CBS's Greenfield: Conservative Might Have Been Hypocrites on Pregnant Chelsea Clinton

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Instead of just flat-out making a hypocrisy accusation against “the social conservatives” who “are rallying behind” Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin following news her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, CBS's Jeff Greenfield suggested “very conservative Republicans” may be hypocrites based on how they might have reacted eleven years ago. On Monday's CBS Evening News, Greenfield, at the site of the delayed Republican convention, felt compelled to share:

The one question that occurs to me is if 17-year-old Chelsea Clinton had become pregnant while living in the White House, would the reaction on the part of the Family Research Council and other very conservative Republicans been the same? Maybe it would have been, but it's a question worth asking.

Meanwhile, during the CBS News special at 10 PM EDT, Katie Couric whined to Nicolle Wallace of the McCain campaign: “Why wasn't the campaign, your campaign more pro-active about releasing this information? Why did you wait until sort of rumors and innuendos forced your hand?” Couric implied Bristol Palin's pregnancy should have disqualified her mother and suggested Sarah Palin was not putting her daughter's interests first.

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Couric's first two questions to Wallace:

Now I understand that this information, this news about Sarah Palin's daughter did, in fact, come out during the vetting process. When Senator McCain or the McCain campaign was told of this, did it give them or the Senator any pause?

So during the vetting process, did Governor Palin ever express concern to you all that this might be too much to put her daughter through -- this white hot light of scrutiny and publicity?

After inquiring about why the campaign was not “more pro-active about releasing this information,” Couric moved on to questions about Palin's “professional credentials” and what Wallace guessed to be a question about Palin only being Governor for two years – satellite break-up for Couric in New Orleans meant only a few of her words could be heard.

Back to the September 1 Evening News, Greenfield's initial take on the Palin pregnancy and the fears of “graybeard” and “elitist” Republicans:

On the Sarah Palin-Bristol Palin story about the child: The social conservatives are rallying behind her completely. The Family Research Council, one of the most significant groups, put out a statement saying the decision to marry and have a child is in full sync with family values. I think it's fair to say among the more traditional, maybe graybeard, maybe elitist Republicans -- if that's the right word -- there is some concern about what this tells us about the vetting process and a lot of concern about the fact that Governor Palin is so unknown that there may be stuff out there about her political background, financial background, the fact that she was for that infamous bridge to nowhere before she came out against it may not have been known to the McCain people. That's the sort of thing they're worried about, Katie.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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Why would it be "a question worth asking"?

It didn't happen, so any response is just a guess colored by the respondents political affiliation. It may be amusing after-cocktail conversation, but has no basis in fact.

AS far as Governor Palin only having 2 years of executive experience, that's 2 more years than Obama, and Biden combined!

Concerning her daughters pregnancy, neither the daughter or the baby is currently running for office so why is it anybodys business?

Palin was only Governor for less than 2 years

- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years) (pop: 670,053)

Palin's daughter being pregnant has EVERYTHING to do with social conservative's outcry for family values. Their hypocritical partisan defense of this issue is disturbing.

The question asked is VERY relevant and I continue to be one of the only people being honest about how it would be treated here. If Hillary Clinton's daughter was pregnant at 17 and unmarried, you would be having a field day here.

Now because all the single issue voters are embarrassed by this news they desperately try to use any argument to make it go away, it's not.

Again?

You really don't like Governor Palin, do you?  Did she hurt you somehow?

I don't vote for leaders because they are perfect.  I vote for them because their values are more similar to mine than their opponents.

 

I really don't like affirmative action

Will you please get it right - one time, seriously.

PT

PT, affirmative action is when an employer is forced to hire a candidate based upon their status as a minority.  John McCain wasn't forced to choose Governor Palin.  He chose her because he believes she is the most qualified person to be the vice president and to help him win the presidency.

Palin - McCain's affirmative action pick

McCain chose Palin because he wanted to play identity politics and was not concerned about putting the best interests of the country first which would be picking the most qualified person for the job. Palin was chosen because she was a woman, plain and simple.

PT

Still, it couldn't have been affirmative action if Governor Palin was McCain's choice, could it? 

John McCain won the Republican presidential nomination so it was his job to decide who is most qualified for VP. If you had won the nomination then you could have decided who was most qualified. 

