In a “Web-exclusive” commentary posted Thursday, Newsweek Senior Editor Michael Hirsh ridiculed President George W. Bush's warning that a precipitous pull-out from Iraq could lead to the humanitarian horrors that followed the American pull-out from Vietnam. Recalling a trip he made to Vietnam in 1991, Hirsh reported that he found a nation looking to the West and capitalism, adding that “today Vietnam remains” only “nominally communist.” He then snidely asserted: “This was the 'harsh' aftermath that George W. Bush attempted to describe this week when he warned against pulling out of Iraq as we did in Vietnam.” James Taranto, in his Friday “Best of the Web Today” posting for OpinionJournal.com, asked: “Could that last sentence be any more disingenuous? To Hirsh, the 'aftermath' of America's withdrawal from Vietnam didn't begin until 1991, more than 16 years after Saigon fell. About events between 1975 and 1991, he has only this to say: 'Yes, a lot of Vietnamese boat people died on the high seas; but many others have returned to visit in the ensuing years.'”
To that, Taranto astutely observed: “Never mind Vietnam's and Laos's 're-education' camps; never mind Cambodia's killing fields. It is as if one visited West Germany in 1960, found a prosperous democracy, and reached positive conclusions about the 'aftermath' of Nazi rule. It misses the point by a light-year.”
Indeed, Hirsh's blind-spot reflects that apparently prevalent in the mainstream media in the 1970s. My August 23 NB posting, “Flashback: 'The Unnewsworthy Holocaust: TV News and Terror in Cambodia,'” recounted a study which documented how from 1975 to 1978 the three broadcast network evening newscasts, as well as the New York Times and Washington Post, virtually ignored the ongoing massacre by the Khmer Rouge: “Over the four-year period of the Khmer Rouge rule, the three networks devoted less than sixty minutes on weeknights to the human rights situation in Cambodia. That averaged out to less than thirty seconds per month per network.”
Hirsh also couldn't resist getting in a cheap shot about how Bush's remarks “were an abuse of historical fact -- no surprise, perhaps, coming from a president who is just now catching up with the Political Science 101 reading he shrugged off at Yale.”
An excerpt from the top of Michael Hirsh's August 23 “Web-exclusive” posting on MSNBC.com, “Why America's Pullout from Vietnam Worked: The truth behind Bush's mangling of Cold War history,” and yes, it had some long paragraphs:
The Soviet Union was in its final days of existence when I visited Vietnam in late December of 1991. The cold war was about to end forever with the collapse of one of the two adversaries that had kept it going for 40-odd years. A lot had changed in Vietnam, too, I discovered during my trip. The coziness between Moscow and Hanoi, once comrades within the Soviet bloc, had curdled into mutual hatred. Throughout the country, but especially in the North, the Vietnamese had come to despise the large resident Russian population for its cheap spending habits and arrogance. Visiting Americans, by contrast, were welcomed with smiles (“Russians with dollars,” we were called.) On the day I visited the old U.S. Embassy in Saigon -- where some of those iconic photos symbolizing American defeat were taken -- I discovered government workmen removing a plaque that once commemorated the North’s victory over the “U.S. imperialists.” In the waning days of that epochal year, 1991, the propaganda against American involvement in Southeast Asia was suddenly no longer politically correct. Hanoi’s new message: Yankee Come Back (and bring your investment dollars). Today Vietnam remains nominally communist, but Hanoi knows it is an ideological relic surrounded by Asian capitalist tigers, all of them U.S. allies or dependents (one reason Vietnam was so eager to have Bush visit last November: it wants to be part of that club). The cold war dominoes did fall -- but the opposite way.This was the “harsh” aftermath that George W. Bush attempted to describe this week when he warned against pulling out of Iraq as we did in Vietnam. His remarks to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Kansas City on Wednesday were an abuse of historical fact-- no surprise, perhaps, coming from a president who is just now catching up with the Political Science 101 reading he shrugged off at Yale. Yes, a lot of Vietnamese boat people died on the high seas; but many others have returned to visit in the ensuing years. Above all, we have learned that Vietnam and Southeast Asia were never really central fronts in the cold war (although Korea at the time of the outbreak of war in 1950, when Beijing still kowtowed to Moscow and before the Soviet Union and China split, might have fit that bill). The decision to pull out had very little effect on the ultimate outcome. America triumphed in the cold war because it had the right kind of economy -- an open one -- compared to Moscow and Beijing, and its ideas about freedom were more attractive to the states within the Soviet bloc than their own failed ideas were....
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center




















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Hirsh
August 26, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Felicity RandTo use a quote from Ann Coulter (I couldn't find the exact quote):
"For liberals, history begins today."
Boy, Hirsh is a good example of that!
I guess we're supposed to
August 26, 2007 - 17:04 ET by motherbeltI guess we're supposed to think, well, by 1991, things were pretty good, so our leaving didn't matter. Tell that to the boat people and the survivors of the "re-education" camps and the Killing Fields....you know, the ones who had to live through the rest of the 70's and the 80's to get to that glorious year.
Perhaps he would understand
August 27, 2007 - 10:22 ET by BDPerhaps he would understand it better if:
During the late 1970's everyone with a "d" after their name in politics was either taken out and executed, or sent to a "camp."
All Native Americans have their reservations wiped out and their population reduced by 90%.
All Hispanics were rounded up and either executed or performed a trail of tears like march to Canada.
Perhaps then he would understand tha magnitude of the destruction of the mantagnard culture, the elimination of everyone but communists, and the destruction of the Cambodes, Nungs, etc.
Killing Fields
August 26, 2007 - 15:08 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsTypical of the left: rewrite history, leave out that with which you disagree or proves detrimental to your view.
Very hard to watch 'The Killing Fields' when you know it's based on real events.
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Scratch That
August 26, 2007 - 15:22 ET by BarkerOh, okay, it was just a collective "flesh wound". Thanks for clearing that up, Hirsh.
Qualifications
August 26, 2007 - 15:31 ET by mattmObviously, intelligence and knowledge are not qualifications to be a senior editor at Newsweek.
..... “Why
August 26, 2007 - 15:36 ET by MidAmerica..... “Why America's Pullout from Vietnam Worked......
I was going to write some wise and pithy comment about the whole concept of winning by embracing defeat when I realized it's Sunday and I shouldn't work so hard.
So here's Mr. Hirsh as Sir Robin.
Hmm, my post went
August 26, 2007 - 15:37 ET by wiwfHmm, my post went missing...
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested,
exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln
...
August 26, 2007 - 15:46 ET by mattmalso "journalists" and activists - but I repeat myself.
Just another racist.
August 26, 2007 - 15:52 ET by well99See apparently people like the Vietnamese and Cambodians dont really count.The re-education camps and the loss of millions of folks in them isnt important to Hirsh.Hirsh shows his true colors.It just shows it isnt the ones in the sheets to watch out for as much as the ones in the suits.
I read that article. It was
August 26, 2007 - 16:07 ET by superconI read that article. It was awful.He began it by writing about "America's defeat" while he ignored the fact that the Democratic led Congress cut the funding for the war as if that wasn't relevent.The whole thing had the flavor of "Don't tell me about Viet Nam Mr. Bush...I was there." Yeah...15 years after the slaughter.
Apparently the U.S. pullout was the best thing to ever happen to the Vietnamese.When liberals and guys like him talk about Vietnam they always leave out the part about the genocide for some reason.What's a few million murders matter?The important thing was that America was defeated.
Boat people shmoat people.What's a couple of thousand ?
I tried to post a comment but they were shut off.I suspect because of how stupid his article was.
Victory in Iraq.
Newt for President.
Hirsch Amnesia and the Vietnam Syndrome
August 26, 2007 - 16:07 ET by Lame CherryYou will notice in all liberals the Vietnam Syndrome. They love it when trying to state America lost the war, but somehow always have amnesia in mumbing JFK started it, LBJ blew the bajesus out of it.......and Conservative Republican Admiral Thomas Moore ended it by carpet bombing the NVA until they were peeing their pants in fear.
Liberals and Democrats always have amnesia in the millions of people their policy exterminated, the entire genocide of cultures like the Mong and the raped, butchered, slaughtered, starved and "left to immigrate" dead the communists employed when the Democrats FAILED TO UPHOLD A POLICY PRESIDENT'S NIXON AND FORD SIGNED OFF ON WITH OUR ALLY SOUTH VIETNAM.
After Adm. Moore destroyed the NVA, comrade Ho decided peace was a good deal and the US left South Vietnam intact and free.
It was without merit though that Rockefeller CFR flunky Kissinger told the NVA they could do as they pleased "when America left as long as the NVA did not make America look bad".
That though is the real history. America never won South Korea, but America never lost it either no more than liberals like saying America lost South Vietnam. It was shrew Democrats in Congress who did not uphold a policy and left an ally to die in mass at the hands of communists.
Hirsch though likes the Spielberg Hollywood Meathead Reiner version though as if America lost.......THEN THE REAL HISTORY NEVER COMES OUT THAT DEMOCRATS ABANDONED A US ALLY TO THE KILLING FIELDS.
Thank you to Newsbusters for this blog so that a few thousand more people will find out the facts on Vietnam as this liberal rewriting of history where Hirsch gets off free is something I will NEVER allow. I know those people over there too much and the survivors who made it here in the agony they still suffer.
I will not forget them no more than the Judeans worked to death camps to the Ukraines starved to death by Stalin to the genocide in 1750 of the people of the Ohio by the Indian and European Empires.
Liberal Democrats let EVERY one of the those events occur in 250 years of history and I will not forget and I will not let America forget what kind of ilk Hirsch and his company of butchers are.
God bless the United States American Republic.
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Cambodia suffered, as did
August 26, 2007 - 16:28 ET by bassndudeCambodia suffered, as did the Muong in Laos and the Montagnards of Vietnam. The commuists stoped the Cambodian slaughter only because of feared UN and US intervention. Those folks havent changed any, but they do remember US planes and napalm. Hirsh is a typ lib that cant remember anything that happened yesterday. Now, Hanoi needs money. Their re-educated collective needs it to survive.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Killing Fields
August 26, 2007 - 17:13 ET by pocomocoIf you’ve been keeping track of the plethora (thank you Howard Cosell) of angst being exhibited by all the factions of the MSM as they try to run as fast as they can away from their responsibility in the bloody aftermath of Viet Nam, it is almost comical if it weren’t so tragic.
The MSM and the Democrats OWN the tragedies of Viet Nam and now they want to do the same in Iraq.
The Democrats are, pure and simple, the party of death and they are using the MSM to justify their ‘killing fields’, such as abortion.
So, Mr. Hirsh, what you're
August 26, 2007 - 22:07 ET by drillanwrSo, Mr. Hirsh, what you're saying is ... That all those people who were tortured, starved, murdered and shoved over the edge into insanity to swear allegiances to Communism ... from the moment we left Vietnam until your visit in 1991 ... were little more than collateral damage and acceptable losses. After all, it was all in the cause of Communism, Comrade.
John kerry
August 27, 2007 - 07:50 ET by iveseenitallRemember young John Kerry's extremely low estimates about how many would die when we pulled out of Vietnam. Off by only a million or two, eh John. Liberals make me want to puke.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"