ABC's Stephanopoulos Suggests Pelosi ‘Vindicated’ in Her Charge the CIA Lies


In light of recent reports that Vice President Cheney had ordered the CIA to withhold information about a counterrorism program that was being planned during the Bush administration, on Sunday ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on both Good Morning America and on This Week suggested that the revelations may be "vindication" for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, or that they at least "bolster" her claims about the CIA lying to her. Stephanopoulos even seemed to be pushing Pelosi to claim "vindication" even while the Speaker’s office was reluctant to do so. Stephanopoulos, from Good Morning America: "I spoke with Speaker Pelosi's office about that, and they don't want to use the word "vindication," but, clearly, it does bolster their case that on several occasions, they were either misled or not given relevant information that the Congress was supposed to have."

During the roundtable discussion on This Week, after conservative columnist George Will brought up the danger of leaks by members of Congress, since congressional members leaked the current story, Stephanopoulos again suggested the story helps Pelosi: "And part of the reason they wrote those letters was in defense of the Speaker, Nancy Pelosi ... they said that they had been misled, and, of course, the Speaker had said the CIA has lied to us on many occasions. I think she said they lie all the time. So this is a measure of vindication, I suppose, for the Speaker, even though she doesn't want to claim it."

During the roundtable discussion, it was left to Will to point out not only that the program "remained in the planning stages," but that the law Democrats are alleging may have been broken has a loophole, suggesting that withholding information on the program may have been legal. Will:

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Here's what Bob Woodward's Washington Post says about the program. It quotes a former senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, saying, "The program remains highly secretive." He said, "The program remained in the planning stages and never crossed the agency's threshold for reporting to the administration and congressional overseers." Furthermore, the law to which Cokie referred, 1947, establishing the CIA, says, indeed, Congress must be kept informed, unless – and there's a huge asterisk – it says, "unless, to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources."

On the same morning’s Fox and Friends Sunday, FNC co-host Dave Briggs argued that the story does not help Pelosi: "I don't think this by any means gets Nancy Pelosi off the hook because, as I mentioned, this has nothing to do with waterboarding. We still don't know if she was accurately informed about waterboarding in 2002. These are not the same things."

Below are transcripts of relevant portions of the Sunday, July 12, Good Morning America and This Week from ABC, followed by the same day’s Fox and Friends from FNC:

#From ABC’s Good Morning America:

KATE SNOW: Nancy Pelosi has come under a lot of fire for making those comments that she was misled by the CIA about waterboarding. Do these latest charges this morning vindicate her at all?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: I spoke with Speaker Pelosi’s office about that, and they don’t want to use the word "vindication," but, clearly, it does bolster their case that on several occasions, they were either misled or not given relevant information that the Congress was supposed to have.

#From ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos:

GEORGE WILL: Here’s what Bob Woodward’s Washington Post says about the program. It quotes a former senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, saying, "The program remains highly secretive." He said, "The program remained in the planning stages and never crossed the agency’s threshold for reporting to the administration and congressional overseers." Furthermore, the law to which Cokie referred, 1947, establishing the CIA, says, indeed, Congress must be kept informed, unless – and there’s a huge asterisk – it says, "unless, to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources."

...

BOB WOODRUFF: I also think you’re exactly right, Sam, that candidate Obama has met President Obama, and he says I don’t want wide disclosure of our secrets because we need them.

GEORGE WILL: And here’s why. When someone went to Panetta in the CIA and told him about this, and Panetta went to the congressional committee, what then happened? It leaked.

BOB WOODWARD: Actually, they wrote letters publicly, and the letters certainly leaked.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And part of the reason they wrote those letters was in defense of the Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, who had said-

SAM DONALDSON: Do you know what the program is we’re talking about? I don’t.

STEPHANOPOULOS: No, not what the program is, they said that they had been misled, and, of course, the Speaker had said the CIA has lied to us on many occasions. I think she said they lie all the time. So this is a measure of vindication, I suppose, for the Speaker, even though she doesn’t want to claim it.

#From FNC’s Fox and Friends Sunday:

DAVE BRIGGS: But we start this morning with the top story coming out of this whole mess with, the CIA. The latest chapter is this: Dick Cheney reportedly told the CIA to withhold information from Congress, to withhold a specific secret counterterrorism program and not tell Congress. We do not know what this counterterrorism program was. We do know it was not in regard to waterboarding. It was not in regard to domestic spying, either.

