Instead of just flat-out making a hypocrisy accusation against “the social conservatives” who “are rallying behind” Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin following news her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, CBS's Jeff Greenfield suggested “very conservative Republicans” may be hypocrites based on how they might have reacted eleven years ago. On Monday's CBS Evening News, Greenfield, at the site of the delayed Republican convention, felt compelled to share:
The one question that occurs to me is if 17-year-old Chelsea Clinton had become pregnant while living in the White House, would the reaction on the part of the Family Research Council and other very conservative Republicans been the same? Maybe it would have been, but it's a question worth asking.
Meanwhile, during the CBS News special at 10 PM EDT, Katie Couric whined to Nicolle Wallace of the McCain campaign: “Why wasn't the campaign, your campaign more pro-active about releasing this information? Why did you wait until sort of rumors and innuendos forced your hand?” Couric implied Bristol Palin's pregnancy should have disqualified her mother and suggested Sarah Palin was not putting her daughter's interests first.
Couric's first two questions to Wallace:
Now I understand that this information, this news about Sarah Palin's daughter did, in fact, come out during the vetting process. When Senator McCain or the McCain campaign was told of this, did it give them or the Senator any pause?
So during the vetting process, did Governor Palin ever express concern to you all that this might be too much to put her daughter through -- this white hot light of scrutiny and publicity?
After inquiring about why the campaign was not “more pro-active about releasing this information,” Couric moved on to questions about Palin's “professional credentials” and what Wallace guessed to be a question about Palin only being Governor for two years – satellite break-up for Couric in New Orleans meant only a few of her words could be heard.
Back to the September 1 Evening News, Greenfield's initial take on the Palin pregnancy and the fears of “graybeard” and “elitist” Republicans:
On the Sarah Palin-Bristol Palin story about the child: The social conservatives are rallying behind her completely. The Family Research Council, one of the most significant groups, put out a statement saying the decision to marry and have a child is in full sync with family values. I think it's fair to say among the more traditional, maybe graybeard, maybe elitist Republicans -- if that's the right word -- there is some concern about what this tells us about the vetting process and a lot of concern about the fact that Governor Palin is so unknown that there may be stuff out there about her political background, financial background, the fact that she was for that infamous bridge to nowhere before she came out against it may not have been known to the McCain people. That's the sort of thing they're worried about, Katie.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





Now I understand that this information, this news about Sarah Palin's daughter did, in fact, come out during the vetting process. When Senator McCain or the McCain campaign was told of this, did it give them or the Senator any pause?
















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Why would it be "a question worth asking"?
September 2, 2008 - 03:36 ET by IamTinmanIt didn't happen, so any response is just a guess colored by the respondents political affiliation. It may be amusing after-cocktail conversation, but has no basis in fact.
AS far as Governor Palin only having 2 years of executive experience, that's 2 more years than Obama, and Biden combined!
Concerning her daughters pregnancy, neither the daughter or the baby is currently running for office so why is it anybodys business?
Palin was only Governor for less than 2 years
September 2, 2008 - 03:49 ET by PopularTech- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years) (pop: 670,053)
Palin's daughter being pregnant has EVERYTHING to do with social conservative's outcry for family values. Their hypocritical partisan defense of this issue is disturbing.
The question asked is VERY relevant and I continue to be one of the only people being honest about how it would be treated here. If Hillary Clinton's daughter was pregnant at 17 and unmarried, you would be having a field day here.
Now because all the single issue voters are embarrassed by this news they desperately try to use any argument to make it go away, it's not.
Again?
September 2, 2008 - 04:04 ET by dodecahedronYou really don't like Governor Palin, do you? Did she hurt you somehow?
I don't vote for leaders because they are perfect. I vote for them because their values are more similar to mine than their opponents.
I really don't like affirmative action
September 2, 2008 - 06:51 ET by PopularTechWill you please get it right - one time, seriously.
PT
September 2, 2008 - 06:55 ET by dodecahedronPT, affirmative action is when an employer is forced to hire a candidate based upon their status as a minority. John McCain wasn't forced to choose Governor Palin. He chose her because he believes she is the most qualified person to be the vice president and to help him win the presidency.
Palin - McCain's affirmative action pick
September 2, 2008 - 06:58 ET by PopularTechMcCain chose Palin because he wanted to play identity politics and was not concerned about putting the best interests of the country first which would be picking the most qualified person for the job. Palin was chosen because she was a woman, plain and simple.
PT
September 2, 2008 - 07:08 ET by dodecahedronStill, it couldn't have been affirmative action if Governor Palin was McCain's choice, could it?
John McCain won the Republican presidential nomination so it was his job to decide who is most qualified for VP. If you had won the nomination then you could have decided who was most qualified.
So McCain is incompetent or playing identity politics?
September 2, 2008 - 07:14 ET by PopularTechWhich is it? Neither one looks good.
PT
September 2, 2008 - 07:17 ET by dodecahedronDoes it have to be one or the other? He's won a few elections before. Is it possible that he knows a little more about winning elections than you do?
No it could be both
September 2, 2008 - 07:20 ET by PopularTechIt could definitely be both, I agree.
PT
September 2, 2008 - 07:25 ET by dodecahedronUp to that point I thought you were going to introduce me to the innovative logic which helps you come to your conclusions.
Now you're just being silly, aren't you?
Both as in....
September 2, 2008 - 07:48 ET by PopularTechIncompetent and playing identity politics, I consider them one and the same.
You really didn't answer his
September 2, 2008 - 08:23 ET by FoolicanYou really didn't answer his question.
No
September 2, 2008 - 08:36 ET by PopularTech...I am not being silly.
So are you ignorant or just plain stupid?
September 2, 2008 - 07:48 ET by DamianoI am sure that you're answer would be "neither" but I am inclinded to disagree, based on the available information.
Regardless... Has it occured to you that asking a question that is solely based on 2 unsubstantiated points of view like this does not actually offer a choice at all, but only the opportunitity to make you look like and idiot or for idiots like you to elaborate on you nonsense?
Since you are clearly not interested in anything but Daily Kos-type talking points that support your own view, I am likely wasting my time. But, in the interests of potentially expanding your vacant mind:
Considering McCain's exemplary record of documented personal, professional and political acheivments and that he has been so well respected by his opposition that Joe Biden expressed interest in running with him in this campaign and he was suggested as a running mate in Kerry's campaign; I feel that it is conclusive that he is not incompetent.
To conclude that he was playing identity politics would require evidence, of which you have none. On the contrary, he has stated and it is easily documented, that he chose Palin because she best reflects his views and has a track record of acheivement that proves that she is both a capable and competent leader who is more than qualified to be Vice President. Since we can already prove that he is not incompetant and that his judgment is well respected as it related to potentially being president by both supporters and oppposition; we must similarly conclude that these reasons are valid. Alas, we have also disproven identity politics.
