The “Scrapbook” section in next week's (September 10 cover date) Weekly Standard magazine excoriates actor Tim Robbins for charging, on last week's (August 24) Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, that, referring to Iraq, “we've killed over 400,000 of their citizens.” The un-bylined article commented: “He's wrong, of course. American soldiers have not been slaughtering 300 Iraqis a day for the last four years. Even for one of Hollywood's most feculent personalities, this is an appalling slander of U.S. troops.” Citing the Iraq Body Count Web site, the magazine pointed out that “the antiwar group's 'maximum count'” of “'civilian deaths caused by coalition military action and by military or paramilitary responses to the coalition presence (e.g. insurgent and terrorist attacks)'” as well as “'excess civilian deaths caused by criminal action resulting from the breakdown in law and order which followed the coalition invasion,'” stands at 77,555, “one-fifth the number concocted by Robbins's overactive imagination.”
The DrudgeReport on Friday night highlighted the Weekly Standard item headlined, “Hollywood Hates the Troops,” which also noted how movie director Brian DePalma's new film, Redacted, “is based on the story of a brutal rape and murder of a young Iraqi girl and the killing of her family at the hands of four American soldiers. Sgt. Paul Cortez, who has admitted his role in the attack, was sentenced earlier this year to 100 years in prison. Most Americans who read about this brutal crime probably understood that most soldiers don't behave this way. DePalma does not. 'The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people,' he said last week.”
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center




















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Robbins? Facts?
September 1, 2007 - 01:27 ET by BeukeboomWhen have facts ever gotten in the way of a good bashing of America/Bush/U.S. Military/etc. by extreme liberals like Robbins, Sarandon, Moore, Sheehan, Air America and similar folks? Facts for them are mere nuisances to be swatted away like a pesky mosquito.
He's confused over what
September 1, 2007 - 03:45 ET by Andrew H.He's confused over what Sadam did and the succesful fight for freedom. They can't stand the idea our military would be successful and actually liberate anyone.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Right. We're the bad
September 1, 2007 - 01:29 ET by Felicity RandRight. We're the bad guys.
Robbins and DePalma have lived in the fictional world of pretend/make your own reality for too too long.
This would be a bit funny IF WE WEREN'T FIGHTING AN ENEMY WHO WANTS US ALL DEAD!
Funny, Robbins didn't seem too concerned about the Iraqis when Saddam was in power.
To quote Christopher Hitchens: The Left aren't anti-war--they're just anti-war when the US is fighting.
These two will never ever see a dime of my money.
liberal math explained
September 1, 2007 - 01:44 ET by lunaticcringeradioyou take the actual number of some topic you are against and conversely add more to it to until it equals your dislike of it, if you are for the topic you inversely subtract the number by the ammount you love the subject, the effect of this is to push you agena further in a media spotlight that will not hold you accountable for the topic you have no authority to comment on but instead they kiss your liberal math slinging ass because your mom is susan surandon.
sorry my math must be off cause she looks about 120 years old. isn't she timmys mom.
lunaticcringeradio
Yes, I have seen this "new"
September 1, 2007 - 06:35 ET by winston smithYes, I have seen this "new" math used extensively on shows like Today, Countdown and The Early Show. There is a scientific term for this kind of math. It's called ----- LYING.
reply
September 1, 2007 - 10:42 ET by BacchusThere is a scientific term for this kind of math. It's called ----- LYING.
Isn't that the scientific term for all liberal talking points? Doh!
There could still be an investigation in congress to determine if it isn't a number higher than 400,000. These days, the announcement of a senate investigation carries more weight than the actual investigation.
Oh Please Bacchus
September 1, 2007 - 10:42 ET byYou well know it's not the validity of the investigation but the seriousness of the charge that truly matters. Don't be sooo obtuse.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
lunatic -
September 1, 2007 - 11:46 ET by drillanwryou take the actual number of some topic you are against and conversely add more to it to until it equals your dislike of it,
That's more spot-on than you know.
