CNN’s Dobbs Interviews Producer of Film Debunking Gore’s Inconvenient Truth

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Monday’s Lou Dobbs Tonight on CNN gave attention to filmmaker Phelim McAleer – whose film Not Evil, Just Wrong premieres this Sunday and challenges Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth – in the aftermath of his recent attempt to get Gore to respond to the British High Court ruling that there are nine factual errors in An Inconvenient Truth. But McAleer’s microphone was cut off as he tried to get Gore to answer for some of these inaccuracies and whether the former Vice President was trying to correct his mistakes. After a report by correspondent Casey Wian – who showed a clip of the exchange between McAleer and Gore, and who also mentioned some of the inaccurate points in An Inconvenient Truth about polar bears and Hurricane Katrina – Dobbs hosted a debate segment between McAleer and Fred Krupp of the Environmental Defense Fund.

McAleer pointed out that many of the environmental scientists pushing global warming theory were pushing global cooling theory decades earlier: "And the same environmentalists who are now saying it is warming, 20 and 30 years ago were saying we're going to have an ice age. I'm old enough to be at school and I was told that we're going into a new ice age."

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He also complained about the "scare tactics" as children are subjected to the film in schools, and insisted that there is a burden on Gore to answer charges of inaccuracy in his film if he is going to push the theory that the human race is in mortal danger: "This documentary has been shown in schools across America and across the world to children who get scared about these scare tactics, and I wanted to say, you have a moral duty either to accept the judge's rulings and issue corrections or reject the judge's rulings."

Below is a complete transcript of the report by Casey Wian, and the debate which included Phelim McAleer, from the Monday, October 12, Lou Dobbs Tonight on CNN:

LOU DOBBS: California today signing a deal with the Obama administration. The point? To speed up renewable energy projects in that state. It is the latest attempt to demonstrate that climate change debate could drive public policy. But some, most notably former Vice President turned filmmaker Al Gore, well, he doesn't want to debate at all, as Casey Wian now reports.

CASEY WIAN: California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar signed an agreement Monday that will make the state eligible for $15 billion in federal bailout money to fight global warming and boost so-called green energy jobs.

GOVERNOR ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R-CA): Only with the help of Secretary Salazar we will be able to go and get those permits done by that time so we can benefit from those billions and billions of dollars.

WIAN: Yet the debate over climate change is far from settled. Former Vice President Al Gore – whose 2006 Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, considered a turning point in the effort to combat climate change – spoke to a group of environmental journalists Friday. He did not directly answer questions from the director of a soon to be released documentary highly critical of Gore's film.

PHELIM MCALEER, FILMMAKER: A judge in the British High Court, after a lengthy hearing, found there were nine significant errors. This has been shown to children. Have you, do you accept those findings and have you done anything to correct those errors?

AL GORE: Well, I'm not going to go through all of those. The ruling was in favor of the movie, by the way, and the ruling was in favor of showing the movie in schools. And that's really the bottom line on that. There's been such a long discussion of each one of those specific things. One of them, for example, was that polar bears – if I remember it correctly. It's been a long time ago – that polar bears really aren't endangered. Well, polar bears didn't get that word. So-

MCALEER: Well, the number of polar bears have increased, actually, and are increasing.

GORE: You don't think they're endangered, do you?

MCALEER: The number of polar bears have increased.

GORE: Do you think they're endangered?

MCALEER: The number of polar bears have increased. [AUDIENCE LAUGHTER] I mean, if the number of polar bears increased, surely they're not endangered. And a judge did have a lengthy hearing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to move on.

MCALLER: No, but no, I mean, Vice President Gore, Vice President Gore hasn't-

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're not doing a debate here.

MCALEER: No, this question, he hasn't answered the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have 10 minutes left for these people to ask questions.

MCALEER: Yes, but I would appreciate his answer to the court-

WIAN: Conference organizers then cut off McAleer's microphone. The dispute centers on a 2007 British court ruling that Gore's film had nine significant errors, including its assertion that ice pack melting would cause the sea level to rise 20 feet in the near future, and that Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming. Gore's Spokeswoman had said in a statement earlier that the former Vice President was gratified by the judge's decision, saying that, "Of the thousands and thousands of facts presented in the film, the judge apparently took issue with a handful." Now, we looked into the polar bear question, and it is true that their numbers have increased dramatically since the 1950s, mostly though because of restrictions on hunting. Those who see climate change as a threat point to more recent declines in some polar bear populations as evidence that a warming planet threatens their existence. Lou?

DOBBS: Yes, well, the actual point of contention, as I recall, I love the way that Al Gore makes it sound like that was 200 years ago. That was just two years ago, 2007. It involved four drowning polar bears. It turns out they didn't. That's sort of straightforward and a simple fact, isn't it?

WIAN: Yeah, and it's one of those claims that the film made that this British High Court ruled that, yes, it could be shown in the schools over there, but with the disclaimer that these nine facts asserted in the film were in error, and Al Gore didn't mention that, Lou.

DOBBS, LAUGHING: Well, we did, didn't you? Appreciate it, Casey. Thanks so much. Casey Wian. Well, the extent of the threat posed by climate change is the subject of our face-off debate tonight, and, as always, it is an emotional, a controversial issue. And the emotionalism that surrounds it is in and of itself fascinating, at least to me. Joining me now is Phelim McAleer. He is the director and the producer of the documentary, "Not Evil, Just Wrong," who you just saw, by the way, questioning Al Gore. Good to have you with us. And Fred Krupp. He is the president of the Environmental Defense Fund. Good to have you with us.

FRED KRUPP, PRESIDENT, ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND: Good to be here.

