CBS Sees Both Sides Extreme in Iran, NBC Sees Mousavi as Moderate

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On Thursday evening, the CBS Evening News and the NBC Nightly News presented opposite takes on whether Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi is really a moderate, or whether he is actually about as extreme and dangerous as current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. CBS’s Mark Phillips argued that Mousavi is merely more moderate in "tone" than Ahmadinejad while taking similar policy positions, while NBC’s Richard Engel played up Mousavi as a real alternative to Ahmadinejad. CBS News substitute anchor Maggie Rodriguez introduced Phillips’s report: "Mir Hossein Mousavi insists he won the presidential election there, only to have it stolen from him. He's been cast as an outsider, anxious for reform. But as Mark Phillips reports, that's not exactly the case."

After beginning his report contending that "Mir Hossein Mousavi is neither a champion of democracy as we know it, nor an advocate of great change within Iran's mullah-dominated government," Phillips further argued that Mousavi would bring little substantive policy difference to the presidency:

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Even if Mousavi came to power, the change he represents is more of tone than policy. He may not deny the Holocaust, but he has made no promise to end Iran's support for the militants in Hezbollah or Hamas on Israel's border. And while he may be prepared to talk about it, he, too, is committed to Iran's nuclear program.

By contrast, on NBC, Engel seemed to have higher expectations that Mousavi would be a reformer. The NBC News correspondent informed viewers that Mousavi did have a history of supporting the Iranian Revolution of 1979, but, after a clip of Suzanne Maloney of the Brookings Institution arguing that Mousavi "is more pragmatic, more moderate, perhaps more seasoned, and one would hope wiser today," Engel highlighted reform-minded campaign promises by Mousavi. Engel:

During his election campaign, Mousavi promised to put limits on Iran's repressive religious police and improve relations with the West. On its nuclear program, Mousavi said Iran could show flexibility. He's won over women voters with his support for their rights, and broke a taboo by campaigning with his wife, Zahara, a well-known artist.

Unlike CBS’s Phllips, Engel did not mention in his report that the Ayatalloh Khamenei holds the real power in government, limiting the ability of any elected president to make changes. Phillips explained: "The Iranian system with the electorate at the bottom and the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, at the top, is a complicated overlapping cocktail of religion and politics that no president could easily change, even if he wanted to."

Below are complete transcripts of the relevant stories from the CBS Evening News and the NBC Nightly News from Thursday, June 18:

#From the CBS Evening News:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: He's the man at the center of the extraordinary protest movement in Iran. Mir Hossein Mousavi insists he won the presidential election there, only to have it stolen from him. He's been cast as an outsider, anxious for reform. But as Mark Phillips reports, that's not exactly the case.

MARK PHILLIPS: His supporters may have taken to the streets – even died for his cause – but Mir Hossein Mousavi is neither a champion of democracy as we know it, nor an advocate of great change within Iran's mullah-dominated government.

BAQER MOIN, IRANIAN COMMENTATOR: He's not a secular intellectual in the mold of western secular intellectuals. No, he's come from within the Revolution.

PHILLIPS: In fact, he was part of the Revolution, a supporter of the Ayatollah Khomeini when he came to power in 1979, a government minister during the Revolution's turbulent early years.

MOIN: Then he became prime minister and was prime minister for nearly eight years.

PHILLIPS: Very much an establishment figure.

MOIN: Absolutely.

PHILLIPS: Even if Mousavi came to power, the change he represents is more of tone than policy. He may not deny the Holocaust, but he has made no promise to end Iran's support for the militants in Hezbollah or Hamas on Israel's border. And while he may be prepared to talk about it, he, too, is committed to Iran's nuclear program.

MOIN: He's a pragmatist moderate.

PHILLIPS: But in the Iranian context.

MOIN: In the Iranian context, absolutely. The Iranian system is not democracy. Nor is it theocracy. It is a mixture of both.

PHILLIPS: The Iranian system with the electorate at the bottom and the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, at the top, is a complicated overlapping cocktail of religion and politics that no president could easily change, even if he wanted to. Voters elect a 290-member parliament and a president and an assembly of experts – 86, quote, "virtuous and learned religious scholars" who select the supreme leader. But layered on top of that is a 12-man, extremely powerful guardian council appointed largely by the supreme leader. It gets to decide who even runs for the presidency or parliament. To that add an expediency council – appointed, again, by the supreme leader – that is supposed to mediate disputes between parliament and the guardian council. Whether they're demonstrating inside Iran or outside of it, the supporters of Mousavi see him less as a counter-revolutionary figure and more of a reformer. To them he's become the acceptable face of the Iranian Revolution – and one they're not ready to give up on yet. Mark Phillips, CBS News, London.

#From the NBC Nightly News:

BRIAN WILLIAMS: The other big story we're covering, of course. All this week, the turmoil in Iran, over what many are calling a rigged election there. No letup today. The streets of Tehran were filled with angry but peaceful protesters. And among them was the man who has become the rallying point in this whole crisis. Here with more about him, our chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel. Richard, good evening.

