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Chris Matthews Ties Palin, Limbaugh to ‘White Tribalism,’ Heilemann: Palin ‘Activated’ ‘Tribalism’ Vs Obama

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On the Sunday, December 20, syndicated Chris Matthews Show – during which the panel weighed in on who should be granted various dishonors for the year – Matthews seemed to lump conservatives like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh in with what Matthews saw as "white tribalism" as he also fretted over the "birthers" who promote the fringe conspiracy theory that President Obama was not born in America. Matthews had notably expressed frustration about "white tribalism" being stirred up by "idiots" in America at the end of last week’s show.

Matthews seemed to compare Glenn Beck and  Limbaugh to swine flu as he introduced the award titled "A Plague on Both Our Houses." Matthews played a clip of Beck going over the top in calling President Obama a "racist" on FNC’s Fox and Friends, but he did not specify any particular quote from Limbaugh. A bit later, after the BBC’s Katty Kay tied Palin to the "birthers," prompting Matthews to interject that "I think it’s white tribalism," Matthews brought up the new book of panel member John Heilemann of New York magazine, and set up Heilemann to blame Palin for "activating" racism against Obama during the 2008 campaign.

Matthews: "Was this something that was simmering, this sort of tribalistic resentment of Barack Obama being what he is?"

Heilemann responded:

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People forget that this happened at the end of general election in 2008 where John McCain and Sarah Palin were out at their rallies and you started to see, when she started to talk about how he was palling around with terrorists, you started to see the early incipient kind of signs of what became the birther movement, where you'd have people standing up calling him a socialist, calling him a communist, calling him an Arab. You know, that stuff was out there, and you only saw it at the very, very end.

And by that point, Obama was so far ahead that people kind of ignored it. But it was there and they activated it.

Matthews then suggested that it would be racist to attack Obama for attending the racist sermons of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and criticized Palin for expressing a regret that the McCain/Palin campaign did not talk about Wright. Matthews:

And did you hear that Palin was saying that later on, more recently, she wished they'd done more of that Reverend Wright stuff, more of that ethnic stuff, that racial stuff. She wanted to push that. To John McCain's lasting credit he refused to play the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we've seen.

Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Sunday, December 20, Chris Matthews Show:

CHRIS MATTHEWS: When we come back, more of our look back at this year. What was the bigger plague, the birthers or the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh? And who gets our "Backbone of Steel" award? And who was the biggest cad of the year? That's a long list. And we got a lot of nominees. We’ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MATTHEWS: Welcome back. And more of our look back at this year. Next category, we're calling it a "Plague on All Our Houses." First, swine flu – now, that was a big, big deal this year. The birthers, another kind of plague, the people who pushed the idea that Barack Obama was not born in America. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and their ilk – the nutty talk went off the rails this past summer. Here is Beck:

GLENN BECK, FROM THE JULY 28 FOX AND FRIENDS, CLIP #1: This President, I think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is.

BECK CLIP #2: This guy is, I believe, a racist.

MATTHEWS: And our last plague, those reality TV wannabes. The balloon family and those White House gate crashers. Howard, another rich list. By the way, Glenn Beck, white people. What's that supposed to mean?

HOWARD FINEMAN, NEWSWEEK: Well, it's hard not to name him the "Plague of the Year." And not for ideological reasons. Because I think the name calling, the shameless name calling, and stirring up of the worst in our society is something that should be condemned. It was a year ago, almost a year ago, that we were all out there on the mall, when Barack Obama was sworn in as President, one of the great moments in American history, no matter what your politics are, no matter who you are, where you come from, and to sort of drag all that through the mud I think is a plague.

MATTHEWS: Yes, bring back tribalism.

FINEMAN: Yeah, exactly.

KATTY KAY, BBC: I would say the birthers, and I think because it's insidious-

MATTHEWS: Same deal, by the way.

KAY: I think it’s a similar deal, and with the birthers, it's getting at this idea that Americans somehow don't like anything that's foreign, that anything that's foreign is suspicious. And there's no evidence of this. And the way that people like Sarah Palin have said this is an issue without actually coming out straight and saying I think he wasn't born in America. There’s a very mean-spiritedness about the birthers, I find, worrying about...

MATTHEWS: I think it’s tribalism, white tribalism.

NORAH O’DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: It is, and it's an effort to delegitimize the President in some way, to offer an ad hominem attack in many ways-

KAY: Without even straight-up attacking.