Someone refresh my Swiss Cheese memory? A year or two ago a group (British I believe) did a census of deaths over in Iraq by going door to door and asking if anyone in the household/family had been killed since the US invasion ... Well, while getting some actual number accounts, the survey group wasn't satisfied, and decided there were probably way more that fell through the cracks as a result of displaced people and folks family had not heard anything from for a couple years ... That those folks were probably dead ... So, what did the group do? Plugged this mystical number pulled out of their butts into the equation and came up with the result of somewhere around 600,000 killed.
Shortly after the release of the figure by this group, the number was completely disproven, and shown for it's fictional math. But the MSM who eagerly reported the group's figures via broadcast and print DID NOT report the unscientific faultiness of their study ...
Sort of reminds one of Global Warming, eh?
Film is politics by other means
September 1, 2007 - 01:54 ET by KC MulvilleDePalma gives himself away.
In other words, he was delighted to find a vehicle for his political message. He took a tragic crime and turned it into his political wheelbarrow. It’s the ultimate exploitation. Then, he adds the hubris of the liberal ‘artist’ who believes that the reason we support the war is that we just don’t understand. Does he really think we’re playing video games?
Essentially, he wants his pictures to trump any argument of reason. He doesn’t want you to reason. He wants you to feel. He wants you to be horrified by the fiction he creates and stages for you. Don’t use reason; be horrified by the picture. He skips the fact that this brutal crime was, in fact, punished. He skips the fact that the vast majority of soldiers are honorable young men, doing a terrific job under horrible circumstances. He skips the fact that withdrawing from Iraq will unleash sectarian rape and murder on a catastrophic scale. In his pursuit of his higher truth, he’s willing to exploit the victims and manipulate the audience with as much brutality as he can manufacture.
If Clausewitz was alive today, he’d say, “Film is politics by other means.”
He skips the fact that the
September 1, 2007 - 06:43 ET by motherbeltHe skips the fact that the vast majority of soldiers are honorable
young men, doing a terrific job under horrible circumstances. -KC Mulville
That he does, because that doesn't make good propaganda. Better we should believe that all our soldiers are sadistic bastards out to have a good time raping and pillaging.
These were FIVE soldiers, out of how many thousands who are there? Oh, but these five make "a story." They have been punished, with sentences of life, and 100 years, but that's not enough for dePalma. He has to make sure that this story stays front and center; that this is the face of the US military.
Then, he adds the hubris of the liberal ‘artist’ who believes that the reason we support the war is that we just don’t understand. -
KC Mulville
And KC, that's not just the liberal "artist", it's all liberals; they think everyone who doesn't agree with their line of thinking just doesn't understand. You know, like they do, in their vast wisdom.
Just don't understand
September 1, 2007 - 07:45 ET by KC MulvilleYeah. It was funny. Almost every liberal or Democrat who ran for office in 2006 claimed to "have a plan" for bringing the troops home from Iraq. It didn't matter whether they were running for the senate or the school board ... they all had a plan. They were going to being the troops home in stages, as if the reason the soldiers were stuck over there was that they didn't have enough room on the transports. It was a matter of logistics, I guess. Or maybe they pictured the soldiers wandering aimlessly on the battlefield, mumbling to themselves, "so, how do we get out of here?" each trying to find the highway marker sign that pointed to [USA 10,000 miles].
There you go again
September 1, 2007 - 08:50 ET by iveseenitallAs Ron would have said, "There you go again, Robbins". Reagan had it right, just mock the ignoramuses. But never forget what a threat they are to you and your family.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
If you make a movie and it
September 1, 2007 - 13:54 ET by ahusserIf you make a movie and it has a political agenda with a strong bias then it is not entertainment but propaganda. As I posted last week some of these actors are very good ACTORS and I used to enjoy their movies but they have opened their stupid pieholes and now they are left wing hacks with a political agenda. I don't know why they think that mere celebrityhood gives them the right to tell us what is right and/or makes them saavy and smart enough to be political strategists and pundits. They are only professional and knowledgeable when it comes to their craft which is entertainment. There is a 99% chance that any entertainer is a lefty. I already know your politics so shut the f**k up.
"The movie is an attempt to
September 1, 2007 - 10:11 ET by Trix Rabbit"The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people." Right.
DePalma is no stranger to the ugliest of exploitation films. In 1983 it was Scarface. In 1987 it was the historically inaccurate The Untouchables.
