With fresh media polls showing Sarah Palin causing a sizable percent of women to shift to support John McCain from Barack Obama, CBS and NBC on Tuesday night devoted full stories to fact check examinations to discredit her, specifically on the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” even though all the newscasts have already run stories on how she was for the bridge earmark during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign. Introducing a “Reality Check,” CBS anchor Katie Couric asserted:
There's also controversy over the way Governor Palin is trying to attract voters by portraying herself as a reformer opposed to government earmarks. And the example she continues to cite is her opposition to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But she doesn't quite tell the entire story...
Wyatt Andrews concluded: “By repeating the claim she said no thanks to the bridge, the implication is that Governor Palin confronted a Congress recklessly wasting money. The record shows, she wanted that bridge until the end and kept the money.” Over on NBC, anchor Brian Williams recalled how Palin's convention speech had “several memorable applause lines. It's how a lot of people came to know her.” But, he asked, “how do they all match up against the truth? Our senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers takes a closer look.”
CBS's Andrews, unlike Myers on NBC, did at least point out that earmark requests from the Alaska Governor's office are down 44 percent from the previous Governor. Both stories outlined how Palin supported the money for the bridge when running for Governor in 2006 and only came to oppose it when Congress removed the specific earmark, but as Governor she spent the federal money on other projects.
Not to be left out, on ABC's World News Ron Claiborne included in his story on McCain's day of campaigning how when she was Mayor of Wasilla the town had a lobbyist in DC trying to obtain earmarks, and on the bridge she was in favor of it as a gubernatorial candidate.
Unmentioned by any of the three networks, which all ran full stories Tuesday night about Obama, a distortion told by Obama as he targeted education during the day. FNC's Special Report with Brit Hume played a clip of Obama complaining about inadequate federal spending on education: “Our children and our country can't afford four more years of neglect and indifference.” With a graphic on screen showing Department of Education spending has soared under Bush from 42.2 billion in 2001 to 59.2 for 2009, reporter Major Garrett corrected Obama:
If that's indifference, it sure is expensive: $59 billion next year according to the Education Department. That's a 40 percent increase during the Bush years.
Couric introduced the “Reality Check” story on the Tuesday, September 9 CBS Evening News:
There's also controversy over the way Governor Palin is trying to attract voters by portraying herself as a reformer opposed to government earmarks. And the examples she continues to cite is her opposition to the infamous bridge to nowhere. But she doesn't quite tell the entire story, so tonight Wyatt Andrews fills you in on what the Governor leaves out in this Reality Check.
Brian Williams set up the NBC Nightly News piece:
Hard to believe, it was just six nights ago Sarah Palin introduced herself to the GOP convention and to the TV viewing nation with a speech that really made her a star while containing several memorable applause lines. It's how a lot of people came to know her, they remember those stories and Governor Palin repeated them on the stump. But how do they all match up against the truth? Our senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers takes a closer look.
In addition to the bridge, Myers also highlighted how while the state plane was put on E-Bay it was sold, at a loss, by an airplane broker.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
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I am eagerly awaiting...
September 9, 2008 - 20:45 ET by Prester John....the major networks to do a segment on BHO's $100,000 gazebo that Newsbusters reported on yesterday.
GIven the objectivity the networks pride themselves on it should be airing any time now, right?
"She kept the money"
September 9, 2008 - 20:50 ET by MrSnugglesIt is my understanding that the "money" for the bridge WAS kept, but counted as the state of Alaska's federal road funds. So in actuality, the money that was kept replaced money that Alaska would have recieved anyways. Am I wrong here?
Oh and Obama AND Biden both voted for the bridge. Is that anywhere on either of these channels?
Factcheck.org
September 9, 2008 - 22:12 ET by SchnikeysI dislike Factcheck.org because I do not believe that they are truly nonpartisan.
But they are willing to admit that the federal government gave the money to Alaska without "marking it for any specific use."
http://www.factcheck...
Eight out of the 12 items on their main page directed against McCain...they should probably do a better job of proving that this is not "by accident."
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totally agree
September 10, 2008 - 11:16 ET by mbuelThey are not "non-partisan", and don't do enough to truly show what Obama would have to do to fund his pet projects. Also, like this, SHE WAS AGAINST THE BRIDGE.
The money was for their federal road budget anyways, and the state was short 300+ million dollars and instead of raising taxes to come up with the shortfall, she used the federal money to fix other roads in the state.
Seriously, liberals. Your straw grasping is pathetic.
Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.
It seems she voted for it
September 9, 2008 - 20:57 ET by i b squidlyIt seems she voted for it before she voted against it. Unsaid is that both Obama and Biden voted it for it twice.
First, kill all the lawyers.
-Wlm Shakespear
She was running for gov...
September 9, 2008 - 21:19 ET by connmanshe said that she wanted to make sure AK received Fed money to improve their infrastructure. Name me a state that doesn't receive it! Did they get the Bridge to nowhere? No, if she was instrumental in redirecting the money to where it was needed, that's fine with me. Oh yea, Barry and Biden voted yes twice for the Bridge. The second time was after it was proposed to take the money from the bridge and redirect it to Katrina relief but they both voted yes anyway.
This town needs an enema! - The Joker
she was instrumental
September 10, 2008 - 11:18 ET by mbuelIn turning the federal money to other projects in the state. Basically, the federal government said, "here's your transportation money for the bridge and other projects", and Sarah said, "screw the bridge".
Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.
Excellent point.
September 12, 2008 - 00:34 ET by SchnikeysExcellent point, Mr. Squidly.
P.S. I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but your username is a good one!
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The MSM has no idea, none
September 9, 2008 - 21:16 ET by ThisnThatThe MSM has no idea, none at all, at what they are in for on this. This is a setup of major proportions, because they actually think they have something here. And they're going to build it up, and build up until....
They interview Sara Palin, and she's just going to nail them. With a smile, but with lots and lots of acid. And the MSM will have proven that they are empty windbags. It's going to be fun. Do these people think she is as dumb as Obama and Biden? No way.
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"the state plane was put on
September 9, 2008 - 21:25 ET by Sumrica"the state plane was put on E-Bay it was sold, at a loss, by an airplane broker."
At a loss? Geez...it sold for less than the ask price. Happens all the time.
To me, it's obvious the state got an offer and took it. They could have declined and kept it on the market. Could be the jet market is soft right now because of fuel prices. Could be the broker checked around and advised them the offer was about as good as it's gonna get in the current market conditions. Who knows! But, it sold for what it was worth to the buyer.
Perhaps the news media has
September 10, 2008 - 03:22 ET by Rush FanPerhaps the news media has not heard of the word capital depreciation or does not understand the concept if they expected the plane to sell for the price that was originally paid for the plane.
Wikipedia defines depreciation as "the reduction in the value of an asset due to usage, passage of time, wear and tear, technological outdating or obsolescence, depletion or other such factors"
It's similar to buying a new car, and then trying to sell it a few years later. Do you expect to sell the now used car for what you initially paid for it?
Moreover, by selling the plane Gov. Palin was able to realize a savings in ongoing maintenance costs for the plane.
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The liberal media continues to sacrifice ethics and morals for the greater cause: This time for the Election of a Democrat to the Presidency of the United States.
Out of curiosity ('cause I
September 9, 2008 - 21:29 ET by hydrodynDMOut of curiosity ('cause I really don't know), how many of these "fact check" segments have ABC, NBC and CBS done on Obama or Biden?
Nothing to check . . .
September 10, 2008 - 08:10 ET by CpickeringIf Obama said it, it must be fact!! :{)
I don"t think Mayors and Govenors vote in DC on earmarks
September 9, 2008 - 21:37 ET by JayTeeSo the important facts don't enter the Spin zone .
Only Dumb Americans buy this Crap, and Obama already has those votes......but he and the MSM ain't getting anymore votes from middle America using this instant BS.
RIP Daily KOS. It's gonna be fun watchin....
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
The MSM has only just begun . . .
September 9, 2008 - 21:39 ET by GalvanicThey're just getting warmed up.
If the up-trend for McCain-Palin continues in the polls, they'll pull out all the stops.
As we write, Dan Rather is composing the story about how Gov. Palin -- Commander-in-Chief of the Alaskan National Guard -- was derelict in her duties, based on memoranda-for-record typed on CBS letterhead.
Liberal Media, well
September 9, 2008 - 21:55 ET by MaximusBraveheartThey are big, fat liars plain and simple. No attempt to be honest about the other side of the story. As in "now for the rreessttt of the story." And was she, Palin, wrong for making fun of community organizer on Presidential Obama's resume? The Dallas Morning News printed letters of people ripping Palin for this and her negative tone about Obama. As if she didn't like community organizers in general. No she is just saying that is BS qualification for being Prez vs. what SHE HAS DONE! Liberals JUST DON'T GET IT! No way to see with their bias. I can see both sides equally and judge accordingly. Libs don't have that "gene."
"at a loss"
September 9, 2008 - 21:46 ET by jondelwicheI agree. Reality check?
at a loss, says who?
Things depreciate, loss is in the eye of the beholder.
If the plane wasnt to be used, any money was pure profit.
Not to mention the annual cost of upkeep......
Any chance we can get their scoop on who defines/decides this was "at a loss"
Sounds fishy.
what's at stake here
September 9, 2008 - 21:48 ET by nicholas nicklebyI think the networks are paying more attention to this now because Gov. Palin is lying about it now: in several speeches she has given around the country recently she has said that she said "thanks but no thanks" to Congress, which is demonstrably untrue. (Don't take my word for it--you can look it up online.)
On one level, what's at stake here isn't even about earmarks, but about something much more basic--honesty. Let's be honest here: if I was the governor, I would almost definitely take money offered to me. (Damn, I got roads to build, y'all, I need that money.) That's just Gov. Palin doing her job.
But what she's doing now is lying about what she did then. This isn't a slip of the tongue, or a one-time mistake (like her Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae mistake), but a line she is trying to feed us over and over again. Taking money from Congress is one thing, trying to con the American people is quite another, and the fact that she is trying to con us is what is at stake here.
Woodward on FOX, Palin not Targeted!