O’DONNELL: -suggesting he’s not credible, he’s not American. And it’s sort of a way to – it’s racist in many ways to do it.

MATTHEWS: John, you've got a book coming out, a big one, coming out very early this year, right at the new year time. And you’re going to be on here to talk about it. Was this something that was simmering, this sort of tribalistic resentment of Barack Obama being what he is?

JOHN HEILEMANN, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: Yeah, it’s funny, you know, people forget that this happened at the end of general election in 2008 where John McCain and Sarah Palin were out at their rallies and you started to see, when she started to talk about how he was palling around with terrorists, you started to see the early incipient kind of signs of what became the birther movement, where you’d have people standing up calling him a socialist, calling him a communist-

MATTHEWS: Yeah.

HEILEMANN: -calling him an Arab. You know, that stuff was out there, and you only saw it at the very, very end. And by that point, Obama was so far ahead that people kind of ignored it. But it was there and they activated it.

MATTHEWS: And did you hear that Palin was saying that later on, more recently, she wished they’d done more of that Reverend Wright stuff, more of that ethnic stuff, that racial stuff? She wanted to push that.

HEILEMANN: She was very unhappy about going after Reverend Wright.

MATTHEWS: To John McCain’s lasting credit he refused to play the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we’ve seen.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.

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→ We should note

We should note there's no evidence of "tribalism" among other colors.

It's another axiom to remember.  It's impossible for any racial group, other than whites, to be tribalist

Now if you'll excuse me, I just received my DVD "Great Republicans of the Congressional Black Caucus"

Should take me the rest of the hour to watch it.  It's now 1:50 PM.

That's great!

One of the best posts in recent memory. That is freaking spot on!

-----------

Why the Tea Party movement could backfire:

http://bit.ly/6X9Dya

 

You don't have to be white....

Many people can spot a phony--race aside. And many people did and more are.

 

Sorry Crissy, one of the

Sorry Crissy, one of the biggest racists in America lives the white house and  the biggest racists on TV supports him supports him. What's the name of your show, The obama hour?

What is "white tribalism"?

What is "white tribalism"?

BK...Tingles doesn't know

BK...Tingles doesn't know his own gibberish...he's insane.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

~A figment of the diseased imagination

Of a self-loathing pasty white man.

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

"White Tribalism"---

is a construct of Chrissys' miniscule mental meanderings, that tells him the only way he shall ever reach the Nirvana Tingle is if he disfavors, disavows, and is disgusted by, all things white.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)

maybe he should just end it

maybe he should just end it all and stop his self-revulsion.

Smarmy idiot makes me want to hurl.


"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you
know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would
necessarily skyrocket" - Barack Hussain Obama

md... You have to wonder

md...

You have to wonder what the Bozo sees when he looks in the mirror~with his eyes wide shut.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Excellent point, bt---

I bet if he looked in the mirror and asked, "Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?" - The mirror would  answer back, "Uh, that would be Snow White, you pasty faced s.o.b., an' you ain't even close!"

MD

Isn't White Tribalism when

Isn't White Tribalism when you aren't ashamed of being white?  When you value everything you've earned through your hard work and don't want to give it to others for no reason except that they don't have it?

Of course Beck and Rush are like a plague to Matthews.  They're getting all the ratings.  Poor Chrissy.

→ No Radical

White Tribalism is when you're a white speechwriter (Chris Matthews) in Jimmy Carter's Administration, and your President refuses to name even one African American to his Cabinet.

That's White Tribalism.

CA but your scenario would

CA but your scenario would only apply to a Republican administration right? 

→ Silly me

Yeah, I forgot about that. 

<Sound of duct tape ripping off roll>

What is white tribalism???

That's exactly what I was wondering, B.....

Chris Matthews and his ilk must stay awake nights, trying to think up new insulting terms, that they can define on their own.

Just one more damn code word for "racist."  What, that word ain't good enough for you?  You have to find a dozen different ways to say it?  Wow, we're really impressed with your vast vocabulary!!

If anyone in this country is "tribal" I would say it's black people.  They stick together bound by nothing more than color.  Case in point: How many black people do you hear complaining that Obama is doing exactly what Bush would have done in Afghanistan?  But if Bush had done it, they would be up in arms!  As it is, the only liberals who dare to disagree with Obama on this are the white liberals of the far left, like the Daily Kos.