Which brings be back to my initial answer to your question:
So, are you ignorant or just plain stupid?
PopularTech? I'd say both.
September 2, 2008 - 07:55 ET by bretzysdudePopularTech? I'd say both.
McCain's political achievements?
September 2, 2008 - 08:37 ET by PopularTechI asked a question based on the facts.
I am clearly interested in reality.
What like McCain-Lieberman, Mccain-Kennedy, The Keating Five or McCain-Feingold?
His suggestion as a running mate for Kerry simply shows how truly liberal his views are!
McCain's "competence" is very much in question, especially once it is learned that he was seriously considering Joe Lieberman.
Evidence of Identity Politics: Palin is not the most educated or experienced for the job. Hillary Clinton supporters are upset, Palin is a woman that could appeal to them.
Apparently your standards are not very high:
Palin...
- B.S. Journalism
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715) (Votes: 909)
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years) (pop: 670,053)
I am apparently much more intelligent than you.
"I am apparently much more
September 19, 2008 - 22:40 ET by contrary"I am apparently much more intelligent than you."
most ***holes think so.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The "Dooper
In tight with the Johnmeister huh?
September 2, 2008 - 07:54 ET by JWFExactly when did your buddy John lay this whole thing out for you? Over a game of chess? Texted it did he? Whilst sharing a beer?
I am physic
September 2, 2008 - 08:24 ET by PopularTechI am physic and have magic powers.
Physic
September 2, 2008 - 08:27 ET by Cool ArrowI'm going to interpret that as psychic?
Just a clarification. I don't normally correct spelling. Not meant as a slam.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Well I still have magic powers!
September 2, 2008 - 08:34 ET by PopularTechThat's something you don't have.
Wake up PT
September 2, 2008 - 10:01 ET by Cool ArrowDungeons and Dragons isn't real.
Neither is Age of Empires or The SIMMS.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Damn
September 2, 2008 - 10:08 ET by PopularTechWhy, why, why!!!!!!!!!!!!! (crys)
PT
September 2, 2008 - 10:13 ET by Cool ArrowThought you might appreciate that one.
My son is a big AoE fanatic. My blogging is just as addictive to me as his games are to him.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Don't you get it?
September 2, 2008 - 07:54 ET by bretzysdudeDon't you get it? PopularTech and Palin sitting in a tree...
No not really
September 2, 2008 - 08:25 ET by PopularTechI am not Bill O'Reilly.
During eight years of the
September 2, 2008 - 04:07 ET by FranksamDuring eight years of the Clinton administration, the media kept their hands off of Chelsea, as they should have. The Bush twins have received scrutiny and every mis-step has been reported big time.
For the first time in my life, I agree with B. Hussein-O. Leave candidates kids out of the picture. Apparently you think they're fair game.
Holier than thou
September 2, 2008 - 06:56 ET by PopularTechOh please spare me the holier than thou crap. If Chelsea or the Bush twins were pregnant it would be BIG NEWS and you know it. If it was Chelsea the right would be going on and on about family values, social decline ect... If it was Bush the left would be laughing and calling Bush a hypocrite on family values.
Apparently I think that Palin's 17 year old daughter being knocked-up is relevant to the discussion of family values and social problems. It also represents a failure of Mrs. Palin's parental skills. Sorry if the truth is too much for you to deal with.
pop
September 2, 2008 - 07:34 ET by kilrodpop went duck hunting in Texas, He shot and dropped a bird, but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence. As pop climbed over the fence, Sarah Palin rode up on a polar-bear and asked him what he was doing. The attorney responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and now I'm going in to retrieve it." Sarah replied, "This is my property, and you are not coming over here." poop said, "I am one of the best computeroligist in the country, and if you don't let me get that duck, I'll sue you and take everything you own." Sarah smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we do things in Texas are Alaska. Down here we settle small disagreements like this with the 'Three-Kick Rule'." pop asked, "Just what IS the Three-Kick Rule?" Sarah replied. "Well, first I kick you three times, and then you kick me three times, and so on, back and forth, until someone gives up." poop quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take a woman. He agreed to abide by the local custom. Sarah jumped down from the polar-bear and walked up to pop. Her first kick planted the toe of her heavy oil-field work boot into pop's groin and dropped him to his knees. Her second kick nearly wiped pop's nose off his face. poop was flat on his belly when her third kick to the kidney area nearly caused him to give up. pop summoned every bit of his will, managed to get to his feet, and said, "Okay, Sarah, now it's MY turn." SARAH PALIN smiled and said, "Naw, I give up. You can have the duck." ~~~~~
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Not this moronic story again...
September 2, 2008 - 07:45 ET by PopularTechI don't hunt but lets entertain this. First I would not threaten to sue over a dead duck, second I would never willingly let anyone kick me and third if I was armed and someone tried they would get shot.
This gets more idiotic each time.
No, YOU get more idiotic
September 2, 2008 - 07:56 ET by bretzysdudeNo, YOU get more idiotic each time.
GOOD ONE! Almost as good as the moron story!
September 2, 2008 - 08:01 ET by PopularTechAlmost as funny as the story of the moron from Texas.
"ehhhh.... Do you know the 3-kick rule? Huck, Huck, Huck..."
"No sir I am a dumb attorney with a J.D. from Harvard Law and will let you kick me in the groin because us educated folk willfully like to get assaulted by morons."
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!! FRICKING HILLARIOUS!!!! I CANNOT STOP PISSING MY PANTS!!!
Another classic! It's like
September 19, 2008 - 22:35 ET by contraryAnother classic! It's like when you're in kindergarten. You have to have the last word in, no matter how juvenile.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Kind of like your arguments
September 2, 2008 - 09:29 ET by contrary"This gets more idiotic each time"
Kind of like your arguments. Are you for real? Wow, your job must be pretty easy to spend all day typing away at NB here. And what a job you've done. I can safely say, your brand of politics completely turns my stomach. Good luck with whoever in November.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Multitasking
September 2, 2008 - 09:46 ET by PopularTechWhen you learn how try it sometime. It helps if the way you make money is automated.... lets look, yep made more money while I have been typing here.
Please explain my politics to me. Then where America is "going".
Still denigrating
September 2, 2008 - 10:08 ET by contraryWow, what a come-back. Look up arguments in that dictionary of yours and figure out how to craft one.
See ya loser.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The "Dooper
Ok Winner!
September 2, 2008 - 11:15 ET by PopularTechOK Winner!