CLAYTON MORRIS: Well, we also know that this might not have had anything to do with the Pelosi back and forth. Does this vindicate Nancy Pelosi and what she was saying the CIA lied to Congress by wthholding information? Of course, Leon Panetta coming out, the head of the CIA, saying that didn’t happen, we didn’t withhold anything. The question, though, of how completely the CIA informed Congress of all of this is now unfolding, and what Dick Cheney told to those members. Michael Hayden, the former CIA director, said, look, he said, "One of the points I had in every one of the briefings was to make sure [that Congress] understood the scope of our activity, ‘They’ve got to know that this is bigger than a bread box.’"

Now, he was addressing other concerns, specifically about Nancy Pelosi. But he was also, we are understanding from an official this morning who worked with Michael Hayden – he hasn’t addressed this particular point just yet. This other official has come out and said that Vice President Dick Cheney never came to them and said don’t tell us anything, don’t withhold anything, nothing like that.

BRIGGS: They had no restrictions from the Vice President.

AINSLEY EARHARDT: And the directors – we do need to mention – the directors were saying they did not hold a congressional hearing because this was not yet developed. And if it had been developed, then that’s when they would have hold a hearing.

MORRIS: Right, the program itself. This was perhaps an experimental program, and, to Dave’s point, we still don’t know which program this is.

BRIGGS: Couple of things, yeah, Leon Panetta cancelled this program June 23, but I don’t think this by any means gets Nancy Pelosi off the hook because, as I mentioned, this has nothing to do with waterboarding. We still don’t know if she was accurately informed about waterboarding in 2002. These are not the same things-

MORRIS: It’s not related at all, right.

BRIGGS: -so she may have been told about waterboarding, in fact, in these briefings.

MORRIS: Well, to be fair, in a way of defending her, we still frankly don’t know. I mean, it could have been – we simply don’t know anything about what program this is that the Vice President is alleged to now have not told Congress about, and this is an important point because the gang of eight – those leaders in the intelligence community in Congress – need to be informed of everything. So if there was information withheld, Leon Panetta coming out and saying, "Look, as soon as I found out about this, I canceled the program," and he held a special session of Congress where he met with different congressional leaders telling them I just ended this yesterday.

...

EARHARDT: It’s just very preliminary at this point, and it hadn’t been developed. So do they have to, I mean, the question is, do they have to go to the gang of eight every time?

MORRIS: Well, we don’t know. I mean, yeah, that’s the question.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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It's Stephie's job to suck up ....

and dammit that's what he is gonna' do.  He admit's that he doesn't even know what program they are talking about but he INSISTS that this vindicates Pelosi even when her own office won't even say that.

Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.

Horrible. Oww. That hurt.

  This is a horrible horrible horrible President.

Woodward: ...candidate Obama has met President Obama, and he says I don’t want wide disclosure of our secrets because we need them.  

   Yes people, the great hidden secret of all time. There is actually no way on knowing how to govern at President until you actually become President.

  It is not like there are entire books and even libraries full of books about Presidents. Just a sec...... Hey. There are libraries dedicated to individual Presidents all over the country. Wow.

  And look. All the things he said he would do and now won't actually do. Other people were saying they would not actually do them all along. But that John McCain, HA!, just an old senile geezer that can't use a computer and has problems tying his own shoelaces. Yea, can't have him as President now can we. We need the smart guy. Owww. Hurt myself on my own sharp sarcasm.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Vindication?

Would Stephanopoulus then agree that the House of Representatives was vindicated when Clinton was subsequently (a) found in contempt of court by a judge, and (b) disbarred by the Arkansas Bar for lying under oath, which was what the impeachment had charged?

100% CYA story

This PR attempt should fall flat on its face as it is purely about attempting to give Speaker Liar some cover.
I hope Boehner keeps pushing for the "Truth Commission," because Truth is not Pelosi's friend!

I agree

Panetta is providing Pelosi with some weak cover, and Stephanopoulus has gotten his "spin orders" from Emanuel-Carville-Begala during his daily coordination telecons, and planted the vindication idea for the MSM to carry.

Yet with all the claims of lying to Congress on the part of CIA officers, the House Intelligence Committee won't probe for truth, because the truth will reveal that the senior Dems had, in fact, been informed about the waterboarding all along.

 

I hope Boehner keeps pushing, too.

Whatever they have this time is so weak as to be laughable...or Pelosi would have been front and center claiming it would vindicate her lie that the CIA routinely lied to Congress.  The woman is stupid, but not that stupid.  Steffie is obviously that stupid, though.

