Networks Fret Over Agenda Murdoch Will 'Impose' on Wall Street Journal

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By Brent Baker | July 31, 2007 - 22:17 ET

Though many journalists impose their views regularly in biased political coverage, and last year the New York Times publisher made clear his left-wing world view, on Tuesday night the broadcast networks framed Rupert Murdoch's acquisition of the Wall Street Journal around what agenda the “controversial” Murdoch will “impose.” That matches the “fear” expressed in online journalism forums and media magazines about Murdoch's “conservative” agenda. Leading into pro and con soundbites, CBS's Kelly Wallace described Murdoch as “a conservative who put his imprint on the New York Post and brought topless women to the Sun in London. His critics say he may not impose tabloid on the Journal, but will impose his point of view.”

NBC's Andrea Mitchell called Murdoch “a controversial press lord” and declared Murdoch “deeply conservative,” but noted he's also a “pragmatic” man who has been “a supporter of liberal politicians.” Mitchell relayed how Murdoch insists he “does not mix politics and business,” but, she cautioned, “still, some are skeptical.” The liberal Ken Auletta of The New Yorker contended Murdoch “often” uses “his publications and his media to advance either his business or his political interests.” Over on ABC, David Muir warned that Murdoch “already wields great power over much of what we watch and read” and asserted that “critics caution being a brilliant businessman does not guarantee brilliant journalism.” After a soundbite from Auletta about how Murdoch's politics influence his publications, Muir worried: “For that reason, this has turned into a painful decision for members of the Bancroft family, who controlled the Wall Street Journal for more than 100 years. Sell for $5 billion? Or is that selling out? There were tears within the Bancroft family and fears in the newsroom.” On screen, a WSJ headline: “Fear, Mixed with Some Loathing; Many Reporters at Wall Street Journal Fret Over Murdoch's Arrival.”

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Muir did at least uniquely point out how “others say critics are missing the point, that in an aging newspaper industry, it is Murdoch who is keeping the Wall Street Journal alive.”

Paranoia about Murdoch's supposed right-wing agenda is not new, especially to CBS News. On the January 19, 1997 60 Minutes, barely four months after the launch of the Fox News Channel -- a time when very few could even see it -- Mike Wallace warned that “on Murdoch's new cable channel the news also comes with a conservative spin.” Wallace's expert authority? Ted Turner, I kid you not: “Ted Turner disdains all this. He believes Murdoch's political bias contaminates his news coverage.”

An excerpt from a January 20, 1997 MRC CyberAlert article with a transcript of a January 19, 1997 piece on 60 Minutes about the business feuds between and Murdoch and Turner:

Mike Wallace: "In the last election campaign Murdoch contributed more than a million and a half dollars to political candidates, most of them Republicans."

Andrew Neal, former editor of a London newspaper: "Rupert is a political ideologue. He has his right wing Republican agenda."

Wallace: "Is it a fact that he once said that Oliver North, quote 'deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor'?"

Neal: "He thought Oliver North was one of the greatest heroes in American history."

Wallace: "He's genuinely a conservative?"

Neal: "When you regard Pat Robertson in 1988 as the best Republican candidate you can see just how conservative he is. Reagan was his hero. He hated Clinton."

Wallace: "Which was obvious during the election campaign to readers of the Post."
[Video of New York Post headline with photo of Clinton: "America Decides: Is He Worthy?"]

Wallace: "And on Murdoch's new cable channel the news also comes with a conservative spin."

Clip of Bill O'Reilly, Fox News Channel: "Those who are street wise in America's big cities know that drug pushers and liquor stores make a ton of money the day the welfare checks arrive. It's a tough thing to say, but it's true."

Wallace: "Ted Turner disdains all this. He believes Murdoch's political bias contaminates his news coverage."

Turner: "He looks down his nose at do-good, honest journalism. He thinks that his media should be used by him to further his own goals."