RICHARD ENGEL: Good evening, Brian. At the center of this movement is Mir Hossein Mousavi. He’s never been especially popular in Iran, but he's been able to ride a wave of discontent that seems to grow by the day. They came out to protest and to mourn. Witnesses said a million strong. Some held portraits of at least 15 killed in this week's protests. Others had signs, many now in English, French, and Spanish. The demonstrators know the world is watching. And at the center of it all, the man millions say should be president, Mir Hossein Mousavi. He called on supporters today to be peaceful, but not give up. But many here didn't know Mousavi's name a month ago. In many ways, he is an accidental opposition leader – soft spoken, stubborn, a regime loyalist. Mousavi was prime minister in the 1980s, a hardliner during the bloody Iran-Iraq War. Mousavi left politics 20 years ago and returned to work as an architect, designing universities and a shopping mall. Analysts say he's changed.

SUZANNE MALONEY, BROOKINGS INSTITUTION SABAN CENTER: Like many individuals in Iran, he was a fire-breathing revolutionary in the 1980s. He is more pragmatic, more moderate, perhaps more seasoned, and one would hope wiser today.

ENGEL: During his election campaign, Mousavi promised to put limits on Iran's repressive religious police and improve relations with the West. On its nuclear program, Mousavi said Iran could show flexibility. He's won over women voters with his support for their rights, and broke a taboo by campaigning with his wife, Zahara, a well-known artist. Analysts say she's the real family firebrand.

KARIM SADJADPOUR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE: This was a brilliantly run campaign. They turned an uncharismatic 67-year-old guy into the voice of freedom, and into the voice of reform. This movement is much bigger than Mir Hossein Mousavi himself. And he understands that very well.

ENGEL: Tonight, Mousavi supporters held a candlelight vigil in Tehran and marched to back the unassuming insider who surprised a nation. Tomorrow, Iran's supreme leader will deliver a national address. Many in Iran fear that if he doesn't give in to the protesters' demands of a new election, there could be much more violence.

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Olbermann Calls Centrist Dems 'Dogs,' 'Prostitutes' Like the GOP

Olbermann Slams Centrist Dems as 'Dogs,' Uses Kennedy Illness for Guilt-Trip

On Monday's Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann delivered a "Special Comment" lambasted members of the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of centrist House Democrats most of whom have pressured more liberal congressional Democrats in their plans for universal health insurance. After reciting campaign contributions received by some members from the health care industry, he suggested that these Democrats should just be called "dogs." Olbermann: "I could call them all out by name, but I think you get the point. We do not need to call the Democrats holding this up Blue Dogs. That one word 'dogs' is perfectly sufficient."

Olbermann also shamelessly tried to use Senator Ted Kennedy's illness to suggeset that Democratic Senator Blanche Lincoln, a centrist Democrat from Arkansas, should feel guilty about her role in forcing more liberal Democrats to compromise. Olbermann: "Senator Lincoln, by the way, considering how you're obstructing health care reform, how do you feel every time you actually see Senator Kennedy?"

Olbermann began by recounting the case of a horrific fire that hit a New York City factory in 1911, days after business interests had opposed new rules proposed by the fire commissioner, with the fire leading to female workers, whose bodies were ablaze, falling from the building as firefighters tried to quench the fire. The Countdown host compared modern day corporations to those Olbermann blames for the carnage. Olbermann:

Firefighters setting up their ladders literally had to dodge the falling, often burning bodies of women. This was the spirit of the American corporation then. It is the spirit of the American corporation now. It is what the corporation will do, when it is left alone for a week.

He then moved to attacking Republicans, calling South Dakota Senator John Thune a "bald-faced liar," and charging that "the insurance industry owns the Republican party." Missing the point that in countries where the government runs the health care system, it is sometimes illegal to even pay doctors out of pocket to try to get a medical procedure performed sooner than the government system agrees to do it, Olbermann slammed Thune for complaining that "bureaucrats and politicians" would get in the way of "patients and their doctors," and sought to find a double standard in conservative opposition to abortion and euthanasia, even though these cases involve physicians ending lives rather than simply treating illnesses. Olbermann:

If you really think "bureaucrats and politicians" need to get out of the way of "patients and their doctors," then you support, obviously, a woman patient's right to get an abortion, and you supported Michael Schiavo's right to take his wife off life support, and you oppose "bureaucrats and politicians" getting in the way, and we'll just mark you down on the pro-choice list.

Additionally, in the case of Michael and Terri Schiavo, as Olbermann tried to portray conservative opposition to removing Terri's life support to be a case of conservatives wanting to get between "patients and their doctors," the actual patient, Terri, was unable to consent and had no living will, leading conservatives to side with her blood relatives -- including her parents -- who wanted to continue life support, while the courts sided with her husband Michael and forced the feeding tube's removal.

By contrast, on Friday's 20/20, ABC's John Stossel profiled the case of a Canadian woman who had to travel to Washington state and pay an American physician to treat a clogged artery because the Canadian health system categorized the procedure as elective and would have required her to wait in line for treatment in Canada -- a wait that might have proved fatal as the American doctor who treated her believed she could only have survived a few more weeks.

Olbermann also managed to bring up Iraq as he charged that the insurance industry opposes having the government pay medical bills, even though doing so would be only a "billionth as reckless" as the fact that the government is "still paying Halliburton and its spinoffs to kill your kids."

Olbermann soon tried to use Senator Kennedy's illness to guilt-trip Senator Lincoln into supