WaPo’s Eugene Robinson Joins Olbermann in Linking Giffords Shooting to Political Rhetoric
Appearing as a guest on Saturday’s special edition of Countdown on MSNBC, Washington Post associate editor Eugene Robinson joined host Keith Olbermann in linking the violent attack on Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords to political rhetoric, presumably by conservatives, and suggested that such public figures must be careful to avoid inciting mentally disturbed individuals. Moments after noting comments by Pima County, Arizona, Sheriff Clarence Dupnik complaining about violent rhetoric on radio and television, Olbermann brought aboard Robinson for further discussion.
While Olbermann at one pointed noted that "We don't know enough about the motives of the man they have in custody," he later posed, "I've never been convinced still that most of the people saying these things actually want to see people shot. What, though, does that matter at this point if people are being shot? How straight a line does it have to be from the one to the other?"
Robinson asserted that "intent doesn’t obviate the crime," and linked political rhetoric to violence by the mentally ill with guns:
Well, I think this is a case in which intent doesn't obviate the crime. No, I think most of these people who say these violent sounding things about how evil your government is and what it's doing to you and who quote Thomas Jefferson about democracy needing to be watered by the blood of patriots and that sort of thing, I don't think they actually intend people to take this seriously, but it can and there are people who are unbalanced who have access to guns who do take it seriously, and we should know that by now.
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the special Saturday, January 8, edition of MSNBC’s Countdown show:
KEITH OLBERMANN: And then the sheriff said something extraordinary. He blamed in some sense the events of the day on the rhetoric of those in the radio business and some in the television business and said that it may be free speech, but it does not come without consequences.
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OLBERMANN: Let me turn now to Gene Robinson, MSNBC political analyst and associate editor and Pulitzer prize-winning columnist of the Washington Post. Gene, good evening.
EUGENE ROBINSON: Good evening, Keith, on a very shocking and sad day.
OLBERMANN: And extraordinary one. Threats of violence against a member of Congress, that's nothing new. As the sheriff said, everybody in public office seems to be getting one a day now. Rarely in U.S. history has it gotten to this level of violence. This is only the sixth shooting of a sitting Congressperson. What are we seeing here tonight, Gene?
EUGENE ROBINSON, WASHINGTON POST: I think this is just extraordinary. Keith, you point to the quote from Sheriff Dupnik that I thought was just extraordinary. He said, I'm not aware of any public officials who are not receiving threats. Stand back from that for a minute and think about it for a minute. That is an extraordinary state of affairs that, to run for public office and to win public office, is to have your life threatened. That is the condition that you sign up for when you run for Congress. That's extraordinary, and that it takes something like what happened today to make us stop and say that is unacceptable. If that's the case, then shame on me, shame on all of us, and I mean all Americans, for having to be shocked back to that realization by tragic events like those we saw today in Tucson.
OLBERMANN: This is something, while she was still Speaker, that Nancy Pelosi warned about. September of 2009, the climate in this country was like it was in the late '70s in San Francisco when, as you and I will recall and perhaps some of our viewers do not, the murder of Mayor George Moscone and the murder of councilman Harvey Milk, the first openly gay leader of San Francisco's local government on a tragic Monday night in 1978 by another member of the council. Others have likened this to the '60s civil rights era. We don't know enough about the motives of the man they have in custody. There are hints around the edges that are very disturbing. Can you assess where we are in this era of politics?
ROBINSON: Look, first of all, I think we should take note of the fact that it is almost invariably the mentally disturbed or upset who are most susceptible to vitriolic political rhetoric and who take it seriously. Who might, for example, and I say might, we are not, we have no idea that this happened, but who might look at cross hairs on a map and take that seriously. It's not people who are on an even keel who believe that. It's people who are disturbed. So it's not at all surprising that some of what we see from the suspect is, sounds kind of deranged. Now, you and I do remember a period in the '60s and '70s where in general the political violence and the threat of political violence and violent political rhetoric came mostly from the left. And actually the Milk and Moscone murders in San Francisco, I happened to be in San Francisco at the time working for the San Francisco Chronicle. That was kind of anomalous, and certainly in the years before that it was a time when Bill Ayers was relevant and dangerous, a time when there was an actual Black Panther Party as opposed to an imaginary New Black Panther Party. But today I think we can say incontrovertibly that violent political rhetoric and the threat of political violence comes exclusively from the right. And so that's the kind of apocalyptic rhetoric, anti-government, take it back, protect your guns, and that I think is what some people, unfortunately, are susceptible to.
OLBERMANN: I can't and have never come close to believing that any of the people who put that rhetoric out there, with the exception of the real, the fringe ones who the government has done both under this administration and to its credit under the Republican administrations of Mr. Bush and the previous President Bush and even President Reagan, I thought they'd all done good jobs taking care of the extreme rhetoric, the ones that are clearly incitements to, you know, attack an individual, the clear straight-line provocations. But I've never been convinced that the other people who say these things, whether they're in politics, whether they're in broadcasting, and it was extraordinary to hear the sheriff talk, specifically call out people in radio and some people in television. I don't think there's any question about who he was talking to, and talking about Arizona becoming the Mecca of prejudice and bigotry. I've never been convinced still that most of the people saying these things actually want to see people shot. What, though, does that matter at this point if people are being shot? How straight a line does it have to be from the one to the other?