DOBBS: I just, let's deal with the first issue. Why is something like climate change so emotional, such a, if you will, contentious issue. It seems there are straightforward facts that would be there for everyone to either agree upon or disagree, stay away from the ambiguous and deal with the salient and the crystal clear. Why don't we do that?

KRUPP: Well, I think, just like a lot of things in Washington, Lou, climate change has become a bit of a partisan football. But now there is a bipartisan pathway forward, and the New York Times just on Sunday, both Lindsey Graham – the conservative Republican Senator from South Carolina – and John Kerry agreed on a market-based path forward, the same sort of cap and trade system that was used so successfully in the 1990s to combat acid rain. So hopefully we're getting across that partisan divide right this week.

DOBBS: All right. First of all, you were working hard to get a straightforward answer from the former Vice President. What drove your inquiry?

MCALEER: Well, as the organizers said, this was the first time in four years he agreed to take questions from reporters. That's a disgrace. For someone who says the world is ending, the world is in crisis, that he won't put the facts out there and take difficult questions is bizarre. I must believe that he doesn't really believe the world is about to end. So I went there to ask him. This documentary has been shown in schools across America and across the world to children who get scared about these scare tactics, and I wanted to say, you have a moral duty either to accept the judge's rulings and issue corrections or reject the judge's rulings. But you haven't the moral, you have no right to not, refuse to answer those questions.

DOBBS: What do you think?

KRUPP: Well, Lou, first of all, the Vice President takes questions from reporters routinely. He took questions on September 22, he took questions from reporters at the U.N. September 24, he took questions at this event. So, actually, after Phelim had his say, it was in a desire to take more questions that, other journalists were waiting in time, so the idea that he hasn't taken questions in three years is just wrong. He takes questions weekly.

DOBBS: All right. Let's go to a couple of things. The BBC climate reporter this weekend I think probably shook up the society there a bit this weekend, talking about the fact that over the course of this new millennia, young though we are, nine years into it, I think he begins his lead, "You may be surprised to learn that the hottest year recorded is not 2008, not 2007, nor one of the previous, the last ten years, but rather you have to go back to 1998." And I have to say, I think most people would say, "What?" because they've been led to believe that the climate is warming almost daily.

KRUPP: Well, Lou, actually, if you look at the trend line, it's undoubtedly, definitely rising up. There’s year-to-year variability because of El Ninos. But when you plot the dots on the trend line, we're going up. Since 2000, all eight years, 2001 to 2008, have been eight of the 14 warmest years on record. And 2009, when the data comes in, this decade will be the warmest decade since we've been keeping records.

MCALEER: Well, that's just not true. And let's be honest, the climate models, those quick climate models that say we're all going to die by 2050, missed this cooling period. In fact, if it cools much longer, it will be cooling longer than it warmed. And the same environmentalists who are now saying it is warming, 20 and 30 years ago were saying we're going to have an ice age. I'm old enough to be at school and I was told that we're going into a new ice age. So, for them to, for these people to say, for people like Fred to say that the facts aren't there, it has cooled. It hasn't warmed in 13 years, and it was warmer before. Britain was warmer. We used to grow wine in Yorkshire, in Britain, you know ... But if they did grow wine, you know, grapes were growing there, it has been warmer before and these are all part of the natural variability of climate. And, you know, and who's to say that 10 years ago the climate was perfect then? Why are we so obsessed with, you know, the climate is warming or cooling? You know, Helsinki is one of the coldest places on the planet. It's very rich. Singapore is one of the wealthiest places on the planet. It's very hot. Man will adapt. But it's not, this is not, you should not close down the American economy and drive jobs out of America and stop using fossil fuels for fake science.

KRUPP: The good news, Phelim, is it's not fake science. If you go to the National Academy of Sciences or look at the reports from NASA – and anyone in our audience can go to the Web site – you can see that this decade has been the warmest on record. But the good news is even if we don't convince you of that, and I hear both arguments, maybe it's not warming, and even if it is, so what? The good news is we have a common sense plan that's tried and tested in the United States, a market-based plan that will keep America in the driver's seat for the economy. Lou, you know, China is-

DOBBS: ... This is the driver's seat we're in right now?

MCALEER: Lou, it's a common sense plan by a millionaire head of an environmental organization, with big business to keep smaller competitors out. It's about regulating and keeping big business in the position it's in by these millionaire environmental organizations.

KRUPP: Not so. You know, we have a Web site-

MCALEER: You know, Fred earns half a million dollars a year. Do the people of America want their future and their economy to be decided by a millionaire lawyer who calls himself an environmentalist working with big business, keeping competitors out and bringing in increased regulations?

KRUPP: There’s a Web site called ... Less Carbon, More Jobs, where a series of small businesses have come out saying pass cap and trade and the cap puts a driver in place that allows-

DOBBS: So you're supporting cap and trade?

KRUPP: Supporting cap and trade, Lou, because it gives the economic incentives to energy efficiency that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

DOBBS: But you call that a private, you call that a market solution? That is extraordinarily based on government intervention in the market place. How could you call that a market solution? I'm not discussing the merits of cap and trade, but, my God, if that's not government intervention what is?

KRUPP: Yes, the government creates a market. That's true. And for these tragedies in the commons, it's what George H. W. Bush put in place, the best of the Republican intellectual capital. It creates incentives to get new jobs for Americans.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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A comic gem from the Environmental Defense Fund

"Yes, the government creates a market."

Ah, so it's a market-based solution! Who knew??!!

"Global Warming" hoax

All of this is such bulls**t, and now the science is beginning to prove it. 

Why do you think they had to change the name of this naturally occurring phenomena?  Why is it now "climate change" instead of the aforementioned "global warming?"  

