Matching CBS/Katie Couric on Tuesday night, on Wednesday evening ABC's World News followed its exclusive Barack Obama session of the day with a shorter interview segment with John McCain as anchor Charles Gibson teased: “Barack Obama, here in Israel, holding meetings at breakneck speed on the Middle East conflict.” Obama got a full five minutes with anchor Charles Gibson in Israel, not counting a glowing minute-long introduction -- Obama's “schedule here in Israel looked like a Middle East shuttle mission” -- while ABC allocated two-and-a-half minutes to David Wright with McCain. Gibson did press Obama on his foreign policy “inexperience” and Obama's declaration that “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel,” wondering if that was “a rookie mistake?”
Wright began by scolding McCain for his “extraordinary statement” that “Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign.” Wright demanded: “Do you really think he's that craven?” Wright also lectured: “But what you seem to be saying there is that it's all about personal ambition for him and not about what he honestly thinks is right for the country.” Bizarrely, as if the media's decisions are not primarily responsible, Wright told McCain the fact that “the narrative of this campaign is being driven by whatever Senator Obama does” shows a McCain campaign failure:
You've been touring here in the states, had the domestic stage all to yourself. And yet, we're talking an awful lot about foreign policy. It seems like the narrative of this campaign is being driven by whatever Senator Obama does and that you're left to kind of react to that.
Gibson's tease, from Jerusalem, at the top of the Wednesday, July 23 World News on ABC:
Mideast shuttle: Barack Obama, here in Israel, holding meetings at breakneck speed on the Middle East conflict. We'll ask him how he plans to bring peace to the region. Counterpunch. John McCain goes on the defensive, saying Obama's policies will mean defeat in Iraq and won't solve te energy crisis at home.
Gibson introduced his Obama interview (ABC led with Hurricane Dolly):
We turn next to the flurry of events for Senator Barack Obama, whose schedule here in Israel looked like a Middle East shuttle mission. We caught up with him in Jerusalem, between meetings and photo ops, with among others, Israeli President Perez, and Defense Minister Barak. And then it was on the West Bank city of Ramallah to meet with Palestinian President Abbas.
We talked with him again in the Israeli town of Sderot, which has been the frequent target of Palestinian rocket fire. The most solemn moment came as he laid a wreath at the Yad Vashem, the memorial of the six million victims of the holocaust. When you're hitting seven countries in eight days, the schedule gets a bit hectic. This trip to Israel presented a number of pitfalls for Obama for he has promised to make the search for a Middle East peace a top priority. But how to do that? How to balance Israeli and Palestinian interests? How to deal with Iran's nuclear threat? We talked about all of that with the Senator today.
The questions to Obama from Gibson, aired on the Wednesday, July 23 World News, with both sitting together in Israel:
- Senator, let's talk about the trip as a whole. The polls indicate that a considerably larger percentage of the people of the United States think that John McCain would make a good Commander-in-Chief than you. So, is the trip principally designed to narrow that gap?
- If people have a reservation about you, it is that you are young, that you're inexperienced and that you're very new to the international stage.
- Do you sense that there's a considerable portion of Israelis, and even American Jewry, who are very reserved and even distrusting of your commitment to Israel?
- Obama recently caused a great deal of controversy here, when he said in a speech:[Obama: Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is nonnegotiable. And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided.]
To Palestinians, that is flat out unacceptable. When you said that, did you not realize the significance that that has for so many people in this region?
[Obama: Well, look, number one, the fact is that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. So, I was simply stating a fact.With respect to-]
You said must remain undivided. Those are code words.
[Obama: Well, the issue of it being undivided, I have said and I said immediately after the speech, that that word was poorly chosen. That what I was referring to is making sure that we're not setting up barbed wire across Israel.]
Senator, it's a very simple declarative statement. And you started the paragraph by saying, “let me be clear.”
[Obama: Charlie, if the day after or the day of making the speech I concede that the wording is poor, and it's immediately corrected, then-
Rookie mistake?
[Obama: I wouldn't say rookie mistake. I think that veterans make mistakes, as well.]
In the two states, what do you envision is the capital of Palestine?
[Obama: You know, I'm going to let the parties sort that out. And I don't think that it's the United States' job to make that decision.]
Would you move the U.S. embassy -- if you were President, would you move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem?
[Obama: Charlie, you know, I think that we're going to work through this process before we make these kinds of decisions.]
- Aren't these things that you thought through in your head?
- Let me turn to Iran. John McCain has said the only thing worse than war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid was one of the top military leaders in the United States, has said, well, we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. I know it's a choice you don't want to make. Who's right?
- So, what if Israel decides, in the name of its own security, that it needs to make strikes on Iran?
Gibson set up the subsequent segment with John McCain:
Barack Obama may be out of the country, but he's not been out of range by attracts by John McCain. Day after day, the Republican candidate has challenged Obama's domestic policies, and been quick to point out his inexperience in foreign affairs. ABC's David Wright covers John McCain and talked with the Arizona Senator today.
Wright's questions:
- Senator, I want to start by asking you about an extraordinary statement you just made in that town hall meeting.
[JOHN McCAIN: So, apparently, Senator Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign.]
That's pretty strong language. Do you really think he's that craven?
[McCAIN: I think that it's very clear that Senator Obama has refused to recognize that the strategy in Iraq called the surge has succeeded.]
But what you seem to be saying there is that it's all about personal ambition for him and not about what he honestly thinks is right for the country.
- But it sometimes seems, as an outside observer, that both of you guys sometimes get stuck in the past. Senator Obama's kind of stuck in 2003 and whether the war was a good idea in the first place. And you kind of seem stuck, sometimes, in 2007, whether the surge was the right strategy. Shouldn't this debate really be about the future and where we go from here?
