Presuming Bush administration dissembling and illegality, NBC anchor Brian Williams considered it “big” news Thursday night that the administration “secretly authorized abusive interrogation techniques for terrorism suspects, including torture, despite denial from everyone from President Bush on down. And the policy remains even though the Supreme Court ruled against it.” Picking up on the front page New York Times disclosure of the classified documents, which neither the ABC nor CBS evening newscasts considered newsworthy, the NBC Nighty News ran a very slanted story that, other than one short soundbite from White House Press Secretary Dana Perino about how “they were safe, necessary and lawful, these techniques, and have helped save American lives,” aired only condemnatory comments as reporter Andrea Mitchell assumed the methods are torture.
She reminded viewers that “after a political firestorm, devastating pictures from Abu Ghraib and a Supreme Court ruling,” last year the President promised “the United States does not torture” and “I will not authorize it,” yet the New York Times reported that in 2005 the Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales issued memos “authorizing much harsher techniques, including head-slapping, waterboarding, frigid temperatures and 'combined effects' -- using several practices simultaneously, despite dissent on his staff. Today leading Democrats vowed to pass new laws.” Without any consideration for how the memos could have been written to allow the use of the techniques in only the most dire circumstances, and thus the techniques may not have been employed, Mitchell warned: “There's also a big impact on foreign policy. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has promised U.S. allies that the administration does not use torture, even though officials say she knew about the memos.”
MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann, not surprisingly, led with the topic and at the top of the next hour, 9pm EDT, MSNBC's Live with Dan Abrams began by re-playing Mitchell's report, a story Abrams set up while “More Lies?” was displayed on screen under a photo of President Bush.
An excerpt from the lead of the October 4 New York Times article, at the top of the front page, “Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations,” by Scott Shane, David Johnston and James Risen (Risen is the reporter who divulged the interception of overseas phone calls to suspected terrorists):
When the Justice Department publicly declared torture "abhorrent" in a legal opinion in December 2004, the Bush administration appeared to have abandoned its assertion of nearly unlimited presidential authority to order brutal interrogations.But soon after Alberto R. Gonzales's arrival as attorney general in February 2005, the Justice Department issued another opinion, this one in secret. It was a very different document, according to officials briefed on it, an expansive endorsement of the harshest interrogation techniques ever used by the Central Intelligence Agency.
The new opinion, the officials said, for the first time provided explicit authorization to barrage terror suspects with a combination of painful physical and psychological tactics, including head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures....
A transcript of the October 4 NBC Nightly News story, which followed the lead story on Senator Larry Craig's refusal to leave the Senate:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: One of the other big stories of this evening: New revelations, first reported by the New York Times, that the Bush administration secretly authorized abusive interrogation techniques for terrorism suspects, including torture, despite denial from everyone from President Bush on down. And the policy remains even though the Supreme Court ruled against it. Our chief foreign affairs correspondent, Andrea Mitchell, has more.
ANDREA MITCHELL: After a political firestorm, devastating pictures from Abu Ghraib and a Supreme Court ruling, last year the President made this promise:
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, SEPTEMBER 6, 2006: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values. I have not authorized it and I will not authorize it.
MITCHELL: But as first reported by the New York Times, a full year earlier, then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales approved two secret memos, specifically authorizing much harsher techniques,
including head-slapping, waterboarding, frigid temperatures and “combined effects” -- using several practices simultaneously, despite dissent on his staff. Today leading Democrats vowed to pass new laws.
SENATOR TED KENNEDY ON THE SENATE FLOOR: The White House overruled all those pesky officials who told them what they didn't want to hear, who told them that torture is wrong and illegal.
SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY: The President and those working with him are saying basically we're above the law. The law applies to everybody else. It doesn't apply to us.
MITCHELL: Two years ago John McCain, who was tortured in Vietnam, led Congress to outlaw the practices. Today the White House insisted it is not breaking that ban.
DANA PERINO, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: They were safe, necessary and lawful, these techniques, and have helped save American lives.
MITCHELL: But tonight McCain wants the White House to explain.
SENATOR JOHN McCAIN: We're going to make inquiries of the administration and find out whether any of the techniques such as waterboarding are still being employed. And if they are, we're going to have to act again.
MITCHELL: There's also a big impact on foreign policy. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has promised U.S. allies that the administration does not use torture, even though officials say she knew about the memos.
PHILIP ZELIKOW, FORMER STATE DEPT COUNSELOR: It has a corrosive effect because it seems that the ideals we stand for in the world are undermined by our practices and our policies.