Because the hysterics "science" cannot stand up to peer review.

Go to the website for the movie.  Host a screening.  et the truth out there.

And may RFK, Jr.'s Prius stall on the Westside Highway in rush hour. 

The loneliest man at CNN...

Lou Dobbs has got to be the loneliest man at CNN...With his views on illegal immigration and cap and trade, he must be a virtual pariah with the libnut CNN crowd...

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Inconvenient 1000's & 1,000's of facts.

Gore's Spokeswoman had said in a statement earlier that the former Vice President was gratified by the judge's decision, saying that, "Of the thousands and thousands of facts presented in the film..

Oh please, please.. show us the list.

I curious here - is this a fact? Al Gore's film presented "thousands and thousands of facts"?

Just how many is "thousands and thousands"? OK, so I'll admit, he didn't claim that there are 'thousands of thousands' of facts. I think that might imply 1,000 X's 1,000 or, more commonly referred to as 1,000,000; so let's go with the 'and' connecting the "thousands" claim.

Well, one thousand and one thousand ='s two thousand. But Gore's spokesman used the plural of thousands, so at a minimum here, we're going to have two thousand + two thousand. That would be four thousand, minimum.

So Gore presented a minimum of four thousand facts in his factless movie. The only fact I'd imagine is true here, is that he presented four thousand words in his movie. Words - not facts.

I'd have to go back and look more carefully, but are there actual real facts in there (other than the credits) - or, or there a simply a handful bunch of theories.

Should we dare to introduce the even more descriptive term, truths?

Once again - show us the list.

I'll be conveniently waiting.

(;~? gary

Gary... Exactly... You

Gary...

Exactly...

You know we will be waiting for the list until the 12th of Never.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Anyone else end up reading

Anyone else end up reading "thousands and thousands" in Carl Sagan's voice?

"We can go from boom to bust
From dreams to a bowl of dust
We can fall from rockets' red glare
Down to 'Brother, can you spare...'"

- Rush, "Between the Wheels"

Gore-Bull Warming

A British court may have ruled on 9 errors in the film but there are really 35 inconvenient truths.

Headline: AL GORED BY OWN

Headline: AL GORED BY OWN OX 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

Why is it no one every

Why is it no one ever calls this nonsense by its proper name?

"the theory of man made climate change" because that is exactly what it is. Despit the crap of there being a "consensus", If it is not a proven, reproducable fact that is known in science as a "Law", then it is a theory, period. Evolution which has a lot more evidence supporting it and can actually be limitedly reproduced in laboratories in short living insects like fruit flies, is called a theory. 

Its time the scientific community insist that this theory be called by its proper name. Consensus in science is strait bullcrap.

It does not rise to the level of theory

In order to be considered a theory it ahs to be able to be confirmed by other scientists using the same methods and come up with the same results. The data has not been adequately shared. The sorce code for the models is held in secret by many of the modelers and so on. At this time it is still more properly called a Hypothesis. As a hypothesis it desreves more study, but honest study which it has not really been subjected too. By calling it a theory they have really raised it to a level of Scientific credibility it does not have.

Einstiens General and Special theories of Realativity are still valid because no exceptions have been found and it accurately predicts the universe around us. Quantum theory is used in designing micro-chips and they work. I could go on, but you get the point. AWG is NOT a theory because no predictions have been shown to be accurate. There are no verified results by Independent scientists using the same methods and so on.

The use of the term THEORY was not accidental it was used on purpose to give credence where none exists.

Jimme and richb313, The

Jimme and richb313,

The distinction between law and theory in science isn't clear cut and is, to some extent, irrelevant now days. Developments in philosophical areas of science have caused most within science to abandon the idea of calling anything a "law" since that word implies an absoluteness which most scientists don't attribute to science. Consequently, models in science are simply called "theories" these days. Giving that label to a model isn't a way of saying it's universally accepted. It's basically a generic term.

You will notice that two hundred years ago, Newton had his "laws" of motion and his universal "law" of gravity, whereas in the last hundred years we've had Einstein's "theories" of special and general relativity and as well as quantum "theory" - despite the fact that the latter "theories" are more accurate and detailed than those previous "laws".

How labels like "law" and "theory" have been applied over the centuries has had as much to do with how science was viewed philosophically at the time as how "good" the scientific model they were applied to is.

The Latest News

The Latest News is that AWG is fast falling apart. New studies indicate that we are on the cusp of a possible multi-decade cooling trend. I do not know enough to say if this is true but we have been cooling for at least 1 decade. Three historical studies that document past Global Temperatures have been shown to be seriously flawed even though they were peer reviewed. Jerry Picking of Data was the culprit. The Sun remians somewhat dormant with little or no sunspots. The minimum has already exceeded NASA estimates multiple times. When the does wake up again it won't be pretty as solar events are somewhat more spectacular after long periods of dormacy. This is the reason that many companies are rushing to harden communications and electrical systems.

Team Obama will not give up on Cap and Trade and other Environmental Legislation tied to Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever moniker you want to give it because there is the potential of increasing Government Control over evry aspect of our lives.

We have very real problems like the fact that we have an unemployment rate hovering around 10% and it is still increasing not decreasing. The only thing decreasing is the rate that people are becoming unemployed. This is nothing to celebrate. We still have serious threats by terrorists. We have a more beligerant Russia. We have Pakistan on the verge of collapse and the prospects of Islamic Radicals gaining control of thier nukes scares the hell out of India, another nuclear power. North Korea is ratteling its Saber again threatening South Korea, North Korea will sink any vessel in disputed waters(these disputed waters are International Waters by Treaty). The list still goes on but you get the point.