 

So McCain is incompetent or playing identity politics?

Which is it? Neither one looks good.

PT

Does it have to be one or the other?  He's won a few elections before.  Is it possible that he knows a little more about winning elections than you do?

No it could be both

It could definitely be both, I agree.

PT

Up to that point I thought you were going to introduce me to the innovative logic which helps you come to your conclusions.

Now you're just being silly, aren't you?

Both as in....

Incompetent and playing identity politics, I consider them one and the same. 

You really didn't answer his

You really didn't answer his question.

No

...I am not being silly.

So are you ignorant or just plain stupid?

I am sure that you're answer would be "neither" but I am inclinded to disagree, based on the available information.

Regardless...  Has it occured to you that asking a question that is solely based on 2 unsubstantiated points of view like this does not actually offer a choice at all, but only the opportunitity to make you look like and idiot or for idiots like you to elaborate on you nonsense?

Since you are clearly not interested in anything but Daily Kos-type talking points that support your own view, I am likely wasting my time. But, in the interests of potentially expanding your vacant mind:

Considering McCain's exemplary record of documented personal, professional and political acheivments and that he has been so well respected by his opposition that Joe Biden expressed interest in running with him in this campaign and he was suggested as a running mate in Kerry's campaign; I feel that it is conclusive that he is not incompetent. 

To conclude that he was playing identity politics would require evidence, of which you have none. On the contrary, he has stated and it is easily documented, that he chose Palin because she best reflects his views and has a track record of acheivement that proves that she is both a capable and competent leader who is more than qualified to be Vice President. Since we can already prove that he is not incompetant and that his judgment is well respected as it related to potentially being president by both supporters and oppposition; we must similarly conclude that these reasons are valid. Alas, we have also disproven identity politics. 

Which brings be back to my initial answer to your question:

So, are you ignorant or just plain stupid?

PopularTech?  I'd say both.

PopularTech?  I'd say both.

McCain's political achievements?

I asked a question based on the facts.

I am clearly interested in reality.

What like McCain-Lieberman, Mccain-Kennedy, The Keating Five or McCain-Feingold?

His suggestion as a running mate for Kerry simply shows how truly liberal his views are! 

McCain's "competence" is very much in question, especially once it is learned that he was seriously considering Joe Lieberman. 

Evidence of Identity Politics: Palin is not the most educated or experienced for the job. Hillary Clinton supporters are upset, Palin is a woman that could appeal to them. 

Apparently your standards are not very high:

Palin...

- B.S. Journalism 

- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715) (Votes: 909)
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (less than 2 years) (pop: 670,053)

I am apparently much more intelligent than you. 

"I am apparently much more

"I am apparently much more intelligent than you." 

most ***holes think so.

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The "Dooper

In tight with the Johnmeister huh?

   Exactly when did your buddy John lay this whole thing out for you? Over a game of chess? Texted it did he? Whilst sharing a beer?

I am physic

I am physic and have magic powers.

Physic

I'm going to interpret that as psychic?

Just a clarification.  I don't normally correct spelling. Not meant as a slam.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Well I still have magic powers!

That's something you don't have.

Wake up PT

Dungeons and Dragons isn't real.

Neither is Age of Empires or The SIMMS. 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Damn

Why, why, why!!!!!!!!!!!!! (crys)

PT

Thought you might appreciate that one.

My son is a big AoE fanatic.  My blogging is just as addictive to me as his games are to him. 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Don't you get it? 

Don't you get it?  PopularTech and Palin sitting in a tree...

No not really

I am not Bill O'Reilly.

During eight years of the

During eight years of the Clinton administration, the media kept their hands off of Chelsea, as they should have. The Bush twins have received scrutiny and every mis-step has been reported big time.

For the first time in my life, I agree with B. Hussein-O. Leave candidates kids out of the picture. Apparently you think they're fair game. 

Holier than thou

Oh please spare me the holier than thou crap. If Chelsea or the Bush twins were pregnant it would be BIG NEWS and you know it. If it was Chelsea the right would be going on and on about family values, social decline ect... If it was Bush the left would be laughing and calling Bush a hypocrite on family values.

