With HBO's 'Recount' movie (airing Sunday and Monday night at 9 PM EDT/PDT) sure to rekindle claims that Al Gore would have won if only the U.S. Supreme Court had not “stopped the counting,” a reminder that both recounts conducted by major media outlets in 2001 determined George W. Bush would have won anyway. Two stars of the film have fueled the re-writing of history with actor Kevin Spacey, who plays Gore operative Ron Klain, charging that “the Bush people were trying to stop votes from being counted and the Gore people were just trying to get votes counted” while Laura Dern, who plays Katherine Harris, recalled that the U.S. Supreme Court ruling left her “devastated because there were uncounted votes.”
The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....
That look was followed in November by an analysis by a consortium of media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, CNN and AP. It determined that George W. Bush still would have won under either legally possible recount scenario which could have occurred: The Florida Supreme Court ordered recount of undervotes statewide or Gore’s request for a recount in certain counties. The New York Times led its November 12, 2001 front page article, “Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,” by reporters Ford Fessenden and John M. Broder:
A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations....
In summarizing the consortium’s findings, however, the November 13, 2001 MRC CyberAlert recounted CBS Evening News anchor Dan Rather gave equal weight to a scenario which never could have occurred, a statewide recount of all overvotes in which the intent of the voter would have been intuited, as to how Bush would still have won in the only legally possible scenario, a recount of undervotes:
In the second half of the hour-long CBS Evening News on Monday night [November 12], Rather announced:
A consortium of news organizations today released their joint findings on the disputed Bush/Gore presidential election results from Florida. They suggest the limited hand re-count of votes requested by Democrat Al Gore would still have given Florida and the presidency to George W. Bush. But this study also found that if there had been a re-count of all disqualified ballots statewide it might have produced a narrow Gore victory.As Monday’s New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote," but Rather failed to correct his earlier reporting. At the top of the CBS Evening News back on the December 13, 2000, Rather had declared:
Good evening. Texas Governor George Bush tonight will assume the mantle and the honor of President-elect. This comes 24 hours after a sharply split and, some say, politically and ideologically motivated U.S. Supreme Court ended Vice President Gore’s contest of the Florida election and, in effect, handed the presidency to Bush.Neither ABC’s World News Tonight nor the NBC Nightly News, both of which remained the usual half-hour on a busy news day on Monday, mentioned the latest media effort at a Florida re-count.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





















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Thanks
May 25, 2008 - 20:33 ET by needleThank you for doing the work to document this. I started to, and soon realized that I had neither the resources nor the energy to get this done.
And another good riddance to Dan Rather, a recurring blot on journalism.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
I read "At any cost" on how Gore tried to steal the election
May 26, 2008 - 08:47 ET by ChiefE9And Gore was caught. That was enough for me. Gore and his handlers cherry picked only dem districts and numerous evaluations have proven that Bush won that election honorable in Florida.
Thank God for America that Bush has been the Pres. during this dangerous period of our history. His replacement shouldn't be Hussein O.
Hussein O. faces trouble on several fronts in the general election with blue-collar workers and other parts of the electorate who question his lack of experience, foreign-policy judgment and social liberalism
Also, remember his priority won't be Homeland Security but social liberalism.
Does The Left Care About Facts?
May 25, 2008 - 20:34 ET by jefflebowskiWhen have facts ever mattered to the left? They tried everything that they could do to put the Tennessee 2X4 in the White House. Even after all failed they still cry about Bush "stealing" the election. What a bunch of girly men!
Jeffl... Pretty pathetic
May 25, 2008 - 20:49 ET by bigtimerJeffl...
Pretty pathetic is it not...I feel sorrow for the children of any of these leftist whining liars who refuse to accept a loss... if they teach any of their kids this is the way to accept defeat without protocol, graciousness and manners they will have their hands full with a bunch of brats just like them...another generation of foolish whining cradle to gave leftists ..
What is beyond contempt for me is it's the leftists with the Gore team leading the way that tried to cheat their way to the WH...I don't care how many leftist groups did recounts and admitted loss, they are still attempting to revise history.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Recount
May 26, 2008 - 00:42 ET by merlin61The whole butterfly ballot complaint was a
complete hoax to steal the election for the
Dems. They knew they were beat and started
this mess. I used butterfly ballots before in other
elections and there was never, never, never a
question about them.
