't want to do nothing, they want more immediate stimulus, not money for STD studies and 30M for marshes in SF Bay to save the salt marsh harvest mouse, and money for frisbee fields and dog parks....on and on wasteful spending. Not only is there no Defense spending in this bill, he's cut the Defense budget by 10% already for 2009. Unreal. I hope this stimulus works but I can't see how it could....but I surely know the Dems and liberal media will blame Bush til they die and blame the Republicans somehow if it fails...they'll say they should have spent more on salt marsh harvest mice and STD studies etc....makes little sense but that's their argument, you can hear them crafting their escape clause argument on TV already.
The GOP didn't bow down to Obama like the Obamabot's are doing.
February 16, 2009 - 07:00 ET by WorriedCokie Roberts, another Obamabot trying to convince what few viewers watch her, the GOP planned to do nothing. She's trying to give her messiah a boost by claiming the GOP is not reaching out to Obama like he was reaching out to them. Do you mean go along with his agenda to screw the country, Cokie?
when the extent of your research for your position...
February 16, 2009 - 07:33 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...is listening to dimocrat talking points, how can you have anything resembling a balanced argument? the rnc website plainly states, "Republicans have a better solution: an economic recovery plan that lets families and small businesses keep more of what they earn. By our analysis, the Republican plan would create 6.2 million jobs, twice the number created under the Democrats' plan, at half the cost." of course, roberts and the other dimocrat pets don't want the public to know that republicans attempted to present this plan to "the one" and he wouldn't even hear it! as i have posted in previous threads, it is not now and never has been about what is good for america; it is all about "i won" and showing us who is boss!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
another idiotic MSM statement
February 16, 2009 - 07:38 ET by i was just thinking"to do nothing is so irresponsible"
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do it.
That seems to be the attitude.
All cats have 4 legs. My dog has 4 legs. Therefore, my dog must be a cat.
And if it fails
February 16, 2009 - 07:44 ET by motherbeltAnd if it fails spectacularly, they can always fall back on the liberal refrain....At least we tried!!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
or that other very popular favorite:
February 16, 2009 - 07:46 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion"we inherited this mess; it's bush's fault!"
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Thank you, Brent, for
February 16, 2009 - 07:45 ET by Andrew H.Thank you, Brent, for watching and providing an analysis of what the government run/enabling media say--those of us who won't tune in have to know what the enemies of freedom are doing.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
The Rules
February 16, 2009 - 07:57 ET by eaglewingz08The Rules Liberals/Democraps have lived by since 1966:
First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue a black man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.
In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.
The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.
The authors noted that the number of Americans subsisting on welfare -- about 8 million, at the time -- probably represented less than half the number who were technically eligible for full benefits. They proposed a "massive drive to recruit the poor onto the welfare rolls." Cloward and Piven calculated that persuading even a fraction of potential welfare recipients to demand their entitlements would bankrupt the system. The result, they predicted, would be "a profound financial and political crisis" that would unleash "powerful forces … for major economic reform at the national level."
Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of "a federal program of income redistribution," in the form of a guaranteed living income for all -- working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act. This was an example of what are commonly called Trojan Horse movements -- mass movements whose outward purpose seems to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real objective is to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers; to mobilize poor people en masse to overwhelm government agencies with a flood of demands beyond the capacity of those agencies to meet. The flood of demands was calculated to break the budget, jam the bureaucratic gears into gridlock, and bring the system crashing down. Fear, turmoil, violence and economic collapse would accompany such a breakdown -- providing perfect conditions for fostering radical change. That was the theory.
Cloward and Piven recruited a militant black organizer named George Wiley to lead their new movement. In the summer of 1967, Wiley founded the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO). His tactics closely followed the recommendations set out in Cloward and Piven's article. His followers invaded welfare offices across the United States -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. By 1969, NWRO claimed a dues-paying membership of 22,500 families, with 523 chapters across the nation.
Regarding Wiley's tactics, The New York Times commented on September 27, 1970, "There have been sit-ins in legislative chambers, including a United States Senate committee hearing, mass demonstrations of several thousand welfare recipients, school boycotts, picket lines, mounted police, tear gas, arrests - and, on occasion, rock-throwing, smashed glass doors, overturned desks, scattered papers and ripped-out phones."These methods proved effective. "The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley's wildest dreams," writes Sol Stern in the City Journal. "From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city's private economy."As a direct result of its massive welfare spending, New York City was forced to declare bankruptcy in 1975. The entire state of New York nearly went down with it. The Cloward-Piven strategy had proved its effectiveness.
The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements. Both Cloward and Piven attended the White House signing of the bill as guests of President Clinton.
Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a 1997 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."
Cloward and Piven never again revealed their intentions as candidly as they had in their 1966 article. Even so, their activism in subsequent years continued to rely on the tactic of overloading the system. When the public caught on to their welfare scheme, Cloward and Piven simply moved on, applying pressure to other sectors of the bureaucracy, wherever they detected weakness.
In 1982, partisans of the Cloward-Piven strategy founded a new "voting rights movement," which purported to take up the unfinished work of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Like ACORN, the organization that spear-headed this campaign, the new "voting rights" movement was led by veterans of George Wiley's welfare rights crusade. Its flagship organizations were Project Vote and Human SERVE, both founded in 1982. Project Vote is an ACORN front group, launched by former NWRO organizer and ACORN co-founder Zach Polett. Human SERVE was founded by Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, along with a former NWRO organizer named Hulbert James.
All three of these organizations -- ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE -- set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with "dead wood" -- invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people -- thus opening the door to the unprecedented levels of voter fraud and "voter disenfranchisement" claims that followed in subsequent elections.
The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.
Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute and his "Shadow Party," through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left's most ambitious campaigns.
Well I suppose since
February 16, 2009 - 08:12 ET by MidAmericaWell I suppose since obama put a tax cheat as head of the Treasury Department he can find a bank embezzler to run the nationalized banks.
It's Already Done!
February 16, 2009 - 08:39 ET by Tyler DurbinSome might argue that the government has already effectively nationalized banks. With all the regulation and mandates currently in place, bankers really don’t have that much autonomy.
The federal Government is partially responsible for the current banking crisis by requiring (or encouraging) otherwise sound-minded bankers to make irresponsible loans. George Stuff-a-sock-in-it never seems to acknowledge this point.
"Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience."
Yep Tyler
February 16, 2009 - 10:20 ET by general companyAnd if you ask me, this was their plan all along. Unfortunately Bush was unable to thwart the plan years ago, so he felt the need to do something he could get supported. The Dems would not allow the restructuring, and correcting of FM&FM, but were fully supportive with the Bailout. I believe they wanted the economy to fail, 1st to get Obama elected 2nd to turn our country into a grab bag of handouts so the Dems can keep control.
When the Repubs rebound in 10, and start blocking Obama's spending spree, the Dems will be out in force using the old media telling the folks how the Repubs are taking things from them. Until the folks get educated about what the Gov is doing this will continue.
Ask your friends and neighbors to start paying attention, you dont need to try to convince them to be conservative, common sense will do that for you.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
For what it's worth
February 16, 2009 - 09:07 ET by Prester JohnI was at well known book store yesterday and at the front with all the BHO paraphenalia there was a small, light blue book entitled:
BARACK OBAMA The Inaugural Address, 2009
It included the following speeches:
• Barack Obama, Inaugural Address, 2009
• Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address, 1865
• Abraham Lincoln, The Gettysburg Address, 1863
• Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, 1861
• Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance, 1841
I'm sure next year we will have "2009: President Obama's Greatest Speeches", soon to be followed by "President Obama's Rules to Live By", "If You Ain't Hurtin' You Ain't Paying Enough Taxes" (co-authored by Tim Geithner and Tom Daschle) etc etc, all of course to be in audio editions so you can have BHO 24/7.
And back in the Politics section you could find fresh copies of Alinsky's book.
Oh, meanwhile Hillary gave the NORKs a real stern warning "to live up to its commitments to dismantle its nuclear programs".
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090216/D96CLPQ00.html
I'm sure the NORKs were impressed.
I just found that MyWay
February 16, 2009 - 09:48 ET by motherbeltI just found that MyWay piece on Hillary on Drudge.
While I was reading it, I was thinking: Yeah, I'm sure they'll listen to her just like they listened to her husband.....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! SAYS COKIE THE ANDROID
February 16, 2009 - 09:47 ET by political mavenWe are so screwed.
Hard hitting news reporting from CBS
February 16, 2009 - 09:54 ET by Prester JohnThis morning the new summary is talking about the stimulus package of course. Mentions how Republicans (there was a sound bite of King(?) from NY) are complaining they had no input. The rebuttal? Maxine Waters saying, "That's not true". Then they move on to the next item.
Amazing.
As an astute commentator on the human condition, Cokie...
February 16, 2009 - 10:11 ET by ThalpyAs an astute commentator on the human condition, Cokie should know better. Cokie is a native of Louisiana and should recognize a patronage scheme when she sees it. After all, Louisiana, with the exception of Chicago, has the pre-eminent patronage system in America. This "stimulus" bill is itself irresponsible and Cokie should recognize it as such.
"As an astute commentator on
February 16, 2009 - 10:17 ET by rimsky"As an astute commentator on the human condition"
Wow, that's really generous. And couldn't it just be possible that the reason she doesn't "know better" is because she's bought into the socialistic lies lock, stock and smokin' barrel?
You're correct. It's a stretch for sure.
February 16, 2009 - 14:06 ET by ThalpyYou're correct. It's a stretch for sure. This stimulus bill is nothing if it doesn't demand unending love and affection from any who receive the money. Total allegiance and Democrat votes will be owed to Obama and company--forever.
Any time STEPHANOPOULOS
February 16, 2009 - 10:11 ET by rimskyAny time STEPHANOPOULOS opens his mouth, it makes me think of those morning bull sessions between he and his buddies, Rahm, James, and whoever else. So, they must have decided that it was time to step up the inculcation of bank nationalization into the national psyche. Bastards!
Creating a variation on an
February 16, 2009 - 11:53 ET by motherbeltCreating a variation on an old quote:
Every word that comes out of his mouth is biased. Including "and" and "the."
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
i'm waiting for Carl Rove
February 16, 2009 - 12:02 ET by botgi'm waiting for Carl Rove to get his own unbiased MTP show just like Steffy......
the mere fact that Georgie has his own "unbiased" show is one of the most blatent examples of ongoing media bias
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Revolution
February 16, 2009 - 10:34 ET by cvgbuckeyeThere is no longer any question in my mind. America is going to be backed into a corner by Marxists until armed revolution takes place for us to be able to restore freedom. It is no longer a question of if but when. I fear that we will be forced into it sooner rather than later
All of the elements have been falling into place for some time now. All that was needed was a Black Theologian to be placed in the White House, which became the fuse that lit the dynamite.
Mix that in with a democrat party that has been moving towards Marist/Socialism and a MSM that has already been there for years. For a long time, the MSM and the democrats would deny their desire for Marxism but with the coronation of Chairman Obama, they harbor fear no longer and are unashamedly content to be open about it.
I know where my heart belongs and it will stay there: God, Duty, Honor, Country.
Got this email this AM:
February 16, 2009 - 10:48 ET by misterbillObama funds $20M tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA
This is the news that didn't make the headlines...
By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.
A review of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:
* His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.
* His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.
* He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.
* He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.
* He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11.
* Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.
To verify for yourself: www.thefederalregist...
PLEASE PASS THIS ON...AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW
RE: Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle in US
ww.wizbangblog.com ^ | Feb 7,2009 | Kim Priestap
Just when
February 16, 2009 - 19:01 ET by sdanI think I can't get any more appalled by this guy. I thought we were fighting terrorists not importing them.
thanks for the info and the link, misterbill
February 16, 2009 - 19:21 ET by clinging to my guns and my religioni sent that to everyone in my email address book. unfortunately, it's "preaching to the choir", but if just one of them passes it to someone with left leanings, it will have been worth that little bit of effort!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
misterb... Hey thank you
February 16, 2009 - 19:32 ET by bigtimermisterb...
Hey thank you for that link, my neighbor sent me a link that pertained to this also...the msm of course remains silent.
Fighting the enemy within...and elsewhere...we always have been, it is now just ratched up, and the majority of americans don't know a thing...and I do wonder if they would care at times.
I'm passing that link on also.
Btw...it is just like the links I and others have put in here regarding his illegal foreign money from these very groups etc. and the rest of this country looked the other way.
God help us all.
*What* Changed?
February 16, 2009 - 10:44 ET by krendlerWhat's with the need for massive change in our economic system all the sudden?