The Black Caucus, as well as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, are silent.  No more hollering about how it is mostly black troops fighting, or black troops as cannon fodder, or blacks in the Army because they have no other option to make a living. It's all good, now the Obama is CinC....why would that be????

Sorry for the rant, but I'm at the point where I don't ever want to hear another word about what Matthews thinks, and especially about how this president is hated because of his color. 

It's pointless to argue with people like Matthews; reasoning just goes right over their heads.

And now if you'll excuse me, I need to reinforce my duct tape!!

TRIBALISM...

 There is "white tribalism", but it usually is in the form a nationalism, in europe, amongst the W.A.S.P.y white nations. In America, not really much outside of public displays you see on St.Patrick's Day or at Octoberfest celabrations. But those are more of an ethnic thing.

 Most of the "tribalism" here is shown by minority groups, not really by the white population.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Can we just put Chrissy's

Can we just put Chrissy's picture up on the righthand side with his quote "I'm a liberal." and stop doing stories on him?  He's a waste of bandwidth at this point.

Green with envy

Chrissy, the stoooopid idiot, fails to notice how whiter than white the tribe of Earth Firsters, and all people green, are, especially the ones attacking police and destroying private property at the Global Warming Church over in Copenhagen the past couple of days. Oh, and don't forget the tribes in Africa and Arabia who are constantly killing each other, no tribalism there, eh Chrissy?

D

Write your Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Can't bring himself to say "White Racism"?

So Matthews says "white tribalism", even though everything around the word "tribalism" is implying ...screaming... "racism".

He never defines what tribalism is.
Here's how Webster defines it:

1 : tribal consciousness and loyalty; especially : exaltation of the tribe above other groups
2 : strong in-group loyalty

Given that definition, imagine if some analyst characterized the monolithic way in which blacks voted for Obama during the Dem primary (against Hillary) as "tribalism". He'd be out of a job.

Matthews and ilk are transparent race-baiters.  They did it during the campaign - starting with the throwing of Bill Clinton under the bus as a racist.  And, as predicted, they've continued doing it ever since anytime anyone dares to criticize or question Obama.  All so predictable.  The word "racist" no longer has any meaning coming from the mouths of idiots like Matthews and Eugene Robinson.

MATTHEWS: To John McCain’s lasting credit he refused to play
the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we’ve
seen.

Yes, very easy to play in this country, as we saw continuously from the Obama campaign and professional race-squawkers like Donna Brazile. 

MATTHEWS: To John

MATTHEWS: To John McCain’s lasting credit he refused to play
the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we’ve seen.

Yes, we've seen it, pretty easy. You would know all about that wouldn't you?

Mr. Matthews, to your own lasting DIScredit, that has been the first, and pretty much only argument you've made against Obama's opponents, since he won the nominatiion.

No body knows the tribals I've seen ...

Chris the Wide Mouth Frog can say "white tribalism" and get knowing head nods from others. If Rush Glen said "black tribalism," Rev."Hymietown" Jackson and Rev. Tawana Sharpyton would be after their heads, followed by the Geek Chorus of the MSM and the habitués if the HuffDaddy Post who sniff every bush that Jesse and Al pee on. [Yes, there's an odd pun in there.] 

Because of their race baiting, their almost luridly erotic speculations about assassinating O'Bama, and their vulgar snickering at Tea Party participants, nothing that CTWMF or Keith "I can see a totem pole from my bathtub" the Sports Boy or Rachel Madcow or Ed "I hope my face doesn't freeze like this" Schultz says has any credibility with me. They can all go to hell and bake cakes. If they said the sky was blue, I'd look out the window before believing them. They are despicable, and they represent a great swath of the wussy media who genuflect at the altar of overcompensating white racial angst.

Everything the MSM or SCM say about current political events either sounds the alarm about crypto-racism by Republican and conservative opponents or extols O'Bama's achievements beyond any reasonable measure. The black guy is the greatest president, orator, dresser, walker, sashayer, quipper, arbiter, leader, basketball playing incumbent, etc., than anyone ever before ... because he can't be less, he can't be merely good, merely effective, merely impressive. How white of you, ChrisKeithRachelEd.

CO2---

Well said.

If it weren't so many letters, I would have overcompensating white racial angst tattooed backwards across my forehead so I could see and read it every morning in the mirror.

Begin the day off properly, carry the backwards message all daylong as a conversation starter, and somehow, in some small way, begin to make amends and initiate atonement for my unforgivable whiteness.

