Universal Health Care Backer's 'Moment of Truth' Championed by CBS Evening News

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Tremendously exaggerating the number of Americans who lack access to health insurance, CBS on Wednesday night trumpeted the cause of an AFL-CIO member who denounced the United States for not providing health insurance coverage for his wife and endorsed the John Edwards plan for universal health care. Anchor Katie Couric previewed the upcoming story: “Presidential candidates hear a dramatic plea for help from one of the millions of Americans with no health insurance and no way to pay for it.” Setting up the tribute to the retiree, Couric asserted that “45 million Americans have no coverage. That includes more than 13 million between the ages of 19 and 29. Many of them don't get coverage from their jobs, and cannot afford to buy it on their own.” Of course, many can afford it and in that age range feel comfortable without insurance. In fact, 17 million of the uninsured earn more than $50,000. Removing those, plus people who are not U.S. citizens, leaves fewer than ten million chronically uninsured.

Reporter Michelle Miller began her CBS Evening News piece by championing how “every once in a while, a moment of truth breaks through a political campaign event. That happened last night when a 60-year-old retired steel worker from Union Township, Indiana, asked a question.” Viewers then saw a clip of Steve Skvara from the AFL-CIO debate shown Tuesday night on MSNBC: “Every day of my life, I sit at the kitchen table across from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family, and I can't afford to pay for her health care. What's wrong with America? And what will you do to change it?” Miller explained that “Skvara says he got the answer he was looking for from his favorite candidate, John Edwards,” who proclaimed: “And we ought to have universal health care in this country!” Skvara agreed: “We need a national health care plan.” Miller wondered: “Now the question is whether a moment in a debate will be the moment that motivates reform.”

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Earlier Wednesday, on MSNBC's Hardball, Chris Matthews featured a segment with Skvara and hailed him as “a great American who speaks so well to the needs of this country.”

Skvara complained that when the steel company he had worked for went bankrupt he lost his promised lifetime health insurance. Not surprisingly, neither Miller nor Matthews raised Skvara's lack of personal responsibility in planning ahead for his own future when he worked in a declining industry, burdened by high health care costs, that many predicted long ago would go out of business. Nor did they look into the responsibility of the union to which he paid dues for decades. On Hardball, Skvara did acknowledge that he's on Medicare and his wife, who is several years younger, will qualify for Medicare in a few years.

Exactly one week ago, Couric and CBS promoted “landmark” and “historic” efforts to expand federal control of health, as recounted in my August 1 NewsBusters item:

Wednesday's CBS Evening News trumpeted two liberal efforts to expand government power, leading by heralding “landmark legislation” to have the FDA regulate cigarettes followed by a story slanted in favor of, as reporter Thalia Assuras described it, an “historic expansion of health care coverage for children” of the “working poor.” Assuras, however, ignored such inconvenient facts as how a family of four with an income as high as $82,600 could get on the taxpayers' dole. Katie Couric had teased her top story: “Tonight, landmark legislation that supporters say could save millions of lives. Congress takes a step toward regulating everything about cigarettes for the first time ever.”

Next, Couric introduced a look at “getting medical coverage for the millions of American children who don't have it.” Assuras touted how a proposed expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) “boosts funding by $50 billion over five years, almost doubling the number of uninsured kids covered from the current six million children to about 11 million.” Sinking to the all too common media technique of exploiting a victim to push a liberal policy, Assuras cited “children like seven-year-old Pilar Edwards whose ear ache was so severe her mother brought her to this mobile medical clinic where she could get help even though Pilar is uninsured.” Assuras did pass along how critics contend “the legislation is a slippery slope toward a universal health care plan,” but against two negative soundbites, viewers heard from four advocates as Assuras concluded with a Senator's charge that “it would be a travesty if the President vetoed this legislation,” followed by these final words from Assuras: “With kids caught in the middle.” More like taxpayers.

An excerpt from a July 18 posting by Julia Seymour on the MRC's Business and Media Institute site, “Health Care Lie: '47 Million Uninsured Americans.'”

....[M]edia outlets incorrectly claimed the number of uninsured to be 40 to 50 million Americans. The actual total is open to debate. But there are millions of people who should be excluded from that tally, including: those who aren’t American citizens, people who can afford their own insurance, and people who already qualify for government coverage but haven’t signed up.

Government statistics also show 45 percent of those without insurance will have insurance again within four months after job transitions.

