Declaring “I'm not that convinced that that's her baby,” far-left comedian Bill Maher, Friday night on his HBO show Real Time, forwarded left-wing blog rumors about how Trig Palin, born in April, is really the son of Sarah Palin's 17-year-old daughter Bristol who is now pregnant. Maher raised his theory during a one-on-one interview with CNN's Jeffrey Toobin, who didn't accept Maher's belief in such deceit, leading Maher to concede “it could be her baby,” but he still insisted “it is a little suspicious” because “the daughter -- who we know is fertile because she's knocked up again, or maybe for the first time” had taken:
...a five-month leave from high school because she had [uses fingers to make quote marks] “mononucleosis” right around the time the baby was being born. And the mother, the so-called, you know, okay, maybe it is the mother, but, you know, she was back to work three days later. You don't smell something?Toobin remained unconvinced: “You know what, I don't.” Maher then turned to the old left-wing stand-by argument: all Republicans and conservatives are liars. To applause and laughter from the audience, Maher quipped: “Yeah, but look who we're talking about....it's not like they're not willing to lie about everything else.”
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From the Friday, September 5 Real Time with Bill Maher which aired live at 11 PM EDT on HBO, picking up as Toobin denies any media but MSNBC and FNC are biased:
JEFFREY TOOBIN: We're not talking about MSNBC or Fox, which are separate cases. But I don't think most of the news media -- the major news networks, CNN -- are biased in favor of one party or the other. There are certain kinds of stories we like. Say, you know, pregnant people. But we don't, I don't think there is a lot of sort of bias in favor of one party or the other.
BILL MAHER: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, tawdry as it is, because I'm not that convinced that that's her baby.
TOOBIN: You know, I'm willing to take their word for it on that, take their word for it that that is her baby.
[Audience laughter]
MAHER: It could be her baby, but it is a little suspicious -- if what I read in US magazine has any weight. I mean-
TOOBIN: I am actually convinced it is her baby.
MAHER: -the daughter -- who we know is fertile because she's knocked up again, or maybe for the first time–
TOOBIN: Yeah, I think for the first time.
MAHER: Okay, but she did like take a five-month leave from high school because she had [uses fingers to make quote marks] “mononucleosis” right around the time the baby was being born. And the mother, the so-called, you know, okay, maybe it is the mother, but, you know, she was back to work three days later. You don't smell something?
TOOBIN: You know what, I don't. I have to say I'm willing to take their word for it on that part of the story. And frankly, I have never been involved in a journalism story where someone who claimed to have a baby, that was ever in dispute. I mean, that's just sort of something we usually take people's word for and I think that's appropriate in this case.
MAHER: Yeah, but look who we're talking about.
[laughter and applause]
TOOBIN: That may be.
MAHER: I mean, but it's not like they're not willing to lie about everything else. You know, this is the party of character.
TOOBIN: Put me down as a believer.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center
Comments Policy
Idiocracy
September 6, 2008 - 00:51 ET by dodecahedronAm I the only person who sees our country turning into the movie Idiocracy? This is the only explanation behind the popularity of clowns like Maher, Letterman, and Stewart. This is the only reason I can think of why an inexperienced Senator who has accomplished nothing in his career can make empty promises and vow to raise taxes and be ahead in the polls.
People are just getting dumber.
"Welcome to Costco, I Love You" - Idiocracy
Saw the first 20 minutes. . .
September 6, 2008 - 06:32 ET by WingletDriver. . .of Idiocracy because I thought the premise sounded funny and Office Space (by the same writer/director) was so funny. But it was so bad I couldn't watch any more. From what I saw though, your analogy is right on target.
To guys like Maher lack of evidence is proof positive. The existence of exculpatory evidence is still proof positive.
Idiocracy is a "love it" or "hate it" movie...
September 6, 2008 - 06:44 ET by dodecahedronIt's one of my favorites. I've watched it several times. It isn't hilarious, but the more I watch it the more it really seems like it is happening.
The "sons and daughters of Clevon" are growing in numbers every day.
MsUnderestimated has the video
September 7, 2008 - 01:24 ET by Amanda JusticeMsUnderestimated has the video here http://msunderestima...
What happens if the unborn baby dies from the trauma
September 6, 2008 - 00:52 ET by Lame CherryBill Maher uses women as sperm dumps and Jeff Toobin beats up on women. Wonderful pair discussing a family.
No one on the left appears to have any capibility to stand up to Maher on his show and say, "This is purely stupid and it has nothing to do with Muslim terrorists, Russian expansionism, nuclear shields, rebuilding Americas manufacturing and oil liberation".
Those are the policies of John McCain and Sarah Palin and they are the only topics which matter.
We now return you to beat on a disable war veteran and a mother of five..........and don't forget if the bashers traumatize the Palin family enough the pregnant daughter could miscarry.
WAKE UP PEOPLE and start considering what trophies you want God seeing hanging on your wall for your all out victories.
You want a dead child on your conscience the rest of your life for slashing and raping the Palin family?
There is a book of judgment where all this is noted. Do you really want that coming up before Jesus the Judge on your last day and you trying to defend putting an unborn child in danger.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
These poor little quivering
September 6, 2008 - 01:14 ET by bigtimerThese poor little quivering critters accidentally called men are afraid...very, very, afraid of a woman that is going to clean their little Obamakins clocks...
Tick...tick...tick...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Remember this one
September 6, 2008 - 01:14 ET by KC MulvilleYou know, part of me wonders what Maher could possibly get out of this? Other than being a jerk, what possibly could be his motive? Does he consider this comedy? Social analysis?
This is simply taking political cheap shots at a target who can't fight back. This is nothing but cowardice.
Remember those media hacks who deny that the media ever did or said anything inappropriate about Palin? This guy goes on Larry King, who encourages Maher (and every other guest) to take these cheap shots. This creep gets a special column at the Huffington Post. This coward goes on the late night talk show circuit. Every single one of these "enablers," including O'Reilly, who gives this fool airtime without challenging him is as cheap and cowardly as Maher.
Remember...
September 8, 2008 - 12:26 ET by cest moi...in Maher's world, Larry King, HuffPo, Letterman, etc - are all "A-list" venues.
The poor dear really believes himself to be relevant and (dare I say, with a smirk) powerful, just 'cause a bunch of dodos clutching their free tickets snigger at him.
Bill Maher's jes' compensating for a small male appendage.
Bill
September 6, 2008 - 01:26 ET by well99Any truth that you and KOed got married in Cali?Since you both have diarrhea of the mouth it is really pretty obvious.What your smelling is that #### coming out your mouth.
Uh oh he's drinking the
September 6, 2008 - 01:47 ET by winston smithUh oh Bill's drinking the bong water again!
Must be, Winston
September 6, 2008 - 01:52 ET by Cool ArrowUnless he can explain overlapping pregnancies.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Enough already!
September 6, 2008 - 02:22 ET by connmanTommorrow morning I'm taking my cable box back to the cable company and cancel HBO and the rest of the garbage that no one watchesanyway. Then when I come home I'm going to email HBO and tell them why I cancelled their BS network.
OT a little, I was flicking the channels and stopped at Countdown. The woman who talks like a man was hosting for KO. The couple of minutes I was tuned in she was with some gray haired JackASS from HuffPost trying to come up with a reason for McCains selection of SP. The only two reasons they came up with were:
1) That JM is acting immature and this pick reflected that. And the fact he's 72 (which they said he would be the oldest president ever) and his advanced age vs her youthful inexperience would make him seem older and would make people nervous about this pick being a heartbeat away.
2) That his real choice was Joe L and Karl Rove shot him down.
I kid you not!
What pisses me off is they are trying to pass this crap off as serious news.
This town needs an enema! - The Joker
Do It
September 6, 2008 - 13:19 ET by JoelCTIf you are really going to do it, I applaud you.
Once you have cut the cable and carefully explained to HBO why you have done it, do what I did. After I cut the cable several years ago, I called DirecTV and asked them to give me "the bare minimum that includes FoxNews."
I was amazed at how much cheaper it was than cable. Even adding in $5 a month for local stations it was still close to half what I paid for cable. I honestly do not miss HBO or Cinemax at all. Sometimes we get free weekends with some of the premium channels, and when I watch them, it just reminds me of how much money I wasted on their crap.