They're trying to get Dick Cheney....that didn't work out too well the last time they got him mad and he took to the airwaves.

I'm beginning to suspect it's just another "created crisis" to keep the chattering classes occupied while Toes & the Bamster ram nationalized healthcare and Cap & Tax down our throats.

As I learned in tennis lessons many years ago, never take your eye off the ball. 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

This passes for journalism

This passes for journalism these days? If all the rest of the MSM weren't so far in the tank for leftist ideals, Georgie would be laughed out of this profession. The fact that there's silence when he says these things is very, very telling.

___________________________________ 

An optimist thinks that the glass is 1/2 full; a pessimist 1/2 empty; a realist thinks the glass is twice a big as it needs to be

Keep workin' that nose up

Keep workin' that nose up in there, George.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

The CIA didn't tell Congress

The CIA didn't tell Congress about a program that didn't exist?  Wow, that's a whole lot of nothing.

More to the point, the CIA

More to the point, the CIA did not inform the Congress about a proposal for an operation that was never implemented.  There was nothing of substance to report.  Ideas do not equal actions.

I am sure the CIA has had many ideas that have never come to fruition.  I am equally certain that few, if any, of them were communicated to the Congress.

This is just classic,

This is just classic, perfectly put NL207.

We have an idea for a program that we may need at some point in time, but have no intention of implementing right now. So dont tell congress about it BECAUSE WE MAY ACTUALLY NEED SOME SECRECY ON THIS AT SOME POINT and if we tell them it will be on the front page of the NYT.

And this somehow vindicates Pelosi's statement that the CIA lied? Did she mean a lie by omision? The stretch for her vindication on this is laughable and she knows it, which is why she is not claiming vindication, just floating it out there to see what kind of traction it gains.

Pelosi lied. Terrorists cried.

  If the facts are on your side, state the facts.

  If the law is on your side, state the law.

  If you have neither, pound the table.

  Problem is, most of the facts here are classified. Pelosi and the democrats are counting on this to keep covering her lies.

  Too bad the law can't be classified too. Nor can the law of unintended consequences be classified. Everytime they declassify one of the Bush programs, the facts go against the democrats. We learn of the actual techniques of interrogation and it turns out they were lawful and extremely mild compared to actual historical cases of torture. And it turns out Nancy Pelosi is a big fat liar with her big fat pants on fire.

  Sorry Nancy, not buying any of it, even with most of the facts remaining classified.

  Say, the CIA renovated the 3rd floor bathroom at Langley in 2005. No one told Nancy. Nancy is vindicated!

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

MORRIS: "...we still don’t

MORRIS: "...we still don’t know which program this is."

Don't worry, if it's a national secret, the NYT will soon be blabbing it to the world.

And Pel-Occhio is running from haystack to haystack, but the nose is now too long to not be seen sticking out. 

I wonder if they also do that cool "synchronize watches...now" thing.

Steff was just doing his job

Steff was just doing his job as chief media brownnoser We all know who and what he is and discount everything he says by, oh, 98%.

The facts are in the Pelosi deal, Panetta and the CIA gave dates and times when Pelosi or her aides got informed about waterboarding.  The other congress people in the meetings dispute her contention that she wasn't informed.  She's obviously lying despite her denials.

As far as the CIA "lying all the time" nice try Steffie, but these two things are apples and oranges. Proof of that has not been brought forward either.

 

Hayden Fighting Back

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden is claiming (insert deja vu here) that Congress was informed about this unpublicized program: Lawmakers Knew of Surveillance, ex-CIA Chief Says: http://www.latimes.com

"Former CIA Director Michael V. Hayden angrily struck back Saturday at assertions that the Bush administration’s post-9/11 surveillance program was more far-reaching than imagined and was largely concealed from congressional overseers. In an interview with the Associated Press, Hayden said that top members of Congress were kept well informed all along the way, notwithstanding protests from some that they were kept in the dark."

Hayden is not one of those nasty neocons, he is a military man. This clumsy plan to excuse Princess Nan may backfire, and in fact compound her lies. It demonstrates how crassly political Panetta is, and that the democratics' war with the CIA is going to continue. That's bad for democratics, but also for the country unfortunately.

More background on 'the plan':  CIA Had Secret Al Qaeda Plan: http://online.wsj.com

After reading this you might ask -'is that all there is?'  There's really no 'there' there. A plan to kill off al Qaeda? Isn't that a good thing? And the plan was never launched anyway. And Hayden says they were informed anyway. If it turns out that this was a plan to carry out liquidations inside foreign countries (my speculation) that may carry the story a little further, but other than that this is a big nothing.

