John McCain finally received some positive coverage Friday night from the broadcast networks as Barack Obama's vacation ended -- a couple of sentences on ABC and CBS about how he raised $27 million in July, the most ever. Then those newscasts, and NBC's, ran full stories trumpeting evangelist Rick Warren's Saturday “Civil Forum on the Presidency” featuring McCain and Obama, with CBS and NBC stressing his rejection of past narrow conservative interests as both pegged their stories to conservative push back against the fear McCain will pick a “pro-choice” VP. Taking up McCain's consideration of Tom Ridge, CBS's Bob Schieffer asserted “religious conservatives...just went nuts.” NBC's Andrea Mitchell contrasted McCain's “rocky relationship with the religious right” with how Obama is “reaching out by softening the party's platform on abortion.”
On Warren, CBS reporter Ben Tracy trumpeted “Warren's attempt to redefine evangelicals by breaking with the politics of the past” and how Warren “doesn't want to talk about just abortion and gay marriage, but also poverty and disease.” NBC's Mitchell recalled that in 2004, 80 percent of evangelicals “voted for George Bush over John Kerry,” but “this year they could be less predictably Republican” and “that's because Rick Warren says many younger evangelicals define social issues broadly -- to include global warming, human rights, poverty, not just abortion.” She then featured a soundbite from Warren:
I call myself whole life, which means I don't just believe in that little girl before she's born but I believe that it's important to care about after she's born, whether she's poor, whether she's educated.
As evidence of how Obama is “reaching out by softening the party's platform on abortion,” Mitchell provided rare media mention of a 1992 Democratic litmus test:
He's invited anti-abortion Senator Bob Casey to speak in Denver. Bill Clinton kept Casey's father, then Pennsylvania Governor, from speaking at the 1992 convention for his anti-abortion views.
“Liberal” uttered just once. In all of the Friday night campaign coverage on ABC, CBS and NBC, the “conservative” and “religious right” labels were applied repeatedly, but only ABC's Jake Tapper, on ABC's World News, issued a “liberal” tag: “But false rumors Obama's a Muslim, his controversial former pastor, and his liberal views on abortion and other issues, complicate Obama's efforts to win over evangelical voters.”
(CNN, FNC and MSNBC will all provide live coverage from 5 to 7 PM PDT Saturday of the “Civil Forum on the Presidency” from the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. That's 8 -10 PM EDT. MSNBC will even interrupt incessant re-runs of “Women Behind Bars” type “documentaries” to air a fresh Hardball at 2 PM PDT/5 PM EDT, Race for the White House at 3 PM PDT/6 PM EDT and another Hardball at 4 PM PDT/7 PM EDT.)
My earlier NB posts detailing ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscast coverage this week:
For Monday night: “Obama on Vacation, Yet Earns More and Better Coverage than McCain”For Tuesday night: “Weekday #2: No Media Benefit for McCain from Obama's Vacation”
For Wednesday night: “CBS Scolds McCain: 'Respect Takes a Backseat to Ridicule'”
For Thursday night: “CBS's Expert: Obama's Site 'Clean,' McCain's 'Cluttered' w/ 'Chaos'”
From Friday night, August 15:
ABC's World News:
ANCHOR KATE SNOW: John McCain's campaign says he has had his best fundraising month since locking up the Republican nomination. McCain took in $27 million in July, the fifth-straight month his contributions have grown. The Obama campaign hasn't released its July fundraising numbers just yet.......
JAKE TAPPER: McCain has also had a rocky relationship in the past with some conservative Christian leaders. And he's not doing as well in the polls with evangelicals as he would like.
Barack Obama seems more comfortable talking about religion.OBAMA: I came to see my faith both as being a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community.
TAPPER: But false rumors Obama's a Muslim, his controversial former pastor, and his liberal views on abortion and other issues, complicate Obama's efforts to win over evangelical voters....Popular pastor Rick Warren says Saturday's forum will give both candidates an opportunity to open their hearts.