MITCHELL: Tonight officials still say they don't torture prisoners, but others say it depends on what your definition of torture is. Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





ANDREA MITCHELL: After a political firestorm, devastating pictures from Abu Ghraib and a Supreme Court ruling, last year the President made this promise:
including head-slapping, waterboarding, frigid temperatures and “combined effects” -- using several practices simultaneously, despite dissent on his staff. Today leading Democrats vowed to pass new laws.
MITCHELL: There's also a big impact on foreign policy. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has promised U.S. allies that the administration does not use torture, even though officials say she knew about the memos. 









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}}---> Andrea Mitchell
October 5, 2007 - 02:46 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe instead of waterboarding terrorists we could send them to countries where interrogation techniques aren't even questioned.
Oh, I'm sorry, that was Bill Clinton's method of getting information. But Libs will never understand.
As long as they've paid Hannibal Lecter to get the info for them, Libs can keep up the appearance of being above the tawdry stuff.
Count on it, The methods remain but the argument disappears if the '08 innaugural is a performance of "The Nutcracker"
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Cool Arrow
October 6, 2007 - 12:51 ET by shawn228Oh, I'm sorry, that was Bill Clinton's method of getting information.
??????????
Unless it was a strange reference to Monica Lewinsky, could you please elaborate on that?
Someone had better be
October 5, 2007 - 03:14 ET by ConservativeRexSomeone had better be praying we are using at LEAST waterboarding to get information. NBC has lost so many viewers they have gone over the edge. They no longer care for consequences.
NBC is trying to sell our country down the drain. Take an objective view of how they act. They clearly do not have the best interest of the country at heart and it's demonstrable.
Well, there will come a time when what they espouse now will come back and haunt them, it always does.
}}---> NBC - Spit on a griddle
October 5, 2007 - 03:27 ET by Cool ArrowEver spit on a potbelly stove? It's like watching NBC turn deeper and deeper into itself crying out to their master: "But satan, I've served you! Why? Why?"
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Anyone have a list of their
October 5, 2007 - 09:18 ET by general companyAnyone have a list of their advertisers? I have been writing a lot of letters this week, may as well include them.
It's not Bush that is damaging our international image...
October 5, 2007 - 03:21 ET by i was just thinkingHere's what infuriates me about this kind of irresponsible "journalism".
These stories and images are broadcast around the world. Terrorist cells see them. Radical Islamic elements see them. These reports are virtual recruiting posters for new terrorists.
Journalists and Dems like to say that Bush is destroying our image around the world. How does this kind of "news reporting" help?!?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems to qualify at the very least as "aiding the enemy".
Nobody watches MSNBC and
October 5, 2007 - 04:23 ET by daveinbocaNobody watches MSNBC and CNBC will soon be demolished by the Fox Business network. A seriously deranged ultra-left nihilist named Zucker has hijacked the NBC network and dragged it leftward, so that empty-suit airheat Brian Williams has lost his first place in evening news to solid sensible Charlie Gibson---the leftist thrashing about and hysterics Williams is forced to utter will simply drag him down in the ratings to the sub-basement Dan Rather invented and dwelt in for over a decade of CBS News descending from top to dead bottom.
We all see in Dan Rather the demise of the Tiffany network. Brian Williams is presiding over the concomitant death of the Peacock network---Zucker will get rid of Jay Leno because of Jay's sensible humor & replace him with a witless moron named Conan O'Brien.
Jay should go to ABC & institute an evening humor show that will bury the charmless idiot Letterman and the unfunny O'Brien---simultaneously ending two worthless networks hold on any audiences other than CBS's strong prime-time list of shows.
If Jeff Immelt at GE would grow a pair and get rid of the obnoxious imbecile Zucker, perhaps NBC might have a chance in the ratings war.
Otherwise, good riddance to bad rubbish & the Peacock can go in the trash bin of failed networks like DuMont or other experiments.
Meanwhile Fox is thrashing its leftist rivals and demonstrating that infantile leftism is not a salable commodity among American adults.
Murdoch was actually at the very top of Vanity Fair's 100 Most Influential People---a magazine run by Graydon Carter, who looks alarmingly like the comedian who beat the bejeezus out of mentally-ill "comedian" Andy Dick. You know, the fellow in the devil suit on SNL who used to say, "Yeah, that's the ticket."
Maybe pretend impresario Carter from the pretend country of Canada might pretend he is a kingmaker and put Keith Olbermann on his 100 most influential list, upon which sits Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes and nary ONE NBC person---a sure sign the Peacock is on the Titanic of TV sinkings, to the very very bottom!!
Torture
October 5, 2007 - 04:47 ET by pocomocoOnce again, the MSM cry out “please, please, please don’t hurt those poor misunderstood terrorists who, if given the chance, would behead the lot of them.