Apparently I think that Palin's 17 year old daughter being knocked-up is relevant to the discussion of family values and social problems. It also represents a failure of Mrs. Palin's parental skills. Sorry if the truth is too much for you to deal with.

pop

pop went duck hunting in Texas, He shot and dropped a bird, but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence. As pop climbed over the fence, Sarah Palin rode up on a polar-bear and asked him what he was doing. The attorney responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and now I'm going in to retrieve it." Sarah replied, "This is my property, and you are not coming over here." poop said, "I am one of the best computeroligist in the country, and if you don't let me get that duck, I'll sue you and take everything you own." Sarah smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we do things in Texas are Alaska. Down here we settle small disagreements like this with the 'Three-Kick Rule'." pop asked, "Just what IS the Three-Kick Rule?" Sarah replied. "Well, first I kick you three times, and then you kick me three times, and so on, back and forth, until someone gives up." poop quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take a woman. He agreed to abide by the local custom. Sarah jumped down from the polar-bear and walked up to pop. Her first kick planted the toe of her heavy oil-field work boot into pop's groin and dropped him to his knees. Her second kick nearly wiped  pop's nose off his face. poop was flat on his belly when  her third kick to the kidney area nearly caused him to give up. pop summoned every bit of his will, managed to get to his feet, and said, "Okay, Sarah, now it's MY turn." SARAH PALIN smiled and said, "Naw, I give up. You can have the duck." ~~~~~

(GRINS)  kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

Not this moronic story again...

I don't hunt but lets entertain this. First I would not threaten to sue over a dead duck, second I would never willingly let anyone kick me and third if I was armed and someone tried they would get shot.

This gets more idiotic each time. 

No, YOU get more idiotic

No, YOU get more idiotic each time.

GOOD ONE! Almost as good as the moron story!

Almost as funny as the story of the moron from Texas.

"ehhhh.... Do you know the 3-kick rule? Huck, Huck, Huck..."

"No sir I am a dumb attorney with a J.D. from Harvard Law and will let you kick me in the groin because us educated folk willfully like to get assaulted by morons."

OOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!! FRICKING HILLARIOUS!!!! I CANNOT STOP PISSING MY PANTS!!! 

Another classic! It's like

Another classic! It's like when you're in kindergarten. You have to have the last word in, no matter how juvenile.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

Kind of like your arguments

"This gets more idiotic each time"

Kind of like your arguments. Are you for real? Wow, your job must be pretty easy to spend all day typing away at NB here. And what a job you've done. I can safely say, your brand of politics completely turns my stomach. Good luck with whoever in November.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

Multitasking

When you learn how try it sometime. It helps if the way you make money is automated.... lets look, yep made more money while I have been typing here.

Please explain my politics to me. Then where America is "going".

Still denigrating

Wow, what a come-back. Look up arguments in that dictionary of yours and figure out how to craft one.

See ya loser. 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The "Dooper

Ok Winner!

Another great point you

Another great point you made there! Right along with the "Affirmative Action Candidate" argument, and the "I hate Palin because she's a woman but mask it by saying she doesn't have experience" argument.

Why don't you just say McCain is an idiot, Palin is an idiot, and Romney rules. At least you won't embarass yourself as much.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

...od and the moron

...od went looking for a dumb email in his inbox, he cut and paste the one about the attorney getting kicked by some moron from Texas. He then changed the name of the attorney and the moron and made up imaginary words like Computeroligist. ...od laughs each time he reads this dumb story because to him morons are smarter than attorneys, though in real life morons never represent themselves in court and win. 

Yeah, you're right

I can't be holier than you, PT, but I am less judgmental. I've had more than a little experience with teenagers, and was one myself some years ago. I just don't agree with you that the coverage of a Chelsea pregnancy would be treated the same way by the media as the current story, and if both the Left and Right want to judge a candidate for office by the actions of the candidates kids, I don't think it's as relevant to me as policy positions.

I suppose that if you have had children, they never screwed up. If they ever had a car accident, however, I'd have to to question your skills as a parent.  

 

Ouch. Looks like his

Ouch. Looks like his opponent will not get up from that one.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

--The Dooper

( uses magic powers )

I told you I had them.

Point of View

First of all I never said the media would treate it the same way only that it would be "BIG NEWS". The right would hammer it as a lesson in family values ect... 

Now on to the hypos...