Accounting for all those factors, one prominent study places the total for the long-term uninsured as low as 8.2 million -- a very different reality than the media and national health care advocates claim.

The number of the uninsured who aren’t citizens is nearly 10 million on its own, invalidating all the claims of 40+ million “Americans” without health insurance....

However, the Census Bureau report “Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2005,” puts the initial number of uninsured people living in the country at 46.577 million.

A closer look at that report reveals the Census data include 9.487 million people who are “not a citizen.” Subtracting the 10 million non-Americans, the number of uninsured Americans falls to roughly 37 million....

Many of the same people pushing the incorrect numbers of uninsured Americans also claim that these people cannot “afford” insurance....

Katie Couric echoed those sentiment on the CBS “Evening News” May 23.

“The number of Americans with no health insurance is continuing to grow as more and more employers say they can’t afford to offer group insurance…People who try to buy insurance on their own often find the price beyond their reach,” said Couric as she introduced a two-part “investigation of the health insurance industry.”

But according to the same Census report, there are 8.3 million uninsured people who make between $50,000 and $74,999 per year and 8.74 million who make more than $75,000 a year. That’s roughly 17 million people who ought to be able to “afford” health insurance because they make substantially more than the median household income of $46,326....

Subtracting non-citizens and those who can afford their own insurance but choose not to purchase it, about 20 million people are left – less than 7 percent of the population.

“Many Americans are uninsured by choice,” wrote Dr. David Gratzer in his book “The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care.” Gratzer cited a study of the “nonpoor uninsured” from the California Healthcare Foundation.

“Why the lack of insurance [among people who own homes and computers]? One clue is that 60 percent reported being in excellent health or very good health,” explained Gratzer....

So what is the true extent of the uninsured “crisis?” The Kaiser Family Foundation, a liberal non-profit frequently quoted by the media, puts the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for current government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 13.9 million and 8.2 million. That is a much smaller figure than the media report.

Kaiser’s 8.2 million figure for the chronically uninsured only includes those uninsured for two years or more. It is also worth noting, that, 45 percent of uninsured people will be uninsured for less than four months according to the Congressional Budget Office.

The MRC's Brad Wilmouth corrected the closed-captioning against the video to provide a transcript of the August 8 CBS Evening News story:

KATIE COURIC: It's well-known that far too many Americans have no health insurance, but what you might not know is that young adults make up nearly a third of the uninsured. According to a report today by the Commonwealth Fund, 45 million Americans have no coverage. That includes more than 13 million between the ages of 19 and 29. Many of them don't get coverage from their jobs, and cannot afford to buy it on their own. That, of course, is true for many Americans, regardless of age. Michelle Miller reports there was a dramatic reminder of that and a plea for help at last night's Democratic presidential forum in Chicago.

MICHELLE MILLER: Every once in a while, a moment of truth breaks through a political campaign event. That happened last night when a 60-year-old retired steel worker from Union Township, Indiana, asked a question.

STEVE SKVARA at the debate: Every day of my life, I sit at the kitchen table across from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family, and I can't afford to pay for her health care. What's wrong with America? And what will you do to change it?

MILLER: Steve Skvara spent more than 30 years working here at the LTV steel plant in East Chicago, Indiana.

SKVARA: At the time when I worked there, it was s given that you had insurance benefits for the rest of your life when you retired, you know.

MILLER: But then the company went bankrupt. His financial future crumbled. He lost part of his pension and all of his health insurance. Today, both he and his wife Sandy, too shy to appear on camera, suffer lingering injuries from a car accident a decade ago. Steve has a heart condition, and they can just barely afford health insurance for him. Sandy has none. And that's what prompted his shaking rage at the debate.

SKVARA: It's not just about a retiree and his wife. It's about everybody in the country.

MILLER: There are now nearly 45 million Americans without health insurance.

STUART ROTHENBERG, political analyst: I think you're going to see everybody talking about health care. The question is, is that how people, and why people, make a decision in 2008? It's too early to know.

MILLER: According to a recent CBS News/New York Times poll, after the war in Iraq, health care is the number one concern for Americans. Steve Skvara says he got the answer he was looking for from his favorite candidate, John Edwards.

JOHN EDWARDS, at the debate: And we ought to have universal health care in this country-

SKVARA: It was answered directly: We need a national health care plan. And we do. This country does.

MILLER: Now the question is whether a moment in a debate will be the moment that motivates reform. Michelle Miller, CBS News, Gary, Indiana.