Damn the FACTS, full speed
October 5, 2007 - 07:36 ET by hs29fanDamn the FACTS, full speed ahead!!!
Poor Liberal, he's educated beyond his intelligence.
Liberals = The end of Amercia
October 5, 2007 - 08:00 ET by Six String SpiffI do not understand how they can have more hatred towards their own President then the terrorists who want them all DEAD. Everything from the 'fairness' doctrine to gun control to defunding the military that protect them. It is completely assinine. The fact that the liberals have gone so far as to call our president a liar while he is PROTECTING THEM is absurd and infuriating. What were all the sissies saying when we got attacked? Who was crying the loudest? Who had a wake-up call to the fact that life in this country is taken for granted on a daily basis? That's all forgotten now. We were united for about 30 seconds, and then the DEMOCRATS began accusing the president of politicizing the war. All these whiney socialists who can't find anyhting better to do than complain about the very country they live in which happens to be the envy of the world. The proof of that is EVERYONE WANTS TO COME HERE. I am SICK and tired of these people continually berating this great country for trying to defend itself from radical islam that has declared war on us, but they conveniently ignore that don't they? Oh but they know the signs of a civil war though. They can explain to us whats going on in Iraq better than the people that are there...
The ANTI AMERICAN press in this country needs to be put on trial, convicted and executed. Divulging secrets that protect this country by people who make money off of damaging the administration should be punishable by death. Shameful! This country needs to wake up and understand that the MSM and socialists in Congress are just as much of a danger to us as islamofascism. Here we are trying to kill the bastards that have been killing us for YEARS, and theMSM wants to hold the door open for them and 'understand' them.
They want to take away our guns, and defund the military, but when the shit hits the fan, they hide behind the people who still have the weapons, don't they. That's ok liberals. You just keep watching PBS with my tax dollars, and we'll keep you safe on a daily basis from the people that would kill you FIRST. What is it going to take? Another 9/11? Worse? These socialists cant fathom hatred that the islamists have for us merely because we EXIST. If the politically correct, socialist, pacifist morons continue their march, the end of this great country is not far off.
The American Revolution Continued
we'll keep you
October 5, 2007 - 08:15 ET by Leonwe'll keep you safe
Spiff,
How are YOU personally keeping me safe?
Just curious. I didn't know you were in the military or the government.
Leonardo...Six Stings is keeping you safe, personally..
October 5, 2007 - 08:49 ET by JayTeebecause SIx Strings SUPPORTS THE TROOPS....better than Harry Reid...who is NOT keeping you safe...IF the War is LOST, WHOM did Harry Reid surrender to ?
Losing a war, doesn't make you Safe..
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
Is that all you've got, Leon?
October 5, 2007 - 10:52 ET by Six String Spiff...taking a break for a second finally..
Leon, is that all you have to say about my rant? hmm.. Not surprising seeing as those are all facts.
We = Me, and every other Patriotic, Freedom loving, HONEST (key), and rational individuals. Unlike YOU. Who would rather sit down and talk with the murderers, and reconcile somehow with them. The politically correct on steroids. Clear?
The American Revolution Continued
I don't get it
October 6, 2007 - 12:40 ET by cleverpigWhy do you guys insist on becoming what you hate? The fact that someone murders does not make everything up to and including murder okay as a response. If you love this country, and the ideals that it stands for, then don't let terrorists change it. Humane treatment of prisoners, due process, these used to be things that separated us from regimes like Burma's. Sure, we're not as bad as a third world dictatorship now, but do you really want to narrow that gap even a little? It's a principle, not a matter of degree.
I think that ensuring that we treat prisoners well is a way of protecting our own troops. Maybe it doesn't matter to an Iraqi insurgent who gets his hands on an American soldier, but it might matter to any one of the countries who currently have citizens held at Guantanamo Bay.
devastating pictures from Abu Ghraib ? ? ? really....
October 5, 2007 - 08:05 ET by JayTeeWhere are those "devastating pictures from Abu Ghraib"...I kept looking for them, and they never showed....You would think if they were Soooo devastating the MSM would show them again, over and over....
I'd like to compare the Abu Ghraib "DoG" pictures to ...uh...say..Michael Vics Dog pictures...see which set is more "devastating"
If Andrea left the USA and went to North Korea, she would vastly improve the average IQ in both countries.
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
}}---> Abu Ghraib
October 5, 2007 - 08:26 ET by Cool ArrowI found them devastating. I couldn't believe the depravity of the individuals who engaged in, chronicled in pictures, and revelled in, the shameful treatment of prisoners of war.