Car Accident:

- caused by your kid due to incompetence, drinking ect.. partially your fault for not teaching your kid how to drive better and the consequences of dangerous behavior.

- caused by someone else that persons fault.

Simply "screwing up" and becoming a complete idiot about birth control, sex and getting pregnant are on vastly different planes of stupidity.

Conservatism.

  I understand the term conservative. I am one. Conservatism is a political movement.

  What exactly is a social conservative? Isn't that a leftist label to subdivide the conservative movement so as to make it easier to conquer?

  PopTech, you should know better than to throw hypotheticals at people in an argument. That is frowned upon. Did you like that when people use that in an AGW argument?

Social Conservative (defined)

Only important issue - Abortion

Other talking points:

- Gay Marriage should be outlawed 

- The U.S. should become a Theocracy

- The Federal Government should enforce morality 

- Only acceptable religion is Protestant Christianity

- Rap Music is the cause of society's problems

PT Where did you get that definition from?

Where did you get that definition from?

From the book of Poptech

From the book of Poptech

How many misguided

How many misguided definitions does that book have?

pop tech is like a liberal

when it comes to Conservative values. He doesn't have a clue about the positions and just like the liberals he thinks that just because you want to encourage a high standard in public policy that it means you condemn individuals who make mistakes.

 

Like a liberal? ...Miss my battlecry?

I just ran into my street and gave the battle cry... "DIE LIBERAL DOGS!" - so I don't know who you are talking about. I am fighting the liberal hordes!!!

LIBS, will not be comin down my street! 

Today I find myself a HUGE

Today I find myself a HUGE PT fan.

Why bal?

Just . . . why? 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

He might just be

Joking. :)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

no he's not joking sarc

poptech has the same ignorant view of social conservatives that bal does. You don't have the same opinions but you seem to understand where social conservatives are coming from. These two don't have a clue. They are very immature.

Wo, wo, wo .... I understand, now wait just one minute..

ABORTION!!!

you are a clueless child PT

you don't understand abortion issues.

What a bunch of

What a bunch of baloney.

I think if Chelsea were pregnant at 17, or Biden's teenage daughter if he had one, MANY conservatives would point to this as yet another indication of the morally depraved left. But when the RIGHT has a pregnant teen, it's a sign of strong family values suddenly.

There is little doubt that

There is little doubt that Palin taught abstinence. There is no doubt the liberals mentioned above taught safe sex.

There is your difference between family values moral depravation.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

I disagree bal

Surprising, right?

Not too long ago Brittney Spears sister (don't know her name) got pregnant and I was happy she was keeping the baby.  It didn't change my opinion of her mother though I know very little of the Spears family, but my opinion of the 16 yr old girl was lifted. 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Are the Spears avowed

Are the Spears avowed Democrats?

I don't know bal

But I do see Spears' mom as morally depraved.

I was assessing my own reaction to the situation.  The girl's decision was what interested me far beyond my opinion of her mother.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

bunch of baloney is right - this is bal's only argument ever

liberals do horrible rotten things and he always says that conservatives would do the same thing. Anyone can say that. That is no defense for horrible actions. Just like poptech he has no clue about conservative values.

Conservatives liked the message of Juno and Bella despite the fact that the characters who kept their babies were liberals.

Balboa and Pop tech think we don't really care about abortion and that we just use it for political reasons. They think because they don't care- we don't.

We care about abortion because we care about babies and women and they just don't get it because they have been brainwashed by politics.

Wo, wo, wo... TRUST ME

I believe you 100% care about ABORTION.

My point is that

My point is that conservatives (some) would have a vastly different opinion of this matter if it were a Democrat's daughter.

I like Juno because it's a good movie.

it's ignorant to justify it like that balboa

you have nothing to back that up with, especially with those of us commenting here.

Put up or shut up. Give some examples of a media frenzy attacking a liberal candidate's children and conservatives condoning it.

I'm not talking about the

I'm not talking about the media. I'm talking about posters, commenters. Maybe not you, but you know darn well what comments there would be. I think it's ridiculous to try and pretend otherwise.

balboa - you really see no difference between the media

making this idiocy a large issue and a few people making comments on a blog? Come on.

