Implying those on the right opposed to John McCain's Republican presidential bid are extremists beyond the politically acceptable, fill-in CBS Evening News anchor Harry Smith on Thursday night warned that McCain “still faces a tough battle to win the support of hard-line GOP conservatives.” Smith's characterization came a day after Time magazine's Web site headlined a Wednesday posting by Washington Bureau Chief Jay Carney, “McCain: Frail with the Far Right.” In the Thursday night CBS story in which Jeff Greenfield avoided pejorative labeling, Nicole Wallace, a CBS News political analyst who was Director of Communications for the Bush White House in 2005-2006, discounted those troubled by McCain -- whom she called “ABM Voters: Anybody But McCain” -- as “a smaller sliver of the party than we give them credit for being.”
That's the second time in eight days a former Bush operative turned network television analyst has dismissed or denigrated conservative concerns about McCain.
Back on the January 30 World News on ABC, former Bush-Cheney campaign strategist Matthew Dowd attributed conservative opposition to John McCain not to McCain's more liberal positions on many issues, but to how McCain “basically is not going to answer to anybody, especially the conservative pundits or the conservagentsia. And they don't like that.” As recounted in my January 30 NewsBusters item (with video):
ABC reporter Ron Claiborne buttressed Dowd's explanation that resistance to embracing McCain is a petty personal matter, asserting: “And that has drawn attacks from the likes of radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh.” Viewers then heard an audio clip of Limbaugh: “He is not the choice of conservatives, as opposed to the choice of the Republican establishment.”
To give Wallace her due, in another soundbite she recognized the importance for McCain of winning over conservatives, advising him:
I think he has to become just as comfortable campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Tom Coburn and some of these other conservatives as he is campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman. I mean, we have to see him just as proud of his record as a fiscal conservative and of a social conservative, as we see him with his reputation as a maverick.
The February 7 CBS Evening News story on the day Mitt Romney suspended his presidential effort:
ANCHOR HARRY SMITH: While McCain may be close to locking up the Republican nomination, he still faces a tough battle to win the support of hard-line GOP conservatives. Senior political correspondent Jeff Greenfield has that part of the story.GREENFIELD: As word of Governor Romney's decision has spread today, the argument over John McCain's now-apparently certain nomination continued among some conservatives. On one side, dire warnings [video of images from the Wall Street Journals' Web site] about the unthinkable alternative of a Democratic President. On the other side [video of Rush Limbaugh], pointed remarks about his political weakness.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: He's not getting the conservative base of his party voting for him. And he's, he's going to need that if he has chance of winning.
GREENFIELD: With only Mike Huckabee remaining in the race -- whose appeal outside the South has yet to be demonstrated -- there appears no plausible way to stop McCain, so why are some on the right talking about sitting out the fall campaign?
NICOLE WALLACE, CBS NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I call them the A.B.M. Voters: Anybody But McCain voters. They are vocal. They are truly agitated by the notion of John McCain. But I think they are probably a smaller sliver of the party than we give them credit for being.
GREENFIELD: As for McCain, beyond showcasing his conservative voting record and his national security credentials, what next steps might he take?
WALLACE: I think he has to become just as comfortable campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Tom Coburn and some of these other conservatives as he is campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman. I mean, we have to see him just as proud of his record as a fiscal conservative and of a social conservative, as we see him with his reputation as a maverick.
GREENFIELD: McCain also may have work to do on the money front. His frequent battles with drug companies, tobacco giants ad other corporate interests could make it a lot harder to tab traditional sources of Republican money, Harry.
SMITH: Of all of conservatives we have been talking about the last five or six minutes, is Mike Huckabee not a legitimate choice for them?
GREENFIELD: You know, they don't like him every bit as much as they don't like McCain. They have problems with him on immigration, on taxes. He has very un-Republican language about corporate fat cats and economic inequality.
CBSNews.com video of Smith's intro and Greenfield's story.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





I think he has to become just as comfortable campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Tom Coburn and some of these other conservatives as he is campaigning shoulder to shoulder with Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman. I mean, we have to see him just as proud of his record as a fiscal conservative and of a social conservative, as we see him with his reputation as a maverick.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: He's not getting the conservative base of his party voting for him. And he's, he's going to need that if he has chance of winning. 









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Rush hit the nail on the head!
February 8, 2008 - 09:07 ET by motherbeltThey left out the most important part of what Rush said about that: he said it is now up to John McCain to heal the breach between him and the conservatives in the Republican Party. It is not up to them to shut up and dutifully fall in behind him.
And, as usual, they dismiss conservatives as some kind of wacko fringe group.
Bawl babies
February 8, 2008 - 09:02 ET by ROTORHEAD77Bawl babies and sore losers! What is wrong with Republicans? This man (McCain) is an honorable American hero. I am a proud McCain supporter. It is about time we had a veteran as commander in chief.
I implore you to please consider the alternatives! PLEASE! Rush dopeman has serious issues. Sour grapes don't do the right any good. Trust me, I am a Michael Savage conservative. If Billary or Osama Obama (Teddy Baby's own words) are elected, I am moving overseas for good!
Rush dopeman has serious
February 8, 2008 - 09:16 ET by motherbeltRush dopeman has serious issues.
Nice personal shot there; adds a lot to your argument.
<sarc off>
Also: look up the fable about "sour grapes" ....like most folks, you have it wrong; doesn't apply here.
"Sour grapes" means denying that one even wanted that which he failed to get. "I didn't want those grapes, they're sour anyway."
Losing an election and then saying "I didn't want to be President anyway, it's a lousy job!" would be "sour grapes."
I am aware of the "sour
February 8, 2008 - 09:26 ET by ROTORHEAD77I am aware of the "sour grapes" fable. Rush wanted someone different than Big Mac. Now he is going to give it to the enemy because he can't have it, or more precisely, his peeps did not win.
The drug comment was meant to be personal.
I do find it humorous that my party, the Republican party, touts itself as the defense party, but nary a sole in the current administration has served. I, for one, would be very proud to serve under Senator McCain.
Don't fret, I usually vote the party line. You can rest assured that I will not vote for the left side of the aile in November.
I am aware of the "sour
February 8, 2008 - 09:56 ET by motherbeltI am aware of the "sour grapes" fable. Rush wanted someone different
than Big Mac. Now he is going to give it to the enemy because he can't
have it, or more precisely, his peeps did not win.
No, you still don't "get" the analogy. It doesn't apply here. But you can twist it around and pretzel it to try to make it fit, if you want.
Knock yourself out.
And as I said about Mika B earlier, your use of Rush's "peeps" says a lot about your maturity level.
motherbelt
February 8, 2008 - 09:51 ET by shawn228"Nice personal shot there; adds a lot to your argument."
And people here don't give cheap shots to Chris Matthews?. Every time someone here says anything bad about Rush Limbaugh, immediately people come to his defense.
This article speaks the truth, yes many conservatives don't like McCain, but obviously enough of the party like him to vote for him. He would not have the delegates he has without somewhat support right?
Can't we all get along?
I didn't come to Rush's
February 8, 2008 - 10:46 ET by motherbeltI didn't come to Rush's defense; he is perfectly capable of defending himself. My remark had to do with the validity of the "sour grapes" argument.
Why should I be responsible for what everyone here says? If you see me taking a "cheap shot" feel free to reply and tell me so.
And why do you want to turn the discussion into something else?
motherbelt
February 8, 2008 - 11:18 ET by shawn228I never once said you did a cheap shot, I said people here make cheap shots to Chris Matthews all the time. Your not reponsible for what anyone says, but you sure like to comment on what people do, so i am doing the same thing.
I am not changing the subject to something else because I also commented about the article. Obviously there is discontent, but that must be a minority considering how many votes he got.
Can't we all get along?
→ Rotorhead
February 8, 2008 - 09:11 ET by Cool ArrowMilitary hero is a good thing, but Benedict Arnold was also a Military hero.
I'm not claiming McCain is Benedict Arnold, but that military heroism does not necessarily translate favorably to the political arena.
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Arnold was a traitor. It
February 8, 2008 - 09:36 ET by ROTORHEAD77Arnold was a traitor. It was once said, by a junior Army officer, to, "Hang him from the gallows, but give his leg a full honors burial."
Big Mac is no Benedict Arnold. The fact that you have placed the two in the same paragraph is a shame in itself! May shame be upon you my friend!
→ Saw it coming Rotorhead
February 8, 2008 - 09:52 ET by Cool ArrowThat's why I bolded what I was not saying.
It is an illogical leap to assume all military heroes are great political leaders.