It said to the entire world: "Americans like to play with their unarmed captives"
I don't think Abu Ghraib in any way reflects well on America except that it was investigated and the obviously guilty were incarcerated.
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Harsher Than...
October 5, 2007 - 08:33 ET by taterWhat's harsher...what's being described as torture to the terrorists or flying planes into a buildings or beheading or blowing up someone who doesn't believe what you believe.
Do you really think that
October 6, 2007 - 17:02 ET by cleverpigDo you really think that anything we do is okay as long as it is less bad than blowing up airplanes?
...aaaand, ladies and gents, for your liberal pleasure
October 6, 2007 - 23:37 ET by RJnotsocleverpig gives us that old favorite of the left.......moral equivalence!
well cleverpig
October 6, 2007 - 23:39 ET by botgif it prevents further blowing up of airplanes; what say you?
Support our Troops
Nope. You have to find
October 7, 2007 - 13:43 ET by cleverpigNope. You have to find another way. To my mind protecting this country is about more than just protecting borders and military objectives. It is more than security. It is about protecting the things that make this country worthy of patriotism and loyalty. Otherwise you may as well just pick any old country to pledge your loyalty to. I think we have something special here in the US that no other country on earth has, and I'm not planning on letting anyone erode those differences in the name of fear.
nice idealism
October 7, 2007 - 16:57 ET by botgcan't trust you to protect the children of the country, but i salute your ideal. The problem i see is that you enable the truly evil in the world; you would do well to celebrate diversity and realize that there are subset groups in the world who need to be addressed in their 'language'
Support our Troops
Frozen spike...OK, I'll go with "Shameful Treatment"
October 5, 2007 - 08:46 ET by JayTeeBut don't give me no "Torture" Baloney associated with Abu Ghraib and company.
Those Security guys hanging from the bridge, there we have Pictures of real Torture...which is why we don't see Abu Ghraib pics....there is NO comparison to what followed as defined asTorture...
Making naked Pyramids is not Torture......Go to a College Football Game, watch the cheerleaders make a Pyramid....now that's Torture for College males observing the Pyramid from the field side of things....Testosterone ratings thru the roof.....
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
NBC
October 5, 2007 - 09:24 ET by Sergeant ROCKHas anyone told NBC that Bush isn't running in 2008?
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Do they care?
October 5, 2007 - 11:16 ET by CortillaenHe exists, therefor they hate him. They'll shift their smear machine more fully to the Republican front-runner as we move towards election time, but I suspect they'll be blaming Bush for everything up until and after the election. Unless, of course, another Republican wins, in which case both Presidents get to share the blame, something unthinkable if Hillary were to win.
Personally, I'd like to see the intelligence community having more "tools" for extracting information from people who want us all dead, but then I'm concerned with preserving the US, an unforgivable sin these days.
http://www.rhjunior.... Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
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Bush in 2008
October 5, 2007 - 11:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKWell, it's had a profound effect on me. I refuse to vote for Bush in 2008!
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S Rock... ROFL.... I
October 5, 2007 - 16:40 ET by bigtimerS Rock...
ROFL....
I join your sentiments.
"Tonight officials still
October 5, 2007 - 16:32 ET by ckc1227"Tonight officials still say they don't torture prisoners, but others say it depends on what your definition of torture is."
And that's the problem. To folks like Andrea, serving cold soup is torture.
I'm tired of these whining
October 5, 2007 - 16:53 ET by bigtimerI'm tired of these whining leftists who would not be here to spew their socialist tripe on us every single hour if it wasn't for whatever we have had or will ever have to do to PROTECT us in this country...let alone have a USA...they would not understand or begin to know what real torture is...of course we have some RINO's as far as I am concerned who bow to the PC side of this BS too...all for votes.
They all make me way past furious...
I wished we could deport some of these people who are treasonous as far as I am concerned, their hatred for the conservative party and Pres. Bush outweighs our safety...let alone their own.
Of course they think they are special to the terrorists/enemies, that nothing will happen to them because after all they are on the same side...same agenda....POWER.
Despicable.
bt
October 6, 2007 - 12:54 ET by shawn228This is the United States of America. Freedom of speech is right of every American. The Liberals have a right to voice their POV just like all of us on NB are allowed to express our POV.
POV
October 6, 2007 - 12:59 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe obvious difference being that POV presented here is 'opinion', whereas POV presented by the MSM is 'news' or 'fact'. Check that - BIG difference.
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SR
October 6, 2007 - 13:01 ET by shawn228bt said, "whining leftist". That could pretty much covers every liberal.
Torture?
October 6, 2007 - 12:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnd yet, the MSM cannot find ONE disparaging to say about those that seek our destruction. Hmm.. I wonder who's side they're on??
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