Don't forget that the
May 26, 2008 - 02:15 ET by True_SoldierDon't forget that the butterfly ballot was developed by the Democrats so they only have themselves to blame.
Dan "O.J." Rather
May 25, 2008 - 21:34 ET by j17ghsShouldn't this lying elitist hatemongering asshole be in jail for falsifying military documents? "If the type don't fit, I must be guilty"
Military votes
May 25, 2008 - 21:35 ET by ThisnThatSpeaking of not counting all the votes, wasn't it Gore and the Dims who were disqualifying absentee military ballots in 2000? This was also why Gore only requested re-counts in selected counties -- those for which he knew had few military votes to recount.
I don't know what's going to be portrayed in this so-called recount movie (which I will not watch, BTW) -- but I suspect a fair and honest treatment of the military vote is not going to be front-and-center.
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Not only were there few
May 26, 2008 - 00:54 ET by RESTLESS 1Not only were there few military votes in the, I believe it was FOUR, counties he wanted to recount, they were definitely democrat contolled counties.
Btw, I believe that the law requires a recount on all counties, not select ones. I am tired, as it is late and I watched the Spurs game, so I have not researched which one.
Tell the full story
May 25, 2008 - 22:01 ET by Agrarian-DecentralistA Washington Post article, dated Nov 12, 2001, also referred to secenarios under which Gore might have squeaked out a narrow victory: "...if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all
disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins.
See the full Post article at:
www.washingtonpost.c...
It is not enough, Mr. Baker, to dismiss that option as not among the "legally possible" recount options. You need to provide the evidence.
Hey A-D...give Jer time
May 25, 2008 - 22:12 ET by bigtimerHey A-D...give Jer time he'll be right with you...
You guys lost, fair and square, move on and get over it...quit inventing scenarios...only if...if...if...snibble, snibbe, whine, whine, pass the hankies...boo f'n hoo...get over it!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt... I must say that I
May 26, 2008 - 00:59 ET by Jerbt...
I must say that I am surprised and disappointed. I honestly did not think you were the type of person who would deliberately mischaracterize my statements.
Jer
jer
May 26, 2008 - 01:04 ET byNL207...I'm not one of those Democrats clinging to some "stolen election" fable.
this is probally what BT figured you could explain to A-D
botg... No, bt apparently
May 26, 2008 - 01:10 ET by Jerbotg...
No, bt apparently believes I was lying when I said that.
Jer
jer
May 26, 2008 - 01:15 ET byi think BT was being ironic
niteo jer
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botg...
May 26, 2008 - 01:20 ET by JerIf that is the case, then bt should say so.
Jer
and jer
May 26, 2008 - 01:06 ET byi come by once in a while and it's like the same thing every time, i mean what gives are youse up to this all day?
Support our Troops
botg...I think you should
May 26, 2008 - 01:17 ET by Jerbotg...I think you should direct that question to Dee and bigtimer. They seemed to have decided that liberals aren't permitted to express any opinion at this site which they find disagreeable.
Jer
No Jer - that is not it at all
May 26, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Dee BunkI can't speak for BT - only myself. I've explained clearly on my smile thread and others (that you have been involved in) and you know what my point is. I would imagine that BT feels similar to me and understands where I'm coming from because she has been here from near the beginning also.
By your rules only liberals can gang up and criticize.
Well, hell, if legality
May 25, 2008 - 22:24 ET by ckc1227Well, hell, if legality isn't an issue, I guess technically, Gore would have also won in Florida if only they would have counted his votes twice.
"...if Gore had found a way
May 26, 2008 - 01:02 ET by RESTLESS 1"...if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all
disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely
would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots
throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give
Gore the narrowest of margins."
Who can determine voter intent other than the voter? How long should we have waited while team gore knocked on all the the doors of the owners of the disputed votes and asked them what their intent was?
Just more Macaca from that
May 26, 2008 - 01:31 ET by NL207Just more Macaca from that fishwrap published in DC.
Clearly Gore's campaign does not share this opinion since it never sought such a recount, which they would surely have done if they believed it would have given them a snowballs chance in H*** of winning.
Instead, Gore's camp sought to have recounts in two or three heavily populated and heavily Democratic counties. This is a strong indication that the Gore Campaign's local polling data told them it would be unprofitable to recount the entire state.
A-D..."voter intent" is not
May 26, 2008 - 06:42 ET by motherbeltA-D..."voter intent" is not a legal standard. It was invented by the Democrats. I remember them talking about the rules at the time; the chad was supposed to be punched all the way out, leaving a hole. That's how they got into the whole "hanging chad" discussion. That they expanded the "hanging chad" to a "dimpled chad" and then to a pinprick and "voter intent" was positively outrageous.
mb
May 26, 2008 - 09:29 ET by BlondeYou forgot the "pregnant chad".
Sheesh....I thought this was finally over, it was horrible the first couple of times, and it's no better now.
From deep in the heart of democrat Broward County, no less. Arghhhhhhhhh.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Oh, you're right! How did
May 26, 2008 - 10:07 ET by motherbeltOh, you're right! How did that happen?
I stand corrected! LOL
Really, tho, would anyone have ever believed they would be trying to discern votes like THIS ?
Notice all the holes in the ballot.
Here's an "intent of the voter" guys....when the ballot is full of holes, it's a pretty good guess that where there isn't a hole, there wasn't a vote!
Break out the duct tape
May 26, 2008 - 10:18 ET by BlondeI am sooooo over this!
I saw it live, locally, ad nauseum, for weeks on end. The idiots in the Broward County Governmental Center, peering at cards, turning them over and over, discussing ad nauseum, blah, blah, blah.
And of course, don't forget the "butterfly ballot" in Palm Beach. Wherein the little old ladies mistakenly voted for both Al Bore and Pat Buchanan. Listen, if they're too stupid to misunderstand only ONE vote per race, they're too stupid to vote, period. Nuff said!
Others here have posted wonderful links to the facts of the matter. And if the liberals still insist on their mythology of a "stolen election"...so be it. It merely points out how truly delusional they are. Laura Dern & Kevin Spacey included, of course.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Well, Blonde, as I said in
May 26, 2008 - 10:23 ET by motherbeltWell, Blonde, as I said in the other thread: That's their story and they're stickin' to it!!
Blonde - I can't imagine what it was like for a Floridian
May 26, 2008 - 11:02 ET by Dee Bunkthe coverage we got was enough to make me go over the edge. That was the turning point for me when I started to become much more conservative. I was so disgusted by how the dems acted and saw them in a completely different light. Then Sept 11 was the final straw. In 2000 I reluctantly voted for Bush because I had bought in to a lot of the media demonization of him.
I always voted Republican for President (except my one mistake of voting for Perot), but I used to cross party lines on House and Senate and local stuff. Now I would never vote for a Democrat no matter what. I find the party to be completely unprofessional, hateful and just disgusting. There are no conservative democrats even allowed anymore. Hillary has become the new face of the Conservative Democrat. It's unbelievable how far left they have gone and their followers are just duped right along.
It was (and is) a horror show, Dee
May 26, 2008 - 11:19 ET by BlondeThe politics in this state are insane. Broward County is a bastion of liberal scum and villany (h/t Blazer, I love that line!). We have condo commandos by the boatload....all transplanted liberals from the northeast.
And even though we have (R)s as governor and one senator, they are RINOs of the worst sort, Charley Crist and Mel Martinez.
Then we have the ever disgusting Rob Wexler right up the pike....Obama's campaign chair. Here's Obama's grand Florida strategy (strategerie? :D)
Election night will be another freak show. I'm no big McCain supporter, but oh how I hope he takes down the boy wonder.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde - ther are almost no real conservatives
May 26, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Dee Bunkanywhere. They have all been watered down and changed because they can't stand up to the constant media demonization.
It's really depressing. I don't know how we are ever supposed to overcome this.
Agarian, get real
May 26, 2008 - 07:16 ET by demobaterAt 7 pm eastern time, election night 2000, with their teleprompters still showing Bush ahead, NBC (Neandethal Broadcast Corporation) picked algore the winner, not even allowing the Florida Panhandle voters (who are in central time zone) the opportunity to finish casting their ballts.
There are 5 main military bases in the Panhandle and many "experts" said that given the fact that the MSM picked algore before the polls had even closed was political gerrymandering at it's highest level but you never even heard it discussed.
Novemeber 12th was just days after the election and every MSM outlet in the land was screaming that algore had been cheated and that in fact hanging chads, dimples, voter intent blah blah blah was evidence that the election was stolen from poor algore.
When all the ballots were counted over subsequent months by everyone and his brother in the MSM and other organizations, it was clear that George Bush won Florida, but these pitiful libs just can't get over it. If Bush did cheat algore out of the election why didn't all the American people throw him out in the 04 election after all the salivating by the Dems and MSM over john "I served in Viet Nam" kerry, who got a purple heart for have a grenade go off in a bag of rice and blow rice up his butt.
You people are a joke, a pathetic joke...
Scenerios
May 26, 2008 - 09:49 ET by CobraMan"It is not enough, Mr. Baker, to dismiss that option as not among the
"legally possible" recount options. You need to provide the evidence."
You need to provide evidence that there were actually valid votes that were not counted and that there were enough of them to actually change the results of the elections. Until then, nothing you, or anyone else, can offer is more than mere speculation
Elections are won by VALID votes, not invalid ones. Despite months of investigation by numerous groups including the Democrats in Florida, no one has been able to find ANY valid votes that we not counted. Every contested ballot was counted and, in come cases, counted several times! There were invalid ballots, but with a population of millions and the fact that people are prone to errors, a few thousand invalid ballots are inevitable. People make mistakes. That's why there are LAWS that define what is a valid ballot. You can't change the law AFTER an election has taken place.
Al Gore lost the election. Even he agrees with that. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you learn to deal with it.
The way I see it Mr. Baker
May 26, 2008 - 10:17 ET by Seabeach4348The way I see it Mr. Baker doesn't need to provide anyone with anything. History holds your answer: Algore lost the 2000 election regardless of how hard he and his democrat butt-kissers tried to torque things his way; he simply could not come up with enough votes. It's the true "Inconvenient Truth". Deal with it.
And who the heck cares what the two Dan-boys of the WashPo kitty-box liner company think. It's over. They're as delusional as the rest of the libs who still insist that Algore was cheated out of winning the election! Yet another "Inconvenient Truth".
And the scores of "what if" scenarios are both meaningless, empty-headed, and completely moot at this point, especially when you consider the fact that the democrats wanted to continue ad infinitum with as many recounts necessary to somehow "find" enough uncounted votes to make Algore the winner.
There is an earlier article today that served to address the mental stability of our military, all in time for Memorial Day of course. I'm waiting patiently for someone to write a similar article addressing the mental stability of liberals in general and how it effects they're ability to make intelligent choices at the polls and in everyday life.
Voter intent
May 27, 2008 - 16:36 ET by BigSky1970Voter intent is when Liberals continue to count and recount until they're satisfied with the results after manhandling the ballots over and over again to the point they decay, fall apart and disappear into thin air.
Propaganda
May 26, 2008 - 08:17 ET by planetrepublicanHere we go again, the Democrats spin-machine-in-action...they are re-writing history and trying to twist the truth into a left-wing-pretzel. Of course they think that Algore would have won, it fits their historical model. Of course they think W stole the election. But what they really want to do is throw doubt into the minds of gullible people. They are very slick about how they do this too, using the very best actors to shape and mold the minds of apathetic and stupid people into believing what they want them to believe. They have been doing this for decades now and have become very good at it: Hollywood has instilled distrust of the military, Republicans, the US government, Christians, Jews, guns, the list goes on and on.
The only people I really distrust now-a-days is them. I don't watch their propaganda because that is just what it is.
The real stinker in all this is Algore himself. What a shameful and bitter man Gore is. He should have walked away with that election and he could not even carry his home state of Tennessee; if he had Florida would have no meaning and he would have been president. No mention of that in this docu-drama, no sir. So how does Algore take out his frustrations? By perpetuating another Hollywood myth that we will all pay for, Global Warming!
Who can trust these kinds of people?
uncounted votes
May 26, 2008 - 09:20 ET by LionKingLet's not forget all the uncounted MILITARY votes that the DEMONcrats prevented. Their postions on counting votes:
If Algore had won
May 27, 2008 - 16:29 ET by BigSky1970If Algore had won his home state of Tennessee, he wouldn't have needed to cheat/rob/steal Florida and make a complete mockery of our judicial system and drag this country through his 36 day left-winged nightmare.