Certainly it was all too predictable you would take the angle you did. But you tried to sell McCain as President from a "military hero" standpoint.
All I did was point out how uninformed such an assumption is.
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McCain is Benedict in that
February 8, 2008 - 10:35 ET by Dan The Man 2McCain is Benedict in that he wants to sell our country out, close gitmo, make Mexico the 51st state and make "torture" illegal. The man is off a bit and I beliebve it is from his Vietnam days, tehy broke him and he has never recovered. So stop spinning your head and wake up. There is little difference betweeen him and Hillary. Hillary for President.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan - I'm really surprised you would feel that way
February 8, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Dee BunkI can't stand McCain but he is much better than Hillary. I feel like all this arguing about it is pointless because he isn't going to win and neither is Hillary. Obama is by far the worst of the three in terms of policy and he is going to win.
Dee, I am not Republican or
February 8, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Dan The Man 2Dee, I am not Republican or Democrat...I am Christian first and foremost. I will vote my beliefs and the Bible everytime. Since the three canditates are pretty much the same and the only differences are how far to teh left they are the only choice for me is strategy.
Thestrategy as I see it goes like this;
1. Hold my nose and vote for McCAin hoping he will do the right thing
2. Vote for one of Satans minions, Shillary or Obama, and hope it will produce a good canditate like Regan. If only we can have a Carter type Presidency to create a Regean.
3. Vote for a write in and essentially make my vote null, but have a clear conciece.
So there is my corumdun and how my heart is tugging and why I say vote for Hillary. Another consideration is that McCain looks like
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You should have no problem with McCain on a Christian only
February 8, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Dee Bunkand bible only perspective. Abortion and Gay marriage are the only Christian issues and McCain is against both. He would support judges who would limit abortion as much as possible and wouldn't give us court mandated gay marriage. Hillary and Obama will do the opposite. Their judges will put no limits on abortion, court order gay marriage. They will also take God out of the public sector completely.
Illegal immigration, trying to stop global warming (no matter how futile) and trashing republicans are not against the bible. So from a a Christian only perspective, McCain is fine.
Dee
February 8, 2008 - 11:47 ET by botgIllegal immigration, trying to stop global warming (no matter how futile) and trashing republicans are not against the bible.
Since when are stealing and bearing false witness condoned in the Bible?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Bruce - forgiving someone for stealing and being ingorant are
February 8, 2008 - 11:57 ET by Dee Bunknot. No one in the world lives without committing sin or bearing what some would consider false witness against another.
Of the candidates left, McCain is the only one who isn't hostile to the bible and the freedom for people to worship as they choose.
of the (major) candidates
February 8, 2008 - 12:05 ET by botgyes
i put up a forum yesterday asking McCain supporters to convince me, as a conservative, to vote for McCain and not the Constitution Party. So far no takers. The only hope i see is McCains pro-life posistions may lead to constructionist SCOTUS appointments. Then again his need for lib approvable scares me silly.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Dee, stop listening to
February 8, 2008 - 12:00 ET by Dan The Man 2Dee, stop listening to Satan telling you what Christian issues are. He will lie and say your issues are abortion and homosexual, you even bought into the PC gay term, and I say I look at the Bible as a whole and not just parts. I voted for President Bush twice because he is a true Christian, flaws and all. McCain is more like a Pharasee in taht he will sell his soul to Satan jsut to hold on to his power. At least one Pharasee saw the truth of who Jesus was because he looked to scripture, the others should have known and I believe some did but were on the Highway to Hell.
Huckabee is probably a Christian but he is more of teh liberal type and I don't trust him.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan - I can see your point there - McCain could sell his soul
February 8, 2008 - 13:45 ET by Dee BunkObama and Clinton already have though. If you can only have compassion and accept people who are Christian then Huck is your man. I don't look to a President for spiritual guidance. I look for them to hold up values and keep the country prosperous free and safe so that we can all be allowed to practice our faith.
None of the remaining candidates are good but McCain is far better than Obama and Hillary.
Dee, Got any evidence to
February 8, 2008 - 13:49 ET by LeonDee,
Got any evidence to back up your assertion that Obama has sold his soul?
Did you see him dancing with the Devil in the pale moon light?
Leon - I don't mean literally - I only mean in the context of
February 8, 2008 - 13:56 ET by Dee Bunkhow Dan believes. I have to run but I was just coming back to clarify.
