FNC: Bush Volunteered for Vietnam, CBS's Mapes Knowingly Omitted from Story

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On Tuesday, FNC's The O'Reilly Factor hosted FNC analyst Bernard Goldberg as the former CBS News correspondent highlighted a story recently posted on his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, in which he complains of how little mainstream media attention was given to the fact that former President George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam as part of his service in the Texas Air National Guard, but that he was turned down because other pilots were more experienced, and that CBS News producer Mary Mapes, even though she knew this part of the story before the report aired, did not include this important angle in the infamous piece by Dan Rather that used forged documents to paint Bush as trying to avoid Vietnam War service.

On his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, Goldberg chastizes Mapes:

However the complexities and seeming contradictions are interpreted, if Bush at any point had volunteered to fly combat missions in Vietnam – as the CBS investigation unequivocally states — how then could he have been a slacker?  The clear answer is that he could not – unless, of course, he volunteered to go to Vietnam knowing full well he wouldn’t be taken.  But if that was the case, Mapes would have had an obligation to report both that he volunteered and then produce a credible witness to say it was a sham.  She did neither.

Mapes, a well-known liberal at CBS News, has always contended that she had no agenda, that she was not out to get President Bush.  But if she knew that George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam – as the CBS outside panel clearly concludes — she obviously had an obligation to share that with her viewers.

[UPDATE: Accuracy in Media, in a January 10, 2005 press release, had highlighted the same revelation in the report conducted by the outside panel for CBS News.]

Below is a transcript of portions of Goldberg's observations from his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com: 

What seems like a long, long time ago Dan Rather was a very powerful force in American journalism.  He not only was the anchorman of the CBS Evening News, he was also the face of the network’s renowned news division — the “Tiffany” network of bigger-than-life legends like Ed Murrow, Walter Cronkite, Eric Sevareid, Mike Wallace and many, many others.

That was then.  Now Dan Rather is suing the network that employed him for 44 years, asking for $70 million dollars in damages.  Technically, the lawsuit is about a dry legal issue — breach of contract.  But it is also about something much more personal to Rather:  his legacy.  It is a lawsuit, fundamentally, about saving Dan Rather’s reputation.

That reputation took a turn for the worse back in 2004.  As has been widely reported, just 55 days before a very close presidential election, Dan Rather and his producer Mary Mapes put a story on the weekday edition of 60 Minutes that brought on the media equivalent of World War III.  There were accusations that Rather, Mapes, and maybe the entire CBS News Division had set out to deliberately destroy George W. Bush and get John Kerry elected President of the United States – a charge everyone at CBS vehemently denies.

The story was about how the young George Bush got preferential treatment during the Vietnam War; how he wangled his way into the Texas Air National Guard back in the 1960s to avoid service in Vietnam;  and how he was able to do it because his father was a big-shot, a United States Congressman from Houston. The story portrayed the Bush as a slacker. Others have said it portrayed him as a “cowardly draft dodger.”

And to bolster their story, Rather and Mapes got their hands on “never-before-seen” documents (as Rather put it in his story) that supposedly backed up their months (and in Mapes’ case, years) of reporting.  But in no time flat the documents came under attack, mainly by conservatives on the web who examined the typeface of the memos and concluded they were fakes.

CBS News management aggressively defended the story in general and the documents in particular – until they didn’t. After about two weeks, CBS threw in the towel and said it could no longer stand by the story.  Rather, who had been vigorously defending his story, reluctantly went on the air and admitted the documents could not be authenticated.  Later he would say he was forced to do it.

In the aftermath of the fiasco, CBS established an outside panel to look into the matter.  In January of 2005 the panel issued a report which concluded the news division failed to establish that the documents were legitimate and not bogus. Mapes was fired.  A vice president and two producers were forced to resign.  And Dan Rather was a dead man walking.

He had already lost his job as anchorman of the evening news but was allowed to stay on the weekday edition of 60 Minutes, which his story had sent on a glide path to oblivion.  And when that show died an inglorious death Rather went over to the Sunday edition of 60 Minutes. But that wouldn’t last long, either.  When his contract ran out CBS yanked him off the show, but made him an offer he decided to refuse:  Rather would get an office and an assistant and he could report stories for any CBS News broadcast that called on him – if any CBS News broadcast ever chose to call on him.  CBS offered Rather $250,000 a year, according to my sources, who say he wanted a million.  When he didn’t get it, he quit.  According to Rather, he was pushed out the door by the head of CBS, Leslie Moonves.

In 2007, Rather filed his $70 million lawsuit against his old company saying he wasn’t allowed to defend his story because the top management of CBS’ parent company, Viacom, wanted to appease the Bush Administration and protect its business interests.

Until now, the controversy over the Rather/Mapes story has centered almost entirely on one issue:  the legitimacy of the documents – a very important issue, indeed.  But it turns out that there was another very important issue, one that goes to the very heart of what the story was about – and one that has gone virtually unnoticed. This is it:  Mary Mapes knew before she put the story on the air that George W. Bush, the alleged slacker, had in fact volunteered to go to Vietnam.

Who says?  The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.”  When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:

Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots.  For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.”  Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.

This information, despite the fact that it has been available since the CBS report came out four years ago, has remained a secret to almost everybody both in and out of the media — one lonely fact in a 234- page report loaded with thousands of facts, and overshadowed by the controversy surrounding the documents.

I made an online check and discovered that while a few websites noted the CBS finding, the story got no ink (that I could find) on the news pages of any big mainstream paper.  I did manage to find two opinion pieces about the CBS mess – one in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, the other in the Miami Herald — that briefly, and only in passing, mentioned the “Bush volunteered” angle. But that was it!  A check of network newscasts turned up nothing. And when I questioned two journalists with intimate knowledge of the story, both said Mapes never shared her information with them.

For the record:  George W. Bush has always maintained that he joined the National Guard not to avoid service in Vietnam but because he wanted to be a fighter pilot. He has openly acknowledged that he did not want to be drafted and serve in the infantry, and says he signed up for the Guard knowing full well he would have to spend almost two years in flight training and another four years in part-time service.

It is also true, however, that in his 1968 application to join the Texas Air National Guard Bush was asked if he wanted to go overseas and he checked the box that said “do not volunteer.”  But as the Washington Post reported on July 28, 1999:  “Bush said in an interview that he did not recall checking the box. Two weeks later, his office provided a statement from a former, state-level Air Guard personnel officer, asserting that since Bush ‘was applying for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have been inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas assignment and he probably was so advised by the military personnel clerk assisting him in completing the form.’”  He later told the Post:  “Had my unit been called up, I’d have gone . . . to Vietnam.  I was prepared to go.”

However the complexities and seeming contradictions are interpreted, if Bush at any point had volunteered to fly combat missions in Vietnam – as the CBS investigation unequivocally states — how then could he have been a slacker?  The clear answer is that he could not – unless, of course, he volunteered to go to Vietnam knowing full well he wouldn’t be taken.  But if that was the case Mapes would have had an obligation to report both that he volunteered and then produce a credible witness to say it was a sham.  She did neither.

Mapes, a well-known liberal at CBS News, has always contended that she had no agenda, that she was not out to get President Bush.  But if she knew that George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam – as the CBS outside panel clearly concludes — she obviously had an obligation to share that with her viewers.

Now the question is, did she share what she knew with her correspondent, Dan Rather.  Or to put it another way:  What did Rather know — and when did he know it?  The answers may come out at trial, if his case against CBS goes that far.  At the moment, neither side appears anxious to settle.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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I sent this in as a

I sent this in as a tip...didn't even get credit. :(

Hahah :) j/k. But I DID send it in about three hours ago. What a coincidence huh. :) 

Re Rather

Tip line gives me odd bounce messages.

I saw it on BOR. It doesn't surprise me that the Rather team came across evidence proving President George W. Bush served honorably in the TANG, but I am surprised that they wrote it down for the record. I would have thought that anything positive wrt the President would have gone in the trash.