Another great point you
September 19, 2008 - 22:31 ET by contraryAnother great point you made there! Right along with the "Affirmative Action Candidate" argument, and the "I hate Palin because she's a woman but mask it by saying she doesn't have experience" argument.
Why don't you just say McCain is an idiot, Palin is an idiot, and Romney rules. At least you won't embarass yourself as much.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
...od and the moron
September 2, 2008 - 07:56 ET by PopularTech...od went looking for a dumb email in his inbox, he cut and paste the one about the attorney getting kicked by some moron from Texas. He then changed the name of the attorney and the moron and made up imaginary words like Computeroligist. ...od laughs each time he reads this dumb story because to him morons are smarter than attorneys, though in real life morons never represent themselves in court and win.
Yeah, you're right
September 2, 2008 - 09:32 ET by FranksamI can't be holier than you, PT, but I am less judgmental. I've had more than a little experience with teenagers, and was one myself some years ago. I just don't agree with you that the coverage of a Chelsea pregnancy would be treated the same way by the media as the current story, and if both the Left and Right want to judge a candidate for office by the actions of the candidates kids, I don't think it's as relevant to me as policy positions.
I suppose that if you have had children, they never screwed up. If they ever had a car accident, however, I'd have to to question your skills as a parent.
Ouch. Looks like his
September 2, 2008 - 09:40 ET by contraryOuch. Looks like his opponent will not get up from that one.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
( uses magic powers )
September 2, 2008 - 09:56 ET by PopularTechI told you I had them.
Point of View
September 2, 2008 - 09:54 ET by PopularTechFirst of all I never said the media would treate it the same way only that it would be "BIG NEWS". The right would hammer it as a lesson in family values ect...
Now on to the hypos...
Car Accident:
- caused by your kid due to incompetence, drinking ect.. partially your fault for not teaching your kid how to drive better and the consequences of dangerous behavior.
- caused by someone else that persons fault.
Simply "screwing up" and becoming a complete idiot about birth control, sex and getting pregnant are on vastly different planes of stupidity.
Conservatism.
September 2, 2008 - 04:34 ET by JWFI understand the term conservative. I am one. Conservatism is a political movement.
What exactly is a social conservative? Isn't that a leftist label to subdivide the conservative movement so as to make it easier to conquer?
PopTech, you should know better than to throw hypotheticals at people in an argument. That is frowned upon. Did you like that when people use that in an AGW argument?
Social Conservative (defined)
September 2, 2008 - 07:06 ET by PopularTechOnly important issue - Abortion
Other talking points:
- Gay Marriage should be outlawed
- The U.S. should become a Theocracy
- The Federal Government should enforce morality
- Only acceptable religion is Protestant Christianity
- Rap Music is the cause of society's problems
PT Where did you get that definition from?
September 2, 2008 - 07:15 ET by dodecahedronWhere did you get that definition from?
From the book of Poptech
September 2, 2008 - 07:22 ET by PopularTechFrom the book of Poptech
How many misguided
September 2, 2008 - 07:57 ET by bretzysdudeHow many misguided definitions does that book have?
pop tech is like a liberal
September 2, 2008 - 08:44 ET by Dee Bunkwhen it comes to Conservative values. He doesn't have a clue about the positions and just like the liberals he thinks that just because you want to encourage a high standard in public policy that it means you condemn individuals who make mistakes.
Like a liberal? ...Miss my battlecry?
September 2, 2008 - 09:16 ET by PopularTechI just ran into my street and gave the battle cry... "DIE LIBERAL DOGS!" - so I don't know who you are talking about. I am fighting the liberal hordes!!!
LIBS, will not be comin down my street!
Today I find myself a HUGE
September 2, 2008 - 09:52 ET by balboaToday I find myself a HUGE PT fan.
Why bal?
September 2, 2008 - 09:58 ET by Cool ArrowJust . . . why?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
He might just be
September 2, 2008 - 10:01 ET by sarcasmoJoking. :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
no he's not joking sarc
September 2, 2008 - 10:05 ET by Dee Bunkpoptech has the same ignorant view of social conservatives that bal does. You don't have the same opinions but you seem to understand where social conservatives are coming from. These two don't have a clue. They are very immature.
Wo, wo, wo .... I understand, now wait just one minute..
September 2, 2008 - 10:10 ET by PopularTechABORTION!!!
you are a clueless child PT
September 2, 2008 - 10:12 ET by Dee Bunkyou don't understand abortion issues.
What a bunch of
September 2, 2008 - 10:22 ET by balboaWhat a bunch of baloney.
I think if Chelsea were pregnant at 17, or Biden's teenage daughter if he had one, MANY conservatives would point to this as yet another indication of the morally depraved left. But when the RIGHT has a pregnant teen, it's a sign of strong family values suddenly.
There is little doubt that
September 2, 2008 - 10:25 ET by dvdaughtryThere is little doubt that Palin taught abstinence. There is no doubt the liberals mentioned above taught safe sex.
There is your difference between family values moral depravation.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I disagree bal
September 2, 2008 - 10:32 ET by Cool ArrowSurprising, right?
Not too long ago Brittney Spears sister (don't know her name) got pregnant and I was happy she was keeping the baby. It didn't change my opinion of her mother though I know very little of the Spears family, but my opinion of the 16 yr old girl was lifted.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Are the Spears avowed
September 2, 2008 - 10:40 ET by balboaAre the Spears avowed Democrats?
I don't know bal
September 2, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Cool ArrowBut I do see Spears' mom as morally depraved.
I was assessing my own reaction to the situation. The girl's decision was what interested me far beyond my opinion of her mother.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
bunch of baloney is right - this is bal's only argument ever
September 2, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Dee Bunkliberals do horrible rotten things and he always says that conservatives would do the same thing. Anyone can say that. That is no defense for horrible actions. Just like poptech he has no clue about conservative values.
Conservatives liked the message of Juno and Bella despite the fact that the characters who kept their babies were liberals.
Balboa and Pop tech think we don't really care about abortion and that we just use it for political reasons. They think because they don't care- we don't.
We care about abortion because we care about babies and women and they just don't get it because they have been brainwashed by politics.
Wo, wo, wo... TRUST ME
September 2, 2008 - 11:37 ET by PopularTechI believe you 100% care about ABORTION.
My point is that
September 2, 2008 - 12:05 ET by balboaMy point is that conservatives (some) would have a vastly different opinion of this matter if it were a Democrat's daughter.
I like Juno because it's a good movie.
it's ignorant to justify it like that balboa
September 2, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Dee Bunkyou have nothing to back that up with, especially with those of us commenting here.
Put up or shut up. Give some examples of a media frenzy attacking a liberal candidate's children and conservatives condoning it.
I'm not talking about the
September 2, 2008 - 14:49 ET by balboaI'm not talking about the media. I'm talking about posters, commenters. Maybe not you, but you know darn well what comments there would be. I think it's ridiculous to try and pretend otherwise.
balboa - you really see no difference between the media
September 2, 2008 - 15:07 ET by Dee Bunkmaking this idiocy a large issue and a few people making comments on a blog? Come on.
IF some people here were to start trashing minor children of candidates I certainly wouldn't defend it. What's rediculous is you trying to act like this is legitimate in any way just because you THINK conservatives would do the same. IF they did, I would sure hope that you would give them a hard time for it.
Joe Biden's adult child has not even been reported on by the media and his possible criminal activity is actually relevant.
Dee
September 2, 2008 - 15:12 ET by balboaI don't think the media should make this a big deal. They've definitely gone overboard with this.
BUT I think it's perfectly fine for someone to comment that they believe the same thing occurring in the opposite party would be treated differently by certain conservative groups.
Well at least you admit the media is wrong
September 2, 2008 - 15:37 ET by Dee BunkI still don't think it's appropriate for you to say what you did. You don't understand conservatives values positions and you don't really care to. There's certainly nothing I could say to change your incorrect assumptions.
sure a teenager having sex
September 2, 2008 - 14:53 ET by ambersure a teenager having sex clearly points to bad parenting, but a 20 year old getting arrested for drug posession and again when he was 24 and his father choosing to do a concert instead of going to him in prison represents a father who tried his hardest, but shucks, some kids are just harder than others.....
because he hates me like you do
September 2, 2008 - 10:03 ET by Dee Bunkand I could care less
No I don't
September 2, 2008 - 10:08 ET by Cool ArrowHate is a wasteful expenditure for the most part.
NB would be decidedly more dull if you weren't around.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Dee
September 2, 2008 - 10:25 ET by shawn228I can't speak for Bal only he can, but why do you think he hates you? Even when you and I, had a bad falling out I can honestly say, I never hated you. Very irritated yes, but hate no :-)
Real life video games are cool
Shawn - I didn't really mean hate
September 2, 2008 - 11:21 ET by Dee Bunkliterally. They just like to irritate me. They'll jump on with someone acting like a lunatic just to stick it to me. It doesn't matter and won't change my responses.
I could care less if every person here were sticking up for Poptech's craziness. I'd still stick to my position that his behavior is immature and inappropriate.
I am no lunatic
September 2, 2008 - 11:34 ET by PopularTechI simply drank too much Red Bull.
WTF is your problem?
September 2, 2008 - 14:59 ET by amberWTF is your problem? Conservatives already lost the presidential candidate. If McCain had picked any of your selections we would have lost big time. Palin was a brilliant pick, the media are frantic about it. They are causing another Wellstone moment and not only will that light a fire under conservatives to vote for a more conservative president, but it will get them off their butts so they can replace the democrat seats in congress. I am willing to put up with 4 years of McCain if that means I get rid of 20 Ellisons, Klobuchars, and Walzs (don't even get me started about him, I actually know this jack ars).
My problem is affirmative action
September 2, 2008 - 19:14 ET by PopularTechMcCain could have won with Romney or Rudy. You only think Palin is a brilliant pick because you are a woman. I prefer the most qualified candidate.
You don't know that Pop.
September 2, 2008 - 20:42 ET by Conservative VoiceYou don't know that Pop. I would agree that identity politics is lame, but stop with the tantrum because your guy didn't win. I was for Rudy or Romney to win in the primaries...they didn't, goof ball McCain did. I was prepared to vote Bob Barr, because McCain has poked his fingers in conservative eyes many many times, but with Palin I am willing to take a second look at McCain, especially since Obama is a nightmare.
Palin is a strong conservative, there are only a couple of things that bothers me, but to tell you the truth there were more things that bothered me from Rudy and Romney and Fred and just about everybody who ran for President. Hence she excites me not because of the fact she is a woman, but because she is a strong conservative.
I consider myself a social conservative and...
September 2, 2008 - 08:34 ET by danhat...Abortion is only 1 issue and not the only important issue.
I personally have nothing against gay unions. But calling the union of a man and a man or a woman and a woman the same as the union of a man and a woman is flat out wrong. It is NOT the same no matter how many ways you try to twist it. Words do mean something and this is why we differentiate and discriminate, even small things; slippers and steel toed boots are both foortwear but they are not the same and do not serve the same purpose.
I know 0 people who think that the U.S. should be a theocracy. By the way, there is NO mention of separation of church and state, only mention of no state sponsored religion - oh, and it says nothing about such a religion being "Protestant Christianity."
Federal, and all, even state and local, governments should have minimal intereaction with our lives. Liberalism is the "ism" that wants more government control and influence.
OK, you might be on to something with the whole Rap Music thing :). But seriously, my parents thought the same thing of the Beatles and Rolling Stones.
danhat
++++++++++++++++
Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.
Scary Stuff...
September 2, 2008 - 09:03 ET by PopularTech"By the way, there is NO mention of separation of church and state, only mention of no state sponsored religion."
Good then Islamic, Neopaganism and Rastafarianism traditions should be a part of the federal government.
No, PT. It's not that their
September 2, 2008 - 09:18 ET by KarmaNo, PT. It's not that their traditions "should be a part of the federal government", but "could be a part of the federal government". You don't see the difference, do you?
Not Really
September 2, 2008 - 09:57 ET by PopularTechWho is the deciderer on this?
That is the complete and total point, PT...
September 2, 2008 - 10:13 ET by danhat...If we were an Islamic, Neo paganistic Rastafaianistic nation, one might expect references to such as the norm. If you wish to indulge in, as an individual, Islamic, Neopaganism and Rastafarianism traditions, in this, the greatest country humanity has seen up to this point in time, you are free to do so and not restricted by, nor encouraged by, the government.
As to references to God, via government, ( the Pledge, Bible in court, etc...) so what! It hurts nothing and is not an endorsement by the State. We happen to be a predominantly Christian nation and always have been. Duh!, there will be Christian references.
Endorsements and reference are NOT the same.
danhat
++++++++++++++++
Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.
'Under God' was added in 1954
September 2, 2008 - 10:21 ET by PopularTechIt was never in the pledge for a reason and appears no where in the Constitution.
The mention in the pledge and on money is a clear violation of church and state.
You're right and wrong
September 2, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Cool ArrowIt's not in the Constitution. But it was the Declaration of Independence that was won under fire.
Having won the war, was it then expedient to forsake the Power we called upon in our time of need?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
The really fun part
September 2, 2008 - 10:32 ET by sarcasmoIs the reason why TR & Augustus St. Gaudens wanted no God motto on the No Motto $20 gold pieces, from back when our money was real. Of course, Congress then had to do their best to pretend whorehouses don't exist & clutter up the original coin design, as if referencing a deity would stop the inevitable...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Muskets or Canon?
September 2, 2008 - 10:47 ET by PopularTechIn their time of need, they called upon both.
How can I be wrong if I never mentioned the Declaration of Independence? You would think that the constitution being our rights would reference God yet it does not.
PT...
September 2, 2008 - 11:22 ET by danhat..., again, a reference and an endorsement ARE NOT the same. This is simply a reflection of our past and, apparently to the chagrin of most liberals, current society.
This may be different in 100 years and as such, if God has not been killed off completely by fearful liberals, may be reflected of referenced differently at such a time.
danhat
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Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.
Religion is NOT part of our government.
September 2, 2008 - 15:23 ET by CobraManReligion is NOT part of our government, and it never has been. Religion is a PERSONAL issue with Americans, not a governmental issue. I dare you to link to ANY law that establishes ANY governmental religion, even Christianity.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
You only consider it to be
September 2, 2008 - 04:13 ET by Conservative VoiceYou only consider it to be disturbing because you either don't understand that it is family values to PROTECT your family from holier than thou elitistst who would rather have the youth abort the kid, or your judgment is clouded from being anti-Palin. Family values doesn't mean everyone is suppose to be Celestrial Beings, you would think someone with your vast experience on this blog would understand that...as well as when your kid makes a mistake, you do the right thing...she is getting married! The other correct decision would be to put the kid up for adoption.
If the same thing happened to Clinton, lets see, in order to really compare apples to apples, you would have to show that Mr. Palin not only had affairs, but raped woman, sexually harrassed women the same age as his daughter, commit perjury, all the while show that Mrs Palin looked the other way because her eye was on getting elected. Even then the only thing most conservatives would pick a bone with the Clintons is if the Clintons encouraged their daugter to have an abortion. Because this conservative would of applauded President Clinton and Hillary if they helped their daughter own up and put their grandkid up for adoption, or encouraged her to get married. Because that is the right thing to do. How am I confident with that? Because I have two adopted kids...which I wouldn't of been able to adopt if I was throwing mud at the birth mom because she lacked "family values" and if I did throw the mud, I would be the one lacking in family values...because she wanted to have her kid be in a family with a loving father and mother. That is family values.
Last thing, since when is it news to declare a might of been? Thats right, its news when you happen to have the same ax to grind.
I guess your vast experience on this blog only carried you so far huh.
Family Values means teenage pregnancy?
September 2, 2008 - 08:38 ET by PopularTechAh, so now all family values means is anti-abortion.
You declare a "might have been" when it is a blatant truth.
Family values means family love and support
September 2, 2008 - 08:47 ET by Dee Bunkand getting through tough times without resorting to murdering and inconvenient child.
Ah ok so it means anti-abortion
September 2, 2008 - 09:06 ET by PopularTechGot it!
right pop tech - as far as laws go
September 2, 2008 - 09:16 ET by Dee Bunkabortion is the only major "value" that they want restrictions by way of law on. Some also want laws and amendments defining marriage but most just want the current laws enforced and any changes to them decided by the people not the courts.
Keep trying and you may actually start to understand.
Yes, PopTech
September 2, 2008 - 09:17 ET by Cool ArrowFamily values equals abortion to the same extent a InfoTech expertise equals mouse click.
You're looking to codify family values into a box that is too small.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Get real, poser
September 2, 2008 - 15:43 ET by CobraManStop trying to make a pregnancy into a liability, that's just what the liberals think when they support abortions! Also, try to learn something about Family Values before you to use them in an argument.
"Family Values" means SUPPORTING your family members and not abandoning them when they become inconvenient to youself or others. That's just what this young girl is attempting to do, support her unborn child, and she is not trying to avoid the responsibilities that a child entails upon any parent. That's a perfect example of a strong commitment to Family Values, wouldn't you agree?
Sarah Palin (along with the rest of her family) is also displaying a commitment to Family Values by fully accepting her daughter's pregnancy and supporting her and her child. Unlike you, I applaud the Palin family for their decision to fully support all of their family members, even the "unexpected" or "special" ones.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Issue? What issue?
September 2, 2008 - 05:30 ET by DamianoPerhaps you can clarify- what issue are you referring to and what news is it that will not go away? A pregnant 17 year old is neither an issue or even particularly news. While I concede that pregnancies within the immediate family of public figures are often noted by the media and that a pregnancy is something that most would agree should not go away (since we are talking about a human life), I fail to understand your argument.
You also cite embarassment, but again, you have lost me. Gov. Palin's statement showed no signs of embarassment of any kind. On the contrary, she expressed that she and her family loved her daughter very much and were proud of her decision to take responsibility for her pregnancy by giving birth to a child. Releasing a statement to the national media that stresses love and pride in one's daughter also does not seem to be something that would indicate embarassment of any kind.
So what exactly is it that is anyone is supposed to be "embarassed" about or should "go away"? Every day in this country, young women get pregnant. While in many cases it is not a planned or preferred event, it is none the less a reality. I would think that any parent, regardless of political affiliation, would prefer that their children reach a more mature age than 17 before they are faced with such as life changing event. So I also must ask, where is the family values hypocracy that you seem so irritated about? Do you or anyone you know encourage 17 year olds to get pregnant?
As far as I can tell, teen pregnancy is as issue that is of equal concern to all responsible adults. The only "news" here is that we have a Vice Presidential candidate that can relate directly to this concern we all share through her experience with her own family. It seems to me that, regardless of party affiliation, Americans would welcome the opportunity to have a more open and real world discussion on how best to address something that is a concern to all of us.
By the way you reacting, one would be prompted to think Gov. Palin has disowned her daughter or engaged in some similarly deplorable act. There is no lack of family values here. On the contrary, I would call unconditional love and support of children, even in the face of such a challenge, is a ideal example of family values; as is the fact that the Palins daughter clearly felt comfortable going to her parents for support.
The only issue I see here is the repulsive attempts from by some humilitate a young woman and her famliy, motivated only by a twisted sense of political vindication. The only hypocracy is in anyone suggesting that this is an event that should be a source of shame for a politician, when it is something that nearly everyone in America has some direct or indirect personal experience with.
Single Issue (Abortion) Voters
September 2, 2008 - 07:41 ET by PopularTechI thought it was obvious by the hugely skewed anti-abortion as defense comments for the knocked up 17 year old of the affirmative action McCain pick.
Ah yes, this is not news and will go away... (turning on TV now) .... CBS - "Will Governor Palin's pregnant daughter hurt the McCain campaign?", NBC - "Palin's pregnant daughter", ABC - "Palin under Scrutiny", CNN - "Palin's 17 Year old daughter is pregnant" - LMAO!
You're absolutely right!!!!
