On CNN, Reuters’ Freeland Praises Obamacare, Claims Universal Coverage Makes Europe More Competitive Than U.S.
Appearing as a guest on Monday’s Parker-Spitzer on CNN, Chrystia Freeland of Reuters claimed that the European economy is at an advantage compared to the U.S. because of America’s lack of universal health care. But, when fellow guest Will Cain of the National Review pointed out that America’s economy outperforms Europe, Freeland was only able to name one nation in Europe - Germany - whose economy is performing impressively. Freeland: "I also think it’s a little bit of a mistake to be talking about how bad European economies have been doing recently. ... if you look at the industrialized nations, Germany is racing ahead. German economic growth is on a tear, so is Canadian-
Cain jumped in: "I commend you on your choice of Germany, but you picked the one out of about 12."
Freeland persisted in promoting Germany as co-host Eliot Spitzer jumped in to agree:
CHRYSTIA FREELAND: Yeah, but Germany is doing fantastically well.
ELIOT SPITZER: And Germany is the largest economy in Europe and the one that is driving the export-driven economy where their labor capital relationship is very much one that follows the blueprint of a global, of universal health care.
Cain quipped: "Good job, guys, on using Germany. I’ve got Greece, Spain, U.K., France, all with universal health care, expansive health care coverages, and their economies are literally imploding."
Spitzer had begun the segment by posing the question: "Competitiveness internationally perhaps the dominant issue facing the United States as you look forward for 20 years. Have we done anything in the last two years to begin to turn the battleship on that critical issue?"
Freeland praised Obamacare and commended the universal health care of Europe and Canada: "One is health care reform. Not a very good reform effort, but at least the President tried, and something that I think Americans miss is compared to other western industrialized nations, not having universal health care really limits mobility of labor. It makes it harder for people to start their own businesses and it hurts big companies. So if you look at the car companies, Ontario is doing better for the big car companies than Michigan is right now."
After Freeland also brought up education, Cain responded: "Chrystia made two points, one of which I agree with vigorously, which is the point on education. But the first point on health care boggles my mind. So let me get this straight: One of the things keeping us back from being globally competitive is the fact that we don’t have universal health care."
He continued: "For the past 50 years to 100 years, the United States economy has basically owned the world while we have lacked universal health care system and every other economy has had it, Europe included. So as we’ve seen our economy do this over the last 50 years and we’ve seen Europe’s do this, how is it the economy that doesn’t have universal health care is lacking?"
Freeland responded: "I would disagree with your historical analogy because it’s not the case that Europeans have had universal health care or Canadians, for that matter, for the past 100 years. I also think it’s a little bit of a mistake to be talking about how bad European economies have been doing recently."
After Cain incredulously responded, "Really," Freeland brought up Germany. Freeland: "Yes, if you look at industrialized nations, Germany is racing ahead. German economic growth is on a tear."
Cain: "I commend you on your choice of Germany, but you picked the one out of about 12." Freeland persisted: "Yeah, but Germany is doing fantastically well."
After Spitzer voiced agreement with Freeland, Cain continued: "Good job, guys, on using Germany. I’ve got Greece, Spain, U.K., France, all with universal health care, expansive health care coverages and their economies are literally imploding.
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Monday, December 27, Parker-Spitzer on CNN:
ELIOT SPITZER: Despite a round of legislative victories for President Obama the last few weeks, resuscitating the middle class remains an elusive goal for his administration. Unemployment is stubbornly high, and there’s a sense that the United States continues to lose the advantages it used to have in a world of heightened global competition.
KATHLEEN PARKER: So what can be done to ignite the economy? Joining us to talk about that and other political matters are Chrystia Freeland, global editor at large for Reuters; Steve Kornacki, news editor and columnist at Salon.com; and Will Cain, host of "Off the Page" at Nationalreview.com. Welcome all of you.
STEVE KORNACKI, NEWS EDITOR, SALON.COM: Thanks, Kathleen.
CHRYSTIA FREELAND, EDITOR AT LARGE OF REUTERS: Great to be here.
PARKER: Thanks for coming through the blizzard to be with us.
SPITZER: So, Chrystia, let’s start with you. Competitiveness internationally perhaps the dominant issue facing the United States as you look forward for 20 years. Have we done anything in the last two years to begin to turn the battleship on that critical issue?
FREELAND: Two important things.
SPITZER: Yup.