CBS Evening News:
ANCHOR HARRY SMITH: In the presidential race, Republican John McCain continues to rake in donations. Today he reported raising more than $27 million in July, his best month yet.But the real news from the McCain campaign this week comes from a comment he made to The Weekly Standard. Speaking about potential running mates, Senator McCain said former Homeland Security Secretary and Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge is “one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro choice and I don't think that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out.” Bob Schieffer is our chief Washington correspondent and anchor of Face the Nation. He joins with us some perspective. Bob, religious conservatives I can't imagine are very happy about that.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Well, if John McCain, Harry, was trying to run this out to sort of market test it to see how it sat with religious conservatives, I think he found today there was not much of a market out there for this. Basically they just went nuts. Tony Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council, said if McCain put a pro-choice person on the ticket with him, he thought that a lot of conservatives, especially evangelicals, will simply stay home. You also got to remember evangelicals kind of suspect John McCain. He's never been all that popular, that's not where his strength is. Remember the run in he had with Jerry Falwell in 2000. So I think if McCain was trying to see how this played, he found out today it does not play very well with a very large part of the Republican base.
....
BEN TRACY: His 23,000-member Saddleback Church sprawls over 120 acres in California's Orange County. It's ground zero in Warren's attempt to redefine evangelicals by breaking with the politics of the past....Warren says he doesn't want to talk about just abortion and gay marriage, but also poverty and disease.
NBC Nightly News:
BRIAN WILLIAMS, IN BEIJING: And now we turn to politics back home and the issue specifically of faith. Both Barack Obama and John McCain will appear this weekend at a forum hosted by one of the most high-profile evangelicals in America. But today, even before that event, one contentious issue was front and center. That report from NBC's Andrea Mitchell.
ANDREA MITCHELL: Campaign sources say both former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge and Senator Joe Lieberman, a nominal Democrat, are on John McCain's short list for Vice President. Both support abortion rights. Conservative leaders say McCain could be tempting political fate.
MIKE HUCKABEE: I hope that Senator McCain selects a pro-life running mate.
MITCHELL: McCain has tried to reassure conservatives.
JOHN McCAIN: I have a long record of advocacy for and voting for the rights of the unborn.
MITCHELL: But he's had a rocky relationship with the religious right, giving Barack Obama an opening. So tomorrow night McCain and Obama will both speak at Pastor Rick Warren's California mega church.
RICK WARREN: My goal is to say, look at these leaders, not just for their values, look at their vision.
MITCHELL: Obama is also reaching out by softening the party's platform on abortion.
BARACK OBAMA: Those who have opposed abortion get a sense that I'm listening to them and respect their positions.
MITCHELL: And he's invited anti-abortion Senator Bob Casey to speak in Denver. Bill Clinton kept Casey's father, then Pennsylvania Governor, from speaking at the 1992 convention for his anti-abortion views. Why are faith voters important? They comprise one-fifth of all registered voters. In 2004, eight out of ten voted for George Bush over John Kerry. This year they could be less predictably Republican. That's because Rick Warren says many younger evangelicals define social issues broadly -- to include global warming, human rights, poverty, not just abortion.
WARREN: I call myself whole life, which means I don't just believe in that little girl before she's born but I believe that it's important to care about after she's born, whether she's poor, whether she's educated.
MITCHELL: For the candidates, not just a matter of faith but votes. Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





He's invited anti-abortion Senator Bob Casey to speak in Denver. Bill Clinton kept Casey's father, then Pennsylvania Governor, from speaking at the 1992 convention for his anti-abortion views.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Well, if John McCain, Harry, was trying to run this out to sort of market test it to see how it sat with religious conservatives, I think he found today there was not much of a market out there for this. Basically they just went nuts. Tony Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council, said if McCain put a pro-choice person on the ticket with him, he thought that a lot of conservatives, especially evangelicals, will simply stay home. You also got to remember evangelicals kind of suspect John McCain. He's never been all that popular, that's not where his strength is. Remember the run in he had with Jerry Falwell in 2000. So I think if McCain was trying to see how this played, he found out today it does not play very well with a very large part of the Republican base.