The Obama Administration is still concerned about Man Made Global Warming?  I would feel a lot safer if he would be more concerned about the very real possibility of World War Three rather than a highly disputed theory of which there has NEVER been any agreement with the Majority of Scientists.

I think that we are all in very real danger, not from the envrionment or the climate but from REAL DANGERS and Obama just wants to talk to them. How is it working so far? He has three years left to see if he can get that particular tactic to work. I just hope we are still alive and not in some radio active ash heap to see how it all comes out.

Global warming disproved

Just pose a simple multiple choice question.

You have gone out
to your car on a hot July day, opened the door and noticed that it's
quite a bit hotter inside than out, the car thus mimicking a
greenhouse. Which of the following would make the interior hotter?

A) The windows being made of glass three millimeters thicker.

B) Adding a second layer of glass.

C) Adding 25% more carbon dioxide to the interior.

D) Adding 40% more methane.

E) All of the above.

F) None of the above.

While dwelling on that for a while, let's assume global warming is
true (though I really hate being this pretentious); let's find an
antidote. For nearly forty years we (i.e., Americans, not those
foreign lands whose health care systems Obamacare would foist on us)
have had the technology to set up solar power stations on the moon
using lunar resources. They would be established on the eastern
and western extremities of the moon in such a way as to always have an
adequate array of them in sunlight and to account for lunar "libration"
to keep their beamed energy on a course for earth and a set of relay
satellites in geosynchronous orbit similar to communication satellites.

The
energy is beamed toward earth and the receiving stations on the surface
using microwaves similar to those used in cell phones and are perfectly
safe. The energy can only be captured by a specially designed
receiver system and is no threat at all to aircraft above or humans
walking below such a receiver.

There would not only be enough
energy to eliminate the need for all coal-burning, oil-burning, natural
gas-burning and nuclear power plants, enough would be left over to
easily accommodate the electricity required for hydrolysis, the only
way to acquire the hydrogen fuel that could be used in almost 80% of
all vehicles. This would eliminate about 90% of our emissions all
the while enjoying the bounty provided by a rejuvenated space program.

So
why have we not done this yet? Because the answer to the
aforementioned question is "F", none of the above. The heat
generated by the paneling, upholstery, steering column, etc. absorbing
the sunlight and now becoming infrared is trapped, virtually
logarithmically, by the first few layers of glass crystals and
eventually are more or less arithmetically trapped by the next layers
and finally only by inverse logarithm above that. The highest
layers of the glass effectively do nothing to trap what the innermost
glass crystals have already captured. (Did you ever see a
greenhouse advertise how thick its glass is or what gases it injects
into it to make it more proficient?) Many greenhouses use only a
thin layer of plastic - that's all that is required.

Just as a
rudimentary greenhouse cannot be improved upon by adding more
greenhouse materials, an already fully greenhoused atmosphere cannot be
made more proficient at trapping heat by adding to the total of those
greenhouse constituents already present. Earth has never had less
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than 280 ppm (and usually much more
despite what the Gorical may have you think) and 100 ppm is sufficient
to trap 95% of what carbon dioxide is left to trap after water vapor
has taken virtually all the rest. The next 100 ppm of the carbon
dioxide traps 95% of that 5% leftover, and by the time 280 ppm is
reached the amount of trapping is so far into inverse logarithm that it
is vanishingly small. It would be as if having had 19 military
winter field blankets already over you that somehow it would make you
warmer if a 20th was to be added.

There is no emergency at all or
we would already be creating the lunar-based solar power
stations. But the real objective of the power-hungry politicians
is, as Rush Limbaugh has been pointing out, not at all to care for us
but to subjugate the nation.  Check out a new blog:  www.weatherdynamics....

Flat earther McAleer is your expert, Lou? LOL

Flat earther McAleer is your expert? LOL

You've heard the lies McAleer's spews so many times, you accept them as truth.  I'll debunk his first lie.

Quite simply, there never was scientific consensus that the earth was cooling, that's just a flat earther myth.  In fact, the concern was about warming instead.

Below is a link to the American Meteoroligical Society paper titled "The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus." Go read all 13 pages.

"There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming dominated the peer-reviewed literature even then"

http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1&ct=1&SESSID=22330b9eb2b1f317bbaff48084c1df3a

I was around in the '70's, 000,

...and I remember sitting in 7th grade science class in 1977 and hearing about how in the very near future there would be mass starvation due to declining global temperatures.

Most everyone who was around back then heard the same thing.

 
Oh, and we were also told that those of us who didn't starve in the global famine were going to certainly die when the swarms of "killer bees" swarmed up from Mexico to kill us all.  

-Dave

And double-zero's problem

And double-zero's problem is he wasn't around then.

All he knows of the '70's is what he is told to think about it by Duh-lyKoz

Heck. I heard it from

Heck. I heard it from college professors in the 60' s.

It actually makes more sense. Earth has a history of cooling. And it doesn't require man. But don't sell the house and move to Brazil.

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

With all due respect. I

With all due respect. I remember the global cooling concerns of the 60's and 70's. I recall a piece in Scientific American on it. Predicting a return to glaciers. I also heard it in undergraduate school. (I know. I shouldn't believe my lying eyes and ears.)

Of course there was no consensus back then. Just like there's no consensus now. The consensus people have a highly flawed study by Oreskes. A study that is shown to be wrong every time someone finds a study critical of inconvenient to the AGW theory.

Back then people weren't saying consensus. Now they are. Even though many great scientist are skeptics. Even among AMS members.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

With all due respect, no consensus on cooling in the 70's.

With all due respect, no consensus on cooling in the 70's.     Not even close. That's the point, McAlere is spewing made up lies.