In a May of 2006 commencement address, as detailed by NewsBusters with video, New York Times Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. delivered a left wing rant in which he presumed liberal policy goals are more noble than conservative ones as he offered an “apology” for the nation his generation has left to the next generation:

“You weren't supposed to be graduating into an America fighting a misbegotten war in a foreign land. You weren't supposed to be graduating into a world where we are still fighting for fundamental human rights, whether it's the rights of immigrants to start a new life; or the rights of gays to marry; or the rights of women to choose. You weren't supposed to be graduating into a world where oil still drove policy and environmentalists have to fight relentlessly for every gain. You weren't. But you are. And for that I'm sorry.”

The MRC's Brad Wilmouth corrected the closed-captioning against the video for the July 31 stories on the CBS, NBC and ABC evening newscasts:

CBS Evening News:

KATIE COURIC: Now to a huge deal tonight. Rupert Murdoch is about to add the Wall Street Journal to his collection. Enough members of the family that has controlled the Journal empire for more than a century agreed to sell it to Murdoch for $5 billion. So what will that mean for the best-known financial newspaper? Kelly Wallace takes a look.

KELLY WALLACE: Is Rupert Murdoch a white knight trying to save the Wall Street Journal or a tabloid tycoon focused on shoring up his other businesses? Outside the Journal's offices, on a painting of Murdoch, mixed opinions on the media mogul [Zoom in on “Good Move!” and “NEWS SHOULD BE UNBIASED!”]. He's the man behind Fox News Channel and Britain's Sky News, a conservative who put his imprint on the New York Post and brought topless women to the Sun in London. His critics say he may not impose tabloid on the Journal, but will impose his point of view.

ARLENE MORGAN, Columbia School of Journalism: It's almost naive for anybody to believe that he's going to buy the Journal and keep his hands off of the editorial product.

WALLACE: The former Managing Editor of the Journal thinks Murdoch will keep his distance.

NORMAN PEARLSTINE, Former Wall Street Journal Managing Editor: He must protect the reputation for editorial independence that the business world expects from that newspaper.

WALLACE: Murdoch's banking on that prestige and the army of 750 reporters in 89 bureaus worldwide to bolster his latest venture, the Fox Business Network, which takes on financial TV news leader CNBC this fall. At stake, hundreds of millions in advertising revenue. Murdoch laid out his vision for the paper on Fox News Channel's Your World with Neil Cavuto.

RUPERT MURDOCH: This is the greatest newspaper in America, one of the greatest in the world. It has great journalists, which deserve, I think, a much wider audience.

WALLACE: Murdoch already has more than 100 newspapers, but adding to his collection America's second most widely read paper after USA Today extends his reach even more. Kelly Wallace, CBS News, New York.

NBC Nightly News:

BRIAN WILLIAMS TEASE: Stop the presses: He's already got a global media empire. Tonight, the apparent winner of the high-stakes fight for one of this nation's oldest and greatest newspapers.

WILLIAMS: Good evening. One of the finest names in American journalism appears likely to be taken over by one of the biggest names in global media. If the deal goes through, as expected, Rupert Murdoch, a genuine modern-day media baron, will own the Wall Street Journal, the establishment voice of American business for generations. It's one of the great brand names of the print world, and it will only add to a media empire controlled by the astute native Australian newspaper man who is already responsible for so much of what this nation sees. We begin with the deal tonight and NBC's Andrea Mitchell.

ANDREA MITCHELL: He now stands as a media giant. One man will control an icon of business journalism on top of an empire that already included 100 newspapers around the world -- sassy tabloids, book publishing, satellite systems, the Fox network, movies.

BART SIMPSON character from The Simpsons: This is the worst day of my life.

HOME SIMPSON character from The Simpsons: This is the worst day of your life so far.

MITCHELL: And cable news.

BILL O'REILLY, The O'Reilly Factor: Caution, you're about to enter a no spin zone.

MITCHELL: Murdoch won Dow Jones and the Journal, its crown jewel, after an epic four-month battle with the family that had owned it for more than a century.

MICHAEL WOLFF, Vanity Fair: Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal are essentially an imperiled company, mismanaged.

MITCHELL: So why pay a huge premium, almost twice its stock market price? Murdoch anticipates a big boom in financial news, and the Dow Jones brand could help him launch a new business channel that will compete with CNBC.

DAVID FABER, CNBC: They believe that they can do a lot on the Internet, a lot on cable television, and a lot in good old print that will ultimately result in this deal being an economic one for the company.