FREELAND: One is health care reform. Not a very good reform effort, but at least the President tried, and something that I think Americans miss is compared to other western industrialized nations, not having universal health care really limits mobility of labor. It makes it harder for people to start their own businesses and it hurts big companies. So if you look at the car companies, Ontario is doing better for the big car companies than Michigan is right now. And part of the reason is, the biggest reason-
SPITZER: So health care was one step.
FREELAND: They don’t have that burden. One step. And the second thing is something we don’t talk about that much. I think the Race to the Top education reform has been a very important and promising first step, probably more important than health care because one of the scary things that we’ve seen is that America is falling behind so many countries in education, behind China now actually in some of the latest results.
CAIN: Chrystia made two points, one of which I agree with vigorously which is the point on education. But the first point on health care boggles my mind. So let me get this straight: One of the things keeping us back from being globally competitive is the fact that we don’t have universal health care. And yet, hold on.
FREELAND: It’s the fact that America spends more on health care and gets poorer results than any other country.
CAIN: Hold on, hold on, Chrystia, I’m confident in what I have to say, and I’m sure you as well. Let me finish. For the past 50 years to 100 years, the United States economy has basically owned the world while we have lacked universal health care system and every other economy has had it, Europe included. So as we’ve seen our economy do this over the last 50 years and we’ve seen Europe’s do this, how is it the economy that doesn’t have universal health care is lacking?
FREELAND: Okay, well, first of all, I would disagree with your historical analogy because it’s not the case that Europeans have had universal health care or Canadians, for that matter, for the past 100 years. I also think it’s a lit bit of a mistake to be talking about how bad European economies have been doing recently. I mean, if you look at the-
CAIN: Really?
FREELAND: Yes, if you look at industrialized nations, Germany is racing ahead. German economic growth is on a tear. So is Canadian-
CAIN: I commend you on your choice of Germany, but you picked the one out of about 12.
FREELAND: Yeah, but Germany is doing fantastically well.
SPITZER: And Germany is the largest economy in Europe and the one that is driving the export-driven economy where their labor capital relationship is very much one that follows the blueprint of a global, of universal health care.
CAIN: Good job, guys, on using Germany. I’ve got Greece, Spain, U.K., France, all with universal health care, expansive health care coverages-
FREELAND How about Canada there? Canada has universal health care, too.
CAIN: -and their economies are literally imploding.
FREELAND: And that’s because they have universal health care that their economies aren’t working? I mean, come on.
SPITZER: Steve, I know I, let me see if I can get a part of agreement here. Do you agree, though, Will, that the cost of our health care system, the lack of its universality and the, as Chrystia said, the inability of people to move and they’re being locked into businesses has been an impediment to both capital formation and creating new businesses. You may disagree with the solution but you agree with that diagnosis?
CAIN: Yes, yes, and I think the answer to that is not to further lock people into other third parties, i.e., the government, but to decouple it from any form of employment. So have people buy their own plans and then you own it no matter who your employer is.
SPITZER: That was part of this as well. This was not universal in terms of single payer.
CAIN: You just shift it to third parties.
SPITZER: No, no, no, no, no.
CAIN: You shifted it from the business owners to the government.
SPITZER: No, no, what we are, what Chrystia said and what this plan does is permit people to buy on their own. It does not mandate a single payer. Then your critique would have been right. But that’s not what this does. So I think Chrystia’s point about putting in place health care that can lower costd is something you agree with conceptually.
CAIN: And the point I’m disagreeing with Chrystia to be specific is that the lack of universal health care is not what’s holding the U.S. economy back.
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It's almost too easy to
Submitted by Edhenry on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:13pm.
It's almost too easy to defeat a liberal on economics, particularly job creation and competitiveness; anytime, any issue, anywhere.
German Dystopia
Submitted by libBuster on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:14pm.
Funny, my relatives in Germany, who are quite liberal say it resembles a dystopia. Opportunity has dried up.
Germany has been "belt
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:19pm.
Germany has been "belt tightening" for years. Now the "experts (like George Soros) want Germany to do more "redistribution". So much for that recovery!
Freeland is just one more
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:20pm.
Freeland is just one more foreign America hating interloper pawning herself off as an American.
All of these outside political instigators should be forced to acknowledge their country of origin before pontificating.
If this rule was in place we wouldn't be stuck with the Ass Clown in our White House.
What you don't know CAN hurt you.........possibly to death.
Barack_Must_Go.....
PowerPoint-deep
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:21pm.
Spitzer and Freeland are speaking in PowerPoint bullets, which is probably the depth of their knowledge about the EU and economics. It's easy to look at success and misidentify the cause if what one really wants to do is champion an issue. It stems from the same kind of reasoning that believes an auto accident is an economic stimulus because it generates work for medical and auto-shop businesses.
Cain pointed out the weakness in their argument.
wtf?
Submitted by Vic138 on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:38pm.
Germany is dominating the eurozone. Most of their exports are going to european nations and that is helped by the common currency.
Saying this is mainly due to universal healthcare is as absurd as ignoring all the other coutries in the eurozone, including england.
If I was the moderator I would never invite her back.
EU bailed out
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:50pm.
Didn't the EU(of which Germany is a part of) get bailed out by the US/China?
-Jon
When exactly?
Submitted by Francisco on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:38pm.
I know Greece was bailed out partially through the IMF and Ireland is pondering it also, but the EU as a whole? Most of the money for the Ireland and Greece come from Germany anyway (part of which, if you really follow the graph to the end, might come from China). I'm talking about state players, of course, if you're talking about private lenders they come from pretty much everywhere, but it cannot really be considered a "bailout" Unless, of course, you're talking about the Marshall Plan, in which case, thanks again!Yes Jon. The EU has needed
Submitted by bassndude on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 3:03pm.
Yes Jon. The EU has needed constant influx of money. If not for the US and the British Sterling and Pound, the EU would not be around now.
Germany's health care is not what they tout it to be either. Doc's are few and far between. And if you can get into see one in less than a week, your lucky.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
What about illegal immigrants?
Submitted by KyWriter on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:52pm.
Health and social insurance has been around in Germany since the 1880's and they have indeed produced one of the best systems on the planet, but what is missing in this discussion is the role of illegal immigrants. In Germany, if you do not have a valid ID, you do not get health care unless you pay for it in cash. While it is true that, as it is in the US, ER's will perform emergency procedures with or without an ID, after treatment an illegal alien will be turned over to the authorities and he or she will be sent home. There are many aspects of the German system that the US could learn from, but don't expect the liberal mentality to ever accept this one.
German health care has been
Submitted by Old Europe on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:15pm.
German health care has been decaying ever since it was introduced in the 19th century. The deficits keep rising, hospital staff is continuously reduced because NHC pays doctors and hospitals just too little. Very reminiscent of the Medicare and Medicaid debacle. Friends of mine who are nurses have to work unpaid overtime and some of them have already given up their profession and others are considering leaving. Doctors are leaving the country in droves to look for better pay and working hours abroad. Every year, a new deficit appears. For 2011, analysts are projecting a deficit to the tune of 11 billion Euro. What happens now? The same old: They are raising the employee's premiums for 0.6% to over 15% of their gross income. And yet year by year the premiums keep going up and the deficit keeps growing. At the same time, the NHC cuts back on its policies and people get fewer treatments paid. Drug companies are forced to lower their prices (talk about planned economy) and nobody who earns less than 50.000 Euro a year is allowed to leave national health care. Only people earning more than that can get private health care. Also, private insurers pay doctors higher premiums and that's why they get preferred treatment. It's private insurers who keep hospitals and practices alive!
The basic flaw of this system is that you can go see your doctor as many times as you want and you still pay the same premium every month. No matter how insignificant your illness or injury is, you can go see your GP. Many old peole see their doctor out of sheer boredom. And guess who has to foot the bill for their cosy chats? We the people! Imagine a car insurance that would cover every single checkup at the garage! Either the insurance company would go broke or they would raise your premiums tenfold!
Wherever NHC has been introduced, it eventually becomes the no1 topic at any election. America, do not let this happen.
Good post, but may I add that...
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:46pm.
Leftists have an obsessive devotion to Europe; anything the Europeans do, we MUST do.
Leftists, I don't think (for a second) know how Germany's system of babying works. It's this: if you make less than 48,000 euros a year, die Krankenhaus and doctors and nurses and so forth are all 100% "free". You make more than 48,000 a year? You are on your own. Too bad.
And even THEN, Germany, as good as their economy is at the moment, continually violated the very foundation of the Euro: the Stability and Growth Pact, which requires Euro-member countries to hold their budget deficits at 3% of GDP. I don't think the major players in the euro zone (like Germany and France) have followed this a single time. They can't; not with millions of citizens to baby endlessly.
It seems that these idiot commentators also missed what the first piece of advice was to Greece when they first entered their financial crisis and entered into austerity: "Privatize your medical system".
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Our economy...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:20pm.
...is doing reletively well (not perfect, but better than the U.S. - IMHO) NOT because we have universal health care, but IN SPITE of it! Combined levels of government taxation are inhibiting our economy from performing even better.
We have municipal, provincial, and federal taxes, not to mention the GST/PST, the HST, and whatever else they can think of next, like being double-taxed on gasoline, making us pay more than $1.15 a liter (I SAID "LITRE", folks. Do the conversion. It takes 3.785 litres to make 1 U.S. Gallon. That means with our mutual currency exchange rate at near parity, a gallon of gas up here costs about $4.35 a gallon!) resulting in apr 60% of our income being taxed.
We've been cutting cost (even to our "social safety net" like health care) to the bare bones since the mid-90's which is the only reason our economy isn't imploding like it is in most of Europe.
Yet we still have this massive half-trillion dollar debt that still needs to be paid off. (A half-trillion may not sound like much compared to the U.S. Debt, but consider that the entire population of Canada is comperable to that of the state of California.)
Hey... My byline came back!!!
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
In 19 years, ON shall pay!
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:49pm.
DumbCanuck, good to see you again. I bet you guys can't wait for 2030, when 80% of the Ontario budget is going straight to baby people with "free" health care. (This according to an issue of The Economist some months back.)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Makes Europe more competitive?
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:56pm.
You mean the Europe that is collapsing financially and rioting in the streets? Is that the Europe you refer to?
How about lowering the cost to do business to make I competitive? Oh not that. Someone might make a profit then and that's evil.
Better to rob from one group and give it to another. This reminds me of that Thatcher quote about the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money.
I don't know if we're governed by liars or morons (or both).
The other point missing is
Submitted by Free Thinker on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:46pm.
The other point missing is the only reason Germany, or any other European state, has the ability to offer universal health coverage is that the American taxpayer subsidizes it due to us covering their national security through our military. A point the left always seem to conveniently leave out.
Explanation required
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 7:27am.
That means we have to explain how Sweden and Finland do it then.
Governments in Europe are out to baby people, and this has been the case even before NATO.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
At least he tried
Submitted by Model850 on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 3:34pm.
FREELAND: One is health care reform. Not a very good reform effort, but at least the President tried....
Oh, well. That's what's important. He tried.
To Freeland it's irrelevant that most Americans believe he failed.
Is she in charge of handing out the "self-esteem" awards at the local school? "Well, Johnny, you failed miserably, but at least you tried. Here's a trophy for you.
FREELAND: Just another lying liberal
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 12/28/2010 - 9:00pm.
"FREELAND: It’s the fact that America spends more on health care and gets poorer results than any other country."
Sorry sweetie, but that's not a fact. It is, in fact, a lie.
You have to love this morons doubletalk too. On the one hand, Germany is booming because of universal health care, but on the other hand, all the other countries in the EU can't be doing poorly because of universal health care, lol.
Germany has had a decent economy RECENTLY.....say, over the past two or three years. Before that, it has been fairly stagnant.
Hate is a strong word, but man, I hate liberals.Insurance Immobility is ENTIRELY the Government's Fault
Submitted by freecitizen on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 6:13am.
Arguing for universal healthcare in terms of labor mobility is completely unethical. It is government interference in the market via the tax code that inhibits the individual insurance market and ties your health insurance to your employer in the first place.
It's like they are punching you in the face and offering to kick you in the groin instead by saying, "at least there won't be any more of that awful punching in the face."
If they REALLY cared...
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 9:22am.
If these jokers REALLY wanted to see a drastic decline in the numbers of people without medical insurance, all they need to do is begin treating the industry as any other insurance program.
Think of it. How many of you NBers rely on your employer to provide your auto/property/life insurance? Or...do you go out and buy that on your own?
If you have been fired or laid off or quit...do you lose your auto/life/property insurance?
Organize medical insurance along the lines of other insurance programs. You have a pre-existing condition? Great, they'll insure you, in a "high risk pool" where you pay more because you are a greater risk. (Sound familiar?) You want medical insurance? Well, you can get it virtually anywhere...many companies will put you through a thorough physical just so they can see what they are insuring and what risks they are underwriting, but hey, you can get medical insurance without an employer.
Or, such is my dream, anyways. If such a thing existed, I'd by medical insurance in an hour or more. Until then...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)