September 2, 2008 - 06:18 ET by BadassBuckeyeThey could do what the Clintons would do in the situation. I mean we are speaking about make believe land here and not the real world.
Poof...abortion....Chelsea Clinton pregnancy problem solved. Not only would the Clintons be heroes to the left the media would of left it alone...you know since the Republican party is the one of morals and values and the Democrats the pary of change.
But like I told my wife. This is a god send for the Republicans. Palin can come out in support of her daughter. Stand by her side and say see we Republicans face the same problems as mainstream Americans. The inner city isn't the only place affected by teen pregnancy. The answer isn't abortion but support. (Next thing you know the polls show McCain's lead get bigger and then Obama's daughters will be pregnant).
Republican Party of morals and values?
September 2, 2008 - 08:30 ET by PopularTechRepublican Party of morals and values? Surely you jest!
Classic DNC talking points
September 2, 2008 - 09:34 ET by contraryClassic DNC talking points and a fallacy to boot. Well done.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Yes the fallacy of the Hypocrites
September 2, 2008 - 10:00 ET by PopularTechAll lies... from the DNC! USA Today and the Washington Post better stop posting these lies or....
You haven't a clue! LOL "I
September 19, 2008 - 22:26 ET by contraryYou haven't a clue! LOL
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
You're the co-worker...
September 2, 2008 - 18:30 ET by BadassBuckeyethat only reads the first line of the email and then makes a big deal. But if you would of only read a couple more lines you could of prevented yourself from looking like an ass.
Actually Pop you are right
September 2, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Ruths husband BenActually Pop you are right in essence. In practice you are wrong because unless the candidate injects his or her children into the mix, it is an unspoken rule of human decency to keep them out of it. But in essence you are right, how Gov. Palin would deal with her daughter becoming pregnant, should it happen is a relevent question. (It was asked of the Republican candidates during the 2000 or 2004 election cycle, as I recall.) And we see her answer in living technicolor. She chose to embrace life, not the culture of death the left has embraced.
Family values begin with Family. If you abort children, how do you get to Family?
The mistakes that people (including children) make are not near so important as what you do next. She (Palin's daughter) did the next right thing and we should rightly applaud her. That tells me she was raised well, with a sense of compassion for the innocent and responsibility for her own actions.
“it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.” - Justice Antonin Scalia
I must have missed
September 2, 2008 - 08:40 ET by 10ksnookerThe Chelsea Clinton pregnancy, was it a boy or girl?
Everybody who has children knows the problems that are now ravaging our society, sex, pregnancy, STDs -- It's rampant. A direct result of liberal decadence and Hollywood TV garbage fed to the children on a daily basis. Or even liberal curriculum in schools because of things like 'the need for gay perspective at age 6' or 'proper condom use at age 10' or ......
So I say we cut off the conversation with the candidate who was born of the unwed mother, pregnant at the age of 17, and who's father was such a lout that no one seems to know the answer 'how many'. Is this mess of a family what Democrats call the 'typical black family'?
We need to keep pushing back on the liberal hordes as hard as possible, and accept the defeats with loving arms.
There are three things that are important when trying to decide on a Presidential ticket, character, character and character. I find Obama and Biden lacking on all three.
Obama's daughter is not knocked up
September 2, 2008 - 09:13 ET by PopularTechThat would be the gun-toten, PTA membering, Hockey mom from the Alaskan Wilderness.
Obama's immediate family (wife and kids) seems like a good example for the black community to me.
I am attempting to arm myself against the liberal hordes too. I just ran into the streets with a baseball bat and screamed... "DIE LIBERAL DOGS!" ... all I got was an odd stare from my neighbor watering his lawn, so I went back inside.
Obama's kids are too young to have any problems
September 2, 2008 - 09:26 ET by Dee Bunkbut if they did they would be irrelevant.
What's relevant is that if they were sexually abused, Obama would support letting their perpetrator out on parole and if they got pregnant later in life, they could get an abortion without talking it over with either of their parents. If they did talk it over with them he'd still be okay with letting the baby die if it were born alive.
Reporting Democrats have
September 2, 2008 - 11:11 ET by kgReporting Democrats have turned into news speculators. A large percentage of so called stories are pure speculation. They were never taught as children that you never jump to conclusions. They weren't that taught that in "journalism school" either.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Boy oh Boy oh Boy oh Boy.
September 2, 2008 - 03:53 ET by JWFWhy wasn't the campaign, your campaign more pro-active about releasing this information?
Sorry? Come again? I seem to remember the VP being anounced Friday. That was 3 days ago.
Were they supposed to release it at the same time the VP pick was announced? Hello, I want to announce my VP pick, but before I tell you her name, here is her 17 year old daughter. She is pregnant.
The Bottom Line...
September 2, 2008 - 03:57 ET by dodecahedronThe bottom line is, if Chelsea Clinton had become pregnant while living in the White House and if we conservative Republicans (cause I r one) had criticized Chelsea for it, then we would have been wrong.
Couric's comments are downright funny. I read them as her saying, "You know I can't help myself from personally attacking Republicans and their families. Why didn't you stop McCain from picking Governor Palin so I wouldn't have to dig through her garbage trying to find hateful things to say about her and her family? It's not fair how you Republicans make me do bad things."
Stupid Greenfield
September 2, 2008 - 04:34 ET by Cool ArrowJeff, you ignorant lib.
Please tell us, Greenfield, how on earth we could possibly have known if Chelsea ever got pregnant while she lived at the White House?
Jeff, you're wondering stupid out loud. And this guy is their senior political analyst?
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
SoCONs
September 2, 2008 - 04:45 ET by FireFireFirewhatever that is....might have been outraged if Chelsea Clinton got pregnant.....By Bill.
otherwise...who cares besides the LIbs?
I’ve often wondered what
September 2, 2008 - 04:52 ET by Rush FanI’ve often wondered what would happen if the Republican or conservative interviewee consistently pushed back more forcefully than they usually do during these interviews with the liberal media. Most of the time the interviewee continues to be polite when answering the question, no matter how blatantly bias or out of bounds is the question.
The example I have in mind is the way Bill Bennett rebuked CNN for the “outrageous piece of advocacy and attack journalism that has no place on CNN” that Brent Baker recently documented. Rebuking the media during an interview is rare. What if everyone was as straightforward with the interviewer as Bill Bennett? Would that change the media's behaviour? Would the questions be more fair and balanced? Would Katie Couric or Wolf Blitzer watch their step knowing they would be rebuked on the air for their bias questions?
As more and more journalist come completely out of the closet and reveal themselves as who they are, liberal advocacy journalist, will those on the right be forced to act similar to Bill Bennett on a regular basis during these interviews? Will that become the new model for interviews?