Mapes and Rather are just lying sacks of crap. That's all there is to it.

 

What is the Truth about Anything Anymore?

With the news media and entertainment media there has been so many lies and half truths and innuendo that I have to think hard to pin down exactly when it was that I regarded what they offered was actually the truth.  I'm guessing perhaps sometime in the 1950s. 

Remember when Hollywood was patriotic and rooted for our military and the American way of life?  Remember when Capitalism was regarded as a healthy part of America?  Remember when a national news organization sought out and reported the truth?

I know it seems like an endless, fruitless task but we have to keep banging away at the Ignorant Masses to wake them the hell up.

This is why I think there

This is why I think there is a HUGE market for the truth out there in TV land.

If FOX or someone else would go up against the over-the-air broadcasters, not just the cable and satellite networks, and fill up the timeslots with truth, they would obliterate ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS.

FOX already has affilliations with local TV stations all over the country, and with digital TV there are many secondary channels for each station, so this should be easy.  And I wouldn't limit it to news shows either.  I have entertainment and educational programming as well.

I have floated this idea to FOX several times over the past 10 years or so, but they never respond.

Isn’t this story George Bush’s fault?

All throughout George Bush’ presidency we on the right were frustrated that President Bush never seemed to fight back against his critics. Why didn’t he mention to someone that he volunteered for Viet Nam? That would popped Dan Rather’s and Mary Mapes’ bubble. Geez.

Why didn’t he mention to someone that he volunteered for Viet Na

Because that wouldn't have stopped his critics, and likely would've just encouraged them to step up the attacks.

Bush was in the final weeks of a brutal and close Presidential election campaign.  Had he allowed himself to be distracted by Rather-gate -- which was probably part of Rather's intention -- instead of focusing on the election, he might have lost. 

 

Re Why...

Thanks. President George W. Bush was right to not engage Rather while Rather was in self-destruction mode. His big story was being torn up all over the internet, and had the President challenged him directly, that challenge would have become the story. This was brilliantly played by the President.

Documentation

Why didn’t he mention to someone that he volunteered for Viet Nam?

Bush may not have had any documentation to back that claim up.  Mapes and Rather DID have documentation that said he didn't (that checkbox mentioned above that states "Did not volunteer").

It would have been Bush's word against the document and media's.  Guess which side the media would take.

 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."

--Ernesto "Che" Guevara

You are right. George Bush is a class guy, a trait...

that eludes most Liberals including our current President.  He must have figured if he fought every lie told about him, he would have time for little else, so he ignored the yelping curs.  Watch for some of them to show up on this page.  I am sure he will set the record straight in his autobiography.  Jim Webster

Just more reasons why.

 

The government registers and licenses every other 'profession' in this country, and if they don't perform to minimum standards, they pull the licenses.

With garbage like this in the media, WHY NOT regulate and license?

Not for content, but for accuracy and HONESTY in 'reporting' the news.

They woould still be free to state their personal opinions on any subject, as long as it is presented as THEIR PERSONAL OPINION!

 

http://gjresult.com

 

Willis,

not only no, but hell no!!  The SRM is bad enough now, can you even imagine what it would be like if the gubmint got involved?  I'm sure that no one on Fox would be licensed, but Olberdork would be elevated to Minister of Propaganda.  Oops, he already is. 

Seriously, as bad as the media is today, government licensing of this "profession" would just turn it into an entity far worse than it is now.  

More proof of media bias

Never let the truth get in the way of  a good story.  And NEVER malign those who serve in the National Guard.  My Dad's unit of the National Guard volunteered for Korea 3 times, and Viet Nam 5 times.  As an ENTIRE UNIT!  They were turned down because their jobs were to insure that the heavy artillery that was going into combat was 100% and the Pentagon wanted to insure that the quality level that they achieved stayed in place to support the front line combat troops.  These are some of the most Patriotic people you will ever see in your lives..  God Bless them all....

29th Infantry Division

Units of the Virginia and Maryland National Guard comprised the Blue and Grey Division - the 29th Infantry Division which went ashore during the D-Day invasion.

http://www.tisinc99....