In 1989 he made a similar rape story, the dreadfully stupid Casualties of War with everybody's favorite hollywoodenhead skunk, Sean Penn. Hollywood just loves to exploit tragedies at the expense of the victim's dignity.
But honestly, the bottom line in Hollywood has never been about light and truth, but about box office receipts.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
I believe the real
September 1, 2007 - 14:05 ET by ahusserI believe the real "reality" is that we are actually winning the war, that we are helping the Iraqi people, that the Iraqi's are, in general better off than under Saadam Hussein that the war has stayed in Iraq rather than here. So that is the ticket just like the war we fought in Vietnam snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Personally I believe that President Bush made a political mistake by invading Iraq, not a strategic or moral one. But we are there and we should keep our word and finish the job and stop destroying the morale of our soldiers. We have the reputation that everytime the going gets tough we, as a nation run, away. Why would any nation take our word or be our ally if we are seen as being defeatist?
When I read about the
September 1, 2007 - 11:58 ET by drillanwrWhen I read about the Mahmudiyah incident in Iraq 2006 - five US soldiers raped a local girl, killed her and her family and later tried to disguise it as an insurgent attack - I knew I had a story.
Apparently Mr. DePalma did not have a worthy story in The Death of Theo van Gogh ... the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, and others ... or the stories of Iraqis who were held hostage, tortured, and murdered in their own villages and towns by AQI and other interloping terrorists. No, their stories aren't worth his precious liberal/socialist/fascist time ...
People like Robbins and DePalma need probed by Aliens ...
Are the Tim Robbins, Bill Mahers and Brian DePalmas fearless?
September 1, 2007 - 08:44 ET by CTDoes it ever occur to them that the 'brutal rapists and murderers' they slander are returning to America in the tens of thousands all the time? This latest attack on the American Troops lays open the lie that 'we support the troop, but hate the war' BS that turns stomachs every time it is uttered. What makes these lowlife Hollywood scum so fearless of what they believe are returning brutal murderers?
A CBS Sixty Minutes
September 1, 2007 - 08:46 ET by mikejA CBS Sixty Minutes interview between Leslie Stahl and U.S.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, on 12 May 1996
Leslie Stahl: "We have heard that a* half million children have
died* (as a result of sanctions against Iraq). I mean, that is more
children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"
Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the
price, *we think the price is worth it."
Now, I may be wrong, but were the Hollywood liberals upset when Iraqi children were dying to the tune of half of a million because of sanctions placed on the country?
“Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.”
Mikej - 1/2 million children died
September 1, 2007 - 13:30 ET by Gary HallMikej - 1/2 million children died during the 1990's - well, by 1996. Probably more between then and Jan 21, 2001, I'd suspect. Even by Robbins poor math, things in Iraq have indeed improved.
I was about to post this comment - but looked to see if anyone else had made the connection. Thanks.
A couple of thoughts on this. The cry amongst the activist far left during the Clinton era here in the US and abroad was a call to end the sanctions. The far left was quite put off by Bill Clinton, in the moment. The mainstream media kept mostly out of the news here - as there bottom line is in protecting Democrats, first.
The anger is immense for a president, this president, who has reduced the number of deaths in Iraq, and answered the call to put an end to the reign of he madman Saddam (easily responsible for the deaths of 2 million people). In the MSM, the anger is rather immense in the view that this same president has not done enough to stop the ongoing genocide in the Sudan - where, in fact, he has been the standout world leader.
And where was anger over Bill Clinton for being, at best, complacent in Rwanda (800,000 died), Afghanistan (Taliban take over 60,000 died); Sierra Leone (50,000 killed); and the DR Congo were millions were dying in the late 90's.
Defining the left:
During the Clinton era - "End the Sanctions."
During the Bush era - "The Sanctions are Working."
Robbins
September 1, 2007 - 09:09 ET by pbthinkerThese people get away with this stuff because no one is there to call them on their accusations. How many people watch these shows and believe the statement is fact? Far too many, in my opinion.
If it weren't for the internet, this would be the only side of the story we would see, day in and day out. The only network, willing to expose these phoneys, is Fox, which is why the Liberals hate them so much. They used to be able to get their lies out there and never be questioned now, at least, there are a few voices in the wilderness.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
This is what is most
September 1, 2007 - 10:23 ET by SMGalbraithThis is another example of what is most disturbing to me about the Left (and, of course, I am painting with a broad brush).
I'm quite sure that Robbins saw or read somewhere this 400,000 figure. But I'm also quite sure that he has seen many many reports of much lower figures.
He chose, hower, the highest number.
Why?
If you have, say, 100 reports claiming that between 30,000 and 50,000 Iraqis have been killed and one report claming 400,000 civilian deaths, why would you choose the highest number? The one that makes the US look the worst?
There's a pattern here as this example is just one of innumerable other claims by those on the Left on a wide range of topics. We've all seen them.
So we ask: Why does the Left (broad brush, mind you) seemingly always take the worse reports about America? The worst claims? No matter the source, no matter the absurdity of the claim?
And run with them? Gleefully.
Not just about Iraq. Any issue. Poverty numbers, crime statistics, the uninsured healthcare issue, and on and on and on... If it makes the country look bad, they'll promote it.
As Lenin said, the worst the better. Might be an apt slogan for the Left when talking about reports about American sins (secular ones, of course).
For folks who adamantly claim that they don't hate America, they sure have a strange way of talking about her.
SMG
Robbins fabricates data
September 1, 2007 - 11:04 ET by Galvanic"I'm quite sure that Robbins saw or read somewhere this 400,000 figure. But I'm also quite sure that he has seen many many reports of much lower figures."
I'm not so sure. Even activists normally cite their source in order to establish some credible basis to their argument. Robbins was merely throwing out a number as if his mere utterance of it was credibility enough, and he got away with it. Like manny of the so-called actor/activists, they tend to be week on facts and sources of facts, and enamored with the force of their own celebrity.
I mentioned this on the
September 1, 2007 - 09:19 ET by msh1973I mentioned this on the open thread yesterday.
The Hollywood left has gone completely mad with their hatred and venom. DePalma actually thinks his film will cause an outcry from the American people who will in turn get Congress to end the war.
Tim Robbins
September 1, 2007 - 11:25 ET by neighbI personally would rather see this headline:
U.S. SOLDIERS SLAUGHTER 400,000 MEMBERS OF HOLLYWOOD ELITE!!
neighb
Now you're...talking? or
September 1, 2007 - 12:36 ET by balboaNow you're...talking? or ranting, actually. Not really talking, more ranting and raving like a lunatic.
Lunatic??
September 1, 2007 - 19:51 ET by neighbTrust me Rocky....I am quite sane. Unlike people who think that Tim Robbins even has acting ability, let alone any knowledge of foreign policy. If you support this yahoo, you should be embarassed.
neighb
Basking Robbins & Company
September 1, 2007 - 11:33 ET by Lame CherryUnless you have been among the ilk of the basking Robbins and company, you never realize the 2 degrees of seperation that is among them........degree one elitist hatred for lessers than them and degree two drug induced psychopathies of guilt soothed by no connection with reality.
If one pulls the thread of Robbins and Sarandon....out will pop Vidal Gore and chipping along comes Martin Sheen........out pops Tom Hanks.......Meathead Reiner.....and then one gets to even their toe jam of Rosie, Whoopie and Tom Arnold.
Robbins is like the pretender Spielberg in the billionaire mode. They toss in a few elites like Gore and Charlie Rose to show they have thinking minds and then sit around in their Potimkin Village sipping gin trading on the "gossip they heard from Charlie Sheen, Elvis Costello and Sean Penn" in some "facts" George Soros funded for Capital Hill Blue and Huffington that now Alec Baldwin, Bill Maher and that other great thinking George Clooney are now speaking of.
Most people here have made the mistake of being drunk a few times and remember how all those "great ideas were great" until you sobbered up.......but Robbins and company are drinking at these gatherings making ideas like 400,000 dead and never check to see THAT EVERY NATION OF ANY SIZE WILL HAVE 400,000 DEAD IN A 5 YEAR CYCLE BECAUSE OLD PEOPLE AND SICK PEOPLE DIE ALL THE TIME.