So do it, connman! You won't regret it.
Cool....
September 6, 2008 - 05:31 ET by motherbeltI was thinking that too. Trig is barely 5 months old, and she's already 5 months pregnant again?
Do these people give 10 seconds' thought to what they are going to say? Nevermind, I answered my own question.
They don't even care if their accusations are preposterous. The point is to get it out there and get the laugh. And Toobin is just as bad, for treating Maher's fantasy as if it were a serious discussion. He just wanted to be thought of as "cool" by Maher's empty-headed audience. He embarrassed himself.
mb
September 6, 2008 - 05:37 ET by Cool ArrowI thought the specific reason the Campaign released the "5 months along" information when they did was to prove the press was following a false story.
Obviously Maher was too close to airtime and didn't have time for anything like doing the math.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
motherbelt
September 6, 2008 - 06:00 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI was thinking that too. Trig is barely 5 months old, and she's already 5 months pregnant again?
As a self educated medical professional, let me explain this to you. Trig was born 2 months premature which would make him -2 months old at birth, so, at 5 months old, it is actually 7 months since he was born. I used tried and true liberal math to explain this.
D
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Sharing bong water...
September 6, 2008 - 10:43 ET by Clear thinkerBill has an awful lot of company when it comes to the crappola liberals are coming out with. What they are saying about the Palin baby saga is beyond contemptable. Palin Baby Wars - Liberals on Warpath
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Gosh he is just SO
September 6, 2008 - 05:19 ET by Jack BauerGosh he is just SO hilarious is Bill Maher. He's in Jon Stewart terrority of funniness.
I'll be back when I've had a hot shower.
But even that won't be enough to wash off the stench of that pile of manure masquerading as a human-being.
Sharing the same tank
September 6, 2008 - 05:22 ET by Cool ArrowAnd the water doesn't change. But they burn a lot on incense.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Maher raised his theory
September 6, 2008 - 05:38 ET by Jack BauerCNN's Toobin and his media ilk are so disconnected from reality it's actually quite laughable.
First he says that oh, it's just MSNBC and Fox who are biased:
No HIM or CNN, doncha know.
But then in the next sentence, he just brazenly all but calls Republicans LIARS, right off the bat when he agrees with Naher.
Does Toobin really think people do not understand English. Too stupid to listen too what he said in one sentance and compare it to the next.
What the frack is WRONG with these people.
Read Sarah's Lip Stick. We ain't buying this shit no matter how often you tell us it's shinola.
What is wrong with these
September 6, 2008 - 05:48 ET by motherbeltWhat is wrong with these people is they don't care about truth, or even about thought. It's all about the one-liner, the zinger, and getting the outrageous speculation out there.
And Toobin just admitted that he believes Republicans will lie about everything. So much for unbiased news. That should cost him his job. Oh, but we're talking about CNN. Nevermind.
mb -- more than that, he
September 6, 2008 - 08:03 ET by Jack Bauermb -- more than that, he must believe people are just that dumb.
Oooops, well, he was talking to the Maher audience. Sure totally contradict yourself in the space of a minute. Who cares. He doesn't.
doctrins
September 6, 2008 - 07:35 ET by rick007To hell with the fairness doctrin .
I want a Morality Doctrin.
Oh My! That will make Matthews wet his pants again. That was what he did when he said he felt a tingke up his leg.
Who would
September 6, 2008 - 07:40 ET by txcoWho would you want covering your back....Bill Maher or Sarah Palin?????
Wonder when's the last time Maher went hunting or fishing...??? You know, the things us "knuckle draggers" do?
Toobin is so phony! He's pretending to be objective.
September 6, 2008 - 08:03 ET by Ted ClarkeToobin really bothers me. He said, "I'm willing to take their word for it..." He's willing? Man-oh-man, that sure is generous of him. His comment doesn't sound like a testament to Sarah Palin's honesty. It sounds like a testament to his own goodness. "Look at me, everybody. I'm willing to believe her even though there are plenty of reasons not to."
How difficult could it be to cast all doubts aside? These news organizations have all the money and resources to dig up dirt on the ones they don't like. They're also quite good at burying dirt on behalf of the ones they DO like. But if they simply float a scandal out there that is neither validated nor invalidated, then they can pass themselves off as objective (like Toobin) while scoring political points for their side. If they really wanted the truth, they would have it. But the truth doesn't serve their agenda. The better play is to dangle a question mark over Sarah Palin's head. By doing this, they can sully her good name and reputation without risking their own credibility. Jeffrey Toobin and his pals at CNN are slime-covered, mudsucking, bottom-dwellers of the most repugnant kind. I can't wait to see them fall to pieces when their Boy-Toy Obama dissolves into the insubstantial puff of smoke that he is.
That reminds me. I saw a movie the other day called "Perfume". The main character is a guy with a super-human sense of smell who believes that a person's individual scent is the manifestation of his or her soul. But when he discovers that he, himself, HAS no scent, he is driven to despair and to murder. To me, this guy has a lot in common with Barrack Obama and the ending of the movie looks to me like a vision of what is in store for the Democratic Party. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it (but for adults only). If you have seen it, I'm curious if you see the same parallels that I do. Isn't Barrack a lot like the guy who can't smell himself? And aren't the Democrats a lot like those people who lose their minds to a cloud of nothingness? What do you think?
Downs Syndrome
September 6, 2008 - 08:22 ET by Baltimore_BethI don't believe it's possible for a 17 year old to have a baby with DS. DS babies are born to women over forty. A woman whose eggs/ovaries are young wouldn't have a baby with chromosome abnormalities.And as pointed out above, it would be nearly impossible for a woman to get pregnant again within a month of giving birth.
It is possibel Beth
September 6, 2008 - 08:29 ET by Cool ArrowBut probabilities rise dramatically after 36.
What is impossible is for a woman to have overlapping pregnancies. i.e A four month old child and one still in the oven.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
"What is impossible is for
September 6, 2008 - 09:31 ET by ckc1227"What is impossible is for a woman to have overlapping pregnancies. i.e A four month old child and one still in the oven. "
Bingo. You can't be 5 months pregnant if you had a baby 4 months ago....well, except in liberal fantasy land, where anything is possible.
“I'm not that convinced
September 6, 2008 - 08:37 ET by Jack BauerWow. An eight word sentence, and three of them are "that."
What's up with that?
The only reason I watched him at all...
September 6, 2008 - 09:04 ET by connmanwas because I heard Laura Ingraham say she was going to be on. Did anyone see her? I stayed tuned in for a few minutes because I saw that Steele was a "guest" on his panel. As it was mentioned earlier, Maher throws out his BS, venom, and lies and nobody ever challenges him. His dolts in the audience are constantly ROFL. Maher is a gutless snivelling jackass. If he had a pair he would have a conservative guest on with a pair! Oh and Michael Steele your nervous laughter just wasn't doing it for me. Just once I'd like to see somebody stick it in his ear. Oh yea the show is taped and edited, fat chance of that happening. One last thing, when he had the gay guy on I think his name is Savage, he couldn't help but bring up Larry Craig with the RNC being in ST Paul and all.
His disgusting language and behavior were bad enough, but there has always been something I wondered since the sting that bagged the despicable Craig.
You see, this wasn't a sex sting operation, no no it was a GAY sex sting operation. You would think this moron Savage and GLAAD would have been up in arms. I wonder why they weren't ummmm oh never mind!
Time to cancel this garbage!
This town needs an enema! - The Joker
"That-man" and "Toobin".
September 6, 2008 - 09:08 ET by Jerry"Wow. An eight word sentence, and three of them are "that.""
Hey, it's "That-man" and "Toobin".... Do-do do-do do-do do-do...
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Maher is the typical East
September 6, 2008 - 08:40 ET by ConservativeRexMaher is the typical East Coast smartass who thinks he knows everything, everything he says is witty and intellectual and people from other places in the country just wouldn't get it anyway. The crowd he speaks to nods their head and laughs with him. Everyone else just wants to kick his ass for being such a lunkhead. But, if you're a real American, a patriot, he doesn't want anything to do with you. These fellas are yellow-bellies. They always will be. They weren't raised right is the biggest problem.
