Everyone knows Rick Warren is not a conservative and doesn't represent mainstream Christianity. He's a media darling precisely because of his lefty politics.

Look at the money quote:

My goal is to say, look at these leaders, not just for their values, look at their vision.

Translation: Jesus wouldn't care about family values as much as the political future of the country.

Isn't that pretty much what Marc Lamont Hill said the other day?

  The problem is everybody gets to be a Christian when it suits their purposes.  Here's a snippet from a speech by Hitler in 1922.

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress which daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see it work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week it has only for its wage wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people is plundered and exploited

Lets see...why don't we wait until the big so-called talk about all of this is over Saturday...hmmmm?

I heard an interview with Warren this morning on CNN, or NBC I think it was, I may be wrong, nevertheless, he was asked if abortion was going to come up as a question...he said yes....of course...

So maybe we should hold all the critique everyone is piling on about Warren here...

I for one just cannot wait to hear what and how Obama answers these questions.

Warren said they flipped a quarter and Obama goes first...could be interesting.

...as for me, I could care less about Warren, but what I do care about is how the msm is spinning this already...and how they both answer about abortion, partial birth abortion, letting a baby die after being aborted that survived it...plus Obama's voting record on all of this goes without saying.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I can see how the left would get all enamored by a Jerry Falwell look-alike with a goatee sans the tie.

The kind of guy you'd like to smoke a three stage bong with before he delivers the sermon at your church each Sunday.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

I believe some of us may be too critical of Rick Warren and his message. It is important to remember that in the early 17th century, Blaise Pascal wrote often of the "meaning of life" and the "hiddenness of God."  I believe God is interested in what we do, not just that we worship Him. Remember the parable of the "talents." I think Warren will do well, and I hope that the viewers will  have a positive reaction.

Andrea Mitchell appears to be talking through her hat again with reference to Obama's softening of the abortion issue. The following is an analysis of that portion of the Democrat Platform:

Democrats typically have a strong plank in favor of abortion rights; this year’s version is stronger than usual. "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right," it says.

Gone is the phrase from the past that abortions should be safe, legal and "rare."

The party also pledges to ensure access to adoption programs, prenatal and postnatal care and income support programs for expectant mothers who need the help.

As Pascal said; "Truth is so obscured nowadays and lies so well established that unless we love the truth we shall never recognize it."

Give me a break! Rick Warren is so full of himself I can't believe his whole head fits on the tv screen. I am over him...he doesn't represent any Christian's I know.

WARREN: I call myself whole life, which means I don't just believe in that little girl before she's born but I believe that it's important to care about after she's born, whether she's poor, whether she's educated.

Mr Warren, like Juan Williams, Larry Sabato, Jr, the Catholic community, and the Evangelical communitiy must be made aware of Obama's extreme beliefs about abortion.  Williams and Sabato, Jr were clueless guests on "Hannity & Colmes" last evening.

The netroots, and the left, are taking full and complete advantage of Rick Warren's obvious ignorance, and the oblivious ignorance of the entire evangelical community.   As the media continue to avoid and/or surpress Obama's beliefs about abortion, even political pundits (Williams and Sabato, Jr) are suddenly wide-eyed and open-mouthed when the truth about Obama's radical and extreme abortion position is revealed.

Evangelical youth is the biggest disappointment, though.  How can they strive to live Christ-like lives, adhere to the teachings of the Scripture, and rejoice in the Divine Will and Word of God and then, with such ease, give a slight little shrug and a sheepish little smile and ignore Obama's beliefs about letting babies that survive abortion be left to die (or be killed) with an "Oh, well"?  It makes no sense.

Is it because they are completely unaware of Obama's full and complete position on abortion which has been protected by the media?  Sure looks that way.

Obama Is the Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever

The Illinois bill that Obama, the only dissenter of the entire body, refused to support had language identical to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act that passed the U.S. Senate 98-0, with such senators as Barbara Boxer voting in favor.

Obama's reasons were (State of Illinois, 92d General Assembly, Regular Session, Senate Transcript, March 30, 2001):

"Babies who survive their abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution."

"A ban to stop aborted babies from being shelved to die would be burdensome to their mothers. She alone should decide whether her baby lives or dies."

"The decision concerning a baby should be left to a woman."

"Wanting to stop live aborted babies from being shelved to die was all about politics."

"There is no documentation that hospitals were actually doing what was alleged in testimony presented before him in committee."

"Aborting babies alive and letting them die is a doctor's prerogative."

"Anyway, doctors don't do that. Physicians are already required to use life-saving measures when fetuses are born alive during abortions."

"Aborting babies alive and letting them die is a religious issue."

"Aborting babies alive and letting them die violates no universal principle."

"Sinking Born Alive was simply about politics."

"The IL Born Alive Infant Protection Act was a ploy to undercut Roe v. Wade."

I chuckle at these nouveau preachers who conveniently redefine Christianity to mean, well, liberalism.  To which, two points come to mind immediately........

• They'll say God wants us to save the Earth He created, by fighting global warming. Ummm, wait a minute.......I thought God controlled the weather.  So let me get this straight.......God created the Earth, then suddenly turned the keys over to humanity and relinquished all Godly control?  Ummm, okay.
• They'll say God wants us to care for the poor.  Okay, I'll buy that.  However, I don't recall the Bible saying, "Thou shalt sift thy charity through Uncle Sam's filter."  Liberals seem to think it's only legitimate charity after their bureaucrats get their initial take.

Here's the thing. I am more than comfortable with Warren affirming that God wants man to be a good steward to the planet in whatever time we each get on Earth. It's in the Bible.

However, when he then morphs into saying that he, Warren, takes that to mean we should be using a particular level of gasoline... then I have a problem with the Rev.

Talking about breaking with the issues of the past... excuse me, but haven't "poverty and disease" been around for a very very long time.

It's the anti-human ideologies of socialism and the Bully State which are the problems Rev. Warren. Address them.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Flashpoint,

How in the world can you not see when both sides of a story are presented that that is bias.  I watched CNN the other day about the WalMart mtg. with their managers.  It was as one sided as hell.  Sure WalMart had the mtg.  They let some labor guy get away with saying he had many complaints, so do I but no one is going to know unless they ask the question what or who.  The reporter did neither.  Then they talked about how WM objected to Obama's stance on letting a Union get cetified by signatures rather than a vote.  No secret ballot, hmmm what was it that they wanted in Florida??? 

 So you and I work for WM and I am a union organizer and me an three of my closest tree trunk friends come up and say, "hey flashpoint, you need to sign this union card so we can get certified."  What do you think you would do or say.  Hmm, if they can get certified and I did not sign this, my butt is grass and they will be the lawnmower.  Really fair and balanced, right?

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