The CBSNews.com online version of the story, “Steelworker Takes the Spotlight at Debate: Gets Standing Ovation at Democratic Debate for Asking 'What's Wrong With America?' on Health Care.”

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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MSM will ride this pony to victory

Get used to it. 

 This guy will most likely be used like Cindy Sheehan for the next 14 months as the poster guy for Uni Health Care.

Agreed, and make enough

Agreed, and make enough monies doing it to cover several family's medical expenses.

But 1st.....an agent.

Michael Moore

I think Michael Moore is available.  I hear he is a real sicko.

"I hear he is a real

"I hear he is a real sicko."

Good one Ex.

Talking about who's a

Talking about who's a "sicko":

I just watched the video and saw Edwards clapping his hands over his head and smiling...SMILING!!! after that question. Like he's thinking Yeah!!! That's the kind of stuff we want on TV! I'll hit this one out of the park!!!"

In his private life, Edwards would probably be thinking "how will I change it? Sue the pants off LTV, the Union, everyone involved!"

 

 

}}---> Exactly, belt

LTV court ordered lawyer costs in the Bankruptcy settlement ran 200 Million Dollars.

Wonder when the John Edwards types stopped to consider whose pie it was they were dividing?

Losing Message

I can't seem to get this through the heads of my fellow Republicans. Judging from the comments I see in this thread, must Repubs don't get it and won't anytime soon.

Simply put, we are on the losing side of the globalism issue. You can cling to your ideology and keep losing elections, or you can wake up.

Say Again

Keep losing elections?

2006 does not "elections" make. Please clarify your remark.

Sure

Ten years or more ago, the conservative argument was that anyone who isn't willing to work for a living doesn't deserve health care and a reasonably comfortable life.

Completely reasonable, compeletely American, competely conservative.

 

Now, anti- Svara crowd says that NOBODY deserves it, not even those willing to bust their chops doing a hard days' work for thirty years or more.

It's like Republicans are writing a book on How to Lose Elections.

Don't take my word for it- read this from a CONSERVATIVE writer.

http://www.humaneven...

You don't "get on the

You don't "get on the winning side" of an issue by conceding to an intellectually bankrupt position.  You continue to articulate your correct position until it becomes "the winning side". 

D'oh!

That's because most Republicans are conservatives. That's what you can't get through your head, evidently. There's nothing conservative about globalism or socialized medicine.

  This guy retired in his

  This guy retired in his fifties and I guess hasn't worked since.  I know lots of guys well past 65 who are still working.  His wife has evidentely never worked.  If they needed money why not?  Lingering car injuries are mentioned but not specified.  If they are debilitating enough to preclude working they can be declared disabled and there are government programs to help them.  He is said to have a heart condition which can mean a lot of things but if it's common high blood pressure that is usually easily controlled.  Plus there are free mental health agencies to help him cope with his "shaking rage".

RE:  The heart condition,

RE:  The heart condition, you're right.   I've had two heart attacks (1st at 45), two TIAs, one stroke and have a defiblorator.   And still work about 16-20 hours/wk as a semi-retired remodeler.   I don't have to, but I enjoy it, and according to my cardiologist, is what's keeping me alive at 65. 

Sonny, hence my post below.

Sonny, hence my post below. I've seen greeters at Wal-Mart who are in wheelchairs, with some kind of problem with their necks that they can't hold their head up. I don't mean to sound indifferent or disrespectful to handicapped people, I am just trying to show that their are probably people out there worse off physically than this guy, and they have jobs. I can't see how there could be much stress standing by the door telling customers " Welcome to Wal-Mart" or "Thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart".

(Btw, no I don't own stock in the company, although you might think so by looking at my posts in this thread).

 

 

You're right, Restless. In

You're right, Restless. In spite of the way liberals bad-mouth it, Wal Mart is famous for employing just about anyone who can manage any kind of work. I see numerous workers in wheel chairs, or with Down syndrome, or any number of minor disabilities, doing whatever work they are capable of. That is to their credit, both the workers' and Wal Mart's.

This is beginning to remind me of "Mr. Ponytail" from the '92 campaign, that Rush still riffs on from time to time. He wanted to know what the candidates would do to be a "father" to all of us and take care of us.

I'm sorry for Mr. Skvara and his wife, but he worked for 30 years, and depended on the Union for a pension. Perhaps he should have taken a hand in his own future with an IRA or something. I realize his situation is what it is, and I'm not saying he and his wife should have to suffer, I'm just commenting on the mentality of people that don't take responsibility for their own lives.

Steel Workers Union Health Care Benefits

I am sure that he had a fantastic health care benefits as a result of the collective bargaining agreement between the Steel Workers Union and LTV.

Too bad, the union was not able to protect those benefits when LTV went bankrupt.

If he is too sick to work, why isn't he on Social Security Disability and Medicare?

Not What it Appears to Be

I have a suggestion for Skvara. Why don't you take responsibility for you own life, instead of asking the government to solve your problems. Get a job, buy some health insurance if it is a tremendous priority.

In his question Skvara said:

After 34 years, with LTV Steel, I was forced to retire because of a disability.  Two years later, LTV filed bankruptcy.  I lost a third of my pension and my family lost their healthcare.  Every day of my life I sit at the kitchen table, across from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family, and I can't afford to pay for her health care! What is wrong with America and what will you do to change it?

Skvra was born in 1947. He is a union activist. Prominent on that website is a boycott list, including Wal-Mart. Skvra previously appeared on Lou Dobbs  blaming the loss of American Jobs on Wal-Mart's desire for low prices.

LTV Steel filed for bankruptcy Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2000. It liquidated in 2001 after it could not reach a deal with the United Steelworkers Union.   

By his own account, he begain working for LTV in 1964 when he was 17.  It is funny how all of his anger is directed at the government and the corporation. No anger is expressed to the Steel Workes Union, which was an active particpant in the bankruptcy of LTV Steel. No where does he accept personal responsibility for providing for his own family.  Nor does he turn to the union to which he paid dues for 34 years for help.

What Skvara did not tell you is that ISG Group, which bought the assets of LTV Steel has been working to increase coverage to people like Skvara.

International Steel Group (ISG), the company that bought the assets of LTV in 2002 and those of Bethlehem Steel in 2003, worked with the USW to establish a benefit trust fund called the ISG Voluntary Employees’ Benefit Association, or VEBA. VEBA offers prescription helpBy March 2005, the VEBA had sufficient funds to begin offering a prescription drug program to both Medicare-eligible and non-Medicare retirees and dependents who lost coverage through the bankruptcies. Medicare beneficiaries now have the option to receive prescription drug benefits from the VEBA plan or a Medicare Part D drug plan, but not both. Approximately 75,000 individuals were eligible as of early 2006.

  Skvara also did not mention that he is an Edwards supporter who booed Hillary Clinton at a the take back America rally.

 

Sounds like a perfect Democrat.

}}---> Thanks allanf

You answered a bunch of questions I was fixin' to get real snide about.

This isn't anecdotal, it's caricature.  It's the stereotypical depiction of the poor, stupid, union member, toiling dawn to dusk to the crack of the whip, then tossed aside when the Copper bosses have had their way with him.

Joan Baez, could you sing a little song, please?

Pattern Emerging?

This article and your detective work is the third unidentified Liberal activists/operative in two days that just happen to get their faces, names and opinions published by a compliant , complacent and factually deficient media.

The first was Thomas Fritzsche of Davenport, Iowa who questioned Giuliani's religion at a Rudy rally.  Mr. Fritzsche is an attorney who has run for public office under the Democratic ticket. 

The second was Rachel Griffiths of Milan, Illinois who questioned Romney and his families lack of military service at a Mitt forum.  The woman was identified in subsequent releases of the story as an anti-war activist.

The third is this article's Steve Skvara of Indiana who propagandized for John Edwards at an Edwards function.  This is not his first time being quoted and named while attending a political function:

"A retired steelworker and Edwards backer who booed Clinton said she was just too cautious. "She's always taken the safe track," said Steve Skvara of Indiana."  (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/06/21/2007-06-21_hillary_takes_a_left_hook.html)

Of all the people that attended the same two functions as Mr. Skvara, what are the odds theat he would be one and only "civilian" attendee chosen from the crowd to be quoted?  Pretty good if you're a union activist, probably "know someone who knows someone", causes a bit of controversy and will be sympathetic for the media's agenda and their intended patrons.

Are these individuals deciding on their own to behave in this manner and then randomly chosen (twice in the case of Mr. Skvara) by media to be a pivital point in the story?  Does media innocently forget to find out or inform the consumer of the pertinent affiliations of those quoted in the stories?  Is it mere coincidence that both of the "person in the crowd" quotes are tersely negative of Republicans while the quote for the Democrat is glowingly positive?