"Of course there was no consensus back then. Just like there's no consensus now."  No consensus now?  LOL!!!  The earth is flat, it's only 6,000 years old and Fred Flintstone rode on dinosaurs too.

No consensus among the flat earthers at least.

 

So then IPCC, Al Gore, and a

So then IPCC, Al Gore, and a whole lot of warmers are lying  when they say consensus.

Pretending there's a consensus (which has nothing to do with science), doesn't make it so.

Tis better to be Fred Flintstone; than Eoanthropus dawsoni.

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

Troll Alert

Sorry Danbo. I didn't realize that 007 was just a politically motivated troll whack job. If I had known he was just a cut and paste specialists void of any intellectual comment I would not have bothered replying. Dave obviously knew judging by his response. Since there is not going to be a climate deal in Hope-n-hagen in December, I assume hypothalamus-lite was just trying to get in his last cheap shots before we all die in two months.

And your motivation is what, dbo?

And your motivation is what, dbo?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know there was never a global cooling consensus among scientists.  That claim is an inconvenient lie told by a charlatan.  When you have to lie to help make a case, then you likely have no case at all.

Double zero

Double zero, just because you were born in 1997 doesn't mean the rest of us weren't around in the '70s.

I was and scientists insisted we were headed for another Ice Age.

 

You may go now.

Stink remembers the 70's, and that's his proof.

Stink remembers the 70's, and that's his proof.

"I was (there) and scientists insisted we were headed for another Ice Age."

You say it's true, with no proof but your say.  LOL!

Sure, there was a distinct minority that said so.  And today there's a distinctly smaller minority of scientist that say there's no global warming, so what's your point?

I debunked your myth with a link to a paper published by the American Meteorological Society, now post your proof otherwise.

Links to charlatans like McAleer saying so ain't proof either.  LOL!

Since you were born in

Since you were born in 1997, I don't think we need to worry about what you remember from the '70s.

Scoreboard: Free:

Scoreboard:

Free: 100

007moron: Still warming the bench. 

-Dave

Hiding in the locker room?

Shhhhh.  Don't show double-not-seven this:  "Despite the fact that there was no UN IPCC organization created to promote global cooling in the 1970s and despite the fact that there was nowhere near the tens of billions of dollars in funding spent today to promote man-made global warming, fears of a coming ice age, showed up in peer-reviewed literature, at scientific conferences, voiced by prominent scientists and throughout the media."

So the Librul media reported about global cooling, your point?

So the Librul media reported that a minority of scientists believed in global cooling, your point, acumen?

They reported the sensational, leaving you, stink, dbo, danbo and rd with the impression that it was anything but hype.  Impressions aren't fact.

Today, a minority of scientists don't believe in global warming, yet many, many of you have the impression  that the jury is still out on the subject.  You were wrong then and you're wrong now.  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

→ That's rich

Hey America!  You're going to freeze to death!

-years pass-

Hey America!  We're back!  And this time we swear we're right!  You're going to fry!!!  We've even got the support of 007memo

007 years old

They reported the sensational, leaving you, stink, dbo, danbo and rd with the impression that it was anything but hype

You forgot to mention that both NASA and the CIA were duped as well. You also have failed to answer why you keep lying about what McAleer said.

Memo

Your opinion has been noted, and will be given all the thought it deserves. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

007...Here's something to help you

007....Here's something to help you keep up with the adults re the "global cooling" issue.

http://denisdutton.c...

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

"Politically motivated", so funny I forgot to laugh, dbo

"Politically motivated", so funny I forgot to laugh, dbo.

Like the flat earthers aren't solely about politics.  LOL!!!

000, those of us who came of age in the 60's and 70's...

...are skeptics for a reason. 

 
I long ago lost count of all the "plagues" that were going to befall us by the "Year 2000." 

Trust me, it was ice ages, famine, killer bees, volcanic eruptions that would wipe out continents, nuclear war, swine flu, alien invasion from outer space, CB radios, or whatever.

None of it happened. Not even close.

We have looked at the so-called science behind man-made climate change as well, and have decided it too, is bullshit.

Besides, most of the people who support this tripe all have one thing in common, and that is they are freedom-hating nanny state supporters like you.

To me, that is reason enough to reject this BS in its entirety, and invest in a few more boxes of ammunition - you know, for when the time comes. 

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

rd helm makes a great point, now we're getting somewhere!

I long ago lost count of all the "plagues" that were going to befall us by the "Year 2000."  ... "None of it happened. Not even close."

Well now, rd, you make an excellent point - worth analyzing.  But it's too late tonight.

Claiming there isn't scientific consensus, danbo

Claiming there isn't scientific consensus, which has everything to do with science, about global warming among scientists danbo, is either a lie or a stunning lack of awareness.

Weird, wild stuff.

I must have slept through

I must have slept through all those months of research classes in grad school. But this lack of awareness knows science isn't about consensus. Science is about data, method and process. And most importantly who has the right answer. And also knowing what I and you don't know.

And yes. Though you and a lot of charlatans profess consensus. There is no consensus. Which is irrelevant anyway.

You lose.

But please instruct us on what science is about.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

Wake up danbo, your liberal education failed you.

Wake up danbo, your liberal education failed you.

What kind of nonsense are you spewing?  Are you doing an Abbot and Costello routine?  What science isn't about is a convoluted argument about how the overwhelming majority of scientists agreeing that climate change is real, is not consensus.

Your livin in the 70's man!

And it's not about ignoring the elephant in the room, the fact that McAleer is lying (or would the consensus determine he's dissembling) about global cooling consensus in the 70's.