Why would I pay for HBO
September 6, 2008 - 09:18 ET by evilcontractorJust think, HBO actually pays Bill Mayer to say this crap. It is a really terrible business plan to insult 40-50% of your potential customers. All they have to do is look at MSNBC and see where this kind of programming decisions leads----Dead Last Place.
Evilcontractor, my sentiments exactly!
September 6, 2008 - 10:37 ET by goldenthroatI blogged about this yesterday when it first came out on NewsMax - can you imagine if it had been Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Dennis Miller making a comment about one of Osama Bama's children like this? They would have been fired on the spot!
HBO has no guts to get rid of this pond-scum, low-life, left-wing, pathetic excuse for a human being and never will.
"The sun's not going down, the horizon's moving up!" - Firesign Theatre
I am convinced
September 6, 2008 - 09:53 ET by ShaftBigScoreThat Bill Maher's mother passed up on a late term abortion. She should have used her motherly right on him. The world would have less one clown.
" On my signal, unleash hell" Maximus Decimus Meridius
Cancel HBO
September 6, 2008 - 10:02 ET by ClericalGalIf people can cancel US Magazine for smearing Palin, why not HBO?
Helping...... Barack...... Obama
September 6, 2008 - 10:28 ET by connmanHell no HBO....Hell no HBO.
Cancel HBO and tell them why NOW!
This town needs an enema! - The Joker
Can you cancel..
September 6, 2008 - 10:33 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. BHO too?
PALIN/McCain 2008
Sarge Rock... Don't I
September 6, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Clear thinkerSarge Rock...
Don't I wish! Palin Baby Wars - Liberals on Warpath
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Being a unfunny comedian is no job for a man
September 6, 2008 - 10:59 ET by jefflebowskiMaher is a whiny, pasty little pathetic waste of oxygen. He is not funny, intelligent and has no endearing qualities whatsoever.
What is it with these types that make them so popular to the left wing? Oh, they're miserable losers too!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Trig is just as possibly
September 6, 2008 - 11:10 ET by dmntd1Trig is just as possibly Bristol's son, as Natasha Obama is Malia's daughter. I demand DNA testing to PROVE that these children are the actual children of BHO and Ms Proud-To-Be-An-American!
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini
FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!!
September 6, 2008 - 11:24 ET by STANISZCHARLIE This is one of many reasons why the doctrine has to be reinstated immediately. From what i hear or watch on radio or the tv it would seem to damage the left more than the right. PBS, MSNBC, CNN, HBO, ABC, NBC AND CBS. Every one of these socalled news and entertainment are run by left wing loonies who want this country turned into a gomorah. And as for the right if they keep up the truth and factual reporting they would have nothing to worry about as the left would never request equal time.
I'm with Bill Maher
September 6, 2008 - 17:37 ET by kathy5319I'm with Bill Maher on this... not convinced at all. There are way too many oddities, and circumstantial stuff, without any clear refutations... like, the DaRn Birth Certificate or hospital photos of Sarah Palin with Trig. These have been asked for and ignored. You skeptics are assuming your timelines are perfect.
Also, the relevance as to why this matters, is 1) Truthfulness 2)Sarah Palin and the New Evangelicals want to govern women's reproductive choices.
Kathy... Sarah Palin and
September 6, 2008 - 17:54 ET by bigtimerKathy...
Sarah Palin and the New Evangelicals want to govern women's reproductive choices.
Govern womens reproductive organs...are you nuts?
Oh please...get real.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Holy Smokes!
September 6, 2008 - 18:04 ET by BlondeAnother 1 Week, 6 Hour wonder.
Go figure!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B... Yep...I checked that
September 6, 2008 - 18:11 ET by bigtimerB...
Yep...I checked that out too...gettin' to be more fun than a barrel of maraca's...
For you PC sensitive critters..I meant that in good humor.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BigTimer, You don't
September 6, 2008 - 18:10 ET by kathy5319BigTimer,
You don't understand me? -or- are you proposing that you, A Rush fan disagree? I think Palin's pro-life/anti-choice stance is non-disputable. Spin it for me, will you?