ANDREA MITCHELL: Campaign sources say both former Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge and Senator Joe Lieberman, a nominal Democrat, are on John McCain's short list for Vice President. Both support abortion rights. Conservative leaders say McCain could be tempting political fate.
RICK WARREN: My goal is to say, look at these leaders, not just for their values, look at their vision. 









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um...okay...
August 15, 2008 - 21:07 ET by candanceEveryone knows Rick Warren is not a conservative and doesn't represent mainstream Christianity. He's a media darling precisely because of his lefty politics.
Look at the money quote:
My goal is to say, look at these leaders, not just for their values, look at their vision.
Translation: Jesus wouldn't care about family values as much as the political future of the country.
Isn't that pretty much what Marc Lamont Hill said the other day?
I'm just wondering -- Isn't
August 15, 2008 - 21:26 ET by flashkingI'm just wondering -- Isn't this constant counting and cataloging of every perceived slight of the GOP by the MSM an obvious version of the "fairness doctrine"? Because much of what is said by the mastheads here revolves around the idea that a positive statement about a democrat is obviously a smear against republicanism. Or that a given segment criticized republican values MORE than democratic values.
For all the harping against the idea that public airwaves give equal time to both national parties, Isn't that exactly what you're advocating here?
No one here is talking
August 15, 2008 - 21:54 ET by motherbeltNo one here is talking about "fairness" on the public airwaves. The subject is news.
News is not expected to be "equal" or "balanced." It's expected to be "objective." News shouldn't be making "positive statements" as you say, about either party; neither should it be "critiz[ing]" Rerpublican OR Democrat values.
Well then, you tell me which
August 15, 2008 - 22:00 ET by flashkingWell then, you tell me which network news program or cable news organization comes the closest to your ideal?
Fox in general...Special
August 15, 2008 - 22:21 ET by motherbeltFox in general...Special Report with Brit Hume in particular.
BTW...objectivity is not my ideal...it's the widely accepted standard for what news should be.
Fox news "in general" is
August 15, 2008 - 22:31 ET by flashkingFox news "in general" is the network closest to your ideal.
Yet you just scolded me by saying that "No one here is talking about 'fairness''' and that the "News is not expected to be "equal" or "balanced."
The Fox News Network's mission statement is to be "Fair and Balanced."
What are you really trying to say? Do you want news, news that tilts decidedly toward the right, or outright propaganda?
flash
August 15, 2008 - 22:46 ET by BlondeWe want you to go back to NBC, or wherever.
Trollboy.
News is nice.
Opinion is assinine. Like that.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
heh, Blonde. It would
August 15, 2008 - 22:54 ET by Blazerheh, Blonde.
It would probably be hard for ol' flash to go back to NBC thanks to Keith and Co. As far as crazy goes they're "all stocked up over there".
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Is the news supposed to be
August 15, 2008 - 22:57 ET by flashkingIs the news supposed to be "fair and balanced"?
If it were you would've
August 15, 2008 - 23:02 ET by BlazerIf it were you would've overdosed on pills or hung yourself from a bridge allready.
MSM= Opiate for the classless
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
this is tedious
August 15, 2008 - 23:04 ET by candanceYou seem to be trying to lock us into defending Fox New's slogan - as if we're not allowed to enjoy Fox unless their marketing is worded just so.
No one here wrote that slogan. Fox News decided to use it and it is what it is. Most conservies agree that Fox News is not a picture of perfection but is the closest our media has been able to get to what we want.
I hope you've now grown tired of this point and will move on to lower hanging fruit, as is your MO.