"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."

Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941

grumpy--

A salute to your Dad and those men. God bless them. I served during the Korean gig, in the navy.

Unbelievable

It's just unbelievable.

Here's a TV network that gives out false information. Other media outlets quickly discover the errors and play up the errors.  After a short time, 16 days late,  the network, unbelievably, does the following.

  1.  They apologize for the false information.
  2.  They promise to investigate how and why they put out this false information.

Bizarrely, they do the following:

  1. They conduct a thorough investigation and discover that a producer omitted to include important information.
  2.  A few months after the 60 minutes story ran , they  publicly release a 234 page detailed report on the errors.
  3. They punish those responsible for the error and make process changes so this is less likely to happen in the future.


One more piece of information:  Shortly after the story came out Bush provided good evidence that he had volunteered.

Four years after the report comes out, the O'Reilly Factor hosted FNC analyst Bernard Goldberg and breathless revelations.

Revelation #1:  The January 2005  234 page report concludes  that  Mapes knew that Bush had volunteered for Vietnam and omitted it from the story.

Revelation #2:  The media did not cover revelation #1 when the January 2005 report came out.

Goldberg wrote:

I made an online check and discovered that while a few websites noted the CBS finding, the story got no ink (that I could find) on the news pages of any big mainstream paper.  I did manage to find two opinion pieces about the CBS mess – one in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, the other in the Miami Herald — that briefly, and only in passing, mentioned the “Bush volunteered” angle. But that was it!  A check of network newscasts turned up nothing.


How did Goldberg learn about Revelation #1? 
"I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.”

Oh, there are so many places to go from here.

First, media incompetence is everywhere.  Goldberg goes on The  O'Reilley Factor  and  O'Reilley admits he didn't know about Revelation #1.   Here it is, a 234 page report that exposes the errors and omissions of CBS News.  The mainstream media don't cover this.  And neither does anyone in the right wing echo chamber,  including O'Reilley,  covers this.  They couldn't be bothered to have a staff person go through a lousy 234 page report looking for more information to beat up CBS.

What's Goldberg's personal excuse?

This information, despite the fact that it has been available since the CBS report came out four years ago, has remained a secret to almost everybody both in and out of the media — one lonely fact in a 234- page report loaded with thousands of facts, and overshadowed by the controversy surrounding the documents. .

Second, there has been great criticism  of a few pages of HR3200.  Section 123, 124, 1233 and the part on Effectiveness Research.  It is clear beyond doubt that many who spoke on these topics on TV (1) never read it  (2) read it but can't understand it or (3) read it, understood it but lied and distorted what was written there.  This applies especially to the right-wing echo chamber but the rest of the media didn't do much better.  

Third, let's apply the CBS standard to the obvious errors  in  this summer's reporting.

(1)There were never any death panels deciding who would get treatment or not.  Even death panel Betsy agreed on the Jon Stewart show that there were no death panels in HR3200. 

Ezra Emanual is not a "deadly doctor." He has written many books and articles on health care ethics.  He is a staunch opponent of euthanasia and physician assisted suicide as can be clearly scene in his 1997 article in the Atlantic monthly. 
Amongst all those who words, there some words about how do you make choices among people when their health care MUST be rationed as in the case of organ transplants.  For example, If you've got one kidney and  three patients who need a transplant how do you choose who gets the kidney.  Patient A is 20 years old. Patient B is 20 years old, a drug user and stopped drinking to excess 3 months ago.  Patient C is 70 year old.   All over American , there are groups and guidelines that decide whether A, B or C get the kidney. That has nothing to do with rationing health care outside of this limited area.

If the CBS response to its errors applied to this summer, there'd be a whole new lineup on Fox News including both 'news reporters'   and commentators.  CNN would have fired Lou Dobbs.

The real revelation is no revelation.  The media are incredibly lazy and ignorant . The deeper inside their particular echo chamber they are, the lazier and more ignorant they are.

 

Well reasoned

Well reasoned post. 

