ABC’s Stossel Slams Socialized Medicine, Finds Obama Expressed Interest in Single Payer System

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On Friday’s 20/20 on ABC, co-anchor John Stossel exposed the flaws in the Canadian and British government-run health care systems, and even showed viewers a clip of President Obama as he once expressed a belief that single-payer health care would be an acceptable system, even while taking the position that he would not pursue it, during one of the Democratic party presidential debates in 2008. During the January 21, 2008, debate on CNN, Obama said:

It's fine for us to have a debate about how the best way to get there is, but to suggest somehow that I'm not interested in having everybody covered, or to suggest, as Hillary just did, that I was in favor of single payer, I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single payer. What I said was that if I were starting from scratch, if we didn't have a system in which employers had typically provided health care, I would probably go with a single-payer system.

During the six-minute, 20-second segment -- which can be seen here -- Stossel informed viewers of the long waits patients must endure in countries with government-run health systems – like Canada and Britain. He recounted that some patients – including world leaders and wealthy celebrities – come to America for treatment of serious conditions, and relayed the case of one Canadian woman who came to America to treat a clogged artery whose American doctor told her she would not have survived waiting a few more weeks for Canada's government health care. Additionally, Stossel found that even patients waiting in emergency rooms in Canada have to wait an average of 23 hours for service.

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Stossel recounted the case of a Canadian town with so many people waiting in line to be assigned to a family doctor that each month a lottery chooses four lucky residents. And in England, the shortage of dentists leads some Britons to pull their own teeth or try to repair problems on their own.

The 20/20 co-anchor summed up the importance of a profit motive for the health care industry to function adequately as he recounted that in Canada, private veterinary clinics provide health care for animals much more rapidly than the government-run system provides similar services for human patients:

JOHN STOSSEL: You want innovation and fast treatment? That often comes from people pursuing profit. And you see that in Canada because, even here, there is one area where they do offer easy access to cutting edge technology-

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: -CT Scan, endoscopy, thoracoscopy, laporoscopy-

STOSSEL: -available all the time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: -24 hours, seven days a week-

STOSSEL: Patients rarely wait.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: If I see a patient that’s torn a crusciate ligament in that patient’s knee, we can generally have that patient scheduled within probably a week.

STOSSEL: But you have to bark or meow to get that kind of treatment. Want a CT Scan in Canada? Private vet clinics say they can get a dog in the next day. For people, the waiting list is a month.

Below is a complete transcript of the segment from the Friday, July 31, 20/20 on ABC:

JOHN STOSSEL: Some in Congress say they’re moving closer to a plan that will make health care cheaper and better. Sounds great. But when government takes charge, it can also mean innovation stops, and you may not get the breakthroughs and care that you need to save your life.

BARACK OBAMA IN FRONT OF AUDIENCE: -affordable health care for every single American, that’s what we’re called upon to do.

STOSSEL: Care for everyone, for less money. Critics say that just isn’t possible.

SALLY PIPES, PACIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE: The only way they can get costs down under a government-run system is to control the amount of money that is spent on health care. But there is much more of a demand for health care than the government is willing to pay for. We will have long waits for care just like they do in Canada and in Great Britain.

STOSSEL: Those countries do have problems.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The nationwide shortage of NHS dentists-

STOSSEL: In England, people wait just to register for a dentist. Waits are so long, some people do it themselves. He used superglue. Some pull their own teeth. Dental tools – pliers and Vodka. Patients protest because the health service won’t pay for drugs they say they need. The President says he doesn’t want that.

OBAMA: -you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this: They’re not telling the truth.

STOSSEL: But once, he did say that if he were starting from scratch-

OBAMA, FROM DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY DEBATE: I would probably go with a single-payer system.

STOSSEL: He says he doesn’t want government-run health care.

PIPES: He does want government health care. He just wants to go about it in a slow way so people don’t realize what’s happening to them.

STOSSEL: Many pundits and economists agree, saying Obama’s plan will build "a bridge to government-run health care."

PIPES: -and we’re all going to face long waiting lists and have lack of access to the latest care.

DOCTOR DAVID GRATZER, AUTHOR OF THE CURE: People line up for care, some of them die, that’s what happens.

STOSSEL: Canadian Doctor David Gratzer thought Canada’s government health care was great until he started treating patients.

GRATZER; The more time I spent in the Canadian system, the more I came across people waiting for radiation therapy, waiting for the knee replacement so they could finally walk up to the second floor of their house-

STOSSEL: People wait in line?

GRATZER: You want to see your neurologist because of your stress headache? No problem. You just have to wait six months. You want an MRI? No problem. Free as the air. You just got to wait six months.

STOSSEL: But Canadian doctors told us their system is cracking. This man had a heart attack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DOCTOR: What did they tell you about when an ICU bed might become available?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE PATIENT: They’re waiting for the chance that somebody may be transferred so that I can get that spot.

STOSSEL: In America, people wait in emergency rooms, too, but in Canada, if you’re sick enough to be admitted, you wait an average 23 hours.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DOCTOR: You can’t send these patients to other hospitals that have capacity because there is no other hospital in the area that has capacity.

STOSSEL: There was no bed for this little girl, and she had no pediatrician that her parents could take her to to monitor her seizures. In fact, 1.7 million Canadians say they can’t get a family doctor. Some towns, like this one outside Toronto, hold a lottery. Once a month, the town clerk gets this box out of the closet. Inside are names of everyone who wants a family doctor. She pulls out four slips and then calls the lucky winners.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN ON PHONE: I just wanted to let you know that your name has been drawn for Dr. Keel’s patient list. Oh, you’re quite welcome.

STOSSEL: Others in town must wait. Businessman Rick Baker makes money from Canadian rationing. People stuck on waiting lists like Shirley Healy pay him to get them to America for treatment. Healy had a blocked artery that kept her from digesting her food.

RICK BAKER, CANADIAN BUSINESSMAN: She was starving to death. She’d lost 50 pounds.

STOSSEL: She hired Rick to help her get to this hospital in Washington state where she saw an American doctor.

HEALY: The doctor said that I would have had only a very few weeks to live.

STOSSEL: Yet the Canadian government calls her surgery elective.

HEALY: The only thing elective about this surgery was I elected to live.

STOSSEL: When this Canadian woman was about to give birth to quadruplets, she was told, "Sorry, all the neonatal units are too crowded." She had to fly to Montana.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ANCHOR: Actress Natasha Richardson is said to be in critical condition-

STOSSEL: After Natasha Richardson fell while skiing in Montreal, she needed a high-tech trauma center but there wasn’t one within hundreds of miles. And there were no med evac helicopters to take her to one.

STOSSEL: So, yes, our profit-driven system is expensive and sometimes wasteful. But it’s that pursuit of profit that’s given us inventions that save lives.

GRATZER: This is the country of medical innovation. This is where people come when they need treatment.

STOSSEL: Thousands come here from countries with government health care. When this Spanish tenor got cancer, he came to America. So did this sheikh from the United Arab Emirates, Italy’s prime minister, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

GRATER: Literally, we’re surrounded by medical miracles. Death by cardiovascular disease has dropped by two-thirds in the last 50 years. You got to pay a price for that type of advancement.

STOSSEL: Breakthroughs like birth control pills and robotic limbs wouldn’t have happened without the possibility of big profit, says Grace Marie Turner of the Galen Institute.

GRACE MARIE TURNER, GALEN INSTITUTE: I want companies to come up with cures for Parkinson’s, cures for cancer, cures for Alzheimer’s. And unless there is a reward for them to do that, we’re not going to have those new medicines.

STOSSEL: Well, government has researchers. We have the NIH.

TURNER: Government is responsible for four percent of the drugs on the market today.

STOSSEL: She’s right. You want innovation and fast treatment? That often comes from people pursuing profit. And you see that in Canada because, even here, there is one area where they do offer easy access to cutting edge technology-

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: -CT Scan, endoscopy, thoracoscopy, laporoscopy-

STOSSEL: -available all the time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: -24 hours, seven days a week-

STOSSEL: Patients rarely wait.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE VETERINARIAN: If I see a patient that’s torn a crusciate ligament in that patient’s knee, we can generally have that patient scheduled within probably a week.