- Charlie Gibson sat down today with Senator Obama in Jerusalem. And as you can imagine, they talked a lot about the Middle East peace process. How would that initiative look different in a McCain administration than it would in an Obama administration?
- You've been touring here in the states, had the domestic stage all to yourself. And yet, we're talking an awful lot about foreign policy. It seems like the narrative of this campaign is being driven by whatever Senator Obama does and that you're left to kind of react to that.
[McCAIN: It may seem like that to you. It doesn't seem like that to me. We're getting very good crowds. We're doing well in the polls. So, I'm very happy with where we are.]
ABCNews.com's page for World News features several articles about, and some video clips of, the Obama and McCain interviews.
Next up on the Obamathon interview parade: Obama with NBC's Brian Williams on Thursday's NBC Nightly News. Wednesday night Williams, who hasn't anchored for a week-and-a-half, showed up to anchor from Germany.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





We talked with him again in the Israeli town of Sderot, which has been the frequent target of Palestinian rocket fire. The most solemn moment came as he laid a wreath at the Yad Vashem, the memorial of the six million victims of the holocaust. When you're hitting seven countries in eight days, the schedule gets a bit hectic. This trip to Israel presented a number of pitfalls for Obama for he has promised to make the search for a Middle East peace a top priority. But how to do that? How to balance Israeli and Palestinian interests? How to deal with Iran's nuclear threat? We talked about all of that with the Senator today.
- Senator, let's talk about the trip as a whole. The polls indicate that a considerably larger percentage of the people of the United States think that John McCain would make a good Commander-in-Chief than you. So, is the trip principally designed to narrow that gap?
- Let me turn to Iran. John McCain has said the only thing worse than war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid was one of the top military leaders in the United States, has said, well, we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. I know it's a choice you don't want to make. Who's right?
- Senator, I want to start by asking you about an extraordinary statement you just made in that town hall meeting.















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"Wright demanded: “Do
July 23, 2008 - 20:45 ET by Republic1"Wright demanded: “Do you really think he's that craven?”
Is there really any doubt?
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula." -Muhammad
*smiles*
July 23, 2008 - 21:04 ET by candanceI must admit I'm getting some twisted pleasure from the media turning on John McCain like an ex boyfriend they can't stand to be around anymore.
McCain has brought much of this on himself by playing right into their hands.
And I thought just going on the Trip was over the top....
July 23, 2008 - 21:04 ET by JayTeeEvidently, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Obama are now Officially Joined at the LIPS.
They Speak as ONE CHANNEL, Let the Spin Begin.....it's going to be Nauseating, pass the Barf Bag.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised (Obama is sucking up all the Air Time)
Just My Opinion
July 23, 2008 - 21:20 ET by Copperhead Ridge"You've been touring here in the states, had the domestic stage all to
yourself. And yet, we're talking an awful lot about foreign policy. It
seems like the narrative of this campaign is being driven by whatever
Senator Obama does and that you're left to kind of react to that."
I happen to think that Wright is right, McCain's campaign is failing. They're terrible. McCain's terrible. Because of McCain's courtship of the media and the fence riders in the middle, this nation is going to be strapped under an audacious confidence man with a heck of a lot of power. Barak Obama could be the most powerful president since Reagan.
Copperhead...your Opinion has been influenced by the MSM
July 23, 2008 - 21:31 ET by JayTeeYou are the person this constant Media Barrage is looking for....a blank Canvas to paint Upon.
McCain's Campaign is failing....To Get ANY TV AIR TIME
McCain's Campaign is Failing...To get the NYTime to Publish his Article
McCain's Campaign is Failing.....To get Reporters to follow him anywhere
McCain's Campaign is Failing.... on the MSM 5/6/10 O'clock news
Obama is Failing on the ISSUES......and the MSM is trying to white wash the half black side of Obama.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
McCAIN: But it sometimes
July 23, 2008 - 21:50 ET by MidAmericaMcCAIN: But it sometimes seems, as an outside observer, that both of you guys sometimes get stuck in the past. Senator Obama's kind of stuck in 2003 and whether the war was a good idea in the first place.
That's exactly right. Obama got his political rise by being against the war but now the war seems to be sucssessfully concluding and obama was wrong. However obama is not man enough to be glad for his country and the hard work of the troops he wants to lead. So he waffles around and wants to take the conversation back to the wars begining years ago. Hey barry, leave the analysis to historians. A President has to deal with 'now'.
“Barack Obama, here in
July 23, 2008 - 22:23 ET by RESTLESS 1“Barack Obama, here in Israel, holding meetings at breakneck speed on the Middle East conflict.”
What gives bho the right to hold meetings in the mideast. I hope like hell he isn't making any deals over there. He is NOT the president elect, in which case I would understand his being there. I hope his arrogance leads to his downfall. I have said that I will vote, begrudgingly for McCain. This little trip of his, and the syconphancy of the msm, is steadying my resolve.
The media frenzy on this trip is sickening. I don't think this many anchors have been in the middle east at one time since the war in Iraq began. The election seems to have completely slipped their minds as "President obama" is a foregone conclusion as far as they are concerned. Does anybody really believe that a few days overseas will make up for obama's woeful lack of foreign policy experience.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Hi Restless
July 23, 2008 - 22:32 ET by shawn228Long time no talk, I hope all is well. I am wondering why you are questioning Barack Obamas right to hold meetings in the Israel.
He is a powerful US Senator and he is 1 of 2 people, unless by miracle, will be the next President of the United States.
Israel knows there is very realistic chance of this happenning and i'm sure they are very interested in what to expect from an Obama Presidency.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn,
July 23, 2008 - 22:40 ET by RESTLESS 1Didn't say he can't go there, although we all know this is just a smokescreen to mask his lies and inexperience in foreign policy. Of course the media follow happily along, making it seem as if he is doing something worthy. If he wanted to get to know the players over there, he has had ample time before now.
Now, to you question. He may be a senator, but he is a junior senator and by definiton, not so powerful. Even though, as a junior senator, or any other type of senator, he has no power to dictate American foreign policy at this time. That may change in November, but as of right now, I think this whole trip is out of line.
P.S. GO COWBOYS!!!!
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1
July 23, 2008 - 22:51 ET by shawn228I won't deny that he does not have the power to broker any deals at the moment.
IMO this a good idea on the Senators part. Not like that whole Palestine Pelosi thing, that was just embarrassing.
I find nothing wrong with Barry going to to middle east and meeting with the commanders there, just like I found nothing wrong, when McCain did the same thing. I don't remember if McCain went to Isreal though.
Israel is on the brink of war with Iran, and I do not think war can be avoided if they do not cease their nucleuer program. Israel, i'm sure is very interested i'm sure how much support they will get from a new US POTUS, especially a Democratic one.
PS
The Cowboys are the only one of my teams that I believe will go anywhere this year. I grew up a Cowboy fan, but since I moved to the SF bay area I also cheer for the locals. The Niners and Raiders will be lucky to go 500 :-(
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn,
July 23, 2008 - 23:20 ET by RESTLESS 1Re: Israel and Iran. I personally think both parties have restricted Israel for too long when it comes to her defending herself. I would not like to see an all out war between the two, but it seems we have more often than not told Israel to "turn the other cheek" when it comes to their response to attacks on the country. Besides, I'm sure Israel knows what kind of support they would get from a democrat president. And like I said above, he has had plenty of time before now to introduce himself over there. Why wait until it helps him politically? Call it what you want, but I see right through it.
As for the Cowboys, only a team in S.A. would see me change allegiances. It wouldn't matter if I moved to Mars, the Cowboys would be my only NFL team (previous exception still applies). Your're probably right about the 'niners and raiders.
I have a couple of buddies that are die hard redskins fans. A few years back my favorite line to them was "the redskins are a fortune 500 team, the cost a fortune and finish 500". Not sure why I added this.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1
July 24, 2008 - 00:04 ET by shawn228I agree Obama should have visited sooner, but he had his hands full capturing the nomination.
Some of the criticism of Obama is warrented, some if it not so much. Although the more I see of McCain, the more I don't trust him.
Looks like I will have to vote for the lesser of two evils again this year.
Also I grew up a Cowboy fan in Vancouver. I started liking them after their first Dynasty. I always wanted to move to the States and the name "Americas Team" really stuck with me
I stuck with them through the Danny White years loyally even though it was very hard to watch. Not until the Hershal Walker trade was I rewarded for my loyalty.
I still like the Cowboys the best, Please don't be dissapointed in me but I admit when I went to see them vs the Raiders, I was too scared to wear the blue, White and Teal . The Black hole is a scary place to be.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn228, Barack Obama a
July 23, 2008 - 23:33 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn228,
Barack Obama a powerful Senator? EH?! what the heck has this naive, mumbling idiot done in the Senate that makes him a powerful Senator? Freshman Senators are not exactly powerful Senators.
What Bill has he created and pushed foward that united both parties behind him? what Bill was he asked to co-sponsor so others would jump on it?
Obama was a light weight in the Senate, not a powerful Senator.
The man is an idiot, an embarrasment, he has every right to go where ever it pleases him. However, the idiot can't decide whether the surge worked or not. The idiot can't decide whether our troops did the job or not.
Be scared Shawn, be very scared of this empty suit. He is the last thing from smart and he is the last thing from being a statement. He constantly puts his foot in his mouth.
It is pathetic, pathetic, i mean pathetic how the mass media is having Obamgasms. Where was the media when McCain went to Iraq over 5 times!
Obama goes once, with his mind already made up of what he is going to do. He had refused to meet with Petraus and other Generals on the ground, yet he formulated a plan about Iraq.
Hmmm...funny enough corrupt individuals like him and other crazy left wingers have constantly hammered Bush for supposedly not listening to the generals on the ground. Shoot, Obama not only didn't listen, he covered his ears and was screaming at the tops of his lungs, making sure that he truly wasn't listening.
I love how he was hackled in Jerusalem at the Wall. Too bad no one has thrown an egg to his face!
I am embarrassed for this nation having this imbecile doing a victory tour in the Middle East and Europe without being elected. Talk about arrogant and elites.
the saddest part is that tomorrow, or later on today (if you live in Europe) he will be giving a speech by a Nazi monument in Germany. HA! I can already see it, the Obamabots applauding him while he speaks by a Nazi symbol commissioned by Hitler. sad, truly, truly sad.
got that right futbal
July 23, 2008 - 23:37 ET by candanceMaybe while he's there he can make up another story about how his uncle liberated that very patch of land. You know, his invisible uncle who joined the war after that bomb got dropped on Pearl Harbor.
Candance, Obama is a
July 23, 2008 - 23:46 ET by futbolisgreat1Candance,
Obama is a dangerous politician. I have said it many times. We paid with 9/11 8 years of the Clinton administration. What will be the price to pay if Obama is elected?