Kathy, kathy,
September 6, 2008 - 18:13 ET by bigtimerKathy, kathy, kathy...
Spin what...I asked you if you were nuts....
I mean it too.
I know a trollster when I see one sweetheart.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BigTimer, BigTimer,
September 6, 2008 - 18:21 ET by kathy5319BigTimer, BigTimer, BigTimer,
I stated that Palin and the New Evangelicals want to govern over the reproductive choices of women. ((some people think that this topic is really kinda private, and shouldn't be news as well as dictated by the govermment)))
You replied somehow surprised? I disagree with the Party that speaks for god and summons hurricanes.
Kathy...little one...you
September 6, 2008 - 18:33 ET by bigtimerKathy...little one...you take care of your own reproductive rights. YOU and you alone.
Didn't you know that?
Geesh...
...why do we have to explain everything to trolls...
By the way, the term reproductive rights is so...I don't know...icky...plus it is way past old...you leftist NOW women are insane...let alone pathetic.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT,Why do you assume, I'm a
September 6, 2008 - 18:47 ET by kathy5319BT,
Why do you assume, I'm a troll? I googled Bill Maher and found this article (saw the video) and wanted to respond. I think Maher is Brilliant!!
I also think that while abortion is a tragedy... no one is pro-abortion. I also think Palin's daughters pregnancy is a tragedy and Palin's mothering of this country would be a nightmare. Icky.
I also think it is a tragedy what is happening to the Constitution and Civil Rights* and that Fundamentalists want to mess with it via their stealth tactics.
*'lest you misunderstand, I'm speaking of many other issues.
I also think Rush is a fine (cough) Christian
Good luck! Go Obama/Biden Go Maher!!!
kathy... ROFLMAO! Surely
September 6, 2008 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerkathy...
ROFLMAO! Surely you jest...
I don't assume...I know.
You made it too easy also, right off the bat...didn't they teach ya' better?
But heck, it's been fun...I like amusement in the evenings...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
September 6, 2008 - 19:01 ET by MrShy"I think Maher is Brilliant!!"
Bigtimer, this one's a whole lot worse than we thought.
Talk about "Icky".
How old are you, Kathy? Yes, it's a condescending question, so sue me.
There's always gay lounges and private "parties" you could do.. Stop the videos.. ask your boyfriends for a "reach around"! -- Rog "all class" the Shrub, YouTube :p
Howdy Mrs.... Yeah, she's
September 6, 2008 - 19:19 ET by bigtimerHowdy Mrs....
Yeah, she's a load of fun...I like playing with little trollsters like her if it's a slow mellow evening and I'm in the mood.
Much more to come before election day too...they just keep on truckin' in here.
Wonder how many we're gonna' get just from all the different arena's they guys were on during the convention...a lot of advertising for NBs with the work they did.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BigT
September 6, 2008 - 19:25 ET by MrShyYes! I'm noticing this, too, that since the Palin pick and the major shift of momentum back in the GOP camp, we're suddently getting a serious up-tick of new trollster sign-ups.
Ranting and raving on their little libturd sites isn't fulfilling enough for them these days, so they're taking their anger out going into the enemy's den.
There's always gay lounges and private "parties" you could do.. Stop the videos.. ask your boyfriends for a "reach around"! -- classy Roger the Shrubber, YouTube :p
BT, Back at 'ya! Have a nice
September 6, 2008 - 19:01 ET by kathy5319BT,
Back at 'ya! Have a nice evening!
kathy
September 6, 2008 - 18:55 ET by MrShyKathy, Kathy, Kathy... Shy, Shy, Shy here....
"I disagree with the Party that speaks for god" is such kool-aid/stereotype crapola that you've been drinking, of the GOP and religion. I'm atheist/agnostic, and you think I've gotten any beef about that from members around here? No, none... nada.
A party that's, well, more rooted in God (I'm respectful of the religion, btw, so I use the capital "G", as I even do this with one I have a lot less respect for, Islam, or in mentioning Allah) than the religiously-fervent non-religious left/Democrat party, is maybe the reason I find it more appealing. By all accounts, it's way less hypocritical, less narcissistic, less full of b.s. about feeding the world and the whales, oh, but "f**k you" to the person next to you (sort of quoting an old friend there) and so on...
There's always gay lounges and private "parties" you could do.. Stop the videos.. ask your boyfriends for a "reach around"! -- Rog "all class" the Shrub, YouTube :p
ShyShy, I want to respond,
September 6, 2008 - 19:03 ET by kathy5319ShyShy,
I want to respond, but I gotta go.
Have a good one.
Mr.Shy
September 7, 2008 - 03:41 ET by well99You mean we have been saving all that wood for nothing?Guess I better cancel the order for marshmellows.Still waiting on next video on youtube.
Kathy
September 6, 2008 - 19:03 ET by BlondeYour little diminuative version of the dKos talking points are still totally recognizable here. So your subterfuge didn't quite pan out, now, did it?
So, to address one of your DKOS points: No one wants to "govern" reproductive rights of women. We'd just like you to think about it, make your "choice" before you spread your legs....like that.
I think it is a really private choice, BTW. Apparently, you and your liberal sisters prefer to make one's reproductive choices a matter of public debate....hence your relentless attacks on Sarah Palin.
But I digress.
You'd disagree with God if he reached down and smacked you on the forehead.
Go for that....it might work out for you yet.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I'll respond to this, too.
September 6, 2008 - 19:05 ET by kathy5319I'll respond to this, too. But not now. FWIW
Terribly clever for a liberal
September 6, 2008 - 22:30 ET by BlondeWow, Kath....you are a freakin' tactical genious.
Carry on.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Kathy, reproductive choices of women
September 6, 2008 - 19:40 ET by jefflebowskiI really think its a little strange for people of both sides of this controversy. Especially, when that is the sole focus of whom they will vote for.
I believe personally that abortion is wrong. I believe that life begins at conception. It certainly isn't a basketball that starts growing. But I also believe that the decision is between the mother and God. If she aborts a baby, she will have to answer for it one day. I also, however, believe that States should be able to make laws concerning abortion..not the federal government.
Just my two cents.
Jeff Lebowski
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Well exactly Jeff...she
September 6, 2008 - 19:51 ET by bigtimerWell exactly Jeff...she knows Palin is for states rights too...she's just a trollin'...
Plus she just had to put that line in there about hurricanes too...hmmm...seems to me it was Don Fowler who had the great glee for the hurricane happening...seems to me the former DNC head was caught on tape....lmao!
By the way, I finally caught up with your site today...commented on a lot of the blog posts too....love it!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Jeff - reply to you
September 7, 2008 - 01:25 ET by kathy5319Jeff,
My opinion of this issue, referred to on tv-coverage as the "social issues"... and "when will they come up?" etc, remarks the analysts is that this issue Women... Women's bodies, and feminism IS the Elephant in the room this election. Trumping Race, perhaps. I think there are other issues, hugely important... and I think Sarah Palin was chosen well for the Republican strategy, precisely for the social issues. I also think it is divisive on so many levels and distracting, and I also think Sarah Palin is solely in the election for the Evangelicals, who own the party. (That would be a different blog)
Concerning abortion: Currently as it stands now, as we know, abortions are available to women in the US, all states, period. Yes, I have heard the push to have the issue be voted state by state. You just stated, that although you believe it is wrong, it is between a woman and God. I know that Palin and Pro-Lifers ultimately want abortion outlawed, period. And any steps they are taking, pushing for is towards that goal in small steps. Palin also is against sex education. I know that for a fact, in her own words. I also know that many in "Feminists for Life" consider hormonal birth control methods as abortificants and that s/b illegal, and promote only natural cycle/method or abstinance only.
Palin is against a woman being able to seek abortion, even in the case of rape or incest.
I too, think abortion is wrong, but I think the decision must be and remain a womans to make.
Kathy I have to take issue
September 7, 2008 - 04:19 ET by James2306Kathy I have to take issue with your last statement "but I think the decision must be and remain a womans to make." This statement shows a level of hatred towards men that is unbelieveable. How can any decision involving the child or potential child be only the womens to make? I believe it takes two to make a woman pregnant so why is this only a ONE person decision? Do you support a mans right to not pay child support if the mother chooses to have the baby against his wishes? Without shared responsibility in the decision you are holding men in exactly the same situation that you say you are in without the unfettered right to abortion on demand i.e. no reproductive freedom. Wouldnt that make you a hypocrite?
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
Bullseye, James!
September 8, 2008 - 08:43 ET by Indiana Joe"I believe it takes two to make a woman pregnant so why is this only a ONE person decision? Do you support a mans right to not pay child support if the mother chooses to have the baby against his wishes?"
This is an intrinsic part of the abortion debate that has thus far been completely ignored. Why doesn't a man have the "right" to decide he's "not ready" to be a father?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
kathy
September 6, 2008 - 18:03 ET by MrShy"I'm with Bill Maher"
Stay with Bill Maher.
There's always gay lounges and private "parties" you could do.. Stop the videos.. ask your boyfriends for a "reach around"! -- Rog "all class" the Shrub, YouTube :p
This is the scumbag
September 6, 2008 - 18:55 ET by Jack BauerThis is the scumbag opinions we've come down to. A mother has to "prove" to a moron like you something about the birth of her child.
What an offensive jerk you truly are. Utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself, but unfortunately leftists have no shame. You wouldn't know "truth" if it kicked you in the ass.
By the way, everything Maher does or says is for publicity and ratings. Stick that in your birth canal.
Brother Jack! Amen and
September 6, 2008 - 19:02 ET by bigtimerBrother Jack!
Amen and hallelujah to that!!!
Can I have an Amen?....I can't hear you...can I have an Amen brothers and sisters?!....I still can't hear you!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
A response to Kathy about abortion.
September 6, 2008 - 22:20 ET by Ted ClarkeHello Kathy,
First off, I think your willingness to opine with this group, knowing full well that you won't find much support, is very admirable. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. As far as I'm concerned, the term "troll" describes a person who is interested in disrupting or corrupting a discussion through mischief. From what I've read of your posts, you are not a troll.
I just want to respond to a comment you made. You said that no one is pro-abortion. This is blatantly not true. Imagine an abortion clinic protest where pro-life people and pro-abortion people are faced off against each other. If a conflicted woman goes there to abort her baby, a kind of tug-o-war takes place over her. The Pro-life crowd says, "Don't do it! Let your baby live!" The Pro-abortion crowd says, "Don't listen to them! Do it!" One side will be energized by her ultimate choice and claim victory. The other side, however, will cry "Foul!" and slink away in defeat. If the so-called "Pro-choice" movement were truly pro-choice, they would have no interest in influencing her decision one way or the other. It's her choice, right? So what business is it of theirs? The simple fact that they are there and taking sides exposes their hand. To them, life is the wrong choice and abortion is the right one.
I do, however, make a big distinction between the Pro-abortion movement and your average, everday Pro-choice person. The former is a political machine with an anti-human and anti-freedom agenda. The latter is simply a person who has bought into the false idea that kind, sophisticated, open-minded people are "Pro-choice" and mean, religious, close-minded people are "Anti-choice".
You, Kathy, can assert that you are not pro-abortion. But you can't claim that about all of those who are on your side of the debate. Some of you are for barbaric partial-birth abortion techniques and some of you aren't. Some of you agree with Barrack Obama that the life of a baby that survives a botched abortion has no inalienable right to live and should be neglected to death. Some of you don't agree. And there are even some of you who support a parent's "right" to get rid of an unwanted baby 6 months after he or she is born. So please don't be so bold to assert that no one is pro-abortion. That is just flat out wrong.
There's much more to say on the subject but I've said enough. I would hope that you think a bit more deeply about this subject and understand what is truly at stake. If you want to take issue with me, I will keep an eye out for your response. I promise I'll be respectful and open-minded. Thanks for taking the time to hear me out. I appreciate it. Take care.
Ted
Ted, - reply to you
September 7, 2008 - 01:19 ET by kathy5319Ted,
I realize that in this forum there are irreconcilable differences, just like there is on the issue of abortion. Because of this, I think Pro-choice is the