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

}}---> Steve Skvara...circuitously

Beats the heck out of getting a job and taking care of that ailing woman he sits across the table from.

My guess is his trips are fully funded by the very same Union that decapitated the goose that laid the egg that insured the worker that paid the dues that strengthened the arm that decapitated the goose.

Every day of my life, I sit

Every day of my life, I sit at the kitchen table...

Perhaps, instead of sitting at the kitchen table, he could have availed himself of the myriad of educational opportunities that are available in this country, and most likely would have avoided becoming a slave to his union, and would not be facing the situation he is now.

And just where, pray tell, is his union?

I'm sorry, but it is people like Steve Skvara that are going to be the "useful idiots" used by the left to destroy our healthcare system.

Help Fred defeat everybody.

 

Retirement age is what? 68?

Retirement age is what? 68? 70? Get a job geezer. Wal-Mart is calling on you, would probably give YOU a job even though YOU want Wal-Mart boycotted. Then, you would have healthcare for your wife, who should probably get a job too.

(Btw, it isn't Wal-Mart who demands low prices, it is we the consumers who demand them. They just met a market demand).

Too good to get an ordinary job

This guy probably thinks if he can't get the same kind of wages the union got him at the steel mill, along with the same kind of bennies, then the job is not worth taking. Of course, the burden of those union contracts was undoubtedly a major factor behind the bankruptcy of the steel company that cost him his job.

This guy is undoubtedly a plant, since he conveniently popped up all over the media after his "moment of truth". Most reporters wouldn't work that hard to find him if the union's hadn't handed him over.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

You are probably right, but

You are probably right, but he shouldn't care about the wages. He still ha 2/3 of his pension, and if he snagged a job as a Wal-Mart greeter, or something like that, I would think he would have healthcare. I don't know at what level of employment places like this offer healthcare, but it is a question he could ask before accepting a job.

“Now the question is

“Now the question is whether a moment in a debate will be the moment that motivates reform.”

 

What debate? I never heard the other side, and this guy's credibility was never questioned. There was no debate; this was advocacy, pure and simple.

Pilar Edwards whose ear

Pilar Edwards whose ear ache was so severe her mother brought her to
this mobile medical clinic where she could get help even though Pilar
is uninsured.”

So what's the problem? The child did not go without help for her earache. Lack of insurance doesn't mean lack of care. Would the care have been better if her mother had brought her to a government clinic in a government building?

 

union democrat healthcare schill

the answer to his question "whats wrong with america ?" is too many useless people like himself , always withdrawling from the bank account of humanity and never contributing to it..

Perhaps someone should have

Perhaps someone should have taught her mother how to remove built up wax from her daughter's ear, like my wife did to our 4 kids.

Poor, poor, union guy....

Poor union guy, your union drove your company into bankruptcy, your union took your dues to support the Democratic Party; the party that promoted policies that bankrupted your company, that allowed policies that cut your pension and you of course, did not do a thing to prepare yourself and your family, including that women that supported your family, who didn't have an outside job; and now you want me to support you, your family, your wife, your union, and your party. 

When are you going to follow your own philosophy and start giving back to the community?  When are you going to start supporting yourself? 

When are you going to wake up, lose weight, get into better physical condition and whining about how your union, your company, and your party have screwed up your life?

  Cuba is calling...

 

Cuba is calling...

Oh, yes.  The classic

Oh, yes.  The classic goonion tactic in action once again.  Send the sympathetic (teacher, nurse, firefighter or the children) or the hard luck story to carry the publicity water for the dinosaur labor unions.  Elevate the average public employee union paper-pushing slacker to the level of necessary/crucial cog in the wheel of the economy through transparently dishonest, lazy, cliched sloganeering.  While the heavy-handed tactics of the labor unions have become anachronistic in most of the private sector, their PR machine is almost second-to-none when it comes to making them appear as relevant as ever.  Unfortunately, too many "well meaning", but stupid,  people fall for their shell games time after time.  And it doesn't help when you have politicians like Governor Maria Shriver caving to them after the 2005 special elections.  Big government socialism creeps in when people take these public manipulations at face value. 

wow...funny cripples

 I live in a wheelchair and after reading the comments posted here I want to thank you all for telling me how much of an easy life I have.  God bless you all.

 

 

I Walk Funny

}}---> Sorry pad1

Personally, I am sorry if I said anything you felt demeaning to you. 

I hope you are able some day soon to find a job. 

For those unable to do every job, I believe there should still be jobs available.

What kind of comment is

What kind of comment is that?  None said it was easy, life is not easy.  I applaude you for surviving a disability.  BTW if you are really in a wheelchair then elaborate.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Sorry for your

Sorry for your condition.

 I think that
the people on the site is just very tired of every one playing the victim, and
then that puts them in the position of not being able to criticize them
because.., my son was killed in Iraq (Cindy Sheehand) or my child has  ________.  So it gives them a layer of armor that (with the help of
Political Correctness)  keeps them
from being criticized. Its done intentionally.

My favorite Uncle had polio, we would sail all the time, but
he had such a hard time getting around it use to just kill me to watch. When I
would try to help he would yell at me.

Like I said, I don’t think that anyone on this site is down
on people with problems, we just hate it when people use it as a shield. 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Pad1, please elaborate

Please elaborate on where someone said you have an easy life. I certainly don't think so. Life is hard, whether or not you are in a wheelchair. I would guess you don't want pity from anyone; just a chance to achieve all that you are capable of.

pad1 - as the father .

of a daughter who was born "into" a wheelchair, I don't think anyone here said it was easy being on wheels. The intent was to show that personal responsibility was to be considered. This bonehead who has become a media darling, has been out of work since 2001. If he hasn't gotten work in that time, he's a freeloader. If his pension was cut, it was done by his buddies in the union. The plant probably went backrupt 'cause the union was slowly bleeding it with all of their "life should be fun" demands. This bum, should be greatful that he's still breathing, walking, and has the ability to feel sorry for himself.

Looking at you sig, you've got it easier than my daughter - she can't nor has ever walked, yet she has gotten a degree, despite all the nay sayers who told her NOT to try. Her biggest problem now is dealing with libs who think that being in a chair makes her incapable of anything - so much for the people who believe in diversity.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Burp 'em

Gee, I hope there were enough changing tables at the stadium. Those pity parties remind me of a bunch of helpless baby birds, with their mouths wide open, screaming for food. The only difference is these "birds" are fully grown.

Instead of telling the crowd "I'm your girl", Hillary should have said "I'm your mother".

I have several questions

I have several questions for this union tool. Does he have a cell phone? Does he have a vehicle payment? Does he have cable/Sat TV in his house? Does he go out to eat once a week or more? (by the looks of him, I'd say yes) Does he have internet service? All of these expenses and many others are luxuries and I bet he makes choices every month whats more important to him.

 

}}---> No kidding K9

That's the same sh#t I'd be steady gettin' rid of before I'd look across the table at a sick hungry wife.

Methinks the world still revolves around his own personal pity party.

Were he any less entrenched in his squalor, he could pick himself up, curse those preachers of cradle to grave daycare, and man up.

That poor woman who sits across the table from this wimp must be very proud.

The problem with this

The problem with this failure of government's "PBGC" is that it's guaranteed to lead to even bigger government instead of an end to the PBGC. Corrupt unions on the left & corrupt executives on the right were able to fleece the taxpayers through bankruptcy laws which did not evolve to meet the moral hazard of these officials cooperating under the table to steal from both the taxpayers and from lower-level employees like the sympathetic guy who spoke. The problem, and nobody's gonna say it but me, is the very existence of a Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation that's run by big government. You just know if Warren Buffett ran it, the corrupt executives & union bosses would not be able to steal that way from Warren like they did from the taxpayers. Obvious solution? Privatize!!
JMR

'Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

}}---> Heyo sarc

No kidding.  There's something terribly wrong when a corporation can point to a pension plan as an asset.

Yes. I worry very much for

Yes. I worry very much for America's future when something that looks very much to me like obvious "socialism-induced theft" is painted in the news media as "greedy capitalism" instead. And it's a problem of both unions and executives, this kind of thing would not have been possible IMO without a duopoly-controlled political system, so even though I'm a Republican now instead of a Libertarian, I am still finding a way to blame the problems we see in part on immoral ballot access restrictions which lead to too-little competition. :) But seriously, aside from that neverending rant...A contract is a promise, and the contractual pension promise to this guy was clearly broken. I would hope everyone can agree that's morally-wrong.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

}}---> Criminally as well, sarc

Looting a pension fund should be criminally wrong as well.  A problem I see is that the same safeguards corporations and individuals alike enjoy with their bank accounts are not in place for pension plans.

