Tibbets Disturbed by Calls for Remorse Which Williams Conveyed

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By Brent Baker | November 1, 2007 - 21:38 ET

Reading a brief item Thursday night about the death of retired Brigadier General Paul Tibbets, pilot of the Enola Gay, NBC's Brian Williams noted that “he requested there be no funeral, no headstone left behind, so there would be no place for his detractors to protest.” Interestingly, just over two years ago, Williams himself conveyed the very line of attack on the Enola Gay crew which so upset Tibbets: that they should be remorseful for dropping an atom bomb.

To mark the 60th anniversary of the Enola Gay dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, Brian Williams went to the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum annex near Dulles Airport -- where the plane is on display -- to talk to the plane's navigator, Dutch Van Kirk. Williams asked: “Do you have remorse for what happened? How do you deal with that in your mind?” Van Kirk indignantly replied: “No, I do not have remorse...”

Video clip of the Williams/Van Kirk exchange on the August 5, 2005 NBC Nightly News (27 secs): Real or Windows Media, plus MP3 audio (screen capture below)

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The item read by Williams on the November 1 NBC Nightly News:

From Columbus, Ohio, tonight, news that the commander and the pilot of the Enola Gay, the B-29 that dropped the atom bomb on Hiroshima in the last days of World War II has died. Brigadier General Paul Tibbets had recently been in poor health. Like millions of his generation, General Tibbets never questioned his wartime mission. But tonight a friend reports, he requested there be no funeral, no headstone left behind, so there would be no place for his detractors to protest. General Paul Tibbets was 92 years old.

The AP obituary, by Julie Carr Smyth, recounted Tibbets' view on what he did and criticism of it:

Throughout his life, Tibbets seemed more troubled by other people's objections to the bomb than by him having led the crew that killed tens of thousands of Japanese in a single stroke. The attack marked the beginning of the end of World War II.

Tibbets grew tired of criticism for delivering the first nuclear weapon used in wartime, telling family and friends that he wanted no funeral service or headstone because he feared a burial site would only give detractors a place to protest.

The Washington Post's obituary for Tibbets, by Adam Bernstein, recalled his anger at a planned 1995 Smithsonian exhibit:

Gen. Tibbets was angered by the planned 50th anniversary exhibit of the Enola Gay at the Smithsonian Institution, which included a long explanation of the suffering caused by the atomic attacks. He and veterans groups said there was not enough about Japanese villainy during the war. The Smithsonian exhibit, at the National Air and Space Museum, went ahead without commentary or analysis.

Speaking of that Smithsonian controversy, a trip down memory lane with an excerpt from the MRC's “Janet Cooke Award” in the August of 1995 issue of our old MediaWatch newsletter:

ABC Special Contends U.S. Dropped the Bomb Unnecessarily to Stoke the Cold War

Professor Jennings' Fractured Fairy Tale

The Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum is currently exhibiting a newly refurbished Enola Gay, the plane that dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima 50 years ago. But the museum's curators originally planned a confessional exhibit, displaying America's guilt and Japan's innocence in World War II. One museum passage would have read that for Americans, fighting Japan was "a war of vengeance. For most Japanese, it was a war to defend their unique culture against Western imperialism."

That canceled leftist exhibit in a tax-funded museum became the center of ABC's July 27 Peter Jennings Reporting 90-minute special, "Hiroshima: Why the Bomb Was Dropped." ABC told viewers U.S. officials overstated the casualty estimates of an invasion of Japan; that the Allied demand for the dumping of the Japanese emperor delayed an imminent surrender; and that the U.S. dropped the bomb not to save lives, but to play a cynical Cold War game of intimidating the Soviets. For presenting a one-sided version of revisionist history much like the rejected exhibit, ABC earned the August Janet Cooke Award.