STOSSEL: But you have to bark or meow to get that kind of treatment. Want a CT Scan in Canada? Private vet clinics say they can get a dog in the next day. For people, the waiting list is a month.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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 I would probably go with

 I would probably go with a single-payer system.

Clunker Health Care for all:

1.Long wait times

2.Backlogs

3.Computer jams (health records online)

4. Four months of funding spent it four days

 

What could go wrong? 

 

Stossel is and has been one

Stossel is and has been one of the best investigavitve reports that there has been for years now, he gets little air time.

It infuriates me, he is one of the best, I wished Fox would hire him...along with Lisa Myers, I've been watching them both forever, Lisa longer, their stories have been put on the back-burners numerous times, they don't fit in with the leftist agenda of the people they work for.

I can think of two people Fox could get rid of, to do so, plus still work in Dobbs.

Oh well, one can dream.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart.

Euphemisms for socialist medical care....

I just love all of these names floating around for socialist medical care.  We need to start calling it what it truly is:  "Health-care-for-deadbeats-that-voted-for-a-president-who-promised-to-make-somebody-else, that-didn't-vote-for-him, pay-for-their-medical-expenses". Sure, HCFDTVFAPWPTMSE,TDVFH,PFTME is a cumbersome acronym.  But it's accurate.

The only people stupid enough to support ObamaCare are the people that are stupid enough to believe you can get something for nothing.

I got a chuckle out of the glee shown by liberals when Exxon-Mobile just announced that their profits were way down.  The libs were happy about the evil oil companies not making as much profit, but what they obviously failed to comprehend was that those same oil companies would also be paying billions less in income taxes to their beloved big government enterprise.  Be careful what you wish for, right?

 

 

"Fascism is rightly seen as the merger of the Corporation and Government." -B. Mussolini

Just a note from the UK

We are visiting Scotland, Ireland, and the UK. The big stories on the news have been 22 yo alcoholic boy (been drinking since 13) denied a liver transplant. He died.

 Pregnant woman with H1N1, critically ill had to be sent to Sweden because the 5, yes, 5 beds which were set aside for this sort of illness were full.

Under 30 woman with a lump in her breast went to her GP, he told her it was nothing...few months later went to a second GP, same thing, later went to a third who found her breast cancer. It, of course, had spread. She finally had her surgery. She was denied the care at first because she did not fit the criteria for breast cancer as she was under 30. When she was diagnosed her twin also found a lump and hers was caught in time.

I could go on, but you have the idea.

The following will not be exact because I earned my MSN a few years ago, but there were more MRI's and CT's scans in the town of a million or so I live in than the entire province of British Columbia...this should tell you something.

Obama doesn't have to say

Obama doesn't have to say it, the dems in congress are saying it for him. Pelosi saying the end is near for insurance companies, Frank saying this is a step towards single payer health care. There's no doubt that's what's on Bambi's mind. Only a fool believes otherwise.

ABC must have caved to Stoessel

like those DINOs caved to Waxman yesterday.

I saw the piece and thought he did a good job of getting in what he needed to in such a short period of time.

However, none of it matters, because Obama and Nazi Piglosi are not going to let regular ol' Americans stop them from implementing rationed healthcare because they don't play by the rules.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A LIST OF NAMES OF THOSE WHO VOTED YES ON ALL 3 COMMITTEES FOR OBAMA'S RATIONED HEALTHCARE?

Thanks for your help.

I watched this segment, I

I watched this segment, I was horrified! We must stop this wave toward government take over of our healthcare! I have emailed and called all my Congress members. I fear it won't matter.

Tell me. You were aware of the rationing

that happens when Big Brother provides your healthcare?

This is not new news.

Animal Farm

STOSSEL: But you have to bark or meow to get that kind of treatment. Want a CT Scan in Canada? Private vet clinics say they can get a dog in the next day. For people, the waiting list is a month.

And Orwell hits another bullseye.  Four legs good, two legs bad. 

 

Ba-ZING!

 

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Daily Sarah Palin fact:

Sarah Palin believes the government that governs best is the government that governs least.
(I know she didn't originate the saying.  I'm just saying she believes it.)

I always thought

I always thought that Obama's plan was a sneaky back-door to a single payer system.  Such scum, these people are.  If you're healthy, great; if you're not, too bad and you die.  People had better start contacting their reps and letting them know that if they vote for this disaster, they won't have a job the next time an election rolls around.

These Blue Dogs are lapdogs, and they're not going to last. 

 

A column

in yesterday's Detroit Free Press, by Frank Beckmann highlighted  four things, among many others,  that should concern everyone:  "There's plenty to dislike, including health care rationing (page 29),
free health care for illegal aliens (pages 50 and 51), a tax on small
businesses that don't offer the public option (page 149), a tax on
individuals who don't have health care coverage approved by the
government (page 167), "public access" to private health records
collected by the government (page 506) and affirmative action
scholarships for medical school students (page 913)".

So, if you want the Feds prowling your health records, giving free health care to illegals, taxing you if your insurance doesn't meet government standars and promoting "diversity" in medical and nursing schools, by all means, go along with the dems' plans for health care.  

Why aren't we hearing this?

This - THIS - is what needs to be in front of the American people.

Every. Single. Day.

Why isn't it?  (Yes, that was a rhetorical question...)

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Daily Sarah Palin fact:

Sarah Palin rocks.  As if you didn't know...

Single Payer Objective

The democratics' plan to get us to a single-payer system is obvious, it's all in the House bill right now.

1. Offer a government healthcare 'option', ie Obamacare.
2. Make it illegal to write new private health insurance policies after introduction of Obamacare.
3. Rewrite the mandates for private insurance companies and set their rates so that they can't make any profit.

The plan takes a few years to run its course. As private insurance companies go out of business, the Bamster and the democratics will quietly celebrate, and publicly send regrets that another company was 'so poorly managed that they couldn't survive in the rough and tumble world of free enterprise'.

After a few years, everyone is on Obamacare, except Congress and federal employees of course.

Wasn't this the 20/20

Wasn't this the 20/20 segment that was supposed to air before the big health-care presser a couple weeks ago? The segment that was rescheduled? I wonder why...

20/20 Health Care segment

The health care segment was cancled that night and replaced for the wal to wall coverage of the death of Michael Jackson.

See?  If he'd had free,

See?  If he'd had free, universal health care Michael Jackson might still be alive!

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Daily Sarah Palin fact:

Sarah Palin had nothing to do with Michael Jackson's death, in spite of what Al Sharpton thinks.

We all know that if this

We all know that if this mess, laughingly called a "plan", is passed and implemented, there will be such chaos that - ta-da! - a single payer systen will just have to be put in it's place to "solve" the man-made disaster

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

I sat thru a 20 minute Phil Spector's bimbo wife segment

For this? Six minute clip with no post segment analysis by Stossell.  The All Barry Channel indeed.

Dodds should come to Britain for cancer treatment

I am sorry to hear of anyone getting any cancer.

That's no fun.

But regarding Chris Dodds and his protate cancer.

Maybe he shoud come to the UK for treatment, as he's all for the single-payer* government run type system that Britain has had since 1948.

Or maybe NOT.

US current healthcare system 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer: 95%

UK 5-year Government run, single payer (Obama supported option) survival rate for prostate cancer: 70%

Survival rates for prostate cancer 'far better in US'

Published Date: 17 April 2008
By John von Radowitz
PROSTATE cancer death-rates have fallen almost four times faster in the US than in the UK since the early 1990s, a study has shown.

http://news.scotsman.com/health/Survival-rates-for-prostate-cancer.3990529.jp

* Oh, by "single-payer" Obama means the multiple TAX-PAYERS. So that's not really very transparent language.

Thanks Barack: from post-racial to most-racial in just six months!