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The liberal media continues to sacrifice ethics and morals for the greater cause: This time for the Election of a Democrat to the Presidency of the United States.
What would have happened
September 2, 2008 - 05:21 ET by godfodderWhat would have happened is that Chelsea would have quietly had an abortion and nobody would have ever been the wiser. Period. You only find out about unintended pregnancies when the woman involved chooses to have the child! This is all a trick question that, by its nature, can only apply to pro-life women.
This is the political version of "begging the question." Greenfield is assuming something that is not possible to know. "If Chelsea ever became pregnant" is in reality the same question as asking "if Chelsea has ever had an abortion." Unless she chooses to tell us, that's between her and her doctor (and God, of course, but who cares about that old fogey these days?).
???
September 2, 2008 - 05:23 ET by MidAmericaCouric: So during the vetting process, did Governor Palin ever express concern to you all that this might be too much to put her daughter through -- this white hot light of scrutiny and publicity?
Excuse me? Who is putting Gov. Palin's daughter through the 'white hot light of scrutiny and publicity'? Obama came out forcefully against anyone in his campaign talking about this subject but then they don't have to because the media will do their dirty work for them. I suspect 'The Perky One' will be used as an attack dog since she is a woman and can attack where men would not be allowed to. So I guess candidates children are no longer off limits.
Amazing and Disgusting
September 2, 2008 - 05:50 ET by DamianoThe left wing media have universally condemned criticism of Michelle Obama's negative statements- made in public, by an adult who was speaking as a surrogate for her husband- but yet it is considered appropriate to exploit the pregnancy of a 17 year old young woman as a top rotation, primary news item because she is the daughter of a Vice Presidential candidate.
If anyone could find a 17 year old virgin... THAT would be a new item.
This behavior is downright disgusting. The media should be ashamed, not this young woman. Anyone who would event attempt to use a situation like this for political gain should be universally condemned, regardless of political affiliation.
Man oh man.We are being
September 2, 2008 - 06:03 ET by obxrayMan oh man.We are being attact like never before.We are in a stelth takeover in this country.No, I'm not being paranoid.A clear thinker should be able to see what the hell is going on here.It's been coming.We all saw this coming and it all started in schools with teacher unions.Their next big move is the information highway of all media.
Thank McCain for the "Conspiracy"
September 2, 2008 - 07:18 ET by PopularTechBefore McCain chose Palin, we were making fun of Obama's energy plan. Though I like your conspiracy theory better.
I thought
September 2, 2008 - 08:45 ET by 10ksnookerDidn't you complete Obama's 'airing up of your tires' energy plan. Hey. I even have my on air compressor. Recommend it for all those who want to participate in Obama's well thought out plan for America's energy future.
No I made fun of it
September 2, 2008 - 10:03 ET by PopularTech...because my tire pressure is checked every other week.
Now don't you want to thank McCain!
September 2, 2008 - 10:04 ET by PopularTechThanks to McCain we get to deal with all this.
Nicole
September 2, 2008 - 06:29 ET by kilrodI saw that interview and Nicole Wallace stood up well and made point after point with her answers even though the connection was bad, she purty much put "perky" in her place. I have abc on this morning and they are still hammering away on the Bristol Palin pregnancy story while at the same time giving o-Dumb-uh-uh kudos for "immediately" saying it should'nt be an issue. One note of concern, pehaps, is they mentioned that up untill 1996 the Palins were members of the Alaska Independant Party, which favored secession of Alaska from the U.S.A.?? Further evidence the msm is digging for dirt as hard as they can.
As other posters have mentioned above, we will never know if Chelsea was ever pregnant because odds are they would have killed the baby as soon as possible. Whith the contempt i have for the clintons, i might have wondered if slick was the father!! But as mentioned above we will never know and it is a dirty trick question that can't be answered. Abc is going to devote another segment to the teen pregnancy story this morn on gma, so you can bet which way it will be slanted and if you put your money on the dims side you could get rich. I despise the msm and would love to figure out a way to get a bunch of the talking heads fired and force the networks to change the way they cover the news.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
WHAT IF? WHAT IF?
September 2, 2008 - 06:43 ET by cocodrieWhat if Slick Willie had better morals than a dog in heat? What if Jimmy Carter had brains and had not handed over Iran to the Ayatola? What if Slick had not murdered almost 300 innocent people in Waco Texas? What if Slick Willie had taken Osama from the Sudan before 9-11? What if the supreme court had not given us Roe vs Wade? DON'T GIVE ME WHAT-IFS. The democrat party is the party of DEATH DEFEAT AND DESTRUCTION! Death thru abortion and euthanasia; defeat in war Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Somalia [they haven't succeeded yet here], to name a few. Destruction by wishing destruction from hurricane Gustav to interrupt the Republican convention. Great bunch of people you left wing extremists are.
To err is human
September 2, 2008 - 06:34 ET by AgnosticSince all people make mistakes people should be judged on how they handle their mistakes not the fact that they made one. This is what I have always believed and said the same things about past presidents.
When President GHW Bush allowed congress to bully him into breaking his promise to the American public by raising taxes he should have been given the benefit of doubt. When he did nothing to remedy the situation or stand up to Congress and the media following that event then his political courage was shown to be less than satisfactory.
When President Clinton got caught in an inappropriate relationship he should have been given the benefit of doubt. When he continued the behavior and proceeded to lie about it then his character was shown to be lacking.
When Senator Kerry smeared is fellow troups he should have been given benefit of doubt as being young and naive. When he rode his critism into a long career in the Senate, continued to insult the military and then tried to use his own military service as a platform for presidency he showed himself to be opportunistic and less than truthful.
The list could be unending but the truth is that everyone errors and how we learn and grow from those mistakes determines our character. The media has nothing to do with determining character because they are just out for the sensationalism of the moment are rarely around for the aftermath where the effected people continue with their lives. Perhaps this is why the media is so poor at reporting events because they never are around long enough to truly understand the cause and effects of events.
Ag
September 2, 2008 - 06:46 ET by kilrodYep Agnostick, i purty much agree, and the "character" of the msm pukes is so obvious i'll furnish the tar if someone will bring the feathers.!!!!!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
One thing these people are
September 2, 2008 - 06:54 ET by Dan The Man 2One thing these people are missing is the Bible has a remedy for this. Paul said that if a couple of kids cant keep their hands off each other then they should get married. So I am inferring from this passage that Paul said if the kids are determined to have sex and do and a baby results then they should get married.