Jennings began by mourning the original Smithsonian vision, implying that the facts were no match for the politicians: "Many veterans insisted that by dropping the bomb, the U.S. avoided a ground invasion of the Japanese mainland. One million lives, they argued, had been saved. But when the Smithsonian responded that such a claim had no historical basis, the vets went to Capitol Hill. Eighty-one Congressmen took up their cause....the Smithsonian bent to pressure....There would be nothing on the decision to drop the bomb and there would be no pictures of the victims."...

Jennings ended the show with a gripe: "It's unfortunate, we think, that some veterans' organizations and some politicians felt the need to bully our most important national museum, so the whole story of Hiroshima is not represented here. That is not fair to history or to the rest of us. After all, freedom of discussion was one of the ideals that Americans fought and died for." ABC failed to air a free discussion....

A transcript of the second half of the August 5, 2005 NBC Nightly News story, picking up after Van Kirk offered some recollections of what he saw:

WILLIAMS INTONED, OVER VIDEO OF THE DEVASTATION AND INJURED CHILDREN: 70,000 people in the city of Hiroshima were killed instantly. The lingering radiation killed 70,000 more over the next five years. But Dutch and his fellow crew members will have none of the controversy surrounding the bomb. They point out that the firebombing of Japanese cities earlier in the war killed four times as many people. It's widely believed the U.S. would have invaded Japan, and that the Japanese would have fought to the very end.

WILLIAMS TO VAN KIRK AS THE TWO STOOD NEXT TO THE ENOLA GAY: You just told me the story about one photograph from the war that always kind of catches you, the Japanese soldier returning to his city that's been destroyed. Do you have remorse for what happened? How do you deal with that in your mind?

VAN KIRK REPLIED EMPHATICALLY: No, I do not have remorse. I pity the people who were there. I always think of it, Brian, as being, the dropping of the atom bomb was an act of war to end a war.

That ended the NBC story.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center

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Brigadier General Paul

Brigadier General Paul Tibbets served with honor. We owe all those that served in WWII a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid. He helped to save the world. Williams should be ashamed of himself.

Thank you Brigidier General Tibbets, rest in peace.

You said all I wanted to

You said all I wanted to say. To a true American hero.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

A place to celebrate

It is sad that left wing whack jobs have taken a place of celebration away from most Americans. I mean, people can go to Elvis' grave to celebrate his life and music, but we may never get to do the same for a true American hero. All because some people don't get the fact that those two bombs may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives by ending WWII.

As and aside, I have seen specials on WWII that showed crewmembers of the Enola Gay saddened by the events. I doubt they regretted their role in the bombing, but you could see in their faces they regretted that their was a need to drop them at all. I wish I could remember exactly who was interviewed, but it was touching.

WWII:

Ordinary men and women called upon to do extraordinary things.

If we could only bottle the deep desperation General Tibbets and his generation felt at the time to end the war and the ever-climbing death rates and get Brian Williams to drink it. Then maybe he wouldn't be so quick to revise history from the new PC POV 60 years later.

It's easy to sit back and be judgmental when you weren't there---a hell of a lot harder to live through it. 

 

 

msh1973

"Brigadier General Paul Tibbets served with honor. We owe all those that
served in WWII a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid. He helped
to save the world. Williams should be ashamed of himself. Thank you Brigidier General Tibbets, rest in peace."

Hear, hear!

God bless you and keep you General Tibbets

Men like Paul Tibbets and those who made up the crews of the Enola Gay and Backs Car, the plane which dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki, come only rarely. I fear that men of their sort will not be seen in some time. I lived in Quincy, Illinois (General Tibbets' birthplace) for nearly four years. There is no statue or plaque, not a single marker nor any sort of place honoring him anywhere in that lovely town. Sad.

Brigadier General Paul Tibbets was a hero.

First of all, may God bless Gen. Tibbets for the extraordinary mission he and his gallant crew undertook that morning of August 06, 1945.

Many thousands, if not millions, of American lives were saved from certain death by that mission. Invading the home islands of Japan would have been a nightmare. One far worse than Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, and the rest combined.