I'll refer you to the findings of a study entitled "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change".   And their conclusion:

"It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/ssi/DoranEOS09.pdf

Hahahahaha. Hehehehehe. "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?  In what respect Charlie?"  (Charlie Gibson and Miss Wasilla, Sarah Palin.  Gibson later went on to explain to the flumoxed Palin what the Bush doctrine was).  You mean "the Iraq and such as?", Miss South Carolina.  LOL

Also, a compilation of "Scientific Consensus on Global Warming" Statements and Studies, LOL!!!:

http://www.ucsusa.org/ssi/climate-change/scientific-consensus-on.html

Talk about totally clueless.

Talk about totally clueless.

"The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

Thank you for proving me right.

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."  Albert Einstein

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

007 IQ

And it's not about ignoring the elephant in the room, the fact that
McAleer is lying ...about global cooling consensus in the 70's.

The elephant in the room is that you continuously lie. I already pointed out once to you that McAleer did not say anything about a consensus in the 70s. McAleer said

 "And the same environmentalists who are now saying it is warming, 20
and 30 years ago were saying we're going to have an ice age..."

We know this is a true statement but you keep putting words in his mouth that aren't there.

Then call it dissembling about global cooling, dbo

Then call it dissembling about global cooling, dbo.

The result is the same.  You and yours believe there was a consensus about global cooling in the 70's.

And name some of those same scientists who 20, 30 years ago were saying ice age, but are now saying it's warming.  That should be sooooo easy to find!  Go to it. I double dog dare ya! Yeeeeeehaaaaaaw!!!

Crickets.

McAleer is a dissembling liar.  But you suspend disbelief cause you want to believe sooooooooooooo bad.

007 brain cells

And name some of those same scientists who 20, 30 years ago were saying ice age, but are now saying it's warming

I already did. Why are you still lying about what McAleer said?

Is Schneider on the list?

Is Schneider on the list? There's some question on Hanson.  I'm not interested enough to go look.  And to be honest; it's irrelevant as science isn't about consensus. But I know what I saw and heard. But I should believe zero zero rather than my own lying eyes and ears.

I haven't seen the new film yet. So I don't know what he said. It looks like Schneider and Stanford crawfished.

Of course; Gore was proven to be wrong in a court of law. Again not science. 

Scheider who challenged skeptics to debate him; ran when skeptical scientist stepped forward. And a whole slew of climate hysterics are afraid even to mention the name Steve McIntyre. And. Of course Schmidt had his clock cleaned by Lindzen at the Intellegence Squared Debate.

NERC had such an embarassment when they held their debate and skeptical scientist, that we're told, don't exist, showed up. It was so bad; NERC had to change the rules to silence the skeptics. Then declared they won. Took their football and went home.

But hey; we have a consensus. Of course it depends on your definition of the word consensus. And requires you ignore everyone and everything that disagrees. And declare yourself the winner and go home crying.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

Not Evil Just Wrong

danbo,

if you're interested there is a live free showing of the movie starting in about 2 hours at 8pm ET. I'm actually just on my way out the door to meet McAleer as he is in my home town to launch the movie at a local theatre. There is a Q and A after put on by the Fraser Institute. I'm sure McAleer will be heartbroken when I tell him that 0.000007 ididn'tgetthememo has been saying terrible things about him. ;-)

Saw most of it. Good film.

Saw most of it. Good film.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

Give my regards to the flatearthers, dbo

Give my regards to the flatearthers, dbo.

Is the Fraser Institute offering a free oil change along with the free tix to the movie?  Your convenient source for climate change truth is corporate shills for the oil industry.  LOL!

I bet Chuck Norris will show up for the premier, aye.

 

Whatever

I bet Chuck Norris will show up for the premier, aye.

Actually Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore was there offering his support and taking questions as well.

The Co-Founder of Greenpeace was there??? LOL dbo

The Co-Founder of Greenpeace was there!!! LOL dbo

Yes, "Whatever".  Whatever it takes to mislead people is  a-ok with you and McAleer as long as it advances your cause.  From Wiki: 

Patrick Moore "is sometimes referred to as co-founder though this is disputed by the current Greenpeace organization and those it acknowledges as founders."

"He is now Chair and Chief Scientist of Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver,[4] a consulting firm that is often in opposition to Greenpeace".

So how do you classify your statement: "Actually Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore was there ".   Is it a lie or dissembling, dbo?  Let me know which because words are very important.  And people reading your statement would be left with exactly what impression, dbo?

You and McAleer are fast and free with the misleading propoganda, dba.

Source Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist)

Or maybe you like to read what Greenpeace has to say about Moore:   "Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace" or "Mr. Moore has been a paid spokesman for a variety of polluting industries, including the timber, mining, chemical and the aquaculture industries. Most of these industries hired Mr. Moore only after becoming the focus of a Greenpeace campaign to improve their environmental performance."

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/nuclear/patric-moore-background-inform

McAleer and Moore are earning big bucks for being flat earthers, I hope someone's paying you, dbo!

Yikes and Double Yikes

Yikes! I didn't think there was anyone who was concerned about the environment that didn't know about Patrick Moore and his story. You're even more ignorant than I thought. Must be some king of world record or something. Maybe you really are 007 years old. Greenpeace was launched in 1971 about 7 blocks from my home and Patrick Moore was there from day one (actually before that even in another organization) despite what some former disgruntled members try to spin. I witnessed his invovlement first hand. Moore went on to become president and the Director of Greenpeace International in the 1980's.

And people reading your statement would be left with exactly what impression, dbo?

That Moore was instrumental in Greenpeace activities and today he supports McAleer's film. Its not that complicated. Try and keep up.

Thanks for embarrassing yourself yet again and promoting the cause of climate realists. Maybe some day you'll grow up and who knows, may actually get one fact right in your life. Until then, adieu (that's a french word).