All situations are in the book, you just have to look.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
In 1975, at age 19, I became
September 2, 2008 - 07:30 ET by bamananaIn 1975, at age 19, I became an unwed mother. While I had the support of my parents, they both made sure I understood if I kept the child, he would be my responsibility, not their's or the government's. I went to work when he was 6 weeks old and we lived off what I made. I'm not quite sure how, but we did. I've always said I was so dumb and so young I didn't know it couldn't be done, so I did it. In the 25 years I was blessed enough to have him, he always understood 3 things. The pregnancy wasn't planned, he was never unwanted, and his moma loved him. I was not ashamed or embarrassed, then or now. You can call it a mistake or whatever you will. I happen to think it was the smartest thing I've ever done. Perhaps this young lady will one day think the same.
Your wonderful story helps
September 2, 2008 - 08:53 ET by KarmaYour wonderful story helps to make my point.
If your mother believed in traditional family values, PopTech and others would call her a hypocrite and disqualify her from holding office. For YOUR behavior. They would hold your pregnancy up as proof of your mothers' failing. On the flip-side, I and others would hold YOU up as a testimony to not only your good character in turning a "mistake" into something wonderful, but would also credit your mother for helping to instill your good character. From what little I know of you, I admire you.
Also, bamanana, If I
September 2, 2008 - 09:00 ET by KarmaAlso, bamanana,
If I understand you correctly, I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sure he was and still is proud of you.
Yes, A Very good Question...
September 2, 2008 - 07:58 ET by ChasvsIf you're an ASS!
Great question jeffie boy. No way to know the answer, but a great way to insinuate the answer would be as biggoted as a Liberal's response!
Take your Liberal bias and stuff it in that pie hole - JERK!
The real hypocrites
September 2, 2008 - 08:17 ET by NonanonDems love to 'what-if' to make Republicans and conservatives look bad using fantasies that can never be proven yet at the same time strenuously overlook the hypocrisy of the 'news' media that do practice it with almost every piece they publish. There is a large chance that they would have covered for the Clintons once more had Chelsea gotten pregnant, regardless of which choice would have been made afterward. Can you imagine how much different America would be right now if we had been given actual objective news over the last 40 years? I'm certain the liberals would be only a minor nusance rather than the major danger they are.
The only hypocrits here are the liberals
September 2, 2008 - 08:21 ET by c5thenEven Obama, to his credit, says that a candidate's children are, and should be, off limits. The press and the liberal nutroots are perfecting their hypocrisy by fixating on the bad judgement of a 17 year-old girl. They are the self-proclaimed champions of relative morality and 'choice', yet they are always the first to point fingers and get ready to 'cast the first stone'.
The only outcry about Chelsea's hypothetical pregnancy when she was 17, would have been about the abortion she would have had that killed her child as punishment for her mistake.
Jeff Greenfield might have been a journalist had he actually paid attention in school, but we'll never know now because he has instead decided to be a liberal partisan pundit.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Instead of reporting how they have really acted...
September 2, 2008 - 08:53 ET by danhat...in a real-life situation, let's just make sh*%#t up about how they theoretically might have reacted 10 years ago.
Yeah, that is credible.
Sarah Palin and her family have handled this exactly how it should be handled. They have acknowledged it and offered their daughter the love and support she will need. This is what families are supposed to do and they are doing it. But then again, wiping out and making insignificant, the family, is a goal of liberalism.
Sarah Palin is EXACTLY the type of canditate the left have been saying we need. She is a Washingtion OUTSIDER. She is YOUNG and SMART - attractive is just a bonus :) - She has stood up to the CULTURE OF CORRUPTION - oh, and that was in her OWN party.
She has more experience running something than Obama or Biden or McCain. Have they released, yet, the records from the Annenberg Challenge? By the way, they concluded themselves, that the nearly 50 million they spent essentially did no good. So what we are left with is the fact that the only thing Obama accomplished was forging ahead in his relationship with an unrepentent, anti-American terrorist, solidifying his propensity for associating with radical left wingers who wish to see Amereica transformed into a socialist state.
At least Bernie Sanders admits he is a Socialist.
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Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.
The biggest "what if" in this Greenfield piece is...
September 2, 2008 - 08:57 ET by ThalpyThe biggest "what if" in this Greenfield piece is: What if Jeff Greenfield could find a brain and save himself and CBS from drowning in moral equivalency?
Palin's daughter/Clinton daughter
September 2, 2008 - 09:24 ET by ferv888first of all you would not have heard about it in the media, because the punishment of a baby would have "been taken care of," according to the Gospel of Obama.
FERV888
Exactly ferv888 - liberals don't get it - going through with
September 2, 2008 - 09:36 ET by Dee Bunka pregnancy shows courage and good values in an abortion encouraging society.
Just like the movie Juno, most conservatives liked it's message despite the fact that the girl had pre-marital sex.
Liberals have no sense of proportion about anything. Having pre-marital sex is no different to them then having an abortion. Both are okay and nothing should be done to discourage them.
Conservatives see abortion as much much worse than pre-marital sex. They don't want any laws about pre-marital sex. Conservatives don't hold a pregnancy against the innocent baby and they admire a mother who doesn't either.
Actually its worse than
September 2, 2008 - 14:53 ET by Conservative VoiceActually its worse than that, liberals see sex as no different then going to the bathroom, and the abortion the necessary toilet paper to clean up after yourself.
Oh great...it's bal!
September 2, 2008 - 09:36 ET by BlondeI haven't even read the comments, so sorry if someone else said this...
But my very first thought was we have Balboa doing national commentary now. Scary thought. Don't get me wrong, we all love bal, but I don't think we could find anyone to come up with more shallow comments, without a shred of substance.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Katie Couric is FIRED..according to Obama's statement on this
September 2, 2008 - 09:46 ET by JayTeeBHO stated very clearly that this subject is out of bounds.....and Couric is now a Terminated press Secretary...along with Greenfield.
YOU'RE FIRED !
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
...Um Katie Koran does not work for Obama
September 2, 2008 - 10:06 ET by PopularTechSo how would he fire her?
POP TECHNO You gotta be kidding? (I was)
September 2, 2008 - 10:18 ET by JayTeeAll the Alphabet Networks are part time Employees of Obama.
You would have to have been on BHO's Trip to Iraq to appreciate how they spent hours working for his Election.
But...just watch this week...it's Obvious to the most casual Observer.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
The best pick
September 2, 2008 - 11:46 ET by zachlindI thought in the beginning when Senator John McCain announced Sarah Palin as his Vice Presidential running mate that she was an excellent pick. She echo’s the Senator’s values and positions regarding government, its size and responsibilities, and its mission when it comes to protecting the US. However, after reading the above posts I can see now that he must have picked the most perfect person in the world. Why else would the left be making so much noise? I mean, every liberal network and newspaper has brought out the big guns to take a shot at Ms Palin and her family. And the feminists groups are the loudest of all in their defense of Ms Palin (for you democrats and liberals this sentence is fictitious). Is this a great country or what?