MITCHELL: Murdoch, born in Australia but now a U.S. citizen, is deeply conservative, but pragmatic. A supporter of liberal politicians in England [picture of Tony Blair] and, more recently, in America [picture of Hillary Clinton]. Last year he told Charlie Rose he does not mix politics and business.

RUPERT MURDOCH, July 20, 2006: The one thing that I resent is the sort of slur that, you know, I just support political candidates who'd be good for the business or that our public policies are designed to line our pockets. There's no evidence of that.

MITCHELL: Still, some are skeptical.

KEN AULETTA, The New Yorker: I think he intends not to interfere. He doesn't want to harm the journal. He doesn't want to harm its credibility. But the nature of the man, if you look at history, is to often use his publications and his media to advance either his business or his political interests.

MITCHELL: A controversial press lord for the digital age, now master of a legendary newspaper. Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.

ABC's World News with Charles Gibson:

CHARLES GIBSON's TEASE: Welcome to World News. Tonight, a done deal. The Wall Street Journal is about to be folded into Rupert Murdoch's media empire in a multi-billion dollar deal the paper's owners couldn't refuse.

GIBSON: Good evening. Tonight, the news is the news. Lawyers are dotting the I's and crossing the T's on a deal that's done to sell the Wall Street Journal to Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch, whose media empire spans five continents, is buying the most storied name in financial news, the Dow Jones company, which includes the Wall Street Journal. One extended family has owned the Journal until now. Murdoch made tem an offer that, in the end, they could not refuse. ABC's David Muir is here with the story. David?

DAVID MUIR: Charlie, when Rupert Murdoch first reached out with that $5 billion offer for Dow Jones, stock for the company was trading at $36 a share. Murdoch was offering $60 a share. You might think that's a no-brainer. Not so for the family that controlled the Wall Street Journal. Rupert Murdoch was already a man of enormous power, running one of the few mega corporations still controlled by a single individual.

KEN AULETTA, The New Yorker Magazine: Rupert Murdoch is probably one of the great buccaneer businessmen.

MUIR: A buccaneer whose ship is worth $68 billion, who already wields great power over much of what we watch and read. He now adds the Wall Street Journal to the Fox movie studio, Fox television network, Fox News, satellite television in Europe and Asia, Myspace on the Internet, not to mention the 100 newspapers he already owns.

MR. BURNS character from The Simpsons: Well, I guess it's impossible to control all the media. Unless, of course, you're Rupert Murdoch.

MUIR: And with this deal, Murdoch will be able to use the Wall Street Journal's well-known name to bolster his soon-to-be-launched Business News Channel. But critics caution being a brilliant businessman does not guarantee brilliant journalism.

AULETTA: Often, not always, but often, his editorial views, his political views, his commercial interests, bleed into the way stories are covered or not covered.

MUIR: For that reason, this has turned into a painful decision for members of the Bancroft family, who controlled the Wall Street Journal for more than 100 years. Sell for $5 billion? Or is that selling out? There were tears within the Bancroft family and fears in the newsroom [on screen: Wall Street Journal headline, “Fear, Mixed with Some Loathing; Many Reporters at Wall Street Journal Fret Over Murdoch's Arrival”]. So Murdoch promised an independent editorial board to oversee major hirings and firings at the newspaper.

JENNIFER SABA, Editor and Publisher magazine: I just don't know how effective an independent board is. And it hasn't been in the past.

MUIR: After all, Murdoch did make similar promises before. There was the Times of London where, eventually, it was reportedly Murdoch who did the firing. Still, others say critics are missing the point, that in an aging newspaper industry, it is Murdoch who is keeping the Wall Street Journal alive.

DENNIS KNEALE, Forbes magazine: Terrible old Rupert Murdoch has come in and taken control of a national treasure. Let me tell you something. The Wall Street Journal ought to be thanking its lucky stars that this guy came in and rescued this newspaper.

MUIR: What many say this Murdoch deal does is ensure the Wall Street Journal survives for many years to come. And whether he'll try to influence the editorial side, ultimately it will be Rupert Murdoch who decides that, Charlie.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center

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Let them fret all they

Let them fret all they want...

I love it myself!