What's with the government needing to "stimulate" and "take control and manage" a system that, even with it's ups and downs, has been a shining example to the rest of the world for the better part of a century? A free market can accomplish some truly amazing things when you allow it to work.
Seems like the genesis of our current problems was the RECENT housing market collapse and the credit crisis. And what precipitated that? (eh, Maxine?).
Also, things aren't as bad now as they were in 1981. Don't remember it taking a trillion $ spending bill to get us out of that downturn.
Can't believe we have complete simpletons like Maxine Waters (good grief!) involved in this process, let alone calling the shots. It's time for Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and other notable business leaders to step up and read these clowns the riot act. e.g., Dear govt: Please don't "fix" our economy. You've done enough "fixing" as it is.
Cokie--
February 16, 2009 - 10:45 ET by misterbillCokie -- and her Prince Consort do not live in the same world with 90% of Americans. They do not have a clue as to what it means to struggle to get by. They are both Open Borders advocates and pro-illegal immigration liberals.
When the second revolution comes--these are the kind of people who need to learn how to live with deprivation. A good lesson in life. How about we have their column written by an illegal????
truly disturbing
February 16, 2009 - 11:06 ET by JIMMY1660this pork bill- voted on and passed by the communists -was never read. how can one vote on something that you have no idea what it is? let the buyer beware.
and now you want the same guys 9BARNEY FRANK-CHRIS DODD-FRANK RAINES TYPES)to run the banks, the ones who stole Social Security Funds, the ones who leave office as millionaires on a $169,000.00 per year salary.Thieves running the banks, after we watched the Veterans Adm. be taken down by these same thieves. bureaucrats have never done anything but steal from the American tax payers.
Have we lost our great nation to these nitwits?
allow me to Love America
And, as usual, George uses
February 16, 2009 - 11:23 ET by celatorAnd, as usual, George uses the old...
“A lot of economists now saying that what is really -- could be needed is bite the bullet nationalization."
He names one economist who says that.
And, of course, George names NO economist who is saying that "nationalization" of the banks spells economic disaster. Must not be any such critter in Georgetown. Not one. Nope.
You guys watch too many talkshows...
February 16, 2009 - 11:26 ET by JRJ08I don't like any of these talking heads. Especially Donaldson. But, in this case, Roberts was right. A lot of this ongoing economic problem involves a crisis in consumer confidence. A divided, bickering government, with one side insisting that the other's plan will spell doom for the world as we know it, is grossly irresponsible. But, what is even worse, is when a political party decides to vote en masse against a bill just so they can have a campaign slogan in the next election. Most Republicans knew this bill had to pass because the work force was hemorrhaging, especially in a lot of states that were formerly "red". But they also knew it would pass with or without their votes. So they formed their pathetic little cabal, voted against the bill, and are now attacking it because it has too much spending. You can't get more predictable than this. The next election is going to show exactly how stupid this strategy was.
jrj
February 16, 2009 - 11:41 ET by botg"You are a pundamaniac in a field of Strawmen"
--------------------------------George Will to Sam Donaldson
Example
February 16, 2009 - 11:52 ET by cvgbuckeyeComrade JRJ08:
Please provide ONE example of ONE job ever created by government. Then, please provide the tree that the money was picked off to "create" this job.
Then go and re-read your bible "The Communist Manifesto" for your pleasure and enjoyment; that is right after you are done with "Orwell's 1984"
Cokie
February 16, 2009 - 12:29 ET by rpeeler42I liked Cokie's daddy, but Cokie did not inherit his common sense.She says the Repulicans should be penalized for their vote against the "socialization of America bill". I believe it is the left wing socialist party that should be thrown out of office as soon as possible.How about voting for a bill that you have no clue what is inside it. Cokie please try not to act so stupid.
RPeeler42
OK, Georgy Boy, let's begin
February 16, 2009 - 12:45 ET by RR GOPOK, Georgy Boy, let's begin this new era of share-and-share-alike by you and I turning our respective banking accounts into joint accounts with each other.
And then I will do the same with George Soros, Bill Gates...
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Where we where we are going
February 16, 2009 - 16:10 ET by Robert S LaRueAll the folks you are watching on the MSM shows are nearly all rich enough that they will survive under any government system that does not go in and confiscate the money they have stashed away. They will be the privileged class no matter what. So they can all try to sound noble helping the have-nots because they are the wealthy haves. So now that they have it changing the rules is okay with them. They no longer have to protect the values and system that got them to where they are. They no longer have to support America and the American way of life that has worked for 200 plus years. There is not even an effort by most of our citizens to understand it anymore. The price of Liberty has always been Eternal Vigilance and that was marginalized and destroyed by the culture that is at work now and has never stopped while we have been asleep at the wheel. This culture has reached its’ critical mass and It will be a daunting task to reverse it. Look around at your friends, neighbors, extended families. It as if the “Pod People” have taken over their bodies. There are 68 million of these creatures out there confirmed by vote, there are 58 million Americans out there confirmed by vote. One can only hope that of approximately 30 million uncommitted voters that enough would join for America and not against and that the momentum could be reversed. I am not optimistic that the leaders or even more so the necessary leaders in the right places exist to reverse the momentum anytime soon. Only if a total disaster comes up that clearly can be attributed to the other side and clearly seen by a huge majority of the 68 million zombies as such the America of the past is gone forever. What is happening is truly an "obominanition."
Speaking of Porkulus, we only know of one Trojan horse...
February 16, 2009 - 19:42 ET by R D Helm...which is the stealth government takeover of our nation's health care system.
I wonder if, or should I say, how many other little freedom-destroying surprises are buried deep within that hideous bill?
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Socialism VS United States...?
February 17, 2009 - 01:25 ET by Charles H. GarridoHello! Feb 17 12:40 AM
To all respect...yes I'm sick. Irresponsible you have real "Socialism" & "Comunism" Mr.Stephanopoulos, Mrs.Waters, Mrs.Pelosi & Mr. Lewitt and including your's Mrs. Cokie Roberts. First we are not Afraid or Intimidation nor Harrasment. Arrogant "even media bias" Culture vs history.("current english)" you have no body to mind and spirit by training your experience. First FREE SPEECH and Second my HOME IS MY CASTLE we defend yesterday, today and tomorrow.- This Republic (USA) and we are conservatives. Your Administration is advocating elimination of private property, doctrine based on revolutionary socialism (Marxian- Leninism) taking such as Banks, Industries,General Motors , Aviation Industry, Schools Privates, Workers,"what goes around comes around".QUOTE: Mrs. Margaret Thatcher: (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's Money).- I'm old I being there.. you will see this administration within soon your TURMOIL, look at your "new words" (Infratructure and Stimulos).- During our President NIXON problems were nothing. The following: "History will repeat"..... this time is our watch "clock" will be the worst.... Republic "Capitalism" VS Socialism.- "Grounds for Impeachment" Impeachable conduct need not criminal" ..With that advice, a staff report set the stage for a wide-open inquiry--and partisan dispute.-(U.S. NEWS World Report.- March, 04/1974 .-
Thanks & Cooperation.
Charles H. Garrido
Socialism VS United States...?
February 17, 2009 - 01:31 ET by Charles H. GarridoHello! Feb 17 12:40 AM
To all respect...yes I'm sick. Irresponsible you have real "Socialism" & "Comunism" Mr.Stephanopoulos, Mrs.Waters, Mrs.Pelosi & Mr. Lewitt and including your's Mrs. Cokie Roberts. First we are not Afraid or Intimidation nor Harrasment. Arrogant "even media bias" Culture vs history.("current english)" you have no body to mind and spirit by training your experience. First FREE SPEECH and Second my HOME IS MY CASTLE we defend yesterday, today and tomorrow.- This Republic (USA) and we are conservatives. Your Administration is advocating elimination of private property, doctrine based on revolutionary socialism (Marxian- Leninism) taking such as Banks, Industries,General Motors , Aviation Industry, Schools Privates, Workers,"what goes around comes around".QUOTE: Mrs. Margaret Thatcher: (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's Money).- I'm old I being there.. you will see this administration within soon your TURMOIL, look at your "new words" (Infratructure and Stimulos).- During our President NIXON problems were nothing. The following: "History will repeat"..... this time is our watch "clock" will be the worst.... Republic "Capitalism" VS Socialism.- "Grounds for Impeachment" Impeachable conduct need not criminal" ..With that advice, a staff report set the stage for a wide-open inquiry--and partisan dispute.-(U.S. NEWS World Report.- March, 04/1974 .-
Thanks & Cooperation.
Charles H. Garrido
Miami Fla.-