Yes. Especially at the time

Yes. Especially at the time LTV, the company in question, went under. Did you know there were literally lawyers in the specialty business of advising how to maximally loot American workers' pension funds while calling it something that sounds morally-neutral like "restructuring"? It would not take very much journalism to get the name of the lawyer & law firm that advised LTV, and the court of public opinion (ok, maybe just my opinion) is certainly curious about the name of that firm and the names of the lawyers and executives who made off with the money promised to that guy. Like Mike Huckabee, I do not think Republicans should blame the little guy we heard on TV. He may not be an economics geek like some of us, but I think we can see that he's morally in the right as a victim.

I wish I could believe these well-connected lawyers & their clients could be punished, but the looting seems to have somehow been deemed legal despite appearances. At least so far. I get furious when I think about this kind of stuff, especially because I'll be made to sound "heartless" when I say, "there should be no PBGC at all, and if pension funds want insurance they should talk to Berkshire Hathaway." It's one thing for a guy to have a big salary & bonus because he made shareholders a lot of money, but this is obviously morally different, and I wish this guy had said a few names.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

}}---> I'm trying, sarc

But I can't find anything about the LTV implosion.  Seems like some concessions would have been made by the Union to release the pension funds to the corporation for restructuring.  I must admit, I don't know though I did find a NYT article saying LTV settlement costs of 200 Million went to lawyers.  The raid evidently occurred during the Clinton Administration, so it's Bush's fault, obviously.

Seems ENRON got away with their misdeeds during that same administration, too.  Go figure.

I'm not that worried about

I'm not that worried about Bush. I'm more worried the media will manage -- despite the fact of government involvement in the extreme -- to blame this on "capitalism," as if an actually-capitalist system would not prosecute such blatant frauds.

My point is, this sympathetic victim DOES have a rightful, moral claim to a pension if that's what was promised to him contractually, regardless of disability via auto accident before the promise was broken. If getting that pension takes "piercing the corporate veil" to get to some executive's or some lawyer's or some union-boss's oversized "bankruptcy" payoffs, I'm ok with him civilly going after all three in a class action lawsuit -- especially if it means he's NOT going after my wallet on April 15th. Think about it, in my fantasy-world, "the system" is suddenly punishing the actual criminals for once, instead of bailing them out by using us taxpayers as a socialist insurance policy. That would be justice. And progress. And unlikely. :(
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

}}---> Media frenzy

Sure, the Media have found another darling in Skvara.  Edwards goes ape when he hears the perfect question knowing the MSM won't point out the 200 million dollar awards to the lawyers in the LTV case.

“Every day of my life, I

“Every day of my life, I sit at the kitchen table across
from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family, and I can't
afford to pay for her health care, or Collage for my kids, or a new car, or a
nicer house, or prime beef..etc . What's wrong with America? And what will you
do to change it?”

Its not “what’s wrong with America”? Its what’s wrong with
Americans (that think that government should provide..___(fill in the blank).

THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING.

THE GOVERNMENT REDISTRIBUTES MONEY FROM WHOM THEY.. DESIDE
DOES NOT NEED IT, TO THOSE WHO THEY..DESIDE DOES.

Communist Manifesto,

"From each, according to his ability; to each,
according to his needs."

 

I have read the Constitution quite a few times, never have I
see the “right to have”: Free health care, abortions, housing, food stamps,
welfare, et cetera.

 

It is the same if I walked around my neighborhood and asked for
every one to chip in for my.. health insurance, kids schooling ect..

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

}}---> DKOS on Skvara

DKOS is reporting that NB is calling Skvara a "Traitor".

I must have missed that comment.

what's that? they make

what's that? they make things up? say it ain't so...

}}---> Kos talks dirty

They are fun to read.  They seem to have such a vast vocabulary of dirty words.  Much of what I read in there I haven't heard since gradeschool.

They R so GR8 I LUV them.

Ambulance chaser

Believer

Ambulance chaser Edwards is picked as his candidate? Does he realize Edwards is one of the prime reasons insurance rates are so high and has siginificantly contributed to the lack of opportunities for affordable insurance for many of us.

I an one who rolled the dice and even tried the catastrophic route, but the first time we tried to use it, the bill came within $5 of the deductible. I am on Medicare now, but diet and some exercise, like getting the firewood in for next winter has kept me trim so far. That and His grace, of course.

}}---> SKVARA

I'm kinda wondering why it's not noted Skvara's disability is due to an automobile accident which occurred two years before the LTV bankruptcy.  I guess I shouldn't assume anything.