All Democrats have sold
February 8, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Dan The Man 2All Democrats have sold their souls. One cannot really sell your sell but one can tuck it into a corner very neatly and trot it out when needed. According to the Bible you have probably sold your soul many times over. The Pharasees knowingly put God's Son Jesus, whom God sent to earth to death. To recognize Jeses as God one has to have a soul not sold out to Satan. Do you know Jesus Leon?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You're running out of places to go Rotorhead!
February 8, 2008 - 15:40 ET by IamTinmanCanada maybe, Europe is socialist and getting more so, australia just elected an AGW fanatic and that covers pretty much of the christian english speaking world. Better to stay and fight.
Super Tuesday 60% of voting republicans said they wanted a conservative candidate, not a moderate or a liberal. 4 years of democrat rule and that number will jump to 60% of all voters.
John McCain needs us more than we need him in order to win the presidency. If he can cut loose his left of center advisors and get right on Immigration and Global Warming, he may just get our support.
Otherwise man up rotorhead and hang in there for four years
RE:It is about time we had a veteran as commander in chief.
February 8, 2008 - 09:24 ET by han_soloTrue....and I know just the person for the job, and he is a excellent medical doctor and former US Airforce officer. Not to mention the candiate with the most support and donations from the US military community. If you play the 'military' card, Ron Paul beats John "i lost 5 planes' McCain.
<a href=http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/>
→ han solo
February 8, 2008 - 09:29 ET by Cool ArrowThanks, I thought you were talking about that great American Jimmy Carter who still has four years of eligibility left.
Remember how great he was at military affairs?
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Jimmy the bubble-head will
February 8, 2008 - 09:33 ET by ROTORHEAD77Jimmy the bubble-head will go down as one of the worst presidents in history. He is a true disgrace.
As an active duty military
February 8, 2008 - 09:32 ET by ROTORHEAD77As an active duty military aviator and officer, I can tell you that Senator McCain was flying into harms way. He lost his aircraft while attempting to accomplish the mission. As for the Forrestal, that was just pure bad luck.
One of my fellow aviators is a die hard Ron Paul guy. I find him kind of out there.
I served on DDG-56 (The USS John S. McCain, named after Senator McCain's father and grandfather) for 3 years. I know his, and his family's story. He will make a fine CinC.
→ Sorry Rotorhead
February 8, 2008 - 09:43 ET by Cool ArrowBut McCain's successful effort against free speech (McCain-Feingold) and his refusal to enforce our country's sovereignty (McCain-Kennedy) make McCain a tough pill to swallow.
It was unforgiveable of him to try to sneak amnesty through under cover of darkness.
I don't much care what McCain's motives were in either of these boondoggles. His efforts were contrary to my wishes.
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Very understandable
February 8, 2008 - 09:52 ET by ROTORHEAD77This illegal immigration amnesty deal worries me greatly. I hope that my candidate (McCain) has truly had a change of heart as he states. Only time and actions will tell, but I do believe that he is sincere.
I am concerned for our nation with respect to the illegal invasion from the south. We truly do need a fence, and then mass deportation. Call me a faciast, but I prefer to be referred to as a Nationalist. I feel that we are number one, and should do everything within our mitts to keep it that way.
→ Won't fly
February 8, 2008 - 09:59 ET by Cool ArrowI'd settle for less.
Put up a fence, and it wouldn't be long before we had the undesirables (felons and drug addicts) weeded out.
I don't think we need mass deportation. But we do need to put up a fence with gates only we control.
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blindly following the party is how this mess was created
February 8, 2008 - 10:13 ET by oorampthanks to those who vote the party line, they can put up whoever they want and those with blinders on will vote for them. If wasn't for them we would have people worthy of leading this country.
There is a lot more to a president than military experience, thanks for yours and thanks Mr McCain for his protecting my freedoms.
To me Mr McCain intentionally blocked the republicans at every turn on the things that mattered the most to the republican base.
He was the media's main weapon in destroying the republican unity.
My main enemy is the media, they are the ones who creates the narrative on most issues in this country. They use this power to push an agenda that is directly opposite of what I believe and SEN. MCCAIN is in bed with them. Come back after the convention and count how many snake bites the senator has on him from the media that got him the nomination in the first place.
He is known as the maverick for bucking republicans and now those same people he crapped on are supposed to forget that?
Well they followed blindly at little bighorn too. Not me, you support your person over one part of his record, but I'm rejecting him on his whole record!
I agree Ramp, if a
February 8, 2008 - 12:00 ET by ConservativeRexI agree Ramp, if a Republican doesn't stand for the smallest tax cuts then there is not much he will stand for. And it's a typical red herring to think Juan is immune to criticism because he is a combat veteran. That's the same argument the Libs and the MSM use when they equate criticism of Barry to racism, and I'll have none of it.
Juan voted the way he did, fine. Now man up to it when it is pointed out to him that his votes did not serve Conservative purposes. And in fact were as close to how Ed Kennedy (his radio buddy) voted then any Conservative Senator.
He's the one pissing and moaning about not getting a fair shake from Conservatives. As we say in the oil patch.."don't start no crap and there won't be no crap". Or words to that effect.
Han Solo
February 8, 2008 - 09:55 ET by OldSailor88I'm active duty Military, and I haven't met a single Ron Paul supporter. I'd like to see the records that prove he is receiving the most monetary support from active duty Military as I find it very hard to believe.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
Here are the records, but I doubt they'll stop all the moans...
February 8, 2008 - 12:36 ET by sarcasmoRight here.
Unless us evil Paul supporters have somehow hacked opensecrets, that is. There are many reasons to dislike or dismiss Ron Paul. Lack of support from the US military ain't one of 'em, like it or not. For the record, I don't think he's going to win, but the truth remains the truth when it comes to the military & Ron Paul...
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Okay, so McCain (D-AZ)
February 8, 2008 - 09:59 ET by ArchConservativeOkay, so McCain (D-AZ) served honorably. I will never take that away from him, especially being a 20-yr vet myself and having served in Iraq. But that doesn't qualify him to be President. Maybe he would be a much better SecDef than Commander in Chief, I don't know. I do know that I have serious issues with him on foreign policy (especially his eagerness to shut down Gtmo) and domestically (taxes, immigration, etc.). He probably will be our choice to oppose ObamaClinton in November but I will still have a hard time pushing that button for him. Like I said before, I might just take my son out to a movie and lunch and have a pleasant day instead of having to choke back my bile and push my core values into the toilet while I vote.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
The msm will continue
February 8, 2008 - 10:02 ET by MidAmericaThe msm will continue to run stories of Republican internal strife to (1) fan the flames to keep the war of words going (like we are doing here and at other sites) (2) keep the public's focus off the dems possible death match going on between hillary and barack.
If we really want to disappoint the media then we should just accept where we are and move forward. There will be another day and another election. Don't like what happened this time? Then spend your energy getting ready for the next election. Had conservatives been more organized and decisive I think the outcome this year would have been different. We don't want to become Algores who cannot get over losing an election.
Dobson to endorse Huckabee...would not ever for McCain...
February 8, 2008 - 10:36 ET by vrwc13http://news.yahoo.co...
"James Dobson, one of the nation's most prominent evangelical Christian leaders, is about to endorse former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, The Associated Press has learned."
...hmmm
...and...
"Should Sen. McCain capture the nomination as many assume, I believe this general election will offer the worst choices for President in my lifetime," Dobson said in a message to his e-mail subscribers the morning of Super Tuesday. "I certainly can't vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama based on their virulently anti-family policy positions. If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for President for the first time in my life." http://www.christian...
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
Too little too late vrwc - he should have endorsed Romney
February 8, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Dee BunkHuck has no chance. He was a spoiler and Huck supports McCain so if Dobson can support Huck he can support McCain. Huck is the reason McCain won.
→ What's the point
February 8, 2008 - 10:57 ET by Cool ArrowRomney is the reason Huck doesn't have more delegates. That argument can also be made. But why?
Huckabee was, and is a candidate. He filed on time, and he is campaigning. This stuff about Huck being a spoiler presupposes his initial intent upon entering the race was to thwart Romney.
It wasn't so then, and it isn't so now.
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I agree that it wasn't his initial intent Cool
February 8, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Dee BunkBut he's not an idiot and any idiot knows you can't win against a front runner by not criticizing any of their policies.
Bottom line Dee...does the
February 8, 2008 - 11:09 ET by vrwc13Bottom line Dee...does the Republican party, or those who primarily vote Republican, have more moderate/liberals or conservative members?
As more conservatives really see who Huckabee is, his support will grow. Come'on board, I think you will like what you see.
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
vrwc - I already voted. I liked Huckabee a lot better than
February 8, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Dee BunkMcCain but he sold out to McCain.
"I liked Huckabee a lot
February 8, 2008 - 11:32 ET by vrwc13"I liked Huckabee a lot better than McCain but he sold out to McCain."
Not sure I saw that. Could you fill me in on where you saw that happening? I always saw Huckabee in it for Huckabee.
v
"Information is the currency of democracy." - Thomas Jefferson
→ So who's left
February 8, 2008 - 11:14 ET by Cool Arrowyou can't win against a front runner by not criticizing any of their policies.
You're right, but you can't defeat the frontrunner when your support is split with another contender back in the pack either.
He's outlasted Romney, and if he feels he still has a chance, more power to him.
But you're right, he will have to attack McCain now.
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Cool, McCain is all puffed
February 8, 2008 - 11:19 ET by vrwc13Cool, McCain is all puffed up now, a combination of Huckabee's cool and McCain's self-destructive temper and non-conservative positions make for an interesting time.
v
"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."
Dee I don't think it's over
February 8, 2008 - 11:05 ET by vrwc13Dee I don't think it's over yet...you don't give the VRWC folks much credit. Seriously, the conservative voting block can still be heard. Dobson doesn't give his endorsement without due diligence.
Let's not do the McCain party dance just yet!
v
"Information is the currency of democracy." - Thomas Jefferson
Show me the math vrwc. What states does Huck need to win?
February 8, 2008 - 11:08 ET by Dee BunkShow me the math vrwc. What states does Huck need to win?
It's over - Romney had a slim chance after super Tues. Huck has none.
Have a little faith Dee
February 8, 2008 - 11:15 ET by vrwc13Have a little faith Dee ....my proud state of Texas has 140, and there's more out there.
Plus McCain could have a tendency to self-destruct, his temper maybe?
v
"Information is the currency of democracy." - Thomas Jefferson
140 + more doesn't do it. Like I said show me the math. How
February 8, 2008 - 11:18 ET by Dee Bunkmany winner take all states are left and how many delegates do they have? You can't even dream this one.
I can dream this one, plus
February 8, 2008 - 11:36 ET by vrwc13I can dream this one, plus like Cool says, we have a big God, and just a little faith (like a mustard seed) is enough.
v
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
→ but vrwc
February 8, 2008 - 11:21 ET by Cool ArrowMost of us are Christians here, but we'll resist to the death our God's right to perform a miracle.
Let's just keep Him off in the corner where he belongs.
<sarc off>
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I think God puts his faith in people and wouldn't dare intervene
February 8, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Dee Bunkbecause mistakes bring lessons. He'd be cheating us from learning them if he intervened.
Dee
February 8, 2008 - 11:53 ET by bassndudeThat is not what Jesus indicated when he stood before Pilot. He told Pilot that God put him where he was at, and any power he had was given to him by God.
We may know Gods will, but not his plan.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Forgive them Father they know not what they do
February 8, 2008 - 12:01 ET by Dee BunkJesus's last words. God didn't save Jesus because it was our lesson to learn.
no offense
February 8, 2008 - 12:16 ET by sentforth5Christ's last words quoted the 22nd psalm and then said,"It is finished." Luke reports that He quoted Psalm 31 V.5 and then ascended.
I'm a real stickler for accuracy.
No offense taken sentforth. What ever - his dying words then
February 8, 2008 - 12:21 ET by Dee BunkIt doesn't change the substance of what I said. There is nothing wrong with liking accuracy but it shouldn't be an excuse for ignoring the bigger picture
yer right
February 8, 2008 - 14:10 ET by sentforth5sorry,DB...that is a bad habit I have.
→ No way Dee
February 8, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Cool ArrowA god who would put his faith in any human being other than Jesus Christ would not be God.
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God -- put His faith??
February 8, 2008 - 11:58 ET by botgGod has knowledge not faith. We have (reasoned) faith based in limited knowledge
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Maybe faith isn't the exact right word. He wants people to
February 8, 2008 - 12:13 ET by Dee Bunklearn and he doesn't want them to have a free ride. None of us are perfect enough and certainly no Presidential candidate is worthy of his endorsement. God didn't put Jesus here to rule over people and he wouldn't have let him die and let evil people rule if that were the case.
We the people are responsible for resisting evil. It's our job to elect people who will protect innocent children and the right of everyone to have their own individual spiritual path.
→ Now we agree Dee
February 8, 2008 - 12:20 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if we ignore God, as we have, we serve another master by default.
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Well it's about time Cool! You just have to talk with me
February 8, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Dee Bunklong enough and you can find something to agree with me on. ; )
→ Dee
February 8, 2008 - 12:52 ET by Cool ArrowTrue.
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just sayin' is all
February 8, 2008 - 11:58 ET by sentforth5God gives the majority freewill and I know He has faith in us to do right, but just in case He also has an election who perform exactly as God instructs...no freewill, they are soldiers. Just sayin'.
→ Right sentforth
February 8, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Cool ArrowAnd it was just an accident that scaffolding fell so close to Justice Sandra O'Conner, prompting her to exclaim: "We could have been killed."
She did retire shortly thereafter. I'm just sayin, too.
♣ a seal
sentforth
February 8, 2008 - 12:18 ET by botgHe also has an election who perform exactly as God instructs...no freewill, they are soldiers.
why would you believe that? There are none righteous no not one
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
God has no respect of persons.
February 8, 2008 - 12:24 ET by sentforth5I did not say the Election was prettier, better,more favored,righteous...nothing like that...the Election sin as much as anyone and must repent like anyone else who seeks forgiveness..BUT the Election can be moved around or situated by God as tools to see that His plan of salvation comes to pass, and His manipulation in no way will affect their chance at salvation. The book of Ephesians will clear that up for ya.
I'm just sayin' is all.
sentforth
February 8, 2008 - 12:29 ET by botgGod is sovereign and He has given all freewill.
I doubt a reading of Ephesians will clear up your shoddy exegesis for me!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Not all have freewill
February 8, 2008 - 12:38 ET by sentforth5But I am not a NB commenter out to start religious upbraiding.
I'll just say that at one time satan was a good child of God, but he rebelled...some of us resisted satan then, and have already been judged and live in the flesh, in this age not to seek salvation, but to perform tasks on God's command. I can easily document all that in a good old King James, and that's all I am going to pursue of this matter. I am not an evangelist, I am a teacher.
some of us resisted satan
February 8, 2008 - 13:15 ET by botgsome of us resisted satan then, and have already been judged and live in the flesh, in this age not to seek salvation, but to perform tasks on God's command.
You were there at Satan's fall???
you don't need salvation????
Do tell.....
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Sorry, Brent..
February 8, 2008 - 13:32 ET by sentforth5We were all there at satan's fall.
The election gained salvation at the time of the fall of satan because they were the third of God's children who fought against satan at that time.
What did God tell St. Jeremiah? He said that He had chosen Jeremiah as a prophet BEFORE the foundations of the earth.
What did He say of Paul?? He said he(Paul) was a CHOSEN VESSEL unto Him(God).
Who is Peter's first epistle addressed to? The Elect.
Does it not say in the great book of Ephesians ch1 v5 that God has PREDESTINATED the chosen mentioned in v4?
Read Romans ch 8, all of it, and focus on vvs 30 onward.
Receive understanding in love. Do tell, indeed.
Wow sent
February 8, 2008 - 13:57 ET by botggood imagination, be careful adding to Scripture (Rev 22:18)
God chooses before we exist, God elects, God predestines, God does these things not us
For it is appointed unto man once to live then the judgement
Who is Brent???
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Brent wrote this story.
February 8, 2008 - 14:15 ET by sentforth5I will answer to God for what I teach. I have studied long and hard and continue daily! At best I wish my judgement day to be payday.
As the Bible sez--The preachers are the first to be judged so that EVERYONE gets to see our fate. I'm sure more than a few will enjoy seeing me before Him.
those who would teach
February 8, 2008 - 15:07 ET by botghave the greater judgement. (to be accurate, it doesn't say first and it doesn't say preach)
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Well...
February 8, 2008 - 15:34 ET by sentforth5Did you see quotation marks in my comment? I think the fact was correct. I used the word FIRST as spoken in 2timothy ch2 v 2.
If memory serves He used the word FIRST in 1peter ch4 v17, too.
And the house of God? That's preachers...m'k?
the congregation will be
February 8, 2008 - 19:19 ET by botgthe congregation will be pleased with the promotion
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BOTG
February 9, 2008 - 08:35 ET by sentforth5You rock!
...opposed by 'hard-line, blah, blah,blah..."
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