Therapy sessions are going to be on demand for a lot of so-called journalist/reporters....

LMAO!

And with nary

a word on the bias imposed on the nation by the leftist editors

 

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

 

Is there anyone commenting

Is there anyone commenting on this story that actually subscribes to the WSJ?

I do.

I do.

bt... I hope they worry

bt...

I hope they worry themselves into a coma! 

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checkmate for Rupert

This was a win-win for Rupert all along. If he bought it, he gets to steer the biggest financial print pub from a business perspective. But if he had lost the deal, or pulled out, he would have $5B to put into his own financial launch while the foundering WSJ would have intense new visibility. The editorial board of the WSJ has been infected, and is almost as suspect as the NYT for leftist bias. Revenues have been falling, general management and labor union woes have put the books under strain. And the burgeoning trustees overseeing boardroom operations were doomed to demote the WSJ from its throne.

I was almost dismayed that the deal went through. It is not for I to second guess such a successful businessman, but Murdoch could have saved a pile of cash and still wiped out the competition in the long run.

But a win is a win nonetheless.  Beautiful move, Rupert. You had them in checkmate from the get-go.

Murdoch

Ah, the angst is overflowing throughout the MSM today at the announcement of Rupert Murdoch’s buyout of the Wall Street Journal.

There is a general feeling that they would rather have had the Wall Street Journal fail than be taken over by conservative Murdoch.  Quite an admission since he’s going to save the paper while many of their papers are struggling to stay alive.

The reason why the WSJ was failing  is the same reason all the others are in trouble, they are agenda driven placing more emphasis on editorial opinion than on hard news.

Today, many at the WSJ are wondering about their future, and they should. Years of telling America it is a no good country has brought the WSJ where it is today, a shell of what it use to be.

And those who think Murdoch will not make the necessary changes to make it profitable again, I would suggest that they update their resumes.

More Than Vaguely Familiar

That "angst" has been duly noted here before on a different subject matter.  Many in MSM would rather see the US fail in Iraq.  They do not want an administration headed by George W. Bush to have anything to show for its efforts and are perfectly willing to damage US interests, so long as Bush is harmed in the process.

Imposing agendas? It has

Imposing agendas? It has been my experience that those who accuse others of (__fill in the blank__), do so because they themslves do it.

}}}----> WSJ

Andrea Mitchell: "A controversial press lord for the digital age"

OOOO, This one's so full of controversy.  How much William Jefferson did they gingerly step over to find this controversy?

Buying dope on the 1st & 15th

Wallace: "And on Murdoch's new cable channel the news also comes with a conservative spin."

Clip of Bill O'Reilly, Fox News Channel: "Those who are street wise in
America's big cities know that drug pushers and liquor stores make a
ton of money the day the welfare checks arrive. It's a tough thing to
say, but it's true."

You've got to be kidding me. 60 min. actually used this as some sort of example of conservative spin? Why? Because some middle aged white guy said it? Maybe bill was listening to his NWA cd on the way to work that day, who knows. But they were rapping about it 10 years earlier.

It's not a conserv/lib thing. And it's not a "tough" thing to say bill, but your right it is true. And it's not just the day the checks arrive, you ever drive around Union Street on any friday or sat night?

You want to know what the street wise are doing? Go ahead take a look. But it won't be pretty.

" Clocking much dollars on tha 1st & 15th " -Dope Man '87

 

The Conservative Spin

It is clear that Wallace thinks the conservative spin on things is telling the truth. That leaves the liberal spin being lying.

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

}}}----> Old prune Wallace

Oreilly knew what he was saying was provocative to Liberals.  He just chose not to let PC get in the way of the truth.

The bars in Anytown USA get a little fuller at Government check time.  Those of us who frequented such places noticed it back in the day.

But Old Man Prune uses his ever so keen intellect to decipher some dark agenda behind a statement of the obvious.

I sincerely doubt the WSJ's

I sincerely doubt the WSJ's page 3 will ever be nearly as interesting as the ones our Jack Bauer no-doubt sees daily...
JMR

Post breaks power abuse story

Interesting that none of them mentioned that the NY Post broke the story on Gov. Spitzer abusing his office and powers. It was the conservative paper that had the balls to go against Gov. Steamroller. None of the liberal newspapers caught it.  If that is the Murdoch imprint, the WSJ is going to be a much better paper on its news side, which has been very liberal of late.

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Not just that, the Post

Not just that, the Post keeps John Crudele around, even though none of Rupert's TV financial "journalists" seem to ever want to interview him. This despite the fact that Mr. Crudele seems to have some interesting stories to tell...Why, if I were the suspicious type, I'd almost want to say they don't mind if news readers know something, but they really don't want less serious news TV watchers to also-know, but we know our wise information-masters would never think that way, right? ;)
JMR

I recall Ted Turner, before

I recall Ted Turner, before he was removed from operational control of his media holdings, saying around a decade agothat he and CNN would "squash Fox News like a bug."

Murdoch has since proceeded from success to success, and the WSJ acquisition plus his new business network on cable should cement his reputation for business acumen.  This is bad news for the poorly-run NYT & NBC business operations, as now the WSJ can complement its journalistic superiority with a well-run business.  

But the most ironic part is listening to far-left commentators like Auletta et al. bemoan Murdoch letting his "conservative" beliefs color his news operations.  Fox News is more fair and balanced than any of the networks or other cable operations---a fact that no amount of blather from the lefty commentariat can gloss over.

WSJ Buyout proof of sinking leftists

So, when the WSJ flourishes due to it's new owner, whilst the lefty papers all crash and burn, will the losers still claim the internet is responsible for their pathetically dwindling amount of readers?  Hmm?  NYT?  LAT?  Boston Globe?  What say you all? 

 

What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.

Is the Pope Catholic?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Does Newcorp own the

Does Newcorp own the Washington Times? How's that going?

It doesn't own the

It doesn't own the Washington Times

Sorry. My fault. I confused

Sorry. My fault. I confused Murdoch with the Moonies.

Congratulations to the Wall

Congratulations to the Wall Street Journal.

You have have now joined the illustrious ranks of such reputable media outlets as the New York Post and Foxnews.  HA!

Ah well, I'd probably sell all of my credibility for $5 billion too!

Despite the stark political

Despite the stark political contrast a few newsgeeks like us happen to know between the conservative editorial page at the WSJ and the actual WSJ reporters who are like most journalists, the perception among most people is that the WSJ is overall "conservative." How will their credibility suffer if a different conservative -- if that's what Hillary's good buddy Rupert really is -- pays the first bunch of conservatives a bunch of money & takes it over?
JMR

Sarc, Of course it's

Sarc,

Of course it's already conservative, but is not circus conservatism/blatant propaganda such as that exhibited on FoxNews or within the pages of the Post.

I mean, have you read the Post?  It's a joke.  It's what would happen if the Enquirer and Newsmax mated.

For me, compared to

For me, compared to Crudele, all the TV financial "journalists" are jokes, Leon. Every damn one of 'em. NY Post employee John Crudele's the only person besides maybe Ted Butler covering what's actually happening in some VERY manipulated but allegedly "free" markets.

The media bias here isn't that information will not be let-out at all, but clearly the readers-only Murdoch-outlet is different from the hypnotic eye-candy dispenser, and different ideas are allowed on the readers-only area. Why doesn't Cavuto ever interview Crudele?? It's not like they don't work for the same company in the same city covering the same stuff, and it's not like Crudele's lacking in journalism skills, so why???
JMR

Hi, fat hater!

Um, Leon...  You are aware that FOX news is stomping all over the other networks?  Ok.  I just wanted to make sure before you go making yourself look stupid again...

How about a rebuttal to my post?  Or are you just going to be sanrky little fella again today?

 

What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.

Ah Six String, So you

Ah Six String,

So you enjoyed yesterday where you lied and claimed you didn't personally attack sarc, but then I cut and pasted your exact quote in which you personally attacked sarc. 

That was a fun.  Nice little morning pick me up.  Somebody that behaves as crassly as you do on a daily basis should resist challenging people to find examples of your 'blue' behavior.

As for FoxNews, I fail to see what their ratings has to do with their credibility.  How is what you wrote in any way a retort to my original post?

I never said anythign about Foxnews's rating.  I was merely referring to the unabashed conservative bias found at both the Post (worst newspaper ever) & the FoxNews.  They don't even hide the fact that they are simply nothing more than outlets for propaganda.

As people on the NB are wont to proclaim, FoxNews can be biased, they aren't in the MSM anyways.  Neither is the Post.  And it seems to me that the same fate will befall the already conservative WSJ. 

So again, who cares about FoxNews' ratings?  Guess what else has high ratings...Professional Wrestling.

Leon the fat hater

Are you still feelin all special inside because you pointed out I called somebody who was behaving like an arrogant prick, and arrogant prick?  As for your snarky claim that the WSJ is going to evolve into the 'joke' that FOX news is; why haven't we heard anything from the left about WSJ until Rupert was in the midst of purchasing it?  FOX news is by FAR more balnced than all the other networks combined.   You people never cease to amaze me.  You have virtually ALL of the other media oputlets, and yet you feel threatened by a single network, obviously. Why?  The left get all bent out of shape when things are not going their way 100% of the time.  It was stolen.  We were tricked.  There is a MASSIVE conspiracy.  It's not fair.  They are criminals.  Our message was not clear enough.  I want a recount...  and ON and ON and ON

Just STFU, and move on.

How can you say rating have nothingt to do with it?  Are you retarded?  FOX news is just as sensational as the other nets, yet they seem to be destroying the competition.  I wonder why that is?  Could it be they have correctly calibrated their coverage to satisfy, and INFORM, more Democrat and Republican viewers?  Nah..  That can't be.  After all, FOX is only watched by gun toting, knuckle dragging, filthy Wal-Mart shopping, CONSERVATIVES. 

 

What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.

Six String,Getting your

Six String,

Getting your ramble on today eh? 

I'll address your only question that has anything to do with my post:

Why haven't we heard anything from the left about the WSJ until Rupert was in the midst of purchasing it? (ps this is a joke question I think but I'll bite)

THE ONLY REASON you're hearing anything from the left about the WSJ is BECAUSE RUPERT is purchasing it.  That's why you never heard anything before.  This is clear as day. 

Rupert is the X-Factor.  Everything he touches turns to cheap conservative propaganda.  That's why the left suddenly cares.  That's why you never heard anything before.  Of course the WSJ was conservative, but it was a great paper.  We can only hope it doesn't suffer at the hands of the Vince McMahon of the news world.

As for FoxNews, sorry, I can't bring myself to respect a 'news' station that has a show called REDEYE featuring a delightfully deviant QUEEN and that launched a terrible fake news show (in response to COMEDY CENTRAL nonetheless) featuring a strikingly tawdry laugh track.  FoxNews doesn't even try to hide it's bias.  Which is fine with me.  At least I know where they stand.

And the Post.  Please, not even worth commenting. 

I'm not bent out of shape because 'things aren't going my way'.  I'm bent out of shape b/c the 2007 P.T. Barnum bought my favorite newspaper.

Ramble?

I see....  Dismantling your claims is rambling.  that sounds about right for lefties.  You hate FOX because it has a stupid show that just launched?  Give me a break?  How old are you? 

Yeah, not 'worth' responding because you can defend yourself. 

Since you claim FOXnews is not news, why don't you explain why?  Give me some examples of what YOU think news is.  While you're at it, list some other networks that feature panels with balanced participants, and not 3 on 1, or 4 - 1, like they all do.  I bet you are for the 'fairness' doctrine also...

 

What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.

What claims have you

What claims have you dismantled?

I said FoxNews is biased, you said it isn't.

You haven't provided any evidence to contradict my claim.  Meanwhile, I posted two examples of FoxNews questionable credibility.  A bizarre but blatantly conservative late night show filled with repressed sexual inuendo (a favorite of conservatives) and a conservative fake news show whose only goal is to pathetically attempt to bash left-leaning politicians with luke warm oft-recycled jokes.

Should I continue the list of shows exhibiting undeniable conservative bias found on FoxNews?  Ok.

1)  Fox & Friends
2)  Studio B
3)  Your World with Neil Cavuto
4)  Big Story with John Gibson
5)  Special Report with Brit Hume
6)  Fox Report with Shepard Smith
7)  O'Reilly Factor
8)  Hannity and Colmes (*don't even tell me that Colmes provides balance...that guy couldn't buy a back bone)
9)  On the Road with Greta

Oh wait, that's every single show!  And if you want to get crazy, I'll post examples of blatant bias from each and every show listd above (although that will have to come later today.  Too much work this morning)

So, where's the dismantling? 

Seems Leon Watches FOX Alot!

 Did you not read my request to you?

"While you're at it, list some other networks that feature panels with balanced participants, and not 3 on 1, or 4 - 1, like they all do."  

As for dismantling you, again, You have yet to rebuke my assertion that obviously Democrats and Repubs alike seem to watch FOX news, as your listing of all shows on the channel seems to prove my point.  You have not addressed that yet.  By the way, I am not claiming FOX is evenly balanced by any stretch of the imagination, but ANYTHING is more blanaced than the other nets.  How many time do you hear an actual DIFFERENT opinion from the other nets?  One would only have to watch a single network because the same message is reverberated throughout all of them. 

 

What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.

Spiff, I have no idea

Spiff,

I have no idea what you are debating. You're all over the place.

I never denied that FoxNews was popular.  I know many people who watch (although for vastly different reasons).

It's wildly successful. 

AND this success is due largely to it's blatant bias.  Cons love it b/c it allows them to rationalize irrational beliefs by providing the necessary propaganda and Libs love it b/c it's funny that Cons actually believe what they see on FoxNews. 

Why do I have to rebuke your assertion that dems and repubs watch FoxNews when I never claimed that they didn't?  Explain yourself.

Oh and ps, I saw your cute little woodshed leo worship.  Do you really think that your posts aren't an embarssment?  You really think it's ok to use profanity and constant personal attacks?  If so, then you are delusional.  Find me one other poster that behaves as ill-mannered and classless as you.  (Just today you asked me if I was retarded - wow, classy.  Not embarassing at all.  Esp. considering statistically speaking there is prob. several people reading this site raising disabled children to whom that term is wildly offensive)

You can dish it but you can't take it.

Leon, if you say something as stupid as you did, expect to be made fun of.  It's not my fault you suck.  The reason why I brought up the fact that reps and Dems alike watch FOX is because that proves it can keep an audience, and not just propagandize like you claim.  Do you call everythng you don't agree with, propaganda? 

PS.  Quit with the whining and complaining about my using satire, when you are one of the snarkiest posters on here.  Don't even think you are on some moral high ground because I asked you if you were retrded.  It's called a rhetorical question.  One more thing.  Stop dancing around my posts and picking out irrelevant things to criticize.  We are  here to debate IDEAS, not minor use of profanity.  So I say sh*t sometimes.. Whooo hoo hoo.. Gimmie a break, dude.

 

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You dismantle yourself

By making your list of FOX News programs above, you have also listed nearly all of the top ten news programs on Television.  You seem to confuse "blatant bias" with accurate reporting of the news.  Like most liberals, facts scare you, and forcing a reporter to leave his MacBook and leave his mommies basement to go out and really investigate a story is just wrong.  You list Special Report with Britt Hume as biased.  Well, there's probably not a more accurate news cast on the air.  And when Mr. Hume puts a panel of 4 news people together, (which he does every night if you watch), he always has two from the left and two from the right.  Another funny thing I saw in your post is this;

8)  Hannity and Colmes (*don't even tell me that Colmes provides balance...that guy couldn't buy a back bone)

In other words, Colmes is the typical gelatinous mass called a liberal, and you only notice it because his counterpoint is rediculous against facts.  You don't notice it anywhere else in your world because all you hear is lefty talking points.  Whether you like it or not, FOX News is number one because the majority of households that watch news programs trust them because they don't present a blatantly biased show.  You may think they are biased, but in the real world they speak as close to the truth as you can get.  The networks long ago lost the common man because they can't report the truth.  Blame Dan Rather.  We do.

Leon - Fox less bias than networks

Leon your list is not accurate. First #'s 2,6 & 9 have a liberal slant. In addition Heartland and Geraldo are also liberal slants.

The shows that are pretty nuetral are Chris Wallace Fox News Sunday, Hannity and Colmes and O'Reilly. Chris Wallace's show is the most professional of the three, but O'reilly is not a conservative and if anything he has more liberals on his show.

Even the conservative slanted shows on FNC (because the host is conservative) always put up someone representing the other side. The networks don't do that.

Where is the counter balance to shows like Boston Legal, Brothers & Sisters, West Wing, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Sat night live and numerous others that portray conservatives as idiots? What shows are there that portray liberals as idiots?

Then the news programs (local and national) are all left wing.They don't have a panel like Brit Hume does to give liberals their say. What news program or news magazine show has a conservative consultant or expert as a regular contributor? None. The closest thing is John Stossel on 20/20 and he is libertarian.

And boy, does Stossel ever

And boy, does Stossel ever elicit the whine-factor from all sorts of people!!!
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I like Stossel. Even though

I like Stossel. Even though I don't always agree with him, he always has some semblance of common sense and he doesn't pander to anyone.

Dee the fact the dumb cluck

Dee the fact the dumb cluck includes Hannity & Colmes in his McCarthyesque blacklist, just shows he's not a serious commentator here.

Whether Colmes is or is not an effective lib***l would seem to be irrelevant to the subject. Elizabeth Hasselbeck is hardly an effective "conservative."

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Right Jack - and Colmes

Right Jack - and Colmes states all their talking points. Just because he's not charismatic doesn't mean he doesn't get to get his points accross. Conservatives get absolutely nothing on the networks. Yeah that is real fair.

And Hasselbeck has no poltical background like Colmes does. I noticed that Leon left. I guess he couldn't come up with any conservatives or conservative shows on the networks.

Shep Smith has a conservative bias?

Shep Smith has a conservative bias?  

Greta has a conservative bias?  

hahahahaha!

And Leon expects to be taken seriously?

Wrong, Colmes doesn't

Wrong,

Colmes doesn't function as a liberal. 

His only function is so that people can claim the show is balanced.  He's a token liberal that you all can point to and say, see despite the overwhelming conservative bias on the Hannity show, there IS a liberal, so it's balanced.

 

That is crazy Leon

Colmes always states the liberal position and half of the guests are liberal. What network show gives us a "Token" conservative? I'd love one of those.

Where arrreee youoo Leon? Chirp chirp!!

So, Leon.  I expect you have an extravagant list off ALL the shows that the other networks have that come remotely close to FOX's panels?  Yeah.... that's what I thought. 

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six -- Aren't most lib***ls

six -- Aren't most lib***ls tokin' something or other.

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Tokin libs

Yes.  I would agree with that.  This one is evidently smoking "La kooka ganja"...

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leon-- Fox

 leon-- Fox

 I cannot address all your claims , but

Shepard Smith-- a liberal, but hardnews reporter.

Greta--rarely watch, but definitely left leaning.

 O'Reilly -about 70% conservative but over the top on the other 30%. At one time, my favorite opinion show, but since he started chafing his lips on Al Sharpton's ass and taking strong positions on "hate crimes", I have gone from a 5 night a week to a 2 night a week viewer.

Hannity and Colmes--Hannity extreme right--Colmes extreme left. Between them they get me to watch once a month.

Cavuto, F&F--don't know--NEVER watched

Brit Hume --conservative --calm not a raver like Hannity--good points all the time.

Gibson--mostly straight forward--occasionally conservative.

Lastly --what's wrong with being conservative about the well-being of America???

 

PS The "agenda" that Murdoch will "force" on the WSJ, will be one that increases circulation not people's political opinions. I , for one  always thought they needed a comics page.

 

 

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reading comprehension skills... or lack thereof

One question?  You obviously are reading what you want to see.  There is more than one question in there.  Try real hard and find them.  I talk about news and you bring up some dumb skit program...  Relevance?

 

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No Spiff, I was right. 

No Spiff,

I was right.  As I said, there was only one question that related to my post.  And I answered it. 

You're clearly ignoring my answer because it points out how silly your original question was.  ha.

You would actually have to

Ah well, I'd probably sell all of my credibility for $5 billion too! - Leon 

First, you would actually have to have some to sell.