During MSNBC's live New Hampshire primary night coverage, former NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw warned that poll results getting ahead of the voters could turn the public against the media, but then blamed the inaccurate polling on how “people probably are not as honest with pollsters.” Chris Matthews, who urged an “inquest” on the polls which all had Barack Obama well ahead of Hillary Clinton in the Granite state when Clinton actually won, saw “an ethnic factor here.” Matthews extrapolated on his theory involving “Archie Bunker,” the bigoted 1970s TV character:
I've always thought that pollers, people, pollsters who call people up and ask them how they're going to vote, speak in perfect English, and standard English, they speak with a kind of a politically correct manner and it encourages a politically correct answer. I've often thought that if an Archie Bunker voice were to come over the phone, and ask people how they're going to vote, you'd get a more honest answer.
During the 11pm EST hour, Brokaw warned: “I think that the people out there are going to begin to make judgments about us -- if they haven't already -- if we don't begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding...” He soon, however, blamed the voters: “I think people probably are not as honest with pollsters when they get called anymore because they're called constantly and they do change their minds. We're in a culture now, Chris, in which attention spans are very short, which people make quick decisions and change them equally quickly.”
Fuller transcripts of the two sets of comments from Tuesday night, January 8:
Tom Brokaw, just after 11pm EST following Barack Obama's concession speech:
We don't have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede, in effect, the process. Look, I'm not just picking on us, it's part of the culture in which we live these days. But I think that the people out there are going to begin to make judgments about us -- if they haven't already -- if we don't begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding in many cases as we learned in New Hampshire when they went into the polling booth today or in the last three days. They were making decisions very late....
I think people probably are not as honest with pollsters when they get called anymore because they're called constantly and they do change their minds. We're in a culture now, Chris, in which attention spans are very short, which people make quick decisions and change them equally quickly. So we have to be very careful about that. What we ought to do is invest in the American people in their wisdom.
Matthews, a few minutes before midnight EST:
I would like to see an inquest on these polls and the methodology because we have always learned eventually what went wrong with polling. Back in the '36 race, of course, with Alf Landon the underdog against Franklin Roosevelt in his re-election campaign, that was a poll which showed that Alf Landon was going to beat Roosevelt but it turned out it was taken on the telephone and very few people had telephones back then who didn't have any money because nobody had any money. And then of course, the polling that was done in '48 of the infamous Truman-Dewey race. The polling ended like in early October. They just stopped polling way too early.I think there is going to be some examination here. Hopefully it's fruitful to determine whether there was an ethnic factor here. I've always thought that pollers, people, pollsters who call people up and ask them how they're going to vote, speak in perfect English, and standard English, they speak with a kind of a politically correct manner and it encourages a politically correct answer. I've often thought that an Archie Bunker voice were to come over the phone, and ask people how they're going to vote, you'd get a more honest answer.
Anyway, that's as it stands now. Every one of these pollsters can't have had terrible methodology. There must be an underlying factor here of people giving different answers than they intended to act upon when they went into that voting booth. Unless people didn't even know how they're going to vote and I think there's something common to all these pollsters. We'll find out.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center



We don't have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede, in effect, the process. Look, I'm not just picking on us, it's part of the culture in which we live these days. But I think that the people out there are going to begin to make judgments about us -- if they haven't already -- if we don't begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding in many cases as we learned in New Hampshire when they went into the polling booth today or in the last three days. They were making decisions very late....













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The real MSNBC story tonight..
January 9, 2008 - 02:38 ET by MikeknaJI think the real MSNBC story tonight, for those who watched their coverage, was how they all piled on and ridiculed - outright laughed at - John McCain's victory speech. I was, well, speechless, to see such outright unprofessional behavior coming from both the hosts and the political panel.
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I'd like to see the blog
January 9, 2008 - 02:59 ET by tracheostomyI'd like to see the blog here on that.
-PJ
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Found it
January 9, 2008 - 14:13 ET by MikeknaJInside Cable News has the video here. This is actually Mike Barnacle piling on after the initial laugh-fest:
http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2008/01/08/new-hampshire-2008-yucking-it-up-at-msnbc-over-mccain-speech/
"The shadow proves the sunshine" - Switchfoot
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Obama the candidate of Guilt
January 9, 2008 - 02:42 ET by PopularTechObama is no Alan Keyes, it is not the color of his skin but his middle name Hussein, his absolute lack of any experience, his age (47) and not saying anything other than hope and change.
I am so sick of the guilt candidates. We need a woman, we need someone black, we need someone spanish ect... No we need a President.
Mathews is just another Al Sharpton.
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}}---> You got that right Tech
January 9, 2008 - 02:49 ET by Cool ArrowThere's so much guilt baiting over there it's unbelievable.
I know it's a costly joke, but what happens when the dog catches the car?
When the ultimate glass ceiling is shattered?
When the (fill in ethnic status) lands the most prestigious office in the land?
How can that group ever again cry "discrimination"?
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If you listen to Matthews'
January 9, 2008 - 02:58 ET by MikeknaJIf you listen to Matthews' comments, what he said was fair - he was not guilting anyone, but simply trying to figure out why all of the polls here were so far, far off of the results.
There WAS some sort of flaw in the polling, and the "Bradley" effect, as it was refered to, is a valid theory.
It couldn't have been late deciders, because of those who decided in the past 3 days the edge actually slightly went to Obama, according to the exit polls. The flaw was in the polling, and either it was bad methodology, which doesn't make sense because EVERY poll was wrong, or something else. Like the Bradley effect, perhaps.
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I think people lie to
January 9, 2008 - 08:34 ET by motherbeltI don't suppose it occurred to Matthews and Brokow that people lie to pollsters just because they are sick and tired of being bugged by them. They (we?) are trying to show them polls really don't matter; except the one taken on election day. As for the Bradley effect: ditto.
We live in a political world now where we know what the President is going to say in a speech before he gets to the podium, where politicians announce, in advance, that they are going to announce this or that, on Thursday, etc. etc. etc.
The MSM pundits just want to show how smart they are by telling everyone ahead of time what's going to happen.
Poor Chrissie... upset that his guy was projected to win (by polls)
and then didn't. Well you know what? We could just take several polls,
do the average, and not bother with the actual election. How's that
work for ya?
Polls are never wrong
January 9, 2008 - 09:03 ET by KC BeachJust ask President Dewey!
It doesn't matter what
January 9, 2008 - 08:52 ET by taterIt doesn't matter what gender, skin color, or ethnicity a person is...the mantra of the MSM is "WE NEED A DEMOCRAT"
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This is an ugly portent of
January 9, 2008 - 02:54 ET by stratmanThis is an ugly portent of things to come.
Dems are already calling for a recount of a Primary poll!!!
Matthews is a race-baiting childish rat.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Hm, Brokaw is 1/2 right,
January 9, 2008 - 02:58 ET by tracheostomyHm, Brokaw is 1/2 right, but man. . .he says it in a way like we're all stupid or something.
:pulling hair out:
It's not our fault the information is constantly piling on. There's so much of it, you literally need to be online nearly 12 hours a day, 5 days a week, in order to be fully informed; not to mention doing the work of separating fact from fiction from rumor!!! I feel fortunate that I at least have an online job that allows me to check the headlines often.
People like my wife for example, who work a regular 9-5 office situation, is lucky when she can catch something on the car radio! Occasionally, during her lunch hour, the cafeteria has a TV turned to Fox News. If you're working middle class, that is way more than an average news media intake!
And Tom, that's still not enough in my opinion to make a truly informed decision about a candidate.
Screw it, he's not listening anyway.
-PJ
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We don't have to get in the
January 9, 2008 - 03:04 ET by drillanwrWe don't have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede, in effect, the process.
Gee, ya think? TOO LATE! I mean, why stop now? Part of the problem in Fla. 2000 was you ass-clowns doing this crap! And then stepped it up in 2004 even!
BTW, what even makes you, the MSM, think it's really any of your business who is voting for who? When I am hounded on the way into the building to vote I always say, "I" have made up "MY" mind, thank you very much ... And on the way out if I am asked by a pollster I ALWAYS say None of your damn business. However, in the Nov. election, if I am asked, I will respond, "So, who did you have sex with last night?" and walk away.
Who cares anyway
January 9, 2008 - 03:25 ET by Captain RepusNow that the race is down to 4 democrats (Clinton, Obama, McCain and Huckabee), who gives a rats-a$$ who wins.
I knew the Republican party had no chance this year but at least hoped to see a Republican in the race if for no other reason than to be able to say "I told you so" when the Dow hits 5000, my government health clinic installs 'take a number' machine next to the sign that reads 'Abortion patients please step to the front of the line', and the next terrorist attack is just another news item.
Hopefully I will still get my revenge by heaving a sledge hammer through the giant-screen image of mother Hillary giving her State of the World address.
Relax Captain R.....It's only New Hampshire
January 9, 2008 - 10:45 ET by JayTeeCaptain, New Hampshire has a smaller Population than Iowa, wait till we get to the BIG states.......Feb. 5th
B.S.NBC ... at least they're anti-Clinton ...
January 9, 2008 - 03:30 ET by jonathananderson... but how long will that last?
Over at the ABC blog linked
January 9, 2008 - 03:41 ET by obxrayOver at the ABC blog linked from drudge.The author of the blog is questioning the poll #. Most of the responce is voter fraud. The polls had everyone dead on except Obama and Hillary. Does seem a little fishy.
Why is this such a
January 9, 2008 - 05:04 ET by Full MonteWhy is this such a contraversy? What do polls mean? Nothing, unless you are trying to get your ratings up for your news network. The only people that should be worried about polls that didn't match the actual outcome of the election (this is why we actually go through with the election) are the networks who look stupid when they are wrong.
Lets face it. Polls are the
January 9, 2008 - 07:45 ET by Pete WilsonLets face it. Polls are the lazy reporters tool. Instead of actually reporting on events, they are constantly reporting on poll "results". Otherwise, why are the punditocracy so overwhelmingly concerned with he "accuracy" of their polls? IMHO because it is the only thing they report on, and, if inaccurate, they have nothing else to do, unless, of course, they want to actually report, not opine, on actual events.
I always lie to pollsters (for the fun of it)
January 9, 2008 - 05:56 ET by SouthJersey1953I have only been polled a few times, but I aways have told them my choice was someone else. I do it because they use the polls TOO MUCH and if the polls are no longer accurate, maybe, just maybe, they will not do them so often.......
Obviously, I am not the only one. Just look at the 2004 election!! They were shocked when the results differed so much from their "exit" polling.
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
Other bad polls
January 9, 2008 - 08:00 ET by ThisnThatMaybe the MSM should wake up and realize POLLS are simply Opinion, not predictors. We see bad opinions all over the place.
7-day weather forecasts
End-of-the-month jobless reports
Global warming anything
Football game point-spreads
Stupid (but fun) Newsbuster polls
and yes, Voting polls
But yet, let's put the blame on the people who answer the questions, rather than on the types of questions asked and their interpretation. Stupid MSM.
BTW, the so-called "Margin of Error" cited by pollsters is only a statistical measure -- it has nothing at all to do with the content of the question being asked. So when you have stupid polls being conducted, or a very dynamic situation, the Margin of Error shouldn't be treated like it is infallible.
Finally, did some NH voters give out bad information during the polling? You bet I did!
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" I've often thought that
January 9, 2008 - 08:38 ET by NoMoreClintonsImpatient MSM
January 9, 2008 - 08:44 ET by Six String SpiffWhen the HELL is the MSM going to learn it's lesson about polling? You have to WAIT for ACTUAL RESULTS! The MSM has tried time and time again to control the outcome of EVERY ELECTION since I can remember. Poll all you want, dummies. The fact remains that the VOTERS will decide, NOT YOU! So sick of this BS. CNN Rasmusan bladdy blah blah... There is only ONE poll that could actually have some meaning, and that is ZOGBY. They poll voters. Not likely voters, or people sitting at home eating Doritos and slamming Pepsi. VOTERS.
Don't make the news
January 9, 2008 - 09:11 ET by ThisnThatMemo to MSM -- Report the news -- that's your job. Quit trying to make the news, or mould everything to your viewpoint.
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"We're in a culture now,
January 9, 2008 - 09:12 ET by Killgrave"We're in a culture now, Chris, in which attention spans are very short, which people make quick decisions and change them equally quickly."
..and the MSM has nothing to do with that, right, Tommy? You don't cherry-pick and grind down facts through a liberal filter into bite-sized nuggets, to be consumed by the handful of ignoramuses who still go to Old Media to get their "information"?
I sense some sour grapes here. Maybe people are starting to think for themselves and not go along with Old Media teachings. Yeah, those internets are a bitch, aren't they, Tommy?
We must not overlook or underrate...
January 9, 2008 - 09:53 ET by ThalpyWe must not overlook or underrate the the press' recurring contribution to our society-consistency. Remarkable, day in and day out, they continue to deliver a sub-prime product to us.
We 'rubes' have spoken
January 9, 2008 - 10:17 ET by pocomoco“…..I’ve often thought that if an Archie Bunker voice were to come over the phone, and ask people how they're going to vote, you'd get a more honest answer.
”Once again, when things don’t meet their agenda, the MSM pull out their ‘voters are rubes’ routine.
We ‘rubes’ have, long ago, taken our own poll and voted that the MSM are a worthless bunch.
Because of their constant demeaning of their viewers and readers, they have become the object of their own demise.
They can call us whatever they want, but the fact remains that their days are numbered.
Polls and predicting the Future
January 9, 2008 - 10:39 ET by JayTeewhat ? An Inquest into polls, and their failure to exactly predict the Future ?
WOW, I'm all for that, lets get the Future predictions right, the MSM cannot afford to be wrong in the Future.....we've GOT to reverse the Trend. When the MSM tells us Obama is ahead by double digits, we need to Trust them.
Take a Poll and see if the public thinks the MSM is accurate in predicting the future.
BUSH WINS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
January 9, 2008 - 11:51 ET by FAQsYesterday, voters in New Hampshire refused to "rebuke" President Bush when they voted for Hillary instead of Obama.
Chris Matthews said, "There's no doubt about it. And there's no way to read it except as a victory for President Bush."
Indeed, Mike from the 1st comment!
January 9, 2008 - 21:49 ET by D. S. HubeI couldn't believe what I was watching. Supposedly professional political "journalists," openly mocking John McCain's speech including outright laughter. The kicker was Olbermann's smirking "apology." It was disgusting. Matthews almost redeemed himself by reviewing McCain's distinguished history, but then blew it by beginning to laugh at the end of his soliloquy.
Again, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.