Obama is Clinton, Carter, Rev. Wright and William Ayers intertwined into one. If Obama is elected President and the Democrats stay in control of Congress and actually increase their numbers to stop fillibusters, America will move so far to the left in the next 4 years that we will not recognize it.
An Obama Presidency will mark the begining of the great decline of America. This election is very, very important to this nation. An Obama win means that a bunch of left wing kooks who have been quietly, but surely acquring influence, power, etc will be put into key, powerful government positions. I can guarantee you that if Obama is elected President individuals like William Ayers will be running our educational system.
I live in Chicago, Obama is not new to me. His minions are not new to me. These people are bad, very bad individuals who hate America.
Well put Fut,
July 23, 2008 - 23:49 ET by RESTLESS 1You are right on with that post.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Hear hear!
July 24, 2008 - 00:33 ET by MrShyHear hear!
More of us really need to stand up and not pull ANY punches about this man, and speak up the way fut does.
Too often, most of us, myself included, try to be "fair" and not dump on the left tooooo much, to not stoop to the level of leftists and their vitriol towards Bush.
But this man is seriously close to becoming our next president. A man who barely served one nondescript term as a junior senator, and has emerged literally out of no where. In less than a year, we've already uncovered an endless list of very unsavory characters that swam in his inner circle, and many that still swim in it -- while he throws the others under the Obama Bus, at least until he secures the Oval Office.
It is pretty scary, indeed.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
Mr. Shy, The thing is
July 24, 2008 - 00:57 ET by futbolisgreat1Mr. Shy,
The thing is that we do not need to use foul language to attack Obama.
The facts speak for themsevles, the people that he has as friends in Chicago speak for themselves. His crazy, anti-AMerican policies, his constant attack on americans, on our troops speak for themselves.
1) He is embarrassed by Americans because we do not speak a second language.
2) He not only hangs with, but is good friends with William Ayers, an unrepentant terrorists who said he wasn't sorry for bombing Chicago police stations, judges homes, killing security guards in the process. For bombing the Pentagon and other government buildings.
Do not forget that Obama launched his 1995 Illinois Senate campaign from this man's house!!! from Willia Ayers house.
How can you claim to care and love America when you are best friends with a terrorist who hates America?
3) His mentor for over 20 years, Rev. Wright, also hates America. Believes America is the worst thing on planet Earth. And we are suppose to believe that Obama doesn't believe this? How naive do they think we are?
We must use the truth and convince others with the truth that Obama is a dangerous man. he is a bad individual, with bad intentions. All he wants is power. You see it in his speeches!
At 9am he gives a speech about how Iran is not a threat! at 11am the same day he is giving a speech about how Iran is a real threat! EH?! which one is it?!
More dangerous than him are his minions. Minions that I have the unfortunate case of running into here in Chicago. Left wing kooks, who hate America with greater passion than Islamic Terrorist do. These individuals are waiting for Obama to win in order to be appointed into powerful goverment positions.
Just look at the City of Chicago, which is run by Obama types. San Francisco, same thing. Chicago is on the verge of having to have the military come in and put an end to crime. San Francisco, well sadly enough San Frnacisco is a pathetic joke an amoral city.
Is this what we want for our nation?!
We MUST stand up for our children, our ourselves, for this great nation and do everything legally and morally within our power to stop Obama and his fake message of Hope and Change.
A message that is use by the likes of Hitler, STalin, Mao Tsung, Castro, Hugo Chavez. Look at how all of them promised a stronger nation through hope and change.
While I believe that Obama giving a speech by a Nazi symbol in Berlin is more incompetance than on purpose, it suits well to represent the Obama campaign. Arrogant, naive, elites, who believe the world is nothing without him.
God help our children and this nation if Obama is elected President.
Don't hold back the truth, if you do, your children will pay the price.
futbol
July 24, 2008 - 00:15 ET by shawn228Despite what some say about me, I am not in in the tank for Obama.
Just like I was not in the tank for Al Gore in the year 2000. Yes I voted for Gore, but I admit it was not a easy decision.
I gave him a chance and I thought he did a magnificant job uniting the nation after 911.
IMO things just went downhill from there and I had full case of BDS before 2004 and I voted for Kerry.
It is now 2008 and after almost 8 yrs of republican rule, I am not optimistic of where our country is heading. The economy is weak, gas prices are out of control, health cost are skyrocketing and we have a 9.5 trillion dollar debt.
Do I believe this is all Bush's fault? No I do not, but I found things were quite prosperous when Bill Clinton was running the country and I might give Obama a chance. I am not decided but i am leaning in that direction, unless McCain can wow me in the debates.
One last thing. I do not blame Clinton for 911, just like I do not blame Bush. It was a very sad day in our nation and we need to move foward
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn, 1) You forget
July 24, 2008 - 00:47 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn,
1) You forget that while Clinton was our President, Congress was controlled by the Republicans. Clinton had very little to do with the 1990s prosperity. What he did have to do with is the recession that his last budget gave to President Bush. Let us also not forget that he bullied Congress into helping pass the highest tax increase on the middle class in the history of America.
The 1990s prosperity, if you want to call it that, was thanks to a Republican Congress. If Clinton had not had a Republican Congress to check him, the 1990s would have looked a heck of a lot different. Furthermore, while there was no big 9/11 attack in the 1990s, do not forget that it was under clinton that Osama Bin Laden called the USA a paper tiger. Say what you will about Bush, but even Osama knows that Bush is 100% a lot more serious about ending Muslim terrorism than Clinton was. If this is what you want for the next 4 to 8 years (ten if you talk to Obama), by all means vote for Obama. Our nation will be seen as weak, it will go into economic chaos.
2) I do not blame Clinton for 9/11. 9/11 was done by evil men, by Islamic terrorists. However, Clinton didn't make their job too hard. What did Clinton do to end terrorism in the 1990s?
Do not forget that these nut balls tried to bring down the WTC in 1993 under the watch of President Clinton. Everyone knew then that Bin Laden was involved, everyone knew in 1996, when American bases were hit in SAudi Arabia, in 1998 when two American Embassies were destroyed in Africa and in 2000 when USS cole was attacked that Bin Laden was behind these attacks, what did Clinton do to bring down Bin Laden? Dispatch lawyers, right? Is this what you want, is this seriously what you are looking for?
Furthermore, Democrats have been running Congress for the past 16 months, what have they done Shawn? Republicans haven't been running things for the past 16 months. Be realistic, the price of gasoline has not gone up thanks to Republicans, they have gone up thanks to BOTH! Republicans and Democrats.
What alternate universe do you live in which Republicans have been in control of Congress for the past 16 months.
It seems that you want to vote for Obama out of pure reactionary reasons based on half-truths and self-illusions that you have created or allowed the MSM to create for you.
I am unsure what you see in the Democrats and I can't believe you would vote for a terrorist lover, terrorist best friend like Obama. The man is very dangerous. Very!
and do not tell me you are sold on Obama's Hope and Change crap. I figured that despite the down fall of being Liberal, at least you were smart enough not to vote for the empty suit that Obama is.
Shawn, I would do more research on Obama. I would do research on his votes in the Illinois Senate on how he actually came to power in Illinois. How he launched his Illinois Senate campaign from the house of William Ayers.
How can you vote for a man who's best friends with an unrepetant terrorists? how?
How can you vote for a man who has had as a personal mentor Rev. Wright? how?
How can you vote for a man who one day claims Iran is no big deal, and then just today is claiming that Iran is a big threat?
How can you vote for a man who is more than willing to hold hands with Islamic Terrorist and sing Cumbaya Allah with them, while they are plotting to kill more Americans and Isralies and anyone else who stands on their way?
Shawn, Obama represents all that is bad, evil and decadent in America.
I saw this in 1998 when people in Venezuela were drunk with Hugo Chavez's hope and change message. They sure got hope and change didn't they.
I kid you not, Obama and his minions remind me of Hugo Chavez.
How can you not see how bad, how truly bad Obama is for America and how can you not see that Obama is truly a bad person with anti-American policies.
Do you truly believe that a person that hangs around for 20 years and more than hangs around, but that has as a mentor someone that hates America with an incredible passion doesn't hate america too? c'mon Shawn, you can't be this naive, can you?
fut
July 24, 2008 - 01:05 ET by shawn228I am unsure about some of your questions, I have not put all the blame on the Republicans. I blame Democrats as well.
I am simply saying I do not like the leadership from the White House the past 8 yrs. I found this administration extremely secretive and I feel they have not been very straight with the American people.
I don't know if Obama will be the best choice for POTUS fut, but I feel you are blowing things far out of proportion when you are accusing him of hating America
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn228, Eh?! This
July 24, 2008 - 09:11 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn228,
Eh?! This administration extremely secretive? WOW! Shawn, you have bought into the Democrat and Liberal media lie. WOW!
This administration has not been anymore or less secretive than any previous administration. That the Lincoln bedrooms is not up for sale or rent like under the Clinton administration so he could bribe the media to write awesome stories about him, is something else.
Secretive?! c'mon Shawn, put down the New York Times, Washington Post, New Yorker, San Francisco Chronicle, Denver Post, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
They haven't been straight with the American people?! Once again, you have bought into the lies of the Democrats and the Liberal media.
I am sure you are speaking about the Iraq War. If President Bush has not been straight with us about Iraq, the reasons we went there, etc, etc. Guess what, neither have the Democrats. Let us not forget that Democrats voted to authorize the President to use force in Iraq.
Let us not forget that Democrats, especially those of the Senate and House intelligence committees received the SAME briefings as President Bush.
So, if Bush lied, so did every single Democrat that authorized the use of force against Iraq.
Shawn, answer this question about Obama.
How can you claim that he doesn't hate America, yet he hangs around self-admitted America haters? And not only does he hang around them, they are his best friends, his mentors?
If Obama didn't think like them, why was he friends with them, why did he choose to have a mentor, Rev. Wright, who hates America?
How about William Ayers? Care to explain that relationship? Care to explain why Obama launched his Illinois Senate campaign in 1995 from his home?
If William Ayers had changed, if he saw the errors of his ways, fine, so be it. But William Ayers has admitted that he is unrepentant and he has claimed that he wished his terrorist acts had done a lot more harm and that if he had to do it again, he would do it.
So, I am unsure how you can be confused with where Obama stands.
In Spanish there is a saying that says, "Tell who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are". (rough translation). In other words, birds of the same flock fly together.
If you find this administration secretive and bad leadership, wait until we have Obama there.
If what he did in Chicago, how he voted in the Illinois Senate and his very short and weak term in the US Senate is any indication of what this moron is going to do as President, God help our children and this great nation.
If his flip-flops are any indication of who this man is, God help our children and this great nation if he is elected President.
You further do not understand the fact that it would be just chosing President Obama, but all the left win kooks that he hangs around with. All the left wing kooks who will demand policies, positions of power, etc, etc since they got him elected.
You do not have a clue what you are wishing for when you say you want an Obama President.
Yes, an Obama Presidency will mark the beginning of the steep decline in America.
I have said it a million times, the Obama Presidency is 1998 Hugo Chavez campaign Redux.
Shawn, one more question. Why is it that America's enemies are all praying that Obama wins the White House, why?
"I am sure you are speaking
July 24, 2008 - 09:54 ET by shawn228"I am sure you are speaking about the Iraq War. If President Bush has
not been straight with us about Iraq, the reasons we went there, etc,
etc. Guess what, neither have the Democrats. Let us not forget that
Democrats voted to authorize the President to use force in Iraq."
Please fut, I realize you are a very impetious person and are quick to assume things. I have been a member for One and a half years, If you can find one time I have ever said Bush lied about the wmd I would be very interested in seeing it.
I will give you an example. The attorney firings. If people asked why they fired them and Bush said none of your damn business, I woud have been fine with that. Instead he decided to say it was not politca. We know the results from that right? His AG had to resign, no one could replace him yet, because his deputy AG also had to resign.
Also fut, why do you say I am wishing for an Obama Presidency, I have already stated, that I am not decided yet. I don't know that America's enemys are praying for Obama in the White House, but many of our worldwide allies sure want Obama to win
Shawn228, The AG
July 24, 2008 - 11:01 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn228,
The AG firings? eh?! You have to be kidding Shawn!
Every President has the right to hire and fire AGs at his whim. Clinton did it, and Presidents before Clinton did it too and I can guarantee you that future Presidents will do it!
Was it political or not? How do you know it was political, are you in the mind of President Bush? Furthermore, neither Bush NOR Clinton had to explain their decisions to anyone. It is within their rights and Presidential powers to fire and hire these whenever they please. So once again, what is the problem?
Once again, you are reading way too much MSM propaganda. Funny, when Clinton fired all of the AGs no one minded, no one made a big stink about it.
I was sure you had something much, much, much indepth than the AG firings.
Our allies are praying for Obama to win? Says who, you, the left wingers of America and the MSM?? c'mon once again, reading and watching and the saddest part believing too much what the MSM and the Democrats say!
1) Who the hell cares what Europe thinks of us! Guess what, they do not get to vote. Furthermore, if you truly believe that the French, German, Italians, English care what we think of them, you truly live in a bubble!
I haven't heard any of our allies say, "We want Obama to win!" I have read the super, duper Liberal media in Europe and in the USA claim this, but I still have yet to see any European world leader say, "Obama, we support you!"
Yeah, Obama will get all the crazy European socialists, communist, environmentalist wackos to support him. He will get the European baby murderers, European pro-terrorist to support him. I do not doubt that.
You REALLY need to get away from the Liberal mantra.
Furthermore, did you know that in Italy, Germany, France and other countriess around Europe pro-American, pro-Bush governments have been winning? did you know that? did you?! I bet NOT!
Why do people like you soak in and believe all the propaganda spit out at them by the LIberal Media in America. why?!
and so you know that our allies want Obama to win, which is complete and utter hogwash, but you haven't read anywhere, seen anywhere reported that Obama has actually been endorsed by Hamas, Iran, etc? WOW! Shawn, please tell me you do not live in a box.
I bet you also haven't read anywhere how Obama's top foreign advisor met with Hamas, right? met with Hugo Chavez, right? I bet you haven't read anywhere how Hugo Chavez is praying for Obama to win because he knows that an Obama Presidency would allow Hugo Chavez to attack Colombia, right?
It is obvious by your postings that you close your eyes and cover your ears to the news and reportings that do not lead you to vote for Obama.
Be honest Shawn, you are not undecided. You already decided, you just want confirmation that your decision is good. So, you ignore bad news about Obama and embrace good news about him as the ONLY news about him.
It just baffles the mind how anyone that can vote in America would even consider a vote for Obama.
You know NOTHING about Obama except the pre-determined, pre-selected news pieces and videos that the media and the Obama campaign have pre-selected for you to see.
Oh and do not worry, McCain is not my guy either, but my goodness man, McCain is 100 times the man that Obama wishes he could be. At least McCain loves this nation. I know that there are plenty of Conservatives that disagree with me on this, but McCain would be a infinitly bettrer than Obama.
McCain will continue to fight the terrorists, Obama will hold hands with the terrorists.
McCain will support our Israeli ally, Obama will spit on the face of Israel.
McCain will make our military strong and proud. Obama would put it to shame and down size it.
McCain will keep President Bush's pro-life exectuve orders in place. Obama would resend these and open up the flood gates for any and all types of abortions.
McCain will have an administration that will fight the ACLU, Obama will embrace the pedophiles at the ACLU.
McCain will fight terrorists, Obama will embrace and make best friends with terrorists (William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn-as example).
by the way, I notice how you have chosen to ignore Obama's friendship with William Ayers. Hmmmm.....is this confirmation that you either just don't care or you are terrified of looking into this because it will not confirm for you that you made the right choice?
futbol
July 24, 2008 - 21:48 ET by shawn228I'm not going to get into a long drawn out argument with you about the attorney firings, but firing attorneys mid term is unprecedented. If there was nothing to hide, then there woud not have over 3 major resignations from top officials
Again, I have not made my mind up about Obama and just like you were very quick to assume I thought Bush lied about wmd. You did say you were sure that is what i meant right? I am not sure who I am going to vote for yet.
Judging by some of your statements like Obama wants to hold hands with terrorist and he will spit in Israels face. Sounds like you have your own BDS, Barack Derangement Syndrome.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn228,For not being
July 24, 2008 - 22:04 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn228,
For not being an Obama supporter, you certainly defend the guy.
I am sure you were clapping and happy when today he said, "....I am a citizen of the world..." right?
Shawn, I am not using a literally hyperbole when I claim that Obama is willing to hold hands with terrorists. HE HAS DONE IT!!!
I am not saying he is willing, I am saying, Obama already did it.
What type of person do you think William Ayers is? a terrorist!!!!
I am not speaking about things that Obama might have done, I am speaking of things he did!!!
BDS would be talking about hypotheticals, about conspiracy theories and black helicopter theories...
But has Obama held hands of terrorists? Yes or no will suffice?
Has Obama not spat on the face of Israel by claiming that Iran is not a threat? Yes or not will suffice.
Shawn, I have dealt directly with the Obama machine long before the Obama machine and his minions were in the national stage. You do not have a clue what type of person Obama is.
Shawn, answer this question, if you can....why is it that the left wingers who hate American with an incredible passion seem to love Obama? and don't answer a question with a question.
Why is it that Obama supporters also love El Che, a murderer who killed men, women and children who stood on his way. Why do they love Castro? and we are not talking about a handful, but rather a large number.
Unprecedented the firing of AGs in the middle of a President terms? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!! are you for real Shawn?!
You better look into how many Presidents have fired AGs in the middle of their Presidential career!
The only reason that 3 top AGs had to resign was because the Bush administration buckled under Democrat and media pressure. For whatever reason, they chose not to fight dirty like the media and the Democrats were fighting. Yes, you do not want to get into a long, drawn out fight about the AGs firing, I will win with facts. You will just show speculations and hearsay taken from the Liberal Mass Media and the Democrat buffoons.
BDS...haha!! you do not even know what the meaning of it is. Nice try though.
By the way...I am still noticing that you are unwilling to address the whole relationship between Obama and William Ayers-a terrorist who Obama has held hands with literally. :-)
I know Shawn, I know, ignore the facts that make Obama look bad.
ok fut
July 24, 2008 - 22:41 ET by shawn228I'm out of curiosity can you tell me what other President fired a multiple US attorneys mid term?
I hate it when people answer questions with more questions and I am not sure if you implying I am going doing so, but I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge
I do not know the full extent of BO friendship with Ayers, that I why I have not commented much on it, Just like global warming threads, you will hardly see me on there, because I do not know much about the subject.
Of course hard core leftist love Obama, they love most democrats.Again you and I have different definitions for hating America. Criticizing your country is not hating it.
Saying Iran is not a threat, is not spitting in Israels face. I believe it was misterpreted because he said a nucleaur Iran would pose a grave threat.
Also, I am not debating with hearsay, because there were 3 very high profile resignations which is fact. When the AG says he does not recall over 60 times during tesitimony regarding the firings "which is also fact" does not fly very well with me.
I guess you and I have to agree to disagree fut
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn228, You are kidding
July 25, 2008 - 09:12 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn228, You are kidding right when you ask which Presidents have fired AGs in the middle of their Presidential career, right? Try, Clinton, Bush (dad), Reagan, etc, etc, etc! My goodness man, you have swallowed way too fast the Liberal Media propaganda on this matter.
Furthermore, do you know why the AGs decided to say, "I do not recall", about 60 times because the Democrats were not about finding justice (which they didn't need to since NOTHING illegal or amoral was done) but because the Democrats were looking to catch more Bush administration officials like they got Libby, by asking enough question that you eventually can't help, but perjure yourself. A very OLD lawyers tactic. WOW!!!!
It is also an old tactic for individuals to say I do not recall when they know they are being used as a political football like the Democrats were using them. Democrats were desperate and still are to paint this administration as corrupt. Sadly enough individuals like you have fallen for the Liberal Media and Democrats propaganda and dirty games.
As for what Obama said about Iran, oh my goodness Shawn, it was NOT taken out of context, Obama did say during the Democrat primaries that Iran was NOT a threat. It was NOT Taken out of context. Just recently now that he is running for the Presidency, in fact I believe like two or three days ago, that he said a nuclear Iran was unacceptable. But until two days ago, this buffoon constantly claimed that Iran was NOT a threat.
As for William Ayers, do your research! How can you vote for Obama if you do not even know him? How can you even consider voting for him if you do not even know him? And of course hardcore leftists love Obama?! You say it like, "so what futbol..." Has it occured to you that the reason that hardcore leftists love Obama and many Democrat politicians is because Obama and too many Democrat politicians are communists who hate America? Let me ask you another question, Obama claims that he was a community organizer in the South Side of Chicago. did you know that today, after his community organizing, Chicago, Illinois is considering sending in the National Guards and the State Troopers to help Chicago control its crime? did you know this? Is this the type of success we are going to see at the national level from Obama?
Did you know that Obama voted against a bill that would have forced "doctors" who performed abortions to save the life of a child if the child survived the abortion? did you know this? did you now?! You do not have a clue to who Obama is, yet you defend this individual and you are considering voting for him.
You know, I would respect your decision to vote for him, or for you considering to vote for him if you at least knew Obama.
But once again all you know about Obama is what the media and Obama's campaign have very carefully and skillfully selected for you to know. You are being manipulated and you do not even know it.
I do not mind agreeing to disagree, but let us agree to disagree based on facts and not carefully manipulated information and choreographed appearances.
Are you really considering to vote for a man that before he is even nominated the party's nominee he is going around Europe and the world acting as if he owns it? Do you respect this Shawn?
do you respect the pathetic display of stupidity put out by the Obama campaign this week? The weak, weak speech in Berlin? The fact that he chose not to visit the soldiers in Germany? Do you respect this?
fut
July 25, 2008 - 09:38 ET by shawn228I can easily link about 10 articles about how firing multiple US attorneys mid term is unprecedented, but you will blow it off as msm propoganda, perhaps you might be able to show proof since you are so sure.
Like I told you many times, fut, I am waiting for the debates to make up my mind and yes I am considering voting for Obama, just like I am considering voting for McCain.
He is meeting with leaders and Europe and I hardly believe he is acting like he is owning. Have to go to work fut, you have a nice day.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
Shawn, Why are you
July 25, 2008 - 11:56 ET by futbolisgreat1Shawn,
Why are you waiting for the debates? Do you truly believe that either candidate is going to say what they are truly going to do? You do know that both Obama's and McCain's answers are carefully planned and choreographed, right? They are poll tested, etc, etc.
Debates today are a joke. The only way to know these individuals is by doing your own research. I could careless what politicians say infront of cameras or to an audience. I want to see their past votes, their life, what have they accomplished and what haven't they accomplished. I want to know their friends, I want to know what church, synagogue, etc they attend or don't attend. I want to see essays, articles, etc that they have written. I want to read their books if they have written them.
Getting to know a candidate goes so much, so much, so much deeper than what the media tells you and what the debates say. Hey do not get me wrong, I love politics as much as I love to play soccer, but I also know that what a candidate says he is going to do versus what they are going to really do are two completly (most times night and day different) than what they are really going to do.
As for the AG firing, here is a nice start. Shawn, I am telling you now you do not want to debate the AG firings with me. The facts will prove you wrong not my opinion.
and yes, for you to say that the firing of 8 AGs by President Bush is unprecedented is Liberal media and Democrat propaganda. Shawn, honestly and I am not being facicious here, your problem is that you put too much stock on what the media tells you. Way too many people do this.
This was a political issue used by the Democrats to discredit the Bush administration, sadly enough they succeeded with individuals like you. And yes the media helped the Democrats score political points on a non-story. Much like the whole Valarie Plame crap in which Richard Armitage (a clinton left over in the Bush administration) disclosed to the media the identity of Valarie Plame and yet the media and Democrats knowing this they still went after Libby, Bush and Cheney.
Don't believe everything you read in the media!
How can you take anything the media says seriously when their donations are 100 to 1 in favor of Obama. Are you going to tell me that somehow they have super human powers that prevents them from showing their bias?
Anyway, please know that I am not attacking you in any way. I am very passionate about my beliefs and in case you haven't been able to tell, I truly dislike Obama (i know way too much about him). And I do mean it when I say that have Obama as President and the Congress controlled by Democrats scares the living daylights out of me.
I can easily link about 10
July 25, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Jack BauerAhhh... but can you find one constitutional scholar that says the President's actions were unconsitutional. I believe that is the standard, not "unprecendented."
Though I think precedent relates to the SCOTUS!
Jack Bauer, Excellent
July 25, 2008 - 15:57 ET by futbolisgreat1Jack Bauer,
Excellent point!!! who the heck cares what the media says is unprecedented or not, what matters is whether it was legal or not.
According to the United States of America's Constitution, President Bush did NOTHING wrong!
Now according to the Liberal Media's and the Democrat's "constitution" we all know, right?
Shawn, please, please put down the Liberal media and Democrat party kool aid.
When you find that President Bush firing 8 AGs was illegal, then I'll listen. Until then, you have lost this argument about the AG firings.
→ Shawn
July 24, 2008 - 22:03 ET by Cool ArrowWe're kinda stuck here.
Vote for Obama, a terrorist sympathizer, or vote McCain, a terrorist sympathizer.
Its all in how you look at it, but McCain favors leaving our borders vulnerable to narco-terrorists such as this guy
But since there's a bunch of Repubcans (President Bush) inviting murderers in, it's different.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
You better get me some viagra cool arrow
July 24, 2008 - 22:11 ET by shawn228.....because I am suffering from some serious electile disfunction and it is very hard for me to get aroused about any of the candidates.
Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it
You mean LieAgra
July 24, 2008 - 22:17 ET by Cool ArrowBoth of them are worthless lying pandering hacks.
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It's pretty hard to be
July 24, 2008 - 09:20 ET by pbanks7I am simply saying I do not like the leadership from the White House the past 8 yrs.
I too have been disappointed with the communication from this White House. They have not been adept at getting their message out past a hostile press corps. I read somewhere that Bush would give up on some stories, such as the WMD's issue, as "lost" so he'd just move on. I think that has been his greatest failure.
It's pretty hard to be completely open with a press still thinks Gore won in 2000; thinks "swiftboating" means telling lies; that knows Richard Armitage leaked Val Plame's name, yet they blamed the Bush Admin., and let Scooter Libby take the fall for it. They knew Iraq had 500 tons of yellowcake and buried it. I could go on and on.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.
Obama - Breaking News!
July 24, 2008 - 00:51 ET by Cool ArrowDuring his visit to Israel yesterday Obama went to Mount Olive
Popeye beat the sh!t outta him.
Developing. . .
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C A... Is that an
July 24, 2008 - 01:11 ET by JerC A...
Is that an original Coolism? In any event...it's pretty damn funny!
Jer
I wish, Jer
July 24, 2008 - 05:22 ET by Cool ArrowIt's an old one. Plagiarized from High School. Only the names were changed to protect the innocent.
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Uh, umm, uhh, ummm, ahhh
July 24, 2008 - 07:15 ET by 10ksnookerAnd what does that narrative sound like?
Presidential on-the-job-training OK with Gibson
July 24, 2008 - 07:55 ET by SickofLibs"...wondering if that was “a rookie mistake?”
Just what we need at this point in time - a rookie President.