 

Typical loony-left

Typical loony-left strategy. Take an unfounded rumor and use it to bolster their position on a completely different matter. It doesn't matter if it's true or not - it's just important to get that seed of doubt into the public's head.

"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt

Can't wait for the dems to attack Bush & Cheney for...

...gasp! plotting to assassinate terror leaders:

http://hotair.com/ar...

This is going to be fun to watch.

-Dave

"Obama's health care 'reform' plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof." -

this is a distraction

and will never see the light of the day.i'd love to see the village idiots try,just to see the backlash.

Pelosi spits in the faces of heroes

The disgusting and loathsome Nancy Pelosi spits on the memory of an American hero, the late Johnny Spann; and in his father's face.

Who is Johnny Michael Spann? From Jeb Babin at Human Events.

Spann was a CIA agent who:

....die(d) a hero’s death in the service of our nation. Spann was the first casualty in our war against terrorists in Afghanistan. He was killed in 2001 in hand-to-hand combat in the midst of a Taliban prisoner revolt in Afghanistan near Mazar-i-Sharif, the fort taken in a horseback charge by Special Operations forces....

In a desperate attempt to attack the CIA and thereby retrieve credibility with her anti-American base, the Pelosi creature is willing to do anything.

Why would Nancy Pelosi renew her accusation that the CIA lied to Congress?  Her first accusation, back in May, was the result of the CIA’s release of a document which showed she had been briefed on the use of waterboarding in September 2002.  Which she had previously denied.  And her accusation was met with Panetta’s clear statement that contemporaneous documents in the CIA’s possession showed that Pelosi had been briefed on the fact of waterboarding and that it had been used, not just planned.

President Obama and Speaker Pelosi are engaged in a coverup.  Which is nothing new in Washington, but this one is different.  Watergate was about past criminality, not the safety of our nation.  Colin Powell’s venality in concealing the identity of the Valerie Plame CIA connection leak from President Bush was about disloyalty.  It made us no less secure.

Pelosi is trying to "save face" as if that's possible for this botox addled creature.

Obama Lied... Jobs Died.

Right from the playbook ...

Same old leftist propaganda patterns.

Take the slimmest of evidence, speculate ad nauseum while seeming to analyze, draw the most advantageous conclusions, create the most damaging scenarios, and blast them all over the "airwaves" to create an impression before the truth comes out - then move on.

Had this been a Democrat administration involved in keeping an operation of some kind secret, the storyline would be, "Who leaked this confidential information and what was their agenda?"

 metaphorsbwithu

Briggs is right

These are two different stories. The Pelosi episode is that the CIA lied about briefing her, but she had been made aware of the details involved. This episode is about a program that (if true) she never knew anything about.

To call this a defense of Pelosi, or a vindication, is a non sequitur. One does not follow from the other.

Anyone notice the weirdness

Anyone notice the weirdness here as Pelosi's obedient sulphur sucking succubi, hubble and bubble to save their demented mistress.

The Democrat run Congress is now meant to be outraged about never being given the chance to read about a CIA program that was considered and rejected by the CIA,

Yet the same Democrat Congress actually boast they voted and passed a massive 1200 page Crap and Tax bill WITHOUT anyone reading it.

Rather like the PORKULUS bill, which they also passed without reading it.

Obama Lied... Jobs Died.

        Pelosi lied

        Pelosi lied about the CIA. The CIA lied to Pelosi. Congress lied to the people. The key word here is "lied". They are all guilty of it. The question is, who do WE prosecute first?

The Peloshi rehabilitation

The Peloshi rehabilitation really stinks.

PUTZ

Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.

Ronald Reagan

House CYA Mode

This meeting with Panetta was on June 24th, 3 weeks ago, and included members of the House AND the Senate. But only members of the House have made these claims. Not one senator. This is by no means vindication for Pelosi.

"Pelosi Knew. Obama Flew."-Turk 182

 

"The human race divides itself politically into those who want to be controlled, and those who have no such desire."-Robert A. Heinlein

pelosi, stephanopolos, CIA

What would one who knows these people expect? The truth will never come to light as long as this cabal is in power. Stephanopolous is not notorious for honesty. Unfortunately most bloggers rarely make a mote's difference in national policy. We can (as of today) express our opinion, but nothing will be accomplished until this country votes with money. This desire for wealth and power will eventually take down leaders who overshoot. Unless the people with whom I have been acquainted lie down or become apathetic , this will be a one-trip pony.