He,He, He - you know first hand what Greenpeace Denies, dbo

He,He, He - you know first hand what Greenpeace Denies, dbo.

And you link to Moore's resume that he wrote himself, as PROOF!!! 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Ya got nuthin!!!

 

DBO provides proof Patrick Moore is a Charlatan, LOL!!!

DBO provides proof Patrick Moore is a Charlatan, LOL!!!

I'm waitng, DBO.  You linked to Moore's own resume, that Moore wrote himself, wherin he lies about being a Greenpeace founder,  as proof of exactly what???  I'm stunned that you consider that proof.

I linked you to Greenpeace, who denies Moore was a founder,  - Now refute that, DBO!!!

You have to come up with actual proof corroborating your claims other than Moore's own resume.  Otherwise, ya got nuthin!

Whether Moore was a founder or not, your advancing claims that he was supposedly evidences his bonafides as an anti environmentalist.  You want to leave people with the "impression" that Moore is legitimate.  But the fact remains, he has no credibility whatsoever since he's now a corporate shill for the pollution industrial complex.  As Greenpeace points out:

"Mr. Moore has been a paid spokesman for a variety of polluting industries, including the timber, mining, chemical and the aquaculture industries. Most of these industries hired Mr. Moore only after becoming the focus of a Greenpeace campaign to improve their environmental performance."

curious

why would they allow newspapers to maintain for years that he was co-founder if he wasn't?

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

I've relieved curiosity, Katain

I'm curious as to why it matters whether he was a founder of greenpeace?  He currently has no credibility whatever the facts may be.

Here's what I already wrote:

Whether Moore was a founder or not, your advancing claims that he was supposedly evidences his bonafides as an anti environmentalist.  You want to leave people with the "impression" that Moore is legitimate.  But the fact remains, he has no credibility whatsoever since he's now a corporate shill for the pollution industrial complex.  As Greenpeace points out:

"Mr. Moore has been a paid spokesman for a variety of polluting industries, including the timber, mining, chemical and the aquaculture industries. Most of these industries hired Mr. Moore only after becoming the focus of a Greenpeace campaign to improve their environmental performance."

Interesting he studied a

Interesting he studied a period 65-79. He chronicled the rise of the AGW movement. Well duh.

Granted I did a quick look.

Did he give his search parameters? Did I miss it? Or are we to assume he reviewed every article in (was it?) AMS, Science and Nature?

By the early 1970s, when Mitchell updated his work

(Mitchell 1972), the notion of a global cooling trend

was widely accepted, albeit poorly understood.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

Did he give his search

Did he give his search parameters? Did I miss it? Or are we to assume
he reviewed every article in (was it?) AMS, Science and Nature?

Danbo,

this was my first thought too. This is the total number of studies in a 15 year period?? I can think of one just off the top off my head that's not there. Singer 1971 would probably be classified as neutral. I'm guessing like Oreskes bogus study there are hundreds if not thousands more. Besides McAleer didn't mention anything about a scientific consensus here. He said

And the same environmentalists who are now saying it is warming, 20
and 30 years ago were saying we're going to have an ice age. I'm old
enough to be at school and I was told that we're going into a new ice
age

We know this statement is true just by Schneider, Ehrlich, Holden etc. etc.

I'm not even sure I've heard anyone in the scientific community say there was a consensus of cooling.  Just that many scientists (and environmentalists) were pushing cooling. Even this 3rd rate study by Peterson proves that. I, like you, vividly remember being taught global cooling in school, especially on the first Earth Day.

OK I can play this game too

OK I can play this game too. AWG science is fundementally flawed. Causes and effects are often confused and actually substituted in Computer Models. The real bone of contention is the Positive forcings claimed by AWG proponents or the Chicken Little Crowd. The actual amount of warming that can attributed to an increase in Carbom Dioxide is around 1 degree C. AWG theory depends of a positive forcing which has been explained like this. More heat means more evaporation which means more water vapor which means more heat trapped. I know I have over simplified the explanation but it does not matter in this argument.

1. If the above theory is correct then how do we explain away times with much higher Carbon Dioxide levels and no run away heat or warming that follows? I admit we have to rely on Ice Cores for these samples and Tree rings and the like for estimates of Climatic Conditions. But common sense dictates there must also be negative forcings otherwise life could not exist. The models do take into account many known mechanisims but have no way of modeling clouds other than in a most rudimentary fashion.

Just ask your self one question. There is much evidence of Huge Forrest Fires in pre-historic times found in the fossils all around the globe. These mega fires released on a order of magnitude more Carbon Dioxide than has been released in the atmosphere today. Life continued to exist and thrive on this planet.

2. As stated earlier computer models do not reflect accurate or even reasonable representaions of the actions of clouds and aresols. When more water vapor is released in the atmosphere it does trap more heat but water vapor also forms clouds which reflect heat away. Clouds have a negative forcing and they also are the mechanism that allows the return of water vapor in the form of rain.

All of these mechanisms have been found not to be realistically included in the models. There is much disagreement on how much weight to apply to all these mechanisms.

In conclusion, life could not exist on this planet unless many different forcings or mechanisms were in place that keep the Climate in between certain values. It does not matter the source of the Carbon Dioxide because if it did life would not exist today. The average or normal Climate on this planet is ICE AGE CONDITIONS. The Ice Age, or cold periods, are much longer than the shorter warm periods.

There have always been People, Scientists, etc who have predicted doom. Why do you think the story of Chicken Little exists. There is something in Human Nature that not only causes people to make these predictions all the time and then large portions of the population willingly going along and believing them.