Maybe.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910) 

Anchor tribal whine

simplistic anchor tribalism has become far more wide spread then swine flu.

"birthers" are a very small sector, Beck & Palin are used often as hooks by the left to boost sinking ratings. Always with the same predictable mind numbing tribal call at it's core, Let us carry the water chief. Yawn time to hunt new meat for the meal.  

   

If Barack Obama were found to be "foreign," it could be...

If Barack Obama were found to be "foreign," it could be added to the endless list of claims about him that have been found to be untrue. Did I mention that Chris Matthews is an idiot?

Found to be foreign?

How can one be "found" foreign?  Born in USA and you can be "foreign"?

Found Foreign---

Your question is put together poorly.  Lets say for instance:

You were not born in the USA, but said you were; and it was discovered that you were a liar, and lied about being born in the USA.

Found foreign.  That is how.

Got it?

MD

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE...

Obama is our first UNDOCUMENTED President in modern history. Nobody has seen an actual birht certificate. Nobody has seen his college records from Oxidental College, Harvard, or Columbia. Also, we have no idea who paid for his schooling. We don't know what passport he used to travel to Pakistan back in the early 80's, since there was a travel ban for American citizens then, he had to have a British or Indonesian(I say British). We don't know who really wrote "Dreams of my Father". The guy litterally had no voting record as an IL state senator, & had been in the US Senate for 150 days before starting his Presidential bid.

Obama was presented as an empty slate that you were supposed to pin your hopes & dreams on. He was whatever you wanted him to be, a little like Mr.Potato Head. The MSM was in on the promition of this guy, & I hope others will join me when I hold them to account as much as I hold Obama, Pelosi, Reid, & the rest of them.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Tribalism from Matthews the Witch Doctor

Matthews' rhetoric is increasingly laughable, since with every passing day, he starts looking more and more like a painted, prancing, dancing witch doctor in a grass skirt circling round and round waving his magic stick in the air and shouting 'ooga booga booga'.

Liberalism is tribalism - the worst, most depraved kind.

Slyrr... You've got me

Slyrr...

You've got me cracking up laughing with that scenario. ..now we just need to add the Chipmunks singing the Witch Doctor tune.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

While I agree...

While I agree with most on here that Matthews use of the term "white tribalism" is probably a code word for racism, I disagree with the use of the word in that manner.

I believe that humans are tribal by nature... its always been us vs them.  And we are tribal on different levels.  I will root for LSU before all teams.  After that, I will root for an SEC team against any other conference.  After that, I will root for a southern team against a team from another region.

Tribalism is loyalty to a group.  That in itself does not infer racism (bigotry).  Preference for your group does not automatically mean hatred for the other guys.  LSU plays Penn State on New Year's day.  I love my Tigers... but I don't hate Penn State (lets not discuss USC).

I have a question for the historians out there.  We all know the blacks have voted democrat 90 to 95% of the time since the mid-sixties.  Did they vote for Obama because he was black, a liberal black, a democrat, or a liberal democrat?  Would Alan Keyes have gotten 90% of the black vote had he been the Republican nominee running against John Kerry?  I don't think so.  What was the black voting percentages in the 1940s and 50s?

Just curious if anyone has a notion.

Beauxdog

 

 

 

"Listening to you, I get the music. Gazing at you, I get the heat. Following you, I climb the mountains. I get excitement at your feet." Tommy - The Who (or is it the MSM?)

Beauxdog---

It became apparent to me on November 4th, 2008, from interviews I saw taking place at polling locations, that there were blacks voting for Obama who did not know, and did not seem to care that they did not know, who or what was a liberal black, a democrat, or a liberal democrat.  They voted the color of Obamas' skin.  Period.  End of story.

There may have been an untold number of white people who did not vote for Obama because he was black; but I personally know white people (most in academia) who voted for Obama because he was black. 

I have always considered Alan Keyes to be exactly the kind of person I would want to have representing me as a politician.   Articulate, bright, possessed of both common sense and a good sense of humor.

But for whatever reason, Alan Keyes just cannot cobble together votes.  I find that to be as amazing as it is frustrating.  

Instead, we get this pos prez, Maxine Watters, Charlie Rangel, coupled with Dodd, Schumer, Frank, Pelosi, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

I'll tell ya, Beauxdog; while I am willing to fight the good fight down to the end, against all politicians, foreign and domestic,  using whatever is necessary---

By the same token, if it were just me left in the family here, I am positive I would cross the border into Tia Juana, rent the top of the highest hill in TJ, and just sit and watch this Country implode as a result of the mindless yet venal shenanigans of an entire subset of humanoids known as politicians.