September 9, 2008 - 21:52 ET by jaywlI don't want anyone to forget the MSM's favorite target, because they certainly haven't. Bob Woodward was on O'Reilly tonight. He was asked what were President Bush's worst two mistakes. First was to not tell the American people that we were losing the war in Iraq. I think he said in his slow, dull monotone "he failed to communicate to the American people that, look it, it wasn't going well" No duh, sir! I guess he wanted the President to join in with The War is Lost Harry. Second, he had the balls to say the President "had failed to find a way to really bring the "Uniformed Military" into this." Really, Bob? What is a military guy without a uniform? Civilian? And then Woodward added 'He didn't develop relations with the key generals. He failed to help develop very strong military leaders." I suppose Pres. Bush should have gone to the Command and General Staff school and taught a few courses! Hey Bob, he choose the key generals, how close should he be to a subordinate? Bob, you don't know Jack or George Bush. That is true even after he invited you into his house, with unprecedented access, in the hope you would print an unbiased book.After your earlier efforts, I would not have invited you back, that was his biggest mistake.
jaywl... I could not
September 9, 2008 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerjaywl...
I could not agree more...
I also caught Woodward on Larry King last night whoring his book, plus most of the segment you are referring to here...
I, for the life of me, have never been able to understand why Pres. Bush keeps inviting the man, (and I use the term man loosely) back...it will always be beyond me.
Woodward is a POS with an agenda...always will be...always has been.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
fact checks on Palin
September 9, 2008 - 21:57 ET by charlietexasI hope they keep it up. The msm has a lower approval rating than the Congress. It will only lift her up even more. When she does get out there and talk one on one with them, she will do just fine. She is playing them out to a tee.
Letter to Sarah
September 9, 2008 - 21:57 ET by angryafricanMaybe Sarah Pale-One should wake up and grow up. A few tips for her now that she is about to become a small fish in a big pond. (1) If your old enough to fall pregnant then you are old enough to be spoken about in public. (2) You don’t get a free ride if you are a woman. (3) Running a $22 million debt as mayor doesn’t make you an executive with experience. (4) Just because you believe in Jesus doesn’t mean He believes in you. But lots more tips for Sarah at http://angryafrican.net/2008/09/05/a-letter-to-sarah/
(yawn) You because you
September 9, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
Don't swallow
September 10, 2008 - 06:56 ET by angryafrican1. You live by the sword... McCain telling jokes about Chelsea Clinton okay then? Well sorry mate, you want to fight dirty then don't come and cry uncle.
2. Yep, no is digging deep into her lies on the bridge to nowhere that she first voted for or the $22 million etc.
3. Most of it was for a sport centre that the TAX PAYERS are paying for. Running at a loss that she said wouldn't happen. Don't drink her Kool-Aid. But then, that is your Republican way of "knowing" economics - run huge debts and then tell the other guy he doesn;t know anything about economics. And look where that got you.
4. Not catchy. True. Taking back the religion from her sect mate.
This from an albino
September 10, 2008 - 09:48 ET by Dan The Man 2This from an albino pigmented African who cant vote in teh elections. You are as valued as any other foriegner who mouths off here without thinking first. Why should we listen to your opinion as an outsider anyway. LOL
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Because pay your salary
September 10, 2008 - 13:41 ET by angryafricanBecause I own your salary. And the world owns America through those loans you keep on taking. Just go look at the debt. But I guess being the 2nd Dan The Man means you are used to second-hand info and second rated politics.
You are pretty dense if you
September 10, 2008 - 16:50 ET by Dan The Man 2You are pretty dense if you think the world owns the USA because they "loan" some money to us. At any time we could tell teh world to forget payment on teh loans and to bugger off. We would not be any worse for it and the world would suffer. You are here to mooch off of the USA wealth because SA is controlled by idiots who want to make it a socialist country. Yet you have the temerity to bite the hand that feeds you and sadly because we are a true democratic free country unlike SA we tolerate people like you.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Mr Number 2
September 10, 2008 - 16:56 ET by angryafricanDream on sucker. You think you can stop that payment? Then where do you think the oil will come from? And remember, they don't just own your debt, go have a look at who owns the stocks my friend. Your debt has been financing their buying up of your companies.
I am not biting the hand that feeds me. I am trying to tell the hand that it shouldn't pull a middle finger at the world. Because the world is busy eating that hand. Believe it or not, Mr 2-rate, I am on the side of the US. But I also know that more debt and more wars with the world won't help. Just look at where it got us so far. Jobs anyone? Houses anyone? Debt anyone? Oil anyone?
Thats rich, 154
September 10, 2008 - 17:01 ET by BlondeBawahahah!
You're self professed IQ is showing....not!
You don't like it here, or us?
Get out!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You'll be so lucky
September 10, 2008 - 17:49 ET by angryafricanYou'll be so lucky. I like you. I just don't like your politics.And make no mistake, I like the USA. No that is an understatement. I love it here. But glad to see you can spell IQ. It seems as if my eduction is starting to rub off.
Oh wow 154...that's an impressive EDUCTION
September 10, 2008 - 18:16 ET by BlondeI am so put in my place by your "eduction". That is, laughing again at your self-puffed up delusions of grandeur. Perhaps you should have matriculated in the United States. Because, 154, unlike you, I can spell "education".
Color me unimpressed.
You'd be surprised what else I can spell.
Keep it up. You have us all rolling in the aisles with your euro-centric stupid spew.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
AngryA..The audacity of a dope
September 10, 2008 - 18:43 ET by BarabbusAA..how does it feel to watch Mr. Potatoe head (that one's for J. Danforth, Ms. "Eduction") seems to be cracking like a piece of fine China? He's going to make a wonderful trivia question someday. As in: "whatever happened to..."
"Deterrence is achieved NOT from the severity of the punishment...but from it's CERTAINTY!"
Ah yes, Barabbus
September 10, 2008 - 18:49 ET by BlondeWe'll also ask...what ever happened to that Angry African fella....the one who was impressed by Blonde's spelling of IQ? All the while touting his EDUCTION.
Sheesh....these trolls are too easy.
We need a better class of troll, here.
As an addendum, I generally never bust people for spelling here. I just couldn't help myself....the Afrikaaner left himself wide open for schooling, yet again.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Lame ... AngryAfrican
September 10, 2008 - 16:15 ET by LionKingYou justify attacks on Palin's daughter because of something McCain allegedly did. Hey, stupid!!! Two wrongs do not make a right.
When did Palin vote for the "bridge to nowhere"? Do you have any supporting links or do you just spread self-serving lies?
Hey LoinQueen
September 10, 2008 - 16:51 ET by angryafricanI am not justifying. I am doing. If you don't like the heat - get out.
And correction. I am wrong. She SUPPORTED the bridge and then when she won the election as Governor decided to NOT fund it anymore. You are right, she didn't vote for it. She went one step better. She promised people the bridge and when they voted for her pulled the plug. But then, that's Republican politics for you. "No more taxes". Remember that?
Here is the link to more info on that. Just say how many links you want - or go watch C-Span. She said she supported the bridge on that. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/680/
And I don't lie. I slap you with the truth. That's why you are crying baby.
Wow
September 10, 2008 - 17:01 ET by Indiana Joe"Sarah Pale-One" (you're a racist) and "LoinQueen" (and a sexist).
Great debate style. The only thing you're "doing" is called ad hominem attacking, and it impresses no one... except maybe you.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Can't handle it?
September 10, 2008 - 17:52 ET by angryafricanCan't handle it? Try reading your own stuff baby. Don't like your own medicine? And, by the way, LionQueen is a play on words - I was thinking more in the line of lioncloth that has a very different meaning. What? You have sex on the brain now as well?
Dude,
September 10, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Indiana JoeYou're the one who can't handle it. You're an unabashed racist and a juvenile name-caller, and you have absolutely nothing to contribute to a reasoned discussion. Try to grow up a little.
The "loinqueen" (check your own post, Einstein) thing was not clever at all. You ever hurt your arm patting yourself on the back? You're the one who's playing sexist games with poster's names. Get it out of the gutter, kid. Pretend you're an adult. Try.
Thirty
(Which means, "I'm done with your monolithic stupidity." Figured that would be on the long list of things you don't know anything about. Handle that.)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Angry African
September 10, 2008 - 18:18 ET by LionKingChildish. Typical liberal.
As for your heat -- please, troll ... your failure to act with intellectual honesty speaks volumes about your mission. You are a racist and apparently a sexist ... it is ashame that you are so intimidated by a successful white woman.
So because someone amends their position once the take office and see the need for fiscal responsibility, that makes them a liar.
Try doing some real research and stop relying on DKos for your info.
[ Remember: Your Messiah is half white. ]
aa... Palin Power! Get
September 9, 2008 - 22:10 ET by bigtimeraa...
Palin Power!
Get used to it sweetie.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I agree
September 10, 2008 - 07:27 ET by angryafricanI agree with the Rush quote. America isn't the problem... Republican lies are.
aa... Reading problem
September 10, 2008 - 16:55 ET by bigtimeraa...
Reading problem eh?
That isn't what the quote says at all.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
No, just a correction
September 10, 2008 - 16:59 ET by angryafricanNo just a correction. I realize Rush isn't that bright so I just fixed it for him.
Although I have to admit it is difficult to read some of the stuff around here because I was trained in English.
You are nothing but an
September 10, 2008 - 17:19 ET by bigtimerYou are nothing but an empty slate aa... you aren't worth the effort, you haven't been from day one here.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You assume to much
September 10, 2008 - 17:57 ET by angryafricanYou assume to much. You assume I am going to care what you think of me little man.
LOL
September 10, 2008 - 18:06 ET by UnsaneLittle man? LOL. At least know who you are addressing!
But I'd have to say bigtimer definitely has more masculine attributes than any mealy-mouthed Leftist that inhabits this board.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Uns... Had to leave for a
September 10, 2008 - 19:52 ET by bigtimerUns...
Had to leave for a bit....just saw this, wanted to say thank you.
aa isn't worth the time of day...I regret bothering with the POS.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Angry,,, at USA no doubt
September 9, 2008 - 22:12 ET by MaximusBraveheartUhh still not getting it ehh? Some facts... LOL.
I call the facts
September 10, 2008 - 07:29 ET by angryafricanI call the facts I use "The Republican Within".
Angry Africa, don't use it up girl!
September 9, 2008 - 22:19 ET by BarabbusAngry, think how very, very, very angry you're gonna be the first week of November! I know I'm thinking about it, and knowing how very, very angry you are now will help me sleep like a baby tonight! Show your hate, it helps Sarah's cause.
"Deterrence is achieved NOT from the severity of the punishment...but from it's CERTAINTY!"- check your local penitentiary for verification.
Deeply honored
September 10, 2008 - 06:49 ET by angryafricanI am deeply honored that I help you sleep like a baby. Of course the fact that you have the know-how and intellect of a baby helps as well. You can also count the rising debt if you struggle to fall asleep. Or the job loses. Or houses being lost. Or people dying in Iraq. Lots of number for you to use, but not sure if you can count that high.
And like a typical,
September 10, 2008 - 07:36 ET by motherbeltAnd like a typical, hate-filled liberal, you quickly segue into personal attacks.
Nice.
Nice
September 10, 2008 - 07:43 ET by angryafricanIt's a pleasure. Don't like the game? Get out. If the "right" starts with lies and personal attacks then it is time that "liberals" start playing dirty as well. Live with it. This isn't kindergarden.
Tell you what, AA
September 10, 2008 - 17:06 ET by Indiana Joe(Hmm, aren't you late for a meeting?)
Get moderator powers, then you can ban anyone you want. Until then, keep your "get out" advice to yourself.
This may be a "game" to you, but we here in America take our country and it's politics pretty damned seriously. Why do you live in a country you so obviously hate? Never mind, your bio says it all: MONEY.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Don't go there brother
September 10, 2008 - 18:08 ET by angryafricanLook, I can pretty much say what I want, right? You told me I had that freedom here. One thing you will never hear me say is that I hate this country. That you can shove up your backside. Don't reflect your inherent hatred to me baby. You think I am here for money? Haha! Nice one. Living in your dreams baby.
And of course politics is played like a game over here. Why else all the lies and lack of debate on policy issues? Because the politicians treat it like a game. And people allow them to do that.
If the "right"
September 10, 2008 - 18:43 ET by general companyIf the "right" starts with lies and personal attacks then it is time that "liberals" start playing dirty as well. Live with it. This isn't kindergarden.
Is this a bad joke? Why do you think those of us on the right feel the need to have sites like this. We have had to fight the lies of the left and msm for a long time. Suddenly you have you panties in a bunch because of a stupid misstatement.
This isn't kindergarden. Your continued whinning is boring
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I AM there, "brother!"
September 10, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Indiana JoeYou can say whatever you want, until you cross the line and get banned here. And so can anyone here! So quit trying to say who should and shouldn't "get out," you fascist POS.
Sure, you love America, you just have a blinding, seething, insane rage towards at least half the people in it. You have zero respect for this country and the people in it. Sure, you'll skim the cream, use the rights we enjoy, like free speech, free markets (money, money, money), voting... oh, I forgot! You can't vote! And, boy, that must REALLY p*ss you off, doesn't it?
So keep whistling in the wind, 12 Steps. You are totally irrelevant here.
ROTFLMAO!
Thirty (for explanation, see post above)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Angry A..just another Dung Beetle
September 10, 2008 - 19:50 ET by BarabbusHey Angry, you use a lot of phrases about "slapping you with the truth", and; "shove it up your backside". Is this what we can expect when the head Dung Beetle wins the Presidency? More punk talk? What rat hole of a country did you crawl away from Ace?
"Deterrence is achieved NOT from the severity of the punishment..but from it's CERTAINTY!"
Rebuttals
September 10, 2008 - 18:15 ET by UnsaneYou can also count the rising debt if you struggle to fall asleep. As if a Socialist like you cares about the debt. You hate it only because the United States isn't a whiny, coddling Nanny State like the European countries you so admire. (And, you think our debt is bad? Japan's is 194% of their GDP. I would be willing to bet the U.S. debt is at 40%.)
Or the job loses. The government is not here to hire people, to coddle them and to make sure they have jobs. I know this will come as a shock to you, but that's on the people.
Or houses being lost. Not the government's fault. I blame that on dumbasses who take out loans and buy houses they can't afford. They get what they deserve. (That being said, the government can feel free to provatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in full. That little episode has done nothing but p!ss me off.)
Or people dying in Iraq. How about people's live being saved in Iraq? I saw that up close and personal and will always consider it a privilege to work alongside the professionals that made that happen, which I did in tandem with my primary duties. Say, angryLeftist, have you ever been there?
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane,
September 10, 2008 - 19:51 ET by Indiana JoeYou know, in a comment above I labeled AA (I affectionately refer to him as "12 Steps") as "totally irrelevant here." But I think I misspoke.
We have a saying at work: "No one is a complete waste. They can at least serve as a bad example." I think ol' 12 Steps will make a few leftists wonder if they really want to be associated with his kind of whacko leftism. Might garner a few converts.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
You know african,
September 10, 2008 - 01:03 ET by HillbillyKingyou probably wouldn't be so damn angry if you went to dermatologist and got that blue sh!t that's all over your face cleaned up. I, mean, really you're in America now. We have some pretty good doc's over here, they might be able to do sumthin about that yellow sh!t too. You know, they are actual MDs, not the witch doctors that you are used to. Oh, but remember, you have to pay for it in the USA. This ain't like England, with that socialized medicine and such. So bring all that embezzled Oxfam money with ya, cause clearin up that blue sh!t's gonna be a mite expensive. :-}
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Deep honored
September 10, 2008 - 06:42 ET by angryafricanI am deeply honored that you care so much for my health. Would love it if you could help me out. But I guess you need your medical allowance to pay to get your head out your *ss, your hand out of McCain's pants and the foot out of your mouth.
apologeticafrikaner,
September 10, 2008 - 14:33 ET by HillbillyKingMac's pants, Ha! Good one. Seriously, made me laugh.
I am concerned bout your health, cause I think that blue sh!t is toxic and keeps seepin into your brain. Otherwise, how would you explain the demented ranting that infects your blog?
As to your letter to Mrs. Palin, (really dude Pale-one, come on, do you refer to your guy as Oreobama?) just a couple of quick thoughts;
1.As a father, don't you think that it would be wise to leave her kids out of it? Switch places and imagine the media bashing your girls cause daddy grew up in the "rulin" class. You need to rethink that one, bro.
2. Try not givin a "free ride" to Barry and Joe. Judge them just as harshly as you do this woman. See how long they tread water.
3. Others have pointed out the FACTS about the "debt". Of course given your experience with Oxfam and the WTO I wouldn't expect you to understand fiscal responsibility.
4. Given that your entire existence is due to the "might makes right" principal, you'd think you'd have a little bit more respect for firearms. I guess this is another example of your "white mans guilt" affecting your rationale. You have alot to learn about America and firearms in general. Here's a couple of primers;
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
God created man, Samuel Colt made them equal.
Try to remember that a gun is a tool used wisely by most, unwisely by a few, at least that's how it is in the USA, you know where child soldiers aren't the norm.
5. "Less Hollywood, more substance please."
ROTLMAO! Quit confusing Barry with Mrs. Palin. LMAO! You are a funny guy apologetic.
6. As we are about to see, that blue sh!t has definitely effected your thought process. Because you go from the absurd,
7. TO TALKING TO JESUS! Seriously, how else can you KNOW what Jesus thinks of Mrs. Palin? You communicate with Jesus and of all the things you can talk about, you make sure he doesn't believe in Mrs. Palin's version of herself? What? Dude, I think that trip to the dermatologist is long over due.
8.The man with blue sh!t on his face gives fashion advice. Umm OK......NOT!
9. Umm, it's not called cross dressing apologetic, it's called gender identity disorder. But your diagnoses is way off the mark. Try reading this take on Mrs. Palin. Of course I would diagnosis you with P.D.S. and a bad case of blue sh!t on the face.
10. Well maybe I should concede that since you are a foreignor you would be well versed in foreign policy, that is policies of a foreign nature. Oh, sorry I was tryin to use apologetic logic there for a minute. What? Exactly the same point you made.
I really do hope you found these thoughts helpful apologeticafrikaner. One last helpful hint, in addtion to that trip to the dermatologist, you might what to go see a psychologist for that nasty case of P.D.S. you got. Oh, and you might want to mention those Jesus conversations, too.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
one... two... three. ten
September 10, 2008 - 16:06 ET by angryafricanThanks - I'll take an asprin. Now back to counting...
1. Yep - I am open to be targeted if what I tell the public is perceived to be in conflict with what I say or do behind closed doors. Or if my policy for what is good fo other people falls on my face.
2. She hasn't been vetted and needs a good close look. I don't think the press is doing enough on her. Not nearly good enough. We have all the dirt on John, Obama and Joe. But being new means we have to look closer to make sure we aren't missing anything.
3. Yep. I do have that experience. And that was why I left Oxfam more than 4 years ago - read who I am. I couldn't stand waste there (and have attacked them publicly and in my blog about that) and won't stand it with a two-bit Governer either.
4. I am not against guns per se. I am against how it is controlled. Maybe I take it too personal, but my mom shot herself. I know it was not the gun's fault. But if they had better gun control less "accidents" and suicides maybe? Terrorist buying guns in New Hampshire? Not a good idea. So, I don't mind people having guns. It is how it is controlled that matters. And still, a gun does not make you strong. It only makes you believe you are strong.
5. She reads from the teleprompt, tries to look pretty and was a beauty queen. If it smells like one and walks like one and talks like one then it must be one. She an act. A supporting act in a b-grade movie.
6. Hiring and firing and trying to control information? Remember the banning of the books? Sounds like a personal Patriot Act to me.
7. Yep, I speak to the Man often. But he doesn't speak back. Those are other voices in my head. Just read the Bible. Pretty straight forward. She doesn't follow it so she must be from a sect.
8. Maybe you like her in that, but it doesn't do it for me.
9. It's called poetic licence. Big word for you, but try to hang in their big fella. Difficult to write everything in single syllables.
10. Should I speak slower that you can understand it a bit better? Point is. Foreigners owns your *ss. With your debt and your dependency on oil. Better to know them than not to know them. And she doesn't.
Thanks for that little one. I really appreciate your help. Nice to know you care so much. But really, you shouldn't try so hard, I don't care. No, go home and grow a brain. Sorry, should I say a little bit slower for you? And in smaller words so you can understand?
angryafrican,
September 10, 2008 - 22:18 ET by HillbillyKingtwo quick things, (one serious, the other not so much) as I'm somewhat pressed for time growing a brain. :-}
First, the serious. I applaud and respect your courage for posting the story relating to your mother, that's on your site. I feel it takes a courage most do not possess to expose themselves to the public in the manner in which you have.
Secondly, I appreciate your replies. It does liven things up around here when, shall we say, those with dissenting opinions are willing to engage in a little verbal combat. Thanks for taking the time to participate.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
"Sarah Pale-One????"
September 10, 2008 - 01:52 ET by R D HelmRacist, you are. No joke, jerk.
If you don't like being called that, I suggest you make it your mission in life to be on the first plane back to the wonderful socialist republic of South Africa, ASAP.
BTW-If you really are pissed about the plight of your average African (and personally, I think you are full of sh*t here), then why are you not back on your home continent denouncing the socialist potentates that have ravaged same?
What, you're still here?
-Dave.
What I really think.
Just educating
September 10, 2008 - 06:38 ET by angryafricanI would love to go back to Africa. But it is obvious that my help is needed in the most deprived part of the world - US politics. The only difference between many African leaders and McCain and Pale-One? African leaders get caught in their lies quicker. So see me being here as a humanitarian cause trying to help the Republicans out a bit. They obviously need it. And where there is a need... I will be there. See it as charity.
Charity? I see it as whiny ungratitude
September 10, 2008 - 18:22 ET by UnsaneSee it as charity. Actually, my hate-filled, vile, angry Socialist, we in the United States don't need people like you trying to turn oour government into a charity and the very nation that protects and defends freedom globally turned into a whiny laughingstock.
What you should do is pay homage to this great country on the last Monday of May every year, and every 11 November. If not for those who are honored on those days, you wouldn't be able to vomit your bile and vitriol on the computer screens of the world, and you certainly wouldn't be greedily sucking the tits of freedom and capitalism all they while whining ungratefully about how bad and horrible it all is.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Odd
September 10, 2008 - 18:11 ET by Mr. BishopInteresting...
So, according to your logic, you can talk about 5-year old children in public and use them in a smear campaign, correct? Well, according to your words, and what the youngest mother on record is, that is what you are saying. Don't believe it was 5 years old? Here you go:
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp
You don't get a free ride if you are a woman? Hell, I appreciate the fact that the MSM is finally attacking a woman in politics with piss and vinegar. The problem? They ONLY do it to Republican women. They DON'T attack Democrat women. But then again -- according to your own name, I'd gather you only agree with racial attacks against Black Republicans. Hell, you could even be Obama's "brother" paid now to spread this crap around. Who knows?
Running up a $22 million debt? You do, of course, have access to the financial records to prove these numbers, right? The reason I ask, is that the regular BS liberal hit pieces make this exact amount stated widely, but none of them provide evidence to back up the claim -- just the final number.
You really think that if you believe in Jesus, it doesn't mean he believes in you? That thought process flies completely in the face of actual Christ teachings. So, get a new line if you want to try and say that Jesus hates you.
Finally, don't link your stupid BS website as some massive know-it-all website. It has no answers, just your opinion which is void of facts -- true or otherwise.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
I say let them continue
September 9, 2008 - 22:08 ET by Clear thinkerI say let them continue their attack on Sarah. The more they open their mouths, the better she looks in the eyes of voters. Just a guess here, but I think Obama is going to lose BIG-TIME!
America Owes Sarah Palin A Debt Of Gratitude
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Evening Ct... You aren't
September 9, 2008 - 22:14 ET by bigtimerEvening Ct...
You aren't the only who thinks the same about him losing Big-Time...I also have posted as such before.
GMTA and all that jazz...
as an aside, I never thought he would win to begin with, as I think you already know...but this is gonna' be a wipe-out...the dems aren't going to be able to use the multiple cemeteries this time as before...lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hey BT
September 9, 2008 - 22:15 ET by MrShy.... "multiple cemeteries" ?
:p
Obama... a total fraud. Palin... a total hottie.
MrS... Dead people and
September 9, 2008 - 22:25 ET by bigtimerMrS...
Dead people and their names, Dead pets and their names...on and on...
Voter fraud the dems count on year after year...especially if it is a close call in a state...Wa. being one, NM being another...on and on it goes...that's why some of those AG's were let go, they never prosecuted the voting fraud that was rampant, well documented, and proven...oh but the dems have the lawyers at the ready during voting, any little prob they can imagine they do, from voter suppression to something is wrong with these machines///
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
oooooohhh.....