Sarcastic Reply Alert

I'm having trouble keeping up my mortgage, so shouldn't the government pay my housing costs?  After all, isn't housing a "right" under the leftist dogma.

Speaking of which, my car isn't running quite right.  The government should have universal auto repair coverage, then, shouldn't it?

Also, the rib eye steaks I enjoy are just too damn expensive. Maybe we should have the government provide free groceries to everybody.  It worked for the USSR, didn't it?

While we're on the subject, I haven't had a decent vacation in years.  The government should provide for my vacations to Ireland, Scotland, and South America. Stress is a medical condition, right?

Get the point yet, liberals?  Once a government entity begins "providing" your house, your food, your, transportation, your work schedule, etc.  THEY get to decide where your live, what you get, how you get around, and how much time you need to work.  It would be the same with health care, except then, they would get to decide whether you live or die.

I propose a simple alternative to government run health care.  Execute about 20-30% of the population in the country.  It would achieve the same result as government run health care, and get there a lot faster.

 

Here we go again with

Here we go again with another lib spouting the party line on health care.  He is a member of a union and he can’t afford to get his wife insurance? 

BULL S@#$!

BIG FAT LIE!!!!!

This dope just doesn’t want to shell out the extra money from his pay check to cover her.

In my job I have insurance for me and my family.  It cost me $125 per check every two weeks.  Could I use that money some where else.  You bet you sweet rear end I could, but considering both I and one of my daughters had surgery this past year I got my moneys worth. 

The money comes directly out of my pay.  I budget for it and don’t miss it.

People want something for nothing.  They want the government to take care of their lazy a$$ and I’m sick and tired of hearing these libs whine “OH, the children are dying because they don’t have health care.”  Name me one state that does not have welfare health care.  Tell me a public Hospital that refuses to treat a person for no insurance with a sick child.

NONE!!!!!!

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

}}---> Not quite AirForce

He's disabled (unrelated auto accident) and took early retirement as a result.  LTV steel went Tango Uniform 2 years later and the retirement was cut to 2/3rds.  Part of the bankruptcy evidently involved his insurance being yanked out fumunda him.

He was done wrong during the Clinton Administration, that's for sure.

Sorry Cool I got ya

Sorry Cool

I got ya now.  Had to re-read.  He got the shaft for sure.  I retract the part on him.  I still mean the rest though.

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

}}---> No prob AirForce

I haven't been too kind to him.  A shill is a shill.  Why do I keep thinking of Alex P. Keaton?  Anybody?

Thats good, I shell out 600

Thats good, I shell out 600 a month in premiums for a 1K deductible and 70% pay within approved network.

 Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Ummm....

I have an easy answer to his question "What's wrong with America?"

Who was President at the time LTV closed in 2000? 

Forget 911, I dial 9MM.

}}---> Well, little foss

That would be none other than the man who hosted Ken Lay (ENRON) on numerous occasions in the Lincoln Bedroom. . .Bill Clinton.

Missed the Rare Moment of truth...darn it, it's so rare on MSM

Geez, I missed a Moment of Truth...and it was on MSM ?  Katie spoke Truth...?   

Nah..after reading this, it's a false Alarm.  IF you change jobs, you have to pay for 100% of your previous jobs Medical coverage.  If your company was paying 70%, and you were paying 30% of the premium, then when you leave you pay 100%.  That means around $450+ for coverage....and if You are Healthy, and don't want to pay that much, you go without Insurance until your next Job.

Me, I've been without Insurance for Years, becasue at  $450 a month as self employed, I can use that same money and pay for all my own Medical Bills, and have money left over.   Is it Risky  ?  Are you at risk doing this ?....yes....but it does make you assume a healthy lifestyle, and it rewards you for health habits.....and you drive more carefully  to avoid auto Accidents....although you are covered thru personal Injury and Protection via auto accident insurance. 

When something is so expensive as Medical Insurance, sometimes you take the money and pay for College, and take your chances.  

I have medical insurance now.....but I used the money for coverage for my own personal gain....because it was MY money, and I decided....and I won !!   The odds were in my favor.            

 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

That happened last night when a 60-year-old retired steel worker


"That happened last night when a 60-year-old retired steel worker..."

I'm in my late 50's and would like to retire, but I am healthy and see by the numbers that to retire comfortably I should have a larger stash of cash. I have two pensions from former employers "promised" to me, but do not think it is prudent to count on them.

I wonder at what age this guy retired and why he has not unretired to get the money to pay for what he wants or needs.