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)         

98% of all blacks like Obama

98% of all blacks like Obama (Rasmussen's polls) now that's tribalism. so you are right on..when the blacks reach 50-50 maybe then their racism will slacken.

You have the correct

You have the correct definition of tribalism.

But liberals like Matthews love to take a word and give it the new meaning that they want to ascribe to it. 

Therefore, what used to be group loyalty is now racism.

They say "tribalism" is "racism" so that's it.  The real definition or etymology of the word doesn't matter.

Easy

MATTHEWS: I think it's white tribalism.....To John McCain’s lasting credit he refused to play the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we’ve seen.

Yeah, it took a Matthews intern about 30 seconds on thesaurus.com to come up with "tribalism" as a synonym for "racism". I'm sure it was easy.

To John McCain’s lasting

To John McCain’s lasting credit he refused to play the racial card, which is always easy to play in this country, as we’ve seen.

But it's the card liberals play every chance they get.

Dear Chrissie

Even though you are #1 on my idiot list, I will ask you, if possible, to read a history book. This administration and its opposition isnt about white tribalism. Its about reincarnation. Barack Obama is Huey Long . Huey had the same campaign promises, the same political thuggery, and the same aspirations. I deliberately leave out any references to assasination. I hope that doesnt happen again. I am referencing the similarities between these two men. Blind as you are, there are many blacks who are in opposition to all this man stands for. You simply ignore them. Try Thomas Sowell, Harry Alford, Mason Weaver as a start.  Dont call me a racist because I oppose socialism. Has nothing to do with this guys color. Corruption comes in all sizes and colors.

Edit     ok I'll add   sarc/

SILLY

Just plain silly....

nyk1973---

Amplify---

What is just plain silly?

Are the words "just plain silly" declarative, interrogative, or, maybe, a lead in to argumentative?

Huh?

MD

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."

Mark Twain (1835-1910)

It is Treason if he is not

It is Treason if he is not Natural born American..Chrissie would you like to hang with him.

→ Technicality

He can't commit treason if he's not a citizen.

I'm not saying he's not a citizen, I'm just saying it would be something different than treason. 

Got him CA

 Subversive

tending to subvert or advocating subversion,
esp. in an attempt to overthrow or cause the destruction of an
established or legally constituted government.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

→ That'll work

Sometimes I wonder if his citizenship is as authentic as Kwanzaa, but it just seems to me that since 52% of America chose Obama and the curse his pastor pronounced on America, we deserve him. 

I thought white tribalism

I thought white tribalism was sitting around the fire, drinking to much, cooking the pig you just shot, telling redneck jokes......... 

 

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on"--Thomas Jefferson

Roo when you say that I

Roo when you say that I imagine the outback and some Aussie rednecks (Crocidile Dumdee comes to mind).

There are some serious logical inconsistencies here....

but then, look who we're talking about.

Liberals hate being white because they believe that white Europeans are responsible for the spread of 18th century Colonialism, slavery, and Judeo-Christianity.

They believe that colonialism is capitalism and is an “instrument of wholesale destruction, dependency and systematic exploitation producing distorted economies, socio-psychological disorientation, massive poverty and neocolonial dependency."

Chris Matthews, the darling of MSpiNBC idiocy quotes Beck as saying:

"This President, I think, has exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is."

Note that Beck is claiming the President has a "deep-seated hatred of whites". He is not making racial epithets aimed at the President's race, but how he believes the President perceives the white race.

But this is another liberal view: that only whites can be considered racist. Whenever a minority makes racial epithets against whites, (white boy) it's justified, because whites are the alleged majority. We are expected to just sit and take it for fear of being labelled a racist.

Next, this liberal jock strap is calling the American people: "a plague"?? This shows the absolute disregard for America, its people and its values.

When will America start calling traitors, traitors again. Liberals have become the equivelant to 18th century "British tyrants" who will stop at nothing to rule it over the American people.

 

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

"Liberals hate being white..."

"Liberals hate being white..."

Thanks.  Nothing like a good, hearty chuckle with my second cup of coffee.  Please excuse me while I curse the cruel hand of fate for my Caucasian persuasion.

Jer

Interesting?

For some reason I thought you were Latino?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

→ gc

I thought he was a wise Latino. 

Well, general company...

You apparently had me confused with my gardener.  [joking of course...my gardener is a former Enron exec and very white]

Jer

Jer

It's true. White liberals feel horribly guilty and dirty about being white because of... who knows.... slavery from 100-plus/150 years ago, being the primary race of one of the great, free, prosperous countries (so more guilt for everyone else of other races, basically) ..... a host of things.

 

Shy...

I guess I didn't get the memo.

Jer

Jer

You don't seem to be one of them, but a vast majority of liberals walk around with this vibe and mantra, in subtle and not so subtle ways -- with the things they love to discuss, how they vote (uh duh), where all their "compassion" lies, etc..

 

Look no further than the halls of...

"Academia" (an oxymoron indeed) or the latest film: Avatar. The subtleties are everywhere - Whether showing men destroying forests in the movie Lord of the Rings: The Twin Towers, or the kids' film Over the Hedge where middle-class white america is seen as greedy, self-absorbed isolationists, media and academia paint white America as an evil enemy.

Celebs to kids: America stinks!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119046

Is there anything that redeems 'Avatar'?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=119657

 

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

~Not quite

Orcs destroyed the forests in LotR. Men were the good guys.

J. R. R. Tolkien was a Christian and he wrote those books a long time before "global warming" was ever thought of.

"my solution is to destroy children"--mamabear's cure for poverty 12/08/09

You're looking at the storyline...

Look deeper! They were orcs in the film but listen to what the trees are saying in the movie. If you listen to what they're saying, you'll see the environmental message emerge. The essence of the trees' argument is: The forests are being depleted and mankind is responsible. Not in the movie world, but in reality. (In my haste, I wrongly said men in the movie, but the orcs are only characters representing men in reality)

It's shrouded propaganda.

Over the Hedge was the same way...Greedy, white, middle class suburbia is responsible for destroying nature's habitat.

Avatar has the same message. As Time reviewer Richard Corliss wrote of the motif, "This is not only the most elaborate public-service commercial for those of the tree-hugger persuasion; it’s also a call to save what we’ve got, environmentally, and leave indigenous people as they are—an argument applicable to the attempt of any nation (say, the U.S.) to colonize another land (say, Iraq or Afghanistan)."

In every movie is a message to be gotten below the surface.

 

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

The elephant in the room..

We all saw that little old lady at the rally calling Obama a muslum before McCain quickly pulled the mic away. He did a great thing there as he gave respect to our president. What we all saw was the narrow minded ditto heads of the fringe that is underlying because we have a great black leader that the world has never seen before.

Sad you are still black and white

President Obama is every bit as good as that great white leader - Jimmy Carter

I don't feel that benevolent towards our Congress right now.  You know all those 'rich white guys'.

<saracasm>???

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Obama's a Muslim?

Who knew? 

You mean like he said in the interview....."In my muslim faith"?

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

What has made him great again?

I'm seriously still trying to figure that one out...

 

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge

"narrow minded ditto heads

"narrow minded ditto heads of the fringe that is underlying"

Not quite sure what that means, but I am quite sure it is infinitely better than the narrow minded Obama-bots of the fringe that is overtly-lying.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq  to derail the impeachment vote:  “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

→ Jerry

Among the Liberals there is no shame in demanding the property of another be handed over to them.

You stoopid, brainless idiot

That "great black leader" of yours is probably less that two weeks away from signing a bill into law that is going to destroy the very freedom and liberty my ancestors fought and died for, and will probably ultimately destroy the country.

Yeah, some leader you have there.

It's truly sad that America is going to be destroyed by people like you, who are not willing to take responsibility for their own health care. 

-Dave

HA!!!

Squirm ..baby squirm.  Just the way we like it! Once we got rid of that idoit, the world is ours.

   

 Nobel Pease Prize winner, our President Obama.

What's wrong with being a

What's wrong with being a Muslim?  Sounds like you have a little hate thang goin' on there, boyo.

Barack Obama is almost 50 years old. Isn't it time he stopped acting like an 18 year old marxian student sucking up to his "progressive" professors?

If Chris Matthews was any

If Chris Matthews was any whiter, Olbermann could wear him as a sheet.

Barack Obama is almost 50 years old. Isn't it time he stopped acting like an 18 year old marxian student sucking up to his "progressive" professors?

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