Brian Williams is about as ignorant an American as you will ever see on television.

 

 

the dropping of the atom

the dropping of the atom bomb was an act of war to end a war. -Dutch van Kirk, Enola Gay navigator

Now that's eloquence!

Ken Burns, Hiroshima, and the Atomic Bomb

Ken Burns, Hiroshima, and the Atomic Bomb.

This is my take on Ken Burns and his experience in the making of his recent WW II documentary. As the anticipation swelled for the beginning of the film, I could not help but wonder how Ken Burns would tackle the historic and often contorted view (as Williams demonstrates) of the events ending the war with Japan.

I assumed that it would be the worst possible take on the use of the bomb to end that horrible and tragic war the Japanese Empire started, however somehow during the process of 7 long years in making the film, Burns, I believe became enlightened on the reality of what was. I did see one interview with him in which the question was raised, and although the words were not as strong as one might wish for, they were warmly received. It appeared that Ken Burns dived so deep into the facts and the horrors of WW II that he came to understand that the scope was so much larger than the typical shallow thinking of the Brian Williams's of our day, and learned that for himself, he could not possibly be in a position of passing judgment on the decisions required during those days.

Invasion vs. the bomb

My father-in-law flew 3-47's in the Pacific during WWII. 

One of the few times he talked about the war he told me he was training for the invasion of Japan.  He would be pulling gliders filled with soldiers to land inland beyond the shore defenses.   The casualties were expected to be high from that operation.

They got word of the bomb being dropped, and it was a great relief.  He said that noone could ever convince him that dropping the bomb was wrong.

I'll have to agree with him on that. 

Dropping the bomb versus a

Dropping the bomb versus a land invasion that could easily have been the bloodiest operation in American history? I wasn't alive then, but I think it's kind of a no-brainer.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?

Aye, rightly so. The

Aye, rightly so. The Japanese have been a proud people since their culture's inception, and fighting to the death, futile cause or no, is something I don't doubt their whole military and many of their civilians would have done in event of an invasion. Those two bombs did in a single stroke what would have taken the devastation of far more of that country, it's people, and our troops. Nobody in their right mind, knowing anything about Japan's history can honestly claim otherwise. Yes, hundreds of thousands of people died from those bombs, but potentially millions more were spared. Two cities seems a small price to pay for a nation.

God bless General Tibbets and the others of those two crews. If I can serve my nation one-hundredth as well as they, I'll consider myself a giant among men. As for these media fools, none of them are fit to lick Gen. Tibbets' boots, much less question his conviction in that great undertaking.

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THe Revisionists Never GO Away.

 I can remember reading a history of WWII by Samual Eliot Morrison, who was a naval historian.  In his books he presented the invasion plans, for Japan, which went on until 1947, fighting island by island. 

When we went into Japan, after the surrender, we were amazed by what they still had to fight with and saw their plans for suicide attacks. 

ANyone, who has read the history of that war, should look at what their citizens did in Okinawa.  They were so thoroughly indoctrinated they actually believed the Americans would rape and kill them for no reason so they took their families and jumped to their death, from high cliffs.  There was little doubt these people would fight to the death.

Not only did dropping the bomb save American lives, it also saved countless Japanese lives, since we didn't have to invade.  We had no reason to believe the Japanese would surrender, without a terrible fight, since it wasn't in their belief system.

The revisionists have no facts to back their assumptions they can only go by what they believe they would do, in this instance.  The shame is, since they don't go away, their view may end up winning, since so few people understand what really went on.

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The world is lucky we were first

I wonder if these morons think we're the only nation evil enough to use an atomic bomb.  If we had not been the first to develop this particular weapon, we very likely would have been the first to be victimized by it.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Gary Hall

"It appeared that Ken Burns dived so deep into the facts and the horrors
of WW II that he came to understand that the scope was so much larger
than the typical shallow thinking of the Brian Williams's of our day,
and learned that for himself, he could not possibly be in a position of
passing judgment on the decisions required during those days."