September 9, 2008 - 22:29 ET by MrShyRight, okay, the dead people's votes... from their registrations, right? I've heard about that, yeah.
Obama... a total fraud. Palin... a total hottie.
What planet are YOU from, Shyster?
September 10, 2008 - 19:57 ET by Indiana JoeYou've "heard about it?" Say what? It a tried-and-true Democrat tradition, probably perfected by the Daley machine in the 1950's.
Or maybe Tammany Hall in the 1850's, I forget.
You leave a "/sarc" out or sumpin'? ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
bt...
September 9, 2008 - 22:19 ET by Clear thinkerUnless something really bad happens, Sarah Palin will be the reason for Obama losing by a huge landslide. Of course we will be accused of being racist. Oh well, no sense in trying to talk logic to a liberal is there?
America Owes Sarah Palin A Debt Of Gratitude
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True, but...
September 9, 2008 - 22:16 ET by MaximusBraveheartMy mom (born 1930s) called and said she heard on the "news" that Trig was not her kid and covering for daughter. Some people still believe the news. She is a Rep. by the way.
Big 3
September 9, 2008 - 22:33 ET by SchnikeysWhat's that, Big 3?
There's no liberal media bias on your networks? I mean, none whatsoever?
Then do some fact checks for Obama, Biden, and perhaps several other Dems- because we didn't see anything like this for Obama or (especially) Biden. Hell, go the "fairness" route and put an even number of criticisms of each side up for "fact checking." At least show that you try to be impartial on these things by aiming your methods of investigation (the same methods that you use on the Republicans/conservatives) at the Democrats/liberals.
Then, maybe I will consider watching your programs.
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"My morality is your morality."
Help me out here...
September 9, 2008 - 22:54 ET by thebobboI'm just a simple bumpkin from the stix of Detroit, so I have a hard time following all of this complex and nuanced discussion, but as for this and broader points, the way I see it is:
When you're a state governor, and somebody - especially the Federal government - is offering you hundreds of millions of dollars for activity in your state, I'd imagine the first thing you do is keep your options open. When it comes down to crunch time and you finally have to decide, unless the givers have blatantly made it clear from the get-go that they expect a quid pro quo for their generosity (which I don't think has ever been intimated in this instance - unless it was directed at Mssrs. Young and Stevens), you weigh the social, financial, and political morality of the gift, and do what is right for your state and country. Sounds to me like that's what she did.
Doesn't this happen every week, every day, with the other 49 (or is it 56?) governors of this country? I get a strange tingling up my leg that a lot of Federal money ends up building a crapload of "bridges to nowhere" all across the nation.
Folks can go on all day yammering about whether Gov. Palin "almost" took the money, but the fact is, she didn't. If somebody was waving a wad of cash in front of me just for the taking, I might have to think twice or three times about it myself, before I let my moral compass make the final decision. Maybe that's just my simplemindedness, but then again, I learned a long time ago that not everybody thinks like me.
American politics has come down to the pettiest and most absurd level imaginable. Competitive political parties and an objective press (key word: objective) have an important and rightful place in this nation. What we see now is neither. So much of it seems to have to do with oneupsmanship and some kind of mind-twisting of the proles, with the implication that they can be manipulated at will, just to eke out another few thousand votes here and there for the chosen few (though it's never quite clear how they were chosen).
What you'll see going on for the next few weeks is just more of the same. People protecting their interests, and people trying to manipulate your opinion just so they can say they did it. If you're ok with that, too bad. Bumpkin or not, nobody's quite knocked the moral compass out of me yet.
one slight edit
September 9, 2008 - 23:18 ET by nicholas nicklebyhi thebobbo, I agree completely with what you said about what a governor should do. (And I also agree on the absurdity of a great deal of the political campaigns and the media/internet coverage. I'm hoping still that the debates will clarify the positions of all four major players--though I suspect it may just be the same gamesmanship and sound-bites.)
The slight edit I would add is that Gov. Palin <i>did</i> take the money. (As far as I understand, Congress had already okayed some money for infrastructure, but this money was not specifically held for the Bridge to Nowhere, so that when she took it, and after Congress cancelled the rest of the project's earmarked money, she used the money she did take for other projects. Which I think we both agree is what a governor should do in the circumstances.)
When are the "Big" 3 going to look into Obama's record
September 9, 2008 - 23:06 ET by buzzbeeWhen will the MSM star looking into Obam-Uh's Senate record in IL? He served in the IL State Senate from 1997 until 2004, yet I have not seen one report on what Obama did for 8 years. Granted his record is thin, but it is there to be looked at and he wants to be president.
Here is an interesting report the local channel did on Obama's relationship with Rezko: http://www.youtube.c...
He also funneled a 100K dollar grant and all they got for it was a gazebo.
How effective would he be as president? Who would he funnel 150 Billion to for ending foriegn oil dependance to and what would we get for it?
Shame on the MSM for attacking Sarah and giving Obama a pass.
Drill here, Drill Now!
The media's problem is...
September 10, 2008 - 02:03 ET by wnaegele...that they came out with a series of moonbat attacks on Palin, and, as a result, Palin backers now are inoculated to any and all media attacks -- reasoned or otherwise...