ROBINSON: Well, I think this is a case in which intent doesn't obviate the crime. No, I think most of these people who say these violent sounding things about how evil your government is and what it's doing to you and who quote Thomas Jefferson about democracy needing to be watered by the blood of patriots and that sort of thing, I don't think they actually intend people to take this seriously, but it can and there are people who are unbalanced who have access to guns who do take it seriously, and we should know that by now. And so we should, frankly, temper our rhetoric, all of us, to take into account the fact that we're not supposed to have this sort of hatred in us for a different political view. We can argue and we can argue vociferously and strenuously and filibuster and everything else, but there are people out there who do take it seriously, and we see it again and again, and we don't seem to learn that lesson.
OLBERMANN: What do we do about it apart from appealing to the better angels of people who speak that way and their nature?
ROBINSON: What do we do about it? Well, it starts, I think, with each of us, and again, I'm speaking very broadly about not just about those of us who either write columns or talk on television or have loud voices but also people who go to town hall meetings and people who talk to their neighbors about politics and whatever. It should, we should all take a look in a mirror, and we should think about what Sheriff Dupnik said, which is, you know, vitriol, it may be free speech, but words do have consequences. They do have consequences. And we should reflect on that. Beyond that, you can't legislate. I think we have to legislate for ourselves morally.
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Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer Prize Winner and Ass. Editor WAPO
Submitted by wedapeople on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:26pm.
AKA the smartest guy on PMSNBC, etal:
http://www.breitbart.tv/msnbc-asserts-violent-rhetoric-exclusively-from-...
Lets not forget this award winning film:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_%282006_film%29
Keef..............blaming
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:30pm.
Keef..............blaming something on 'political rhetoric'????? I'm waiting for that Fargo Fatass, Sgt. 'I know nosssseeeeeng' Shultz to come up with the same conclusion!!!
Delusional morons.............
Make-believe
Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:33pm.
"a time when there was an actual Black Panther Party as opposed to an imaginary New Black Panther Party."
Those thugs at the polling place were mirages. And with all the examples of violent imagery used by the left is chronicled, Olbermann said any violence as a result of that from the left is "mild" and "inadvertent".
You know, harmless violence. When they have a "fantasy assassination video" of President Bush, they didn't really mean it.
BTW, Stephy was very impressed with Olbie
Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:36pm.
On ABC George Stephy couldn't help but praise Keith Olbermann for promising to be a good boy from now on. Of course, George was implying shouldn't Rush Limbaugh and Bill OReilly and Glenn Beck promise to be good from now on, too? After he as much as stated the Republican Congress should fold their agenda in the spirit of harmony.
Keep it up, Eugene
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 5:38pm.
Who knows? Maybe you can wrangle another Putzlicker Prize fo yo bad sef.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I'd have been surprised if Robinson didn't open his mouth
Submitted by Galvanic on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:26pm.
The Left has been looking for a hook on the Tea Parties for many months. That's why they laid out their marker early, warning about the "consequences" of conservative speech and Tea PArty themes: They've been planning (some even hoping) for a tragic event to capitalize on.
I expect that many are celebrating this event because they think it provides leverage they hadn't had before. Note how they focus on the "climate" of political discourse rather than the killer himself. They'll continue to demonize the Tea Parties hoping to draw supporters away.
All this before the motives of the killer remain unknown.
I keep waiting for any kind of substantive connection...
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:44pm.
...between this psycho and the Tea Party to be reported.
I don't even think these media clowns care that the have zero credibility left. They just like throwing red meat to the other nutjobs on the far left. "IT'S PALIN'S FAULT!!!!"
If it weren't for the fact.....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:26pm.
that Washington and the rest of those blaming this tragedy on "political rhetoric" have no shame, I'd say, "Shame on you, Mr. Washington. Shame on you an Krugman and the rest of you left-wing progressive hacks."
But, somehow they just can't bring themselves to admit that Army Major Nadal Malik Hasan, who shouted "Alahu Akbar" while killing 14 people at Ft. Hood, Texas, was a MUSLIM TERRORIST!
Geno trained under the great Sensei Kili
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:33pm.
Behold.
Is there an outlet on the planet that spews more incendiary...
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 6:40pm.
Is there an outlet on the planet that spews more incendiary rhetoric than MS-NBC?
What a bunch of hypocrites. Robinson and friggin' Olbermann condemning heated rhetoric? Seriously?
Looks like this is the OFFICIAL passing of the baton
Submitted by gopcongress on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:07pm.
Looks like this tragic event marks, for good, the OFFICIAL bassing of the baton from the Bush/Cheney "cabal" to Sarah Palin as the lightning rod of socialist hatred, until a GOP candidate is running in the general election.
"The news and truth are not the same thing." -Walter Lippmann (1889-1974) FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER
Robinson is a black racist
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:13pm.
Robinson is a black racist that has no legitimate right to pontificate on any topic involving America or Americans.
He has irrefutably proven time & time again that he does not consider himself to be an American that just happens to be black, but rather as a black man who has the misfortune of living in white America.
He delusional hatred toward people not of color is on par with that of the Ass Clown that inhabits our White House and must be reputiated by all real Americans no matter the color of ones skin.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Which sounds more
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:12pm.
Which sounds more accurate?
Olbermann and MSNBC are certainly the place where people should turn to get fair and thoughtful analysis on events such as this.
or
olbermann and MSNBC are certainly tthe place where crazy liberals should turn to gleefully celebrate the contrived opportunity to exploit a bloody atrocity to advance liberalism and the democratic party.
The fact that Olbermann
Submitted by Cowboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 11:06pm.
The fact that Olbermann speaks of 'better angels' pretty much says it all.
Don't allow the libs to get
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:57am.
Don't allow the libs to get away with the unhinged spin. Here are a plethora of materials of which they (liberal MSM and politicians) are either forgetting or intentionally ignoring:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/