IF some people here were to start trashing minor children of candidates I certainly wouldn't defend it. What's rediculous is you trying to act like this is legitimate in any way just because you THINK conservatives would do the same. IF they did, I would sure hope that you would give them a hard time for it.

Joe Biden's adult child has not even been reported on by the media and his possible criminal activity is actually relevant.

Dee

I don't think the media should make this a big deal. They've definitely gone overboard with this.

BUT I think it's perfectly fine for someone to comment that they believe the same thing occurring in the opposite party would be treated differently by certain conservative groups.

Well at least you admit the media is wrong

I still don't think it's appropriate for you to say what you did. You don't understand conservatives values positions and you don't really care to. There's certainly nothing I could say to change your incorrect assumptions.

sure a teenager having sex

sure a teenager having sex clearly points to bad parenting, but a 20 year old getting arrested for drug posession and again when he was 24 and his father choosing to do a concert instead of going to him in prison represents a father who tried his hardest, but shucks, some kids are just harder than others.....

because he hates me like you do

and I could care less

 

No I don't

Hate is a wasteful expenditure for the most part.

NB would be decidedly more dull if you weren't around. 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Dee

I can't speak for Bal only he can, but why do you think he hates you? Even when you and I, had a bad falling out I can honestly say, I never hated you. Very irritated yes, but hate no :-)

Real life video games are cool

Shawn - I didn't really mean hate

literally. They just like to irritate me. They'll jump on with someone acting like a lunatic just to stick it to me. It doesn't matter and won't change my responses.
I could care less if every person here were sticking up for Poptech's craziness. I'd still stick to my position that his behavior is immature and inappropriate.

I am no lunatic

I simply drank too much Red Bull.

WTF is your problem? 

WTF is your problem?  Conservatives already lost the presidential candidate.  If McCain had picked any of your selections we would have lost big time.  Palin was a brilliant pick, the media are frantic about it.  They are causing another Wellstone moment and not only will that light a fire under conservatives to vote for a more conservative president, but it will get them off their butts so they can replace the democrat seats in congress.  I am willing to put up with 4 years of McCain if that means I get rid of 20 Ellisons, Klobuchars, and Walzs (don't even get me started about him, I actually know this jack ars). 

My problem is affirmative action

McCain could have won with Romney or Rudy. You only think Palin is a brilliant pick because you are a woman. I prefer the most qualified candidate.

You don't know that Pop. 

You don't know that Pop.  I would agree that identity politics is lame, but stop with the tantrum because your guy didn't win.  I was for Rudy or Romney to win in the primaries...they didn't, goof ball McCain did.  I was prepared to vote Bob Barr, because McCain has poked his fingers in conservative eyes many many times, but with Palin I am willing to take a second look at McCain, especially since Obama is a nightmare.

Palin is a strong conservative, there are only a couple of things that bothers me, but to tell you the truth there were more things that bothered me from Rudy and Romney and Fred and just about everybody who ran for President.  Hence she excites me not because of the fact she is a woman, but because she is a strong conservative.

I consider myself a social conservative and...

...Abortion is only 1 issue and not the only important issue.

I personally have nothing against gay unions.  But calling the union of a man and a man or a woman and a woman the same as the union of a man and a woman is flat out wrong.  It is NOT the same no matter how many ways you try to twist it.  Words do mean something and this is why we differentiate and discriminate, even small things; slippers and steel toed boots are both foortwear but they are not the same and do not serve the same purpose.

I know 0 people who think that the U.S. should be a theocracy.  By the way, there is NO mention of separation of church and state, only mention of no state sponsored religion - oh, and it says nothing about such a religion being "Protestant Christianity."

Federal, and all, even state and local, governments should have minimal intereaction with our lives.  Liberalism is the "ism" that wants more government control and influence.

OK, you might be on to something with the whole Rap Music thing :).  But seriously, my parents thought the same thing of the Beatles and Rolling Stones. 

danhat 

 

++++++++++++++++


Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.

Scary Stuff...

"By the way, there is NO mention of separation of church and state, only mention of no state sponsored religion."

Good then Islamic, Neopaganism and Rastafarianism traditions should be a part of the federal government. 

No, PT. It's not that their

No, PT. It's not that their traditions "should be a part of the federal government", but "could be a part of the federal government". You don't see the difference, do you?

Not Really

Who is the deciderer on this?