Folks, the climate has been warming the amounts of warming is pretty well understood the cause of the warming has never been agreed on. The energy input in the climate system comes almost exclusivly from the sun. There is also variability in the input. The climate is what is called a chaotic system always trying to reach an equilibrium which it can never do. In chaotic systems small changes in input can have huge changes in output. If there were no self-regulating mechanisms in place life could not exist.

So the entire AWG hypothosis has not been close to being accepted. The results have not been duplicated. We will still be here tomorrow unless we kill our selves and climate won't have a thing to do with it.

"There have always been

"There have always been People, Scientists, etc who have predicted doom. Why do you think the story of Chicken Little exists. There is something in Human Nature that not only causes people to make these predictions all the time and then large portions of the population willingly going along and believing them."

Although, "People" pretty well covers it, add politicians, charlatan pundits and religious leaders to that group and I couldn't agree with you more.  Fear and its spawns hatred and suspicion control the unwashed masses, and I'm just talking about the health care debate.

I also accept the fact that "Folks, the climate has been warming" but after that, you're on your own. 

There is hyperbole on both sides of the issue but erring on the side of caution, and consensus, shouldn't require paying heed to hyperbolic "fear" of drastic negative consequences.

The most drastic measure the United States could take in reducing carbon emissions is to commit to being energy independent.  That's not going to happen, but it would be the best thing that could happen.

Reach for the straws, flat earthers.

Reach for the straws, flat earthers.

You're so desperate to hold on to the slimmest piece of evidence supporting your far out theories that you dismiss the evidence in front of your face.

So, you "debunk" this article how again? Why bother? It just exposes the weakness of your case.

BTW. The American Meteoroligical Society was one of the more circumpspect of global warming theories in the first place. Sheesh!

Corection, AMS is most circumspect of global warming

CORRECTION:  The American Meteoroligical Society "IS" one of the most circumspect of global warming theories in the first place. Sheesh!

CO2 Pollutant Fraud

 .....Senator Kerry wants the “Cap and Trade” bill to be renamed the “Pollution Reduction” bill. He thinks that will be easier for the sucker/ignorant taxpayer to understand. But, it is a complete fraud and sham to do so. Apparently Senator Kerry himself is totally ignorant on this subject.  CO2 has NOTHING to do with air pollution.  

.....The current political battle over global warming/climate change is a totally different subject than “air pollution” and boils down to the fundamental issue of: "Does CO2 cause global warming?" How can carbon dioxide (CO2) be a pollutant when there would be no life on Earth, as we know it, without carbon dioxide (CO2)? CO2 is an invisible, odorless and non-toxic trace gas. CO2 comprises only 0.038% of the total atmosphere.

.....Carbon Dioxide (CO2) does not cause Global Warming because there is no past historical scientific factual evidence, data and/or records that link CO2 as a forcing factor or a cause of any past meaningful increasing temperature rises of climate warming periods. Any current rising temperatures is not causation. ALL other global warming arguments are irrelevant, since humans are incapable of controlling any various exogenous and endogenous natural processes of climate change.  

.....Sun cycles are a logical source of long term climate change but man's knowledge of long term sun cycles is practically zilch.  The UN IPCC is not a reliable scientific source on this subject.It is primarily political organization for a one-world government.

I for one would like to

I for one would like to thank Mr McAleer for his film. He was one of the few to point to the blood on the hands of the environmentalist.

I couldn't believe those environmentalist lecturing. Concerned that people "might" get cancer in 20 or 30 years. Or birds "might" die.

While children were dying around them.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

While children were dying around them, that's rich, danbo

"Environmentalist lecturing... While children were dying around them... point to the blood on the hands of the environmentalist", that's rich, danbo.  Did they premier that movie at the Chuckie Cheese Institute?

"I for one would like to thank (Sherrif) Mr McAleer" for saving my homestead from those evildoin libruls.  You're a great American, sir!

Just like Obama wants to provide health care for all Americans by killing Grandma, the environmentalists want to kill your children by reducing polution.  LOL!!! 

You flat earthers are getting way too close to the edge.

Wonderful person you are. 

Wonderful person you are.  Thank you again for your lecture in science and humanity.

Ta Ta.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. HEHEHE. I didn’t even know about it. Um. So, you’ve got me at a loss. I don’t know. (Charles Gibson of the dead media.)

And for your lecture on environmentalists' inhumanity, danbo

"Wonderful person you are" for your lecture on environmentalists' inhumanity, danbo.

It's so easy to hate the environmentalists when you can dehumanize them with accusations of killing children.  I'd LOL but it's too pathetic.

Tut. Tut.

 

He was one of the few to

He was one of the few to point to the blood on the hands of the environmentalist.

I spent 45 minutes with McAleer in an after film discussion and this was his true passion. The full title of the movie is actually 'Not Evil Just Wrong: The Human Cost Of Environmentalism.' He has spent his life as an environmental journalist and told story after story of atrocities committed by environmentalists. He would frequently get worked up into a fevered pitch about some of the things he has seen. It was actually quite moving.

Isn't it funny how environmentalists are so worried about the effects of DDT on birds and yet don't seem to have any problem with birds being slaughtered by wind turbines?

"Not Evil", except for killing your children, dbo. LOL!

"Not Evil", except for that killing your children part, dbo.  LOL!  Or are the environmentalis "just wrong" about those killings?

And how much $$$ is McAleer earning by "frequently getting worked up into a fevered pitch about some of the things he has seen. It was actually quite" a command performance.  LOL!

 

Libruls pretend to want to save us-but they conspire to kill us.

Every wing nut argument boils down to the same simpleminded conspiracy theory - Libruls pretend to want to save us, but actually they have a sinister plan to kill our children.

Do you notice the "killing" pattern?  Doesn't it get old?