Drunk ideas for Robbins sound good even when he sobbers up, because he is not bright enough to figure out that old people die in Iraq, sick people die in Iraq, children are born dead in Iraq as that is what happens in every nation in the natural cycle of life.
Mexico has 25 dead babies for every 1000 born. The Northeast region of the United States almost had 500,000 dead last year. Those are just a few facts........gee and over 6 million aborticide children alone. If one just bothers to look at death rates IRAQ IN A 5 YEAR AMERICAN ASSOCIATION HAS LESS PEOPLE DEAD ON AVERAGE COMPARED TO OTHER NATIONS.
I hope somebody slaps Tim Robbins and that man he is with Susan Sarandon with something beyond what stone head Charlie Sheen or burning Ann Coulter dolls Sean Penn are mumbling about.
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These actors/activists have
September 1, 2007 - 11:53 ET by rbosqueThese actors/activists have no professional or informed opinions...so why does the MSM put them in front of a cameras? He and other like-minded fools should be in jail for pandering to our enemies and for attempting to destroy morale among our troops during this war. If he is so concerned for innocent human life, he would be marching AGAINST abortion mills not supporting them. This is just a political stunt by the MSM to give him air-time. Robbins is a despicable human.
Liberal actors
September 1, 2007 - 12:20 ET by LionKingIan McKellen has admitted to his particular brand of activism...he tears pages out of the Bibles in hotel rooms...the pages that deal with homosexuality.
Typical liberals...they are only interested in the parts of the Bible that does not interfere with their lifestyles and sins.
Don't you just love the
September 1, 2007 - 17:31 ET by drillanwrDon't you just love the liner under his mug?
TIM ROBBINS
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ACTOR/ACTIVIST
As if that is some almighty qualification for us to heed his (their) personal OPINIONS ... "ACTIVIST" ... O-o-o-o-o!!!! Do they get some sort of card or badge for that?
Hey, Tim ... You're against the war and this Presidential Administration ... SO WHAT??!! I really don't give two craps.
P.S.
September 1, 2007 - 17:58 ET by drillanwrJust one day I wish someone would (to Robbins or Rosie, et al ... whoever) the next time one of them quotes some number like "We've killed over 400,000" ... I wish someone would loudly retort back to them "And we won't be done until we kill over 400,000 MORE!!! <insert Howard Dean scream here>"
Their reaction would be priceless.
Robbins is really missing
September 1, 2007 - 18:20 ET by ckc1227Robbins is really missing the good news in that 400,000 figure. See, according to Rosie, it was over 600,000 killed by our troops. And, if I had to guess, I'd say they both get their information from the same bogus site. Sooo, what that means is, somehow, over 200,000 previously dead, killed-by-Americans Iraqis were made living again, probably by Al Quada, because everyone knows the American health care system isn't that good, not to mention America is so mean and all.
Actually, wasn't the number over 600,000, like, a year and a half ago? Surely we've cracked the million killed mark by now. Maybe Tim or Rosie will chime in and let us know, as they surely know the facts better than anyone else, and would never inflate the numbers in an attempt to mislead the gullible masses.
I await in anticipation for one of those two braniacs to set us all straight on this issue.
The only way Hollywood is going to understand the war on terror
September 1, 2007 - 22:09 ET by Johnnye BThe only way Hollywood is going to understand the war on terror is when the terrorist blows up the Hollywood sign. Then you will see them on the news weeping and crying saying "This is our 9/11. I can't believe any one would do this to us. No one in the world has no idea what we are going though. Life has come to an end as we know it. Its George Bush's fault. The Hollywood sign would still be here if he had stayed out of Iraq. Where is the military when you need them?"
That pretty much sums up the substances that Hollywood is made of.
Of course that doesn't include Pat Dollard, Dennis Miller and a few others.
Who the &$%# is Tim Robbins?
September 2, 2007 - 08:21 ET by c5thenAnd why does his uninformed opinion count for any more than Moonbat Sheehan or Moonbat-queen O'Donnell?
Moonbat Robbins thinks that US troops have killed 400,000 Iraqis and Moonbat O'Donnell thinks that fire can't melt steel. All these twits live in their own little bizzarro world that is totaly divorced from reality. The ONLY place on earth that they could live and work and actually function as part of the community is in "Hollywood".
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic