60 Minutes viewers got better economic rationality Sunday night from President-elect Barack Obama than from the journalist who interviewed him. CBS's Steve Kroft proposed: “People are comparing this to 1932. Is that a valid comparison, do you think?” Obama didn't accept the comparison: “Well, keep in mind that 1932, 1933 the unemployment rate was 25 percent, inching up to 30 percent. You had a third of the country that was ill housed, ill clothed...” But Kroft wouldn't let go of trying to paint the America of 2008 as dire as 1932. Eight minutes later in the interview, when Obama related how he was reading briefing papers and had read about Abraham Lincoln putting political rivals in his cabinet, Kroft returned to the Depression: “Have you been reading anything about the Depression? Anything about FDR?”
In between in the generally light and friendly interview centered on getting Obama to outline his plans, Kroft cued up Obama to reiterate his campaign promises, such as: “How high a priority are you placing on re-regulation of the financial markets?” Kroft also pressed Obama to say whether he will “take early action” to issue executive orders “to shutdown Guantanamo Bay” and “change interrogation methods that are used by U.S. troops?”
Some portions of the interview, taped Friday in Chicago, with Obama (which, along with segments with both Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, consumed the entire November 16 edition of 60 Minutes):
KROFT: People are comparing this to 1932.OBAMA: Right.
KROFT: Is that a valid comparison, do you think?
OBAMA: Well, keep in mind that 1932, 1933 the unemployment rate was 25 percent, inching up to 30 percent. You had a third of the country that was ill housed, ill clothed, unemployed. We're not going through something comparable to that. But I would say that this is as bad as we've seen since then. And if we don't take some significant steps then it could get worse.
....
KROFT: How high a priority are you placing on re-regulation of the financial markets?
OBAMA: I think it's a top priority.
.....
KROFT: There are a number of different things that you could do early pertaining to executive orders. One of them is to shutdown Guantanamo Bay. Another is to change interrogation methods that are used by U.S. troops. Are those things that you plan to take early action on?
OBAMA: Yes. I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I've said repeatedly that America doesn't torture. And I'm gonna make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world.
.....
KROFT: Have you been reading anything about the Depression? Anything about FDR?
OBAMA: You know, I have actually. There's a new book out about FDR's first hundred days and what you see in FDR that I hope my team can emulate, is not always getting it right, but projecting a sense of confidence, and a willingness to try things. And experiment in order to get people working again.
CBSNews.com online transcript with video to be posted at 11 PM EST Sunday night.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





KROFT: There are a number of different things that you could do early pertaining to executive orders. One of them is to shutdown Guantanamo Bay. Another is to change interrogation methods that are used by U.S. troops. Are those things that you plan to take early action on?














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obama wants to EXPERIMENT, try things, OMG
November 16, 2008 - 22:21 ET by upcountrywaterWe are not in the Depression, YET
THEN; Banks folded and took everyones SAVINGS
THEN; The gov. had money WAY BACK then.
To use on things like building dams , with untrained labor.
How about shrinking the size of gov.YEA RIGHTTT
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anyone here live
November 17, 2008 - 11:01 ET by TruthMongeranyone here live through Carter?
how about Johnson?
those who forget the past are condemned to sound like idiots
Dominate education now
Carter
November 17, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Gat New York'76 was the first election I could vote in. I started out as a Dimocrat and joined my local club. I did actual research and saw that Carter written in the past in support of J. WIlliam Fulbright in opposition to U.S. support of the Israel. My club were primarily Jews like me but the train had already left the station and they backed Carter. and so ended my brief membership with Dimocrats.
History does have a way of repeating itself. Obama is Carter on steroids. Not only is Israel going to have a rough go of it, but like Carter Obama will take an economy working its way out of a recession and create more economic turmoil than Americans have seen since Carter.
Imagine if Palin gave these answers . . .
November 16, 2008 - 22:44 ET by Gat New YorkObama: ". . . 1932, 1933 the unemployment rate was 25 percent, inching up to 30 percent."
Actually the unemployment rate had just broken 20% in 1932 and was about 22% by the end of 1933. Not 25% or inching up to 30%. In fact it never got to 24%.
Obama: " . . . But I would say that this is as bad as we've seen since then."
Unemloyment now is 6.5%.
The unemployment level at its highest during the Clinton Administration was over 7.0% and during the Carter Stagflation was over 11.0%. So I think we've seen much worse before this.
Obama: " . . . And if we don't take some significant steps then it could get worse."
Like what? Doing what FDR did during his first 100 days and send the country in recession reeling into a long term depression?
If it were Palin saying this the media would have doing immediate fact checking and calling her a moron.
You point out Obama on
November 16, 2008 - 23:27 ET by GregEYou point out Obama on unemployment....
Obama: " . . . But I would say that this is as bad as we've seen since then."
Well, the Messiah of many lemmings just said that unemployment, at 6.5% is as bad as we've seen it since the Depression. Nevermind that he's dead wrong, it makes for a nice little talking point that all the good little lemmings in America will be spouting beginning tomorrow, if they haven't already. I'm sure I'll run into one if I bring up the subject with one of em. Bunch of idiots!!!!
So, here's the new President-elect, stating this on national television for all of America to hear. Anything economically, compared to the Depression, should be stated factually.........that is, if you know what those facts are, Mr. President-elect.
Percentages can be misleading...
November 17, 2008 - 17:54 ET by JRJ08Unemployment figures are based upon the census and the estimated size of the working population. The size of the work-force in 1930 represented a considerably smaller percentage of the population than it does today (approx. 50 million workers in a population of 120 million). If you had a work-force of 50 million in 1929 and 20% of that work-force lost their jobs, that would be 10 million people out of work (unemployed went above 15 million). Today, the work-force is four times that size producing 5 times the amount of goods and services (+$550). 7% of that number is nearly 20 million people and keeping them out of soup lines requires government pay-outs-- pay-outs that didn't exist in 1929. So just because you're not selling apples from a cart and not seeing Hoovervilles springing up everywhere doesn't mean things aren't as bad.
Gat... Obama did indeed
November 17, 2008 - 01:58 ET by JerGat...
Obama did indeed partially misstate unemployment rates during the Great Depression. However, your efforts at clarification fall short.
The facts are these: During the Hoover administration, the jobless rate skyrocketed from 3.2% in 1929 to a staggering 23.6% in 1932 and topped out as FDR assumed office in 1933 at just under 25%. It was reduced each year thereafter under Roosevelt until a spike in 1938 sent the rate to 19%. While conditions improved under FDR, it is true that it took World War II to foster a comprehensive economic recovery.
It is likewise noteworthy that during the final three years of the Hoover presidency, the U.S. economy experienced a combined negative growth of an eyepopping 31.3%! (while under FDR, there was positive growth every year other than 1938). To suggest that Roosevelt transformed a Hoover "recession" into a "depression" turns reality on its head.
By the way, while the highest unemployment rate under Clinton was, as you state, slightly over 7%, you fail to mention this was what he inherited from the previous Bush administratrion. In fact, unemployment fell every single year during Clinton's two terms. I think you are likewise mistaken about the 11% figure under Carter--it actually never reached 8%. It rose to nearly 10% under Reagan in 1982 but then declined steadily over the remainder of his term.
Finally, I did not see the Obama interview nor have I seen the complete transcript, but I suspect when he said "this is as bad as we've seen since then [the Great Depression]", he was not comparing the respective unemployment rates but instead referring to overall economic exigencies. Considering the collapse of the financial and credit markets, the housing and mortgage calamities, and a domestic auto industry teetering on bankruptsy, he may very well be proved correct.
Jer
Another Carnac.......
November 17, 2008 - 05:24 ET by old croFinally, I did not see the Obama interview nor have I seen the complete
transcript, but I suspect when he said "this is as bad as we've seen
since then [the Great Depression]", he was not comparing the respective
unemployment rates but instead referring to overall economic exigencies.
What's the weather going to be at 4 o'clock today in your area?
What's the weather going to
November 17, 2008 - 11:42 ET by JerWhat's the weather going to be at 4 o'clock today in your area?
I "suspect" sunny and in the low 50's, but I could be mistaken.
Jer
→ Exigencies
November 17, 2008 - 18:16 ET by Cool ArrowHe must be referring to the urgent demands placed on us to combat anthropogenic global warming.
Well it was cloudy and 39 degrees....
November 18, 2008 - 03:43 ET by old croyou were WRONG.
Hanging out in your basement
November 18, 2008 - 21:24 ET by JerWell it was cloudy and 39 degrees...
Hanging out in your basement, o c? Maybe you should spring for a lamp and a heater.
Sunny amd 52 "in my area"...just as I predicted.
Jer
→ Jer
November 18, 2008 - 21:49 ET by Cool ArrowWelcome back.
Thanks, Cool...I've missed
November 18, 2008 - 22:15 ET by JerThanks, Cool...I've missed you guys--even the smackdowns I occasionally received.
Jer
Not what I said . . .
November 17, 2008 - 06:41 ET by Gat New York"I think you are likewise mistaken about the 11% figure under Carter--it actually never reached 8%. It rose to nearly 10% under Reagan in 1982 but then declined steadily over the remainder of his term."
While you correctly identified where Clinton's high unemployment rate came from you mistated the 11% unemployment rate I mentioned. I said, and correctly, that the 11% was under "Carter's Stagflation," which extended into Reagan's first term.
And he was referring directly to, and only to, unemployment rates:
OBAMA: "Well, keep in mind that 1932, 1933 the unemployment rate was 25 percent, inching up to 30 percent. You had a third of the country that was ill housed, ill clothed, unemployed. We're not going through something comparable to that. But I would say that this is as bad as we've seen since then. And if we don't take some significant steps then it could get worse."
So you are factually wrong in your statement that he was "instead referring to overall economic exigencies. Considering the collapse of the financial and credit markets, the housing and mortgage calamities, and a domestic auto industry teetering on bankruptsy, he may very well be proved correct."
Also in regard to you hyperpartisan hyperventilating about the economy it would be worthwhile looking at facts. The worst economy we had (and it is not even close) was Carter's Stagflation economy where not only did he get kicked out of office and left Reagan with double digit unemployment, he also left double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. Unless you have some kind of new math we are not even remotely close to those events.
As far as the mortgage mess that was a long term problem created by too much government intervention to get people mortgages for amounts they could not afford by using the the courts and equal rights. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were personal toys of Democrats on the Hill and it was Democrats and ACORN who perverted and abused their use. I do blame Bush for not pushing and forcing his legislation to reform those institutons before it was too late and using the bully pulpit. But that is a problem that will be rectified sooner than you would want people to think.
As far as the Big Three, this country has a history of well known companies coming and going. These companies have been completely mismanaged and require new and different management. The unions need to understand that this country does not owe them a living let alone the living they currently have. Bankruptcy Court will provide that. But what Dimocrats want to do is give a hand out to the auto companies - force them to get green and manage their exec pay - nothing about the unions.
Read Amity Shlaes book about the Great Depression or read her column in the New York Post today and get you facts straight.
Not so fast, Gat...
November 17, 2008 - 12:44 ET by JerRead Amity Shlaes book about the Great Depression or read her column in the New York Post today and get you facts straight.
I reviewed my post and am quite comfortable with the straightness of my facts. If Ms. Shlaes Post column is online, I'll check it out.
And he was referring directly to, and only to, unemployment rates:
And you know this...how? Because he uttered the phrase "this is as bad as we've seen..." in the same paragraph with his reference to Depression-era unemployment rates? You may be right, but I think otherwise. For one thing, it's a virtual certainty that the unemployment rate will continue to rise in the short term regardless of what the government or private sector may or may not do. I am sure Obama is aware of this and thus it would be nonsensical for him to imply significant steps could prevent it.
While you correctly identified where Clinton's high unemployment rate came from you mistated the 11% unemployment rate I mentioned. I said, and correctly, that the 11% was under "Carter's Stagflation," which extended into Reagan's first term.
a. The statistics I have seen do not reflect an 11% rate since the 1930's.
b. I realize you are loathe to associate bad economies with Republican administrations, but it would have been helpful if you had simply noted that while the highest post-war rates occurred under Reagan, they were arguably the product of Carter stagflation.
The balance of your post is opinion and advocacy--much [but not all] of which I am in agreement.
Jer
"And you know
November 17, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Gat New York"And you know this...how?"
Because he said so!! Just read the transcript.
"a. The statistics I have seen do not reflect an 11% rate since the 1930's."
Unemployment reached as high as 10.8% as a result of Carter's Stagflation. And I did initially state very carefully that it was Carter's Stagflation.
Unemployment rates always lag behind bad economic news because it is the last thing a company wants to do. Under Carter inflation was more unmanageable than it was under Ford/Nixon and was in double digits. Growth was going nowhere. And the prime rate of interest was skyrocketing every year under Carter into the mid and higher teens and reached about 20% soon after Reagan took office. The CPI rose (inflation) higher in the last two years of Carter and first year of Reagan than at anytime in post-WW II history with three consecutive double digit numbers.
For the news media to irresponsibly keep calling this the worst economy we have had since The Great Depression only makes them even less credible and tries to make us all that much more ignorant of the truth.
What Obama is about to embark on if he stays true to his word is a repeat of FDR and The New Deal which was for the most part a series of failures of government intervention and sunk us into The Great Depression. Only World War II saved us.
thank you for these corrections
November 17, 2008 - 12:20 ET by abeautifulpersonit needs to be done too often around here.
some famous quotes about statistics:
“There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up”
- Rex Stout
“Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.”
- Evan Esar
“Statistics are no substitute for judgment”
- Henry Clay
and my favourite:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
- Mark Twain
Ah, sounds like to me the
November 17, 2008 - 16:50 ET by andophiroxiaAh, sounds like to me the basis of the theory for global warming.
I wonder what the earth's ideal temperature is?
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill
Terrific post.
November 17, 2008 - 18:05 ET by JRJ08Terrific post.
"is not always getting it
November 16, 2008 - 23:04 ET by Dan Diego"is not always getting it right, but projecting a sense of confidence, and a willingness to try things." Yep, Americans will be bright and cheery standing in soup lines due to Obama's "experiments".
The cost of living's going up, and the chance of livin's going down. - Flip Wilson
when you cant dazzle them with brilliance...
November 16, 2008 - 23:09 ET by katainkentbaffle them with [projecting a sense of confidence and a willingness to try things.]
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Speed Reader
November 16, 2008 - 23:12 ET by Lee BoggsBarry must be a speed reader. I mean, with all the transition stuff, and meeting with Bush and advisors and new cabinet members and potential new cabinent members and talking to foreign leaders and conducting media interviews and national defense briefings and giving press conferences and tucking his kids in at night, who would have thought that Super O would still have time to read briefings and read about Lincoln and about the depression and about FDR?
Kroft: What are you reading right now? I mean, have…
Mr. Obama: A lot of briefing papers.
Kroft: A lot of briefing papers?
Mr. Obama: Yeah. I've been spending a lot of time reading Lincoln.
(CBS) Kroft: Have you been reading anything about the Depression? Anything about FDR?
Mr. Obama: You know, I have actually.
Yea, easy to say anything
November 16, 2008 - 23:29 ET by GregEYea, easy to say anything along those line since it's not provable and he won't be questioned. So heck, why not just pump up the ol resume and always be perceived as the smartest guy in the room...or in the messiah's case, in the entire nation.
Right. If it were a
November 16, 2008 - 23:45 ET by motherbeltRight. If it were a Republican, Kroft would have jumped in with "Really? What did you read? What did you read that influenced you? What was your impression of him from reading?" and other questions in an attempt to prove that he was lying.
Obama could have said [FDR] was a simple country boy....You might say a cockeyed optimist, who got himself
mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international
intrigue.(Cosmo Kramer)
And Steve Kroft would have nodded and swallowed it whole.
Right With You MB
November 17, 2008 - 00:54 ET by stratmanVery funny!!
Replace Billy Mumphrey with Barry O for full effect.
I knew there would be some
November 17, 2008 - 07:06 ET by motherbeltI knew there would be some Seinfeld fans out there who would get it!
LOL!
More proof that, as my son and daughter and I say, any situation in life can be related to a Seinfeld episode!!
motherbelt, One of my
November 18, 2008 - 00:02 ET by msh1973motherbelt,
One of my favorite episodes.
Amazing
November 16, 2008 - 23:58 ET by TheCynicI thought journalists were pushing the "Great Depression" angle purely because they were trying to get a Democrat elected. Once Obama got elected I fully expected them to stop.
But they're still at it. Apparently they weren't doing it because they wanted a Democrat elected, they're doing it because they are fear mongering idiots.
Not only that, the bigger
November 17, 2008 - 07:07 ET by motherbeltNot only that, the bigger the crisis, the bigger every little improvement under President Obama will be.
not done - they still need
November 17, 2008 - 11:09 ET by TruthMongernot done - they still need full government control of business to complete the communist transition
Dominate education now
Endless
November 17, 2008 - 00:03 ET by Elian GonzalezOh God, what is what these endless FDR comparisons? Why, why, why? This man hasn't done ANYTHING yet, but our Media Superstars are taxing their poor fingers with their endless scribblings about FDR. (And please, is that Time magazine cover real? Please say it's a Newsbusters joke.)
What's more, conservatives keep falling for the talking points: all I hear from that end of the political spectrum is a drumbeat of "FDR sucks! He was horrible!"
Just endless.
I was going to comment.......
November 17, 2008 - 05:27 ET by old crothat Kroft must have been taken in by this weekends captionfest, that he is spending to much time at this site.
ObamaTalk
November 17, 2008 - 00:06 ET by jaywlHis comment on torture ( I'm gonna make sure that we don't torture) caused me to blurt out "And we don't NOW! you #$@%$%." He did the same type of thing about Iraq, we are reducing troops NOW, going after Osama, we are NOW. I get so irritated when he says that he, in his supreme wisdom, will do something that is already being done, and then his listener dutifully nods his head in awe instead of saying "But Mr. Obama, the Bush Administration banned torture years ago" or "but sir, troops levels are down."
And don't forget that
November 17, 2008 - 07:09 ET by motherbeltAnd don't forget that President Bush is following his advice, and beginning to withdraw some troops!
Obama "talk"
November 17, 2008 - 08:02 ET by bolivarJaywl, this is only some more of the socialist indoctrination. Their policy and methodology is that if you state something often enough - no matter how untrue or ridiculous it is some will start to believe it. The sheeple will believe almost anything the MSM spews and will not research or check it out. Now that that one is not being called a liar and full of it we are only seeing the beginning. Just wait until they call black white and up down AND some morons will buy it!!!
Please dear readers, research everything this moron spews AND any propaganda his administration disseminates. You will find the Stalinesque methodology and groupthink, governmentspeak and just plain lies.
FDR made the depression
November 17, 2008 - 00:25 ET by mattmFDR made the depression worse.
In 1929, after the crash, Hoover enacted a little bit of socialism (a la, bailouts), then FDR got elected and enacted a lot of socialism. By 1939 things hadn't gotten one bit better. It was WWII which ended the depression.
If Mr. Hussein does the same thing-which he said he would, we'll get the same result...a great depression, then a great war.
All in all what I got out
November 17, 2008 - 04:14 ET by ConservativeRexAll in all what I got out of this interview is: the press (60 minutes): "we own you, when we say depression you damn well better go along with us" Obami: "OK, you're right, damn near as bad as then".
We've always known who the puppet was, and we know who the puppetmasters are.
FDR, second fascist president we've had. Is Obami going for the third?
I'll bite.....
November 17, 2008 - 05:29 ET by old crowho was the first?
I'm with old cro
November 17, 2008 - 06:12 ET by MrShyOn the edge of my seat here... :)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Wilson.
November 17, 2008 - 11:34 ET by Chris NormanWilson.
Can't Give Him Credit Yet
November 17, 2008 - 06:53 ET by MystapittThe credit for "saving" the country and letting the good times roll will happen once he is in office and has some legislation past. Of course with the cyclic nature of the economy, no matter what legislation that had just past will be the reason for the Obama recovery and his saving us from the 8 years of Bush. He will also be given credit for rescuing us from the horrible policies of the Reagan era. Finally he will be given full credit for the moon landing, the woman's right to vote and an outside shot at the Cubs winning the World Series.
And victory in Iraq
November 17, 2008 - 09:26 ET by krendlerDon't forget that.
Ever hear of Jimmy Carter and the late 70s?
November 17, 2008 - 09:25 ET by krendlerI think the media and the liberals in general have decided The Carter Years never actually occurred. Never even a passing mention about the absolutely abysmal economic conditions while he was in office. Conditions that were much, much worse than they are now.
Most people would fall out of their chairs (along w/ Obama) if Kroft said something like “People are comparing this to the horrific conditions during the late 70s while Democrat Jimmy Carter was in office. Is that a valid comparison, do you think?”
Kroft would be fired and CBS picketed and boycotted.
Just watched an episode of
November 17, 2008 - 21:19 ET by msh1973Just watched an episode of Saturday Night Live from '77', the skits with Aykroyd doing Carter are so funny. He really lampoons (sp) him for the economy, gaslines, unemployment and much more. I thought the libs loved Carter...now they just want us to forget.
Notice now that Obama has
November 17, 2008 - 15:25 ET by zfNotice now that Obama has been elected, he is suddenly more bullish on the economy. Didn't he use Great Depression metaphors to attack Bush? Now that he will be in charge I guess he wants to soften any blame that comes his way. Not that I agree with the Depression analogy to today's economy nonsense, but at least Obama should be consistent.
All I learned from this
November 17, 2008 - 21:12 ET by msh1973All I learned from this interview is that Obama used scare tactics to get elected. He painted the worse possible picture to make people think that if we didn't elect him we would all be standing in breadlines.
And now because of him we
November 17, 2008 - 21:19 ET by Clear thinkerAnd now because of him we will all be standing in breadlines. What a great candidate he turned out to be.
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Picture this.
November 17, 2008 - 21:24 ET by semolina_filcherOr shades of Soviet grocery stores with empty shelves..
I have to laugh at the
November 17, 2008 - 23:57 ET by msh1973I have to laugh at the three of you... :-)
Would you like musturd or
November 17, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Dan DiegoWould you like musturd or malaise on your sandwich?
The cost of living's going up, and the chance of livin's going down. - Flip Wilson
what you see in FDR that I
November 18, 2008 - 00:20 ET by TN Momwhat you see in FDR that I hope my team can emulate, is not always getting it right, but projecting a sense of confidence, and a willingness to try things. And experiment in order to get people working again- Barack Hussein Obama
OMG! BO is clueless. Now we know the real reason he voted 'present'....clueless. Zero.
More issues
November 18, 2008 - 15:19 ET by BaxterJWould have been nice to see more issues and less fluff.