They hate FNC, because it
August 15, 2008 - 23:14 ET by BlazerThey hate FNC, because it asks the questions the others dare do not, hell,.. "because we ask the questions the others dare do not", should really be their slogan instead of "fair and balanced".
But when your postured so far to the left as CNN and MSNBC is, anything in the middle and "fair and balanced" is "far right".
flash takes pride in the fact that he can keep watching his Potemkin villages broadcasts each night and actually believe they are truth.
More Kool-Aid flash? More tin-foil ?
."You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Are you a liberal?
August 15, 2008 - 23:05 ET by BlondeOr just a jerk?
Which is it, flash?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Awww..come on...they go
August 15, 2008 - 23:09 ET by bigtimerAwww..come on...they go hand in hand.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Boy oh Boy Bigtimer, You
August 15, 2008 - 23:21 ET by flashkingBoy oh Boy Bigtimer,
You sure do hate to hear anything but your own echo.
don't worry BT
August 15, 2008 - 23:23 ET by candanceI've learned that if you dump facts onto flash he starts melting.
I was still waiting for
August 15, 2008 - 23:28 ET by bigtimerI was still waiting for your answer I asked earlier about abortion fk...
...but heck since you seem to be the center of attention here, ignoring important issues with an answer to me, you change the subject, others follow... instead of anything here being anything substantive....
I am moving on...
You are a troll...and everybody including me is feeding you...
...which I find sad...but at least you are earning your money.
Must be a full moon around here...or close to one.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You know us liberals blonde
August 15, 2008 - 23:19 ET by shawn228We like to swing both ways :-)
Real life video games are cool
by that Shawn, I hhope you
August 15, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Blazerby that Shawn, I hope you mean back and forth, not up and down, or side to side, at least the the last time I checked, thats how the swings I know worked. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"fair and balanced"
August 15, 2008 - 23:08 ET byyou'd rather have it "Proud as a Peacock"
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
flushy, I do not get my news from the idiot box.
August 15, 2008 - 23:11 ET by R D HelmThe fact that you do explains much.
-Dave.
Flash, what we'd like to
August 16, 2008 - 00:25 ET by Kenny BunkportFlash, what we'd like to see is a media that doesn't editorialize when it is reporting. We want a media that treats both parties the same in reporting (e.g. remembers the D as much as it remembers the R when reporting a scandal). We want a media that uses liberal, leftwing, and extreme left, as often as it uses conservative, rightwing, and extreme right. A media where the talking heads don't show visible dismay at Democratic setbacks and giddiness at Republican troubles. A media who doesn't call a 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court "sharply divided" when referring to upholding the 2nd Amendment; but states the same 5-4 Supreme Court "sent a strong message" about Guantanamo detainees. A media where Obama doesn't "thrill" them while McCain "worries" them.
I could go on for hours. Is it too much to ask from a group that repeatedly claims their objectivity? Huh?
The fact is the MSM is very pro-liberal, pro-Democrat. In light of that, we know we can't get objectivity. If we can't get objectivity, then there is nothing wrong with wanting a news source that leans right. After all, that is the only way we can expect balance.
A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
So well said.
August 16, 2008 - 08:06 ET by muh-oonSo well said.
Love your comment on media bias!
August 16, 2008 - 11:58 ET by MaximusBraveheartThe truth rings out! Good job!
Late response to flashking's comments to me
August 16, 2008 - 15:39 ET by motherbelt"Fair and balanced" means they treat both sides the same. They don't broadcast and play up one side's scandals and ignore the others, as CNN and MSNBC tend to do.
It doesn't mean that every story on a Republican scandal has to be "balanced" by one on a Democrat. It means their coverage of each story is balanced, not tilted to one viewpoint or the other.
*frowns in confusion*
August 15, 2008 - 22:23 ET by candanceCome on flash. Tell me you're being facetious.
First of all, that doesn't have anything to do with my post - but that's a moot point right now.