While I don't agree with everything I must admit I saw this BOR segment and asked myself: "Why are you doing this Bill?"

I think the only thing I learned was that Bush volunteered to got to Vietman. He was turned down because of a lack of flying hours. And of course the great BOR, being on the side of the "folks" and all, brought up the possibility that Bush knew he couldn't go because he didn't have enough flight hours. That sly devil Bush!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

The fine print

Thanks for the compliment.

 I can't remember if anyone ever figured out if Bush's request to go to Vietnam was a genuine one, or one he knew would be rejected because he knew he didn't have the necessary flying hours?  If it isn't clear one way or the other, the benefit has to go to Bush.

At times during the Vietnam war there was a shortage of fighter-bomber pilots.

. If I remember correctly, at one time there was such a shortage of fighter pilots they took b-52 and tanker pilots, gave them a bit of training and sent them off in fighter-bombers

 

 

 

 

 

 

BO'R (and Goldberg) was

BO'R (and Goldberg) was doing this (I gathered) to thrash Mapes and, less so, Rather and CBS. Bush is really an aside here.

Write Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!

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Please note (as if you didn't already know). Our first...

two yelping curs have reported for duty.  Jim Webster

Hey Bernie...

" George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam" ...in 1980! 

I laughed so hard I ...

<rolled my eyes> 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Kengie makes a funny

"Knock knock."

"Who's there?"

"Ha!"

"Ha who?"

"Ha ha hee hee ho!" [Kengie runs off smiling, well-pleased with his "joke"]

Lucky To Ever Find Out

Mapes was a tool with a title. Rather knew everything. Everything on his show happened at his behest. He was King Dan. He ran CBS. Why do you think it took so long to run him off? CBS only did it because they had to in order to stay in business.

Goldberg Follies and Never Specifically Volunteered Vietnam

Foolish me. I'd forgotten the details and  had assumed that Bush had specifically volunteered for service in Vietnam.  Took a couple of minutes to find out that he didn't.  Who says so? Bush says so.

Funny, they didn't mention this during the Goldberg follies.

From a  Washington Post article from 1999. 

 

Among the questions Bush had to answer on his application forms was
whether he wanted to go overseas. Bush checked the box that said: "do
not volunteer."

Bush said in an interview that he did not recall checking the box. Two
weeks later, his office provided a statement from a former, state-level
Air Guard personnel officer, asserting that since Bush "was applying
for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have
been inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas
assignment and he probably was so advised by the military personnel
clerk assisting him in completing the form."

During a second interview, Bush himself raised the issue.

"Had my unit been called up, I'd have gone . . . to Vietnam," Bush said. "I was prepared to go."

But there was no chance Bush's unit would be ordered overseas. Bush
says that toward the end of his training in 1970, he tried to volunteer
for overseas duty, asking a commander to put his name on the list for a
"Palace Alert" program, which dispatched qualified F-102 pilots in the
Guard to the Europe and the Far East, occasionally to Vietnam, on
three- to six-month assignments.

He was turned down on the spot. "I did [ask] – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.

Only pilots with extensive flying time – at the outset, 1,000 hours
were required – were sent overseas under the voluntary program. The Air
Force, moreover, was retiring the aging F-102s and had ordered all
overseas F-102 units closed down as of June 30, 1970.

Ain't the internet and search engines wonderful.

 

 

 

 

Rather and Mapes forged

Rather and Mapes forged papers aside (which, alone, put the lie to this story), what part of " "I did [ask] – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.
" don't you understand? You can't truly be that vapid. Must be a desire to be misinformed. 

P.S. Goldberg did bring this up.

D

Write Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Vapid yelping cur checks in.

Jim Webster

A bit more research and the worse Bush looks

Did Bush go to his commander and ask to be sent to Vietnam?  No.

Bush's F-102 training ended in June, 1970. Near that time, he asked to put his name on the list for the "Palace Alert" program. (see above). This program required, at first, a minimum of 1000 hours, which Bush didn't have.