I watched a few of Burns's interviews also and couldn't agree more with you. As are any projects we might put our hearts and minds into deeply, the experience changes us at a core level--emotionally and psychologically.

I do not believe every person, e.g. Williams, has the ability to do what Burns does which is to completely immerse oneself in history or any other subject and explore what one finds there--regardless of how disturbing it may become or how much anxiety it produces--and see it through to the end. 

I gotta give Burns credit for that and Williams an "F".  

 

Sept. Williams is immersed..

Thanks September. Williams is immersed also.. in partisan politics and in pushing his views on his viewers. (;~>

On the event of Paul's

On the event of Paul's passing his son sent me an email.

Dad always after all those years had peace with himself , his God and the belief in his actions and now he is at rest.

May he rest in peace, but my biggest fear is some won't let him.

Not to worry, General

Not to worry, General Tibbets is with God now, and no one here can disturb his rest. I do sympathise with his family and friends and they can take comfort in the fact that there are many more of us who salute this hero than there are those who would diminish his accomplishments.

Someone, please, FedEx me the duct tape

These media idiots are going to make my head explode!

As are the revisionist historians.

One of the things on my agenda in the next year is to get to the Smithsonian to see the Enola Gay.

As I posted earlier, on the Open Thread, I have an 8 x 10 black & white photo of the Enola Gay, on Eiwok (I think), signed by BG Paul Tibbets.  The signature is "Paul Tibbets, Pilot".  It is one of my most cherished possessions.  I am looking at it as I'm posting this.

Men like Paul Tibbets and George Marshall were the LIONS of the last century. 

Brian Williams isn't fit to lick his heel.  I'm sorry everyone, but is time to seek and destroy these liberal lies....including the apologist revisionist history of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq!

Okay, I'll calm down now.

Godspeed, General Tibbets.  I thank you for my way of life.  Truly. 

And to you lying liars in the media....bugger off.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

As A Kid

Hey Blonde:

As a kid in the spring of 1967 I got to walk thru "Bock's Car", the second A-Bomb B-29, which was on display at Wright-Pat AFB in Dayton Ohio. At the time, they had only the fuselage in place (no wings) but it was still a humbling experience.

If you ever get a chance after going to the Smithsonian, also get up to Dayton.

Blonde, do you mean you

Blonde, do you mean you don't have any duct tape handy? Shame on you!

Me, I've resorted to keeping a roll on my computer desk, for just such occasions as this one..........

Olympic and Coronet

Because of Brig Gen Tibbets' mission, we didn't have to pull out Operation Olympic or Operation Coronet.

I wonder if Williams knows what the first order of business in Olympic would have been?

I know.  First order of business: prep the landing grounds.  By nerve gassing the beaches.

And he has the audacity to whine about the atomic bombing, and how Tibbets should feel remorse?   

May Tibbets rest in peace; I salute him, and his family.  If I had a flagpole with an American flag on it (I got the flag but no pole), I'd lower it to half-staff. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Brigadier General Paul Tibbets

A job well done, Sir.

Thank you for your service.

Oh come on. This was the

Oh come on. This was the plane that dropped the bomb that killed an unbelievable number of people. Asking if he had any remorse is a bad question?

To answer your inane question, Balboa,

YES.

Read up on Operations Olympic and Coronet and you tell me which is preferable.

If the Japanese didn't want that treatment, then they could have left Pearl Harbor alone.  They also did not have an exemplary record of dealing with civilians in the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". 

By the way, Balboa, have we heard the pilots of the Dresden, Hamburg, and Tokyo bombings given similar treatment?  No, because to a Leftist, the nuke represents all that is EVIL with the United States. 

"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." - from the Bhagavad Gita, quoted by J. Robert Oppenheimer at Trinity Site at 0530 MST, 16 July 1945, as the first atomic bomb went off 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I'm not saying that dropping

I'm not saying that dropping the bomb didn't help us win the war. I'm saying that asking a crew member of that plane whether they ever had any remorse is not a ridiculous question.  

What you are saying is still ludicrous

balboa, not every veteran is asked that question, and you know that.  Why aren't those who hit the beach at Normandy or fought at 73 Easting asked that same exact question, since they have to take part in actions that killed people?  That question is saved for those who dropped a nuclear weapon for the first time, because nukes are EVIL.

I chuckle at your "unbelievable number of people" comment.  You must be deeply horrified at the firebombing of Tokyo then.  That killed more people than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined, IIRC.  And again, all the Japanese needed to do was to leave Pearl Harbor alone.  But, since they didn't... 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Not every veteran was part

Not every veteran was part of a mission that singlehandedly, in one fell swoop, wiped out thousands of people. So of course it's a relevant question.

You really are an A$$

You really are an A$$ balboa.

Oh that's rational. I'm not

Oh that's rational. I'm not saying this guy didn't do a great service to our country, or that he's a bad person. All I'm saying is ASKING THE QUESTION about remorse is not some horrible thing. 

bal... How would you feel

bal...

How would you feel if he said he had no remorse whatsoever? 

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That's fine with me. I'm

That's fine with me. I'm interested in what he has to say about being such a huge part of history.

What he said, Bal

Was it was it was his duty, he had no remorse about doing his duty.

He saved countless American lives.

But I see you, as usual, are more concerned with the feelings of the enemy (at that time) than you are with saving the lives of our own.

Fine.

I cannot believe you're trolling on this thread.  Seriously.  

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

He has nothing else to say, anymore, Bal

He died today.

Your so-called interest doesn't fool a person here.

Go to the library.

Godspeed General Tibbets.  Thank you for my way of life.  And for being a man.  A hero to the American people.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

When there was an obvious

When there was an obvious deceptive intent in the question, an attempt to gain the tacit condemnation of using the bomb from one of those who dropped it, yes, asking the question is some horrible thing. It is an afront to history, to our nation, to our military, to the families of everyone who was involved in that war, and even to the Japanese.

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Bal: Will someone ask

Bal: Will someone ask Hillery Clinton whether she has remorse for being part of movement that degraded the AMerican fighting man upon his return from combat overseas?

Will someone ask Bill Clinton if he has remorse for removing two full divisions from the US force structure that we are now scrambling to make up for in order to provide his administration "A Peace Dividend?"

Will someone ask John Kerry if he has remorse for his actions upon returning from Vietnam and flasly testifying to US atrocities?

Will someone ask John Murtha if he has remorse for his recent comments claiming US troops were killing Iraqi's in Cold Blood?

WIll someone ask Barack Obama if he has remorse for his recent comments that we were "Air Raiding villages?"

It seems only the hero is asked for remorse....

No, Bal, it's not

Grow up.

Learn when to be appropriate.

You're showing your ass here. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

...something balboa never minds doing

...as long as he can take an ugly shot at those better than he.

Balboa,

Obviously you haven't heard about Dresden, Hamburg, or the Tokyo firebombings. 

Did you know, for instance, that in some of the bomb shelters in Hamburg, there were many thousands of dead women and children, who literally had the oxygen sucked out of their lungs as the firestorm caused by the bombing raged overhead?

Yet, no one is going to interview any of the vets of those bombings, are they?  

I know you have the burning need to be the apologist for every stupid question posed by a reporter or anchor, but this is a little over the top even for you.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Yes, Balboa, it is a stupid question

You and the revisionistas are just plain stupid.

It was GLOBAL WAR.

How would you have felt, being on a troop ship, having to INVADE Japan, where the expected casualties were about a half a million or more?  Would you have been happy not to have done that?

Quit being snarky and stupid.  This is a topic that doesn't deserve your usual level of inanity.

Why don't you just thank the good man for his contribution to peace?  Which is what he did. 

Done with you for tonight. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hi Blonde...

Have you ever been to a nice party; conversation is interesting, music playing softly in the background, dinner is about to be served...choice of prime rib or broiled salmon, and you are with someone you really like...

...and someone walks up and pukes in the punch bowl?

That someone would be...balboa.

m4

No, can't say as I have.

But it's a perfect metaphor, though.  Enough of the stupid distraction that's balboa.

Having said that, I am out for tonight.

So I'm pleased my final post is to you, as I know you & I share the same feelings about General Paul Tibbets. 

I don't know what they say in the Navy.  But I know you'll handle that.

The man was 92 years old and going strong up until a few months ago.  

A true hero. 

Thank you General.  For everything. Godspeed.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, to answer your question...

In the Navy we say:

May you have fair winds and following seas,
Let there always be a star to guide your vessel,
May no storms darken your horizons,
Let your compass be true and your course straight,
May your anchorages be secure, your anchor always hold,
And when night falls may your dreams be of home.
Your duty now fulfilled, may you rest in peace.

Actually, we only say the first line; I made up the rest but it is appropriate for this real man, this great patriot. Rest ye well, General Tibbets.

bal, you are in way, WAY over your head here.

If the bombs had not been used, the War against Japan would have dragged on for at least a couple more years.

Any idea how many Americans would have been killed?

Why should anyone show remorse for that? After all, Japan started it, not us.

You do understand that it's

You do understand that it's possible to feel remorse for doing something you know is right, right?

No.

If it right, how can one feel "remorse?"

You're kidding, right?

You're kidding, right? There's NEVER been an instance where someone knew they were doing the right thing but still were uneasy about the actual act? 

 

No, bal, I am not.

I have read several interviews of the man in the years since WW II.

To his eternal credit, has never once shown remorse for his actions that morning.

That's FINE. But it doesn't

That's FINE. But it doesn't mean Williams is wrong for asking the question. 

He certainly was, Bal.

As I said, there was a deceptive intent in that question, and he even tried to avoid letting Van Kirk deny it. Notice how he asks the question and then rushes forward with the next question as though there was agreement.

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Disliking the necessity of

Disliking the necessity of killing and feeling remorse for it are two very different things, Bal. You need to understand what the ulterior motive of that question was.

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OK, I see what you're

OK, I see what you're saying, but watching the video, I don't see ulterior motive. Williams says to Van Kirk that Van Kirk had just mentioned a photo that gets to him every time he sees it, which is a photo of a Japanese soldier returning home to the destroyed city. So Van Kirk obviously feels something about that mission, what it did to people. So Williams naturally follows up with the remorse question, which Van Kirk answers very well and distinguishes what he feels from remorse. 

I don't see anything wrong with that, and Van Kirk doesn't appear too, either. 

"Do you have remorse for

"Do you have remorse for what happened? How do you deal with that in your mind?" If you can't see the clear purpose behind those questions, it is only because you refuse to. The intent was to demonize that event, make it the great evil, when it truly spared both nations a much greater evil.

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"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to yo

bal

Bal  see my post to you  above. Remorse is regret for wrongdoing. I suspect you are just using the wrong word for your question.

You are wrong balboa

Gen. Tibbets had to know exactly what he was doing and precisely what the consequences of that action would be.  Only a fool would second guess efforts to expedite the end of the war in the Pacific.

Remorse is the feeling

Remorse is the feeling that, "If I had to do that again, I wouldn't do the same thing." Asking Van Kirk if he felt any remorse about dropping the bomb is just a roundabout way of asking him to declare that dropping it was the wrong thing to do. The fact that he answered swiftly and surely to the negative is yet another testament to his greatness. He knew it was the right thing to do, as did all of the other crewmen, and he refused to be lured in by that trap. There is no remorse to be felt over ending a war in the least bloody of manners, something leftists can't wrap their heads around. War is brutal, bloody, inhumane, and destructive: The choices in fighting one are how best to minimize those qualities, since eliminating them is impossible.

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Sure

LOL! Bill Clinton apologized for his sexual exploitation of a female subordinate while on the job and asking her to lie under oath about it. But only after he was caught.

"We've got to win, then", is what he said when asked if he wanted to admit his lie or try to cover it up.

That makes utterly no sense

A general definition of the word remore: deep and painful regret for wrongdoing; compunction

The key there is wrong doing!!!  Why would I feel remorse about something I KNOW is not wrong!! 

 

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Apparently remorse is the

Apparently remorse is the wrong term. I meant the feelings of pity that Van Kirk expressed, as well as the feeling that it's unfortunate to have to kill so many people in order to prevent even more killing.

Nevertheless, I don't think it's wrong for Williams to ask Van Kirk the question, given the context of their conversation.

Bal--

Remorse is regret for wrongdoing. He did no wrong; therefore he should have had no remorse. Did you mean , "I wonder if he regretted killing all those people?" Again a wrong question. I am sure he was saddened by the need to execute the assignment he was given.I am sure he was saddened by the loss of human lives. I am also sure he was a patriot and a true American.My Dad and brother were in the Pacific theater at the time of the use of the atom bomb. My brother was on Eniwetok in the Marshall Islands. My father was on the USS Quincy. They both came home, physically unharmed. As a young boy and even until today, I am grateful for what Paul Tibbetts did for us. I pray he never felt "remorse" for doing the right thing. And I am equally sure you meant no harm with your question.

My dictionary says...

..."deep regret or guilt for a wrong committed".

Thank God for the Enola Gay

A greater portion of my family is here today because of General Tibbets and the crew of the Enola Gay.

My 3 Uncles and several cousins were to be part of the invasion force for mainland Japan. Literal American deaths from that would have been at a minimum of 500,000 with three times the wounded.

In real numbers, that means 21 children would not be alive now in my cousins and I would not have had the survival lessons these men gave me which helped me attain a level of understanding of what the world is.
This means Miss America contestants, doctors etc... would not be here today with my family as it grows if General Tibbets had not done his job.

I can not thank him enough nor the entire crew of the Enola Gay.

What I will state next will probably upset some people, but the people who should be having their graves pissed on and not this American hero in Paul Tibbets are those morons from Harry Truman on down who either assassinated Patton or removed MacArthur in not allowing them to flatten the Soviets and Chicoms with atomic bombs.

Because these morons allowed jerks who grew up to antagonize General Tibbets, my family in turn got to bury dead in Vietnam and an Uncle with his leg shattered from a bullet.

There would not have been a Korea, a Vietnam, an Iraq, an Iran, no Islamofascists or Islamocommunists and no Chicoms nor Putins pointing nuclear missiles at America.

No idiot Jimmy Carter. No LBJ war on poverty costing trillions. No rapist Bill Clinton and none of this isolationist, heathen trash which defiles America.

I will apologize to the General and his family for going off on this day, but I hope he knew and his family will always know millions of Americans think the world of him and that crew for ending that war.
He should have been allowed though to put all the communist fires out.

God bless the General and his family. My sincerest appreciation for the great American hero he is and for their sharing him with the patriots.

Semper Fi

 

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Brian Williams...

I think the extent of most journilists military knowledge comes from watching 50 episodes of M*A*S*H.

Don't let the A holes rewrite history.

I probably wouldn't be here today had Brigadier General Paul Tibbets failed in his heroic mission along with unknown millions of others whose ancestors were destined to invade the Japanese Island.

God Bless and Godspeed General.

  Had we not forced the

  Had we not forced the Japanese to surrender and had they fought just as hard in their homeland as they did on their islands like Okinawa we would have had to kill millions and millions of Japanese.  We were going to win.  It was just a matter of how many people were going to be killed in the process.  They could have forced us to virtually wipe out the entire Japanese population.

Brian Williams

We all know what Brian thinks is important, he is hosting Saturday Night Live this weekend. He is very excited about it.

Able to thank Brigadier General Paul Tibbets

Years ago we lived in Gardnerville NV and heard the General would be in Reno; we were able to take our son (then about 7 years old) to meet him. We had to stand in a long line, but we all felt it was worth the wait. My son still treasures a photo he has of himself standing with the General.

maybe brian williams could've been dropped ...

in lieu of the a-bomb ... however, i doubt even the B-29 would have been able to handle the weight of williams' own ego

 

 

 

  It's really unfortunate

  It's really unfortunate that all of the great peacemakers are alive at one time.  We have carter, clinton, obama, edwards, pelosi, msm, in fact more peacemakers than can be listed here.  If only one of these peace giants had been alive during WWII so much destruction could have been avoided.  Any one of them could have talked to our enemies and ushered in an era of  mutual understanding, peace and cooperation.

I Don't Know If You Are Serious, But...

after "talking" with Adolf Hitler, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain while announcing the Munich Agreement on 30-Sep-1938  proclaimed "Peace for our time". The irony was that "Peace for our time" lasted less than a year!  

Just my $0.02

When Brian Williams is an

When Brian Williams is an old man and taking the measure of his life, I hope somebody reminds him that one of our nation’s heroes is lying in an unmarked grave because of the words of people like him.

He's not even in a grave.

He's not even in a grave. The Columbus Dispatch said that he is being cremated.

It Does Not Matter

What does matter is that there are people who disrespect a man and his crew doing their duty. Those very same people are also unwilling to acknowledge that many more lives were saved as a result of the dropping of the atomic bombs (See my comment below).

Just my $0.02

I know, what I'm saying is

I know, what I'm saying is that it's sad that he had to be cremated just because he didn't want to have a gravesite for people to go to and deface/protest.

Putting Things Into Perspective

Would atomic bombs been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki had the Japanese themselves not made a surprise attack on American military facilities in and around Pearl Harbor? Wouldn't thousands of people not died in the Pacific and Asia Theaters if the Japanese not attacked? Wouldn't many Chinese not died had Japan not attacked the Chinese mainland in 1931 (or whenever the exact date was). Who were the original aggressors in the Pacific/Asian region? What lessons did Allied military planners learn from Okinawa?

In answering these questions, one can and should conclude that using whatever weapons the Allies had at their disposal was both wise and appropriate. Why? The Japanese were the aggressors.  They sought to defeat the Americans and British militarily for their legitimate objections to Japanese Imperialism. Further the Japanese demonstrated that a conventional invasion of the Japanese main islands would mean fierce combat leading to many hundreds of thousands of deaths--not to mention the wounded--and very possibly the near extinction of the Japanese people. Even though President Truman agonized over whether or not to do it, in the end, the dropping of the atomic bombs may have been the better alternative for both the Allies and Japanese as many more lives were saved than would have been lost had the original invasion plans been followed instead.

Just my $0.02

Yes, it is sad

that this man felt the need to request no funeral or memorial headstone for his final good-bye and resting place.

I am grateful for what he did for our country, and will remember him in my heart. I will also remember to highlight the importance of his mission when it comes time to teach WWII to my children.

 

 

Hey Brian

I only regret that he had but one bomb to drop for our country.

Put that in your bong and toke it.

el-Rushbo quote

A few years back, on the August 6th anniversary of the bombing, Rush took a call from one of these left-wing we-shouldn't-have-nuked-the-poor-Japanese bleeding hearts. After listening to the idiot rant on about America's atrocities, Rush quietly said:

"When we dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two wonderful things happened:

  1. The greatest war in human history abruptly ended, and
  2. We won."

Thank you, General Tibbets. Rest in Peace.

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