The Fairness Doctrine is the government's attempt to babysit the media for us. The goal of sites like NB is that the media has the right to say whatever they and we have the right to respond.
Your argument is a bit like saying why do I donate to the Salvation Army if I hate my taxes going to welfare.
I also quite resent the idea that only "both national parties" deserve to be heard in the media. Tell me the facts, wherever they lay, whoever they favor, with *no regard* for political persuasion of the subjects.
Candance, I have only the
August 15, 2008 - 21:27 ET by celatorCandance, I have only the vaguest notion of who Rick Warren is, and his book isn't anything I would be likely to read. But from viewing the posts here from those who do know about him, he seems to not be held in high esteem and is far more a lefty than he presents himself. And therefore his motives are suspect. Am I reading this right?
I'm still puzzled about his hosting this "debate". It just seems strange to me.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
In my opinion, Rick Warren
August 15, 2008 - 22:25 ET by motherbeltIn my opinion, Rick Warren heads a typical liberal, touchy-feely church that emphasizes community and "social justice" issues over worship, which should be the number one concern of Christians. (The first three Commandments relate to worshipping God.)
As for his "whole life" philosophy: that's not original and it's not a more Christian attitude; it's right out of the liberal playbook. They are always claiming that evangelicals and "right-wing" Christians only care about babies before they are born and have no concern for the children once they are here among us.
exactly motherbelt
August 15, 2008 - 22:29 ET by candanceYou hit the nail on the head.
Liberal Logic 101
Those who can vote/tithe/subscribe/purchase are more important than some silent unborn baby.
Actually, candance, I
August 16, 2008 - 05:57 ET by motherbeltActually, candance, I should have put quotes around "church."
His book "The Purpose-Driven Life" was given to my daughter when she was a senior in high school. I read a couple of chapters and told her not to read it. How it became a best-seller, I don't know.
I've never believed that God directs our lives....if he did, He wouldn't have given us free will. To me, that "God is in control" thing is right up there with the "Prosperity Doctrine."
Thanks MB, that puts him in
August 15, 2008 - 23:14 ET by celatorThanks MB, that puts him in context for me. I just couldn't wrap my head around what he was all about.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
RICK WARREN: "My goal is to
August 15, 2008 - 21:09 ET by EvokeRICK WARREN: "My goal is to say, look at these leaders, not just for their values, look at their vision."
Um, no thank you Mr. Warren. A leaders "vision" doesn't mean crap to me without the values to inspire and execute it. And the more I hear from you the creepier and creepier you sound.
The problem is everybody
August 15, 2008 - 21:27 ET by MidAmericaThe problem is everybody gets to be a Christian when it suits their purposes. Here's a snippet from a speech by Hitler in 1922.
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited
Warren - forked tongue
August 15, 2008 - 21:35 ET by kilrodWarren of the forked tongue;
WARREN: "I call myself whole life, which means I don't just believe in that little girl before she's born but I believe that it's important to care about her after she's born, whether she's poor, whether she's educated."
If the baby is killed in the womb, it makes no difference about the education, poverty, are whether this pro-death scum warren cares one way are the other. I got no use for a man who speaks with a forked tongue and this kind of sugar sweet double talk is beyond hypocracy, it is evil and is a disservice to God and those who are truly Pro-Life. I Pray Mac has the guts and the smarts to stand up like a man.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
what about
August 15, 2008 - 22:18 ET by flashkingwhat about firefighters?
Or guys like my uncle who was in the Coast Guard and risked his life more than once to save reckless boaters.
What about parents and grand parents? I've read stories about parents stepping in front of oncoming traffic to push a child to safety. Sadly, many of these people die.
Remember only two defining forces describe your kind of crazy wisdom: "BULL" and the lesser god "SH*T"
fk... This is about
August 15, 2008 - 22:24 ET by bigtimerfk...
This is about abortion.
You do understand the difference...right?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
what??
August 15, 2008 - 22:26 ET by candanceThat's a total non sequitor flash. And your ad hom mockery at the end was a nice touch.
We need a better class of troll here.
come on candance, the
August 15, 2008 - 22:39 ET by flashkingcome on candance,
the guy's saying only Jesus and our soldiers are willing to die for us. It's not only silly, it also happens to be false.
oh I'm sorry flash
August 15, 2008 - 22:47 ET by candanceI thought you were actually replying to his post and not spending an entire monologue debunking his signature.
Two defining forces. Not two individual people.
Aren't you the one who jumped on me for being a nitpicker?
Hey, candance
August 15, 2008 - 22:52 ET by BlondeThe full insult goes like this:
We need a better class of troll, here.
But it's totally wasted on flashbling. A baby troll. Not worthy of any effort whatsoever. LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Bingo B.... Besides
August 15, 2008 - 22:54 ET by bigtimerBingo B....
Besides that...he never answered me...which he rarely does...
I can't understand why.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
"Besides that...he never
August 15, 2008 - 22:57 ET by Blazer"Besides that...he never answered me...which he rarely does..."
He's not used to the fact that echo chambers like Kos or DU usually ask the same question back. Its that dreaded echo effect.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Wow...where to start?
August 15, 2008 - 23:02 ET by BlondeTrolls.....we all enjoy kicking them to the curb, yes?
Other than that....sorry, c....just wanted to give you the exact verbiage...it's somewhat important (well, only to me, since I coined it, LOL).
Stuffing trolls is about as much fun as one can have here....occasionally, a nice (hmm) liberal will show up and attempt to debate. It's fun, but not rewarding, if you get my drift.
Okay, enough.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
lol Blonde
August 15, 2008 - 23:06 ET by candanceI catch your drift. Also I will be more respectful of your work in the future. :)
No worries, candance
August 15, 2008 - 23:13 ET by BlondeYou don't need to be more respectful of my work....my employer wasn't.
I got ceremoniously dumped after nine years last week....I am a tad annoyed.
So don't worry about my "work"....I am, but it doesn't matter.
Sheesh!
OMG.....there's a tropical depression, I must run and hide and shoot myself, or somesuch!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
shucks blonde
August 15, 2008 - 23:20 ET by candanceI sure am sorry to hear that. I hope everything turns out okay.
No worries, candance
August 15, 2008 - 23:24 ET by BlondeI have SERIOUS hurricane shutters.
No self-respecting tropical storm will show up here, LOL.
As to the rest...well...someone else's mistake, LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
bt, flushy can't respond to questions because he doesn't know...
August 15, 2008 - 23:07 ET by R D Helm...the answers.
We're talking non-linear intelligence here, of the kind and severity that causes me to shudder.
-Dave.
gee blonde
August 15, 2008 - 22:55 ET by candanceI just can't bring myself to type that because I don't see the grammatical use! I'm sorry!
...Oh my. "America isn't
August 15, 2008 - 22:59 ET by bigtimer...Oh my.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hey Blone, You not only
August 15, 2008 - 23:11 ET by flashkingHey Blone,
You not only need a "better class of troll, here" you also need a different set of ideas. Everyday you guys say the same things and trot out the same old tired lines about the media and bias.
You guys are like the Sisyphus of Media Watch Dogs.
flashy
August 15, 2008 - 23:17 ET bywth??? what do you think this web-site is about??? (hint: exposing liberal media bias) did you expect a focus on football?? was the mushroom pizza really that good??
You may as well go to McDonalds and tell them to get rid of hamburgers!!!
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
flash ding
August 15, 2008 - 23:17 ET by BlondeWell, with such a great new class of troll here, like YOU.....wow, I am so supremely gratified.
I don't need a different set of anything, thank you very much.
But your childish offering was most gratefully appreciated...
As to your last...OMG, that is serially tired, dude. Tell me though, which one of you and your bare-assed buds actually went to class to write that one down?
We need a better class of troll, here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
fk... If your so tired of
August 15, 2008 - 23:17 ET by bigtimerfk...
If your so tired of the same old thing...please do us all a favor and move on....to a lefty site...where you seemed to have strayed from.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
ha ha ha ha ha
August 15, 2008 - 23:18 ET by candanceAs if flash and the other lefties don't grace us with a bunch of tired and predictable ideas themselves. As for talking about liberal bias in the media...THAT IS THE MISSION STATEMENT OF NB. If you are tired of reading about it then stop coming on here!
I wonder if flash says "Starbucks needs a new product. All they ever talk about is coffee, coffee, coffee."
cadence
August 15, 2008 - 23:21 ET bygmta --- burgers, coffee same concept
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
ha!
August 15, 2008 - 23:27 ET by candanceCadence!
Flash must be angry with me. He hasn't called me by my pet name all week. :-(
PS - Yeah I read your McDonald's post. It really was that transparent, wasn't it? Flash doesn't seem to put much forethought into his posts.
Hands off ladies! He's already married!
as long as you
August 15, 2008 - 23:30 ET bykeep him in step
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
I dunno can, I kinda like
August 15, 2008 - 23:33 ET by BlazerI dunno can, I kinda like your knew pet name it kinda does you justice.
From the American heritage Dictionary:
http://education.yah...
Cadence:
A progression of chords moving to a harmonic close, point of rest, or sense of resolution.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
aww
August 15, 2008 - 23:38 ET by candanceThanks Blaze.
However I believe Bigtimer is right. Flash is exhibiting signs of trollishness and should not be allowed to hijack this thread any more.
"Thanks Blaze. However I
August 15, 2008 - 23:55 ET by Blazer"Thanks Blaze.
However I believe Bigtimer is right. Flash is exhibiting signs of
trollishness and should not be allowed to hijack this thread any more."
Aint' it funny though that flash tends to vacate a thread quicker than a bunch of Hezzbols exited a hijacked Isreali airliner feetfirst, getting stormed by the IDF, when the the poignant questions start getting asked ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
exactly blazer
August 16, 2008 - 00:00 ET by candanceIn the words of my hubby, he disappears faster than a SCUD over Tel Aviv.
And you said that with a
August 15, 2008 - 23:19 ET by Free StinkerAnd you said that with a straight face.
Amazing.
The irony meter is off the scale.
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Sure... and you're like the
August 16, 2008 - 09:36 ET by Jack BauerSure... and you're like the Cyclops. Mono-visioned and slow on the uptake.
flash says: "Everyday you
August 16, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Kenny Bunkportflash says:
"Everyday you guys say the same things and trot out the same old tired lines about the media and bias."
Good gravy! At least we keep the discussion current. We don't keep dig up the corpse of Nixon to re-hash the 35 year old Watergate scandal. We don't keep bringing up the 50 year old "Hollywood blacklist". We aren't still crying 8 years later about the "stolen" election of 2000. We don't go on and on about "Bush lied" while never wanting to debate the issue.
Nobody drones on about the "same s***, different day" like you liberals and your liberal press.
As it has been posted already, this site was created "to expose liberal bias". So, flash, do you go to weather.com and complain about their boring, repetitious discussion of the weather? You're either incredibly stupid or purposefully irritating or both. I haven't seen you make a logical point yet. You're just playing "gotcha". You're an ignorant troll. Come back when you have something intelligent to add to the forum.