From an old anti-Bush website someone wrote that Bush had 300 hours in the F-102 and volunteered for a 3 month tour in Vietnam.  But, althogh they needed f102 pilots, you needed 500 hours to go to Vietnam.  This may be referring to the Palace Alert program or something else.  

So far, the best evidence is Bush's own words which doesn't have him "volunteering to go to Vietnam."

 

Even the best spinning of a pro-Bush site doesn't do much better.

Bush then returned to Ellington in Texas to complete seven months of combat crew training on the F-102 from
December 1969 to June 1970. This period included five weeks of training on the T-33 Shooting Star and 16 weeks
aboard the TF-102 Delta Dagger two-seat trainer and finally the single-seat F-102A. Bush graduated from the
training program in June 1970. When interviewed by the
Associated
Press
in February 2004, flight instructor Maj. Udell recalled that Lt. Bush was one of his best students saying
that, "I'd rank him in the top five percent."

As Bush was completing his training and being certified as a qualified pilot, there was always the possibility that
the ANG might be mobilized to send F-102 squadrons to Vietnam. However, the F-102 had originally been stationed in
that theater to guard against the possibility of air attack from the North, a danger that never materialized since
North Vietnamese pilots refused to stray south of the border and outside their own protective SAM barrier. This
lack of a threat prompted the Air Force to gradually withdraw the F-102 from southeast Asia beginning in December
1969 and concluding in May 1971. The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of providing air defense for
the United States. This vital mission had been almost entirely transferred to the ANG by that time since the Air
Force had become increasingly tasked with its overseas responsibilities in Europe and Asia.

 

 

 

Shel the Shill

Shill your BDS elsewhere.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Freedom of the Press for those Who Own the Press

This'll upset them.

Why is that people in the right-wing echo
chamber are less open to differing views than the people in the
left-wing echo chamber?  After a couple of posts here, I've got someone asking me to leave.  Compare that to mediamatters.org, where those with differing views aren't asked to leave after a couple of posts.

Here's where it gets really funny: People
in the right-wing echo chamber are much more likely to invoke the US
Constitution and being an individual and the importance of Free
Speech.  Yet, they're the ones who try to stifle  opposing views ---
both here and at the Town Hall meetings

Personally, I like to read opposing views, provided that there's evidence that I'm not reading the echoes coming off a dining room table.

 

 

 

Re Shills

The first mistake is always made in engaging the troll.

The Dumbing Down of America

You look so much less foolish when you make sure you know what a
word or phrase means before you use it in public. It only takes a
minute or two to be sure.

Top 3 results for internet troll.

http://en.wikipedia....

http://www.flayme.co...

http://www.wisegeek....

Seems that

you fit the definition to a T.  Is this the weekly talking point from DU, or Kos?  Or Media Matters?  If you're using your membership at MM for your street cred, you are truly a pathetic troller. 

Did Bush go to his commander and ask to be sent to Vietnam? No.

 

Did you ever serve, Shel?  If you did, you know that you don't "go to" the C. O. and ask to be sent to Vietnam.  There was, at the time, a prescribed method to volunteer for service in Vietnam.  You filled out the paperwork, and if the C.O. was of the mind that you could be useful, depending on MOS, and the skills you would take, he either agreed or not.   If you didn't serve, you don't know what you're talking about, anyway.  And quoting the WaPo, or NYT, or CBS, doesn't really do much to enhance your arguments at all.  

By not mentioning that George Bush volunteered for service in...

Viet Nam in her conjured up story, Mary Mapes brings to mind a neat title for a book:  "An Inconvenient Truth".  Oh sorry, did you say that title has already been taken?  Jim Webster

"Well of course he

"Well of course he volunteered to go to Vietnam.  He's a baby-killing reactionary like Nixon and the rest of them and besides it was an illegal war against peaceful fellow human beings."-My Libtard alter ego.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Follow the $$$

I want to know how well Mapes - and Rather - knew George Soros?  Were they part of one of his many orgaizations?  Bet there is a link if we look hard enough.  Were they ever on Bill Moyers show?