A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
Yo flush-queen
August 16, 2008 - 10:38 ET by kilrodWell flush-queen, gol-dang-it, you had to go and get personal with an insult. Where i come from, if i could get face to face with ya, one of us would get an arse-whuppin, and after i got thru stompin yore arse, you would apoligize in a respectfull manner and the problem would be solved and you would have learned a valuable lesson. But as it is i reckon i'll have to be content with i understand where you are coming from since it appears you are the result of a "buttwad pregnancy" which results in acute brain flatulance, which causes "brain farts" which explains the "foul vapor" that surrounds you every time you express an opinion. So now i feel better, so you have a "nice" day and Merry Christmas an all that, an if i have offended you in any way i apoligize "sweetie"
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Lets see...why don't we
August 15, 2008 - 21:53 ET by bigtimerLets see...why don't we wait until the big so-called talk about all of this is over Saturday...hmmmm?
I heard an interview with Warren this morning on CNN, or NBC I think it was, I may be wrong, nevertheless, he was asked if abortion was going to come up as a question...he said yes....of course...
So maybe we should hold all the critique everyone is piling on about Warren here...
I for one just cannot wait to hear what and how Obama answers these questions.
Warren said they flipped a quarter and Obama goes first...could be interesting.
...as for me, I could care less about Warren, but what I do care about is how the msm is spinning this already...and how they both answer about abortion, partial birth abortion, letting a baby die after being aborted that survived it...plus Obama's voting record on all of this goes without saying.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Obama already said: Those
August 15, 2008 - 22:19 ET by motherbeltObama already said: Those who have opposed abortion get a sense that I'm listening to them and respect their positions.
Sure he is; sure he does. Right up until the moment he votes against any restriction on any type of abortion at all.
Oh yeah mb.... It is
August 15, 2008 - 22:29 ET by bigtimerOh yeah mb....
It is going to be interesting how 'The One' answers the questions..which I am pretty sure both candidates and their handlers already know ahead of time they are going to be asked about Saturday...plus of course now the TV idol for the moment Warren is already telling all that may be interested ahead of time when he was asked this question this morning...
What I care about is just how in the hell they are going to come up with a spin for this...which they will...ahead of time with talking points for all the lemmings in the msm to follow immediately.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Okay, I'll wait. HOWEVER...
August 15, 2008 - 22:40 ET by m4ster chiefJust my opinion: Does anybody REALLY think Warren is going to actually ask a question or series of questions that will require a straight forward answer from either of these guys? Do you REALLY think their handlers are going to put their guys in front of the bright lights without knowing exactly what is going to be asked and how their candidate is going to answer?
Sorry, but I'm jaded and suspicious...with good cause, I might add.
And as for Warren as a "pastor?" Thanks, but I'll take a small, rural church with twenty-five members as long as the preacher knows the Bible and preaches from same without twisting and turning the wonderful old words to fit their own brand of theology.
I can see how the left
August 15, 2008 - 22:08 ET by BlazerI can see how the left would get all enamored by a Jerry Falwell look-alike with a goatee sans the tie.
The kind of guy you'd like to smoke a three stage bong with before he delivers the sermon at your church each Sunday.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I distrust these "men of
August 15, 2008 - 22:26 ET by d1carterI distrust these "men of God" with huge egos...
The Meaning of Life
August 15, 2008 - 22:29 ET by Lakewood BobI believe some of us may be too critical of Rick Warren and his message. It is important to remember that in the early 17th century, Blaise Pascal wrote often of the "meaning of life" and the "hiddenness of God." I believe God is interested in what we do, not just that we worship Him. Remember the parable of the "talents." I think Warren will do well, and I hope that the viewers will have a positive reaction.
Andrea Mitchell appears to be talking through her hat again with reference to Obama's softening of the abortion issue. The following is an analysis of that portion of the Democrat Platform:
Democrats typically have a strong plank in favor of abortion rights; this year’s version is stronger than usual. "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right," it says.
Gone is the phrase from the past that abortions should be safe, legal and "rare."
The party also pledges to ensure access to adoption programs, prenatal and postnatal care and income support programs for expectant mothers who need the help.
As Pascal said; "Truth is so obscured nowadays and lies so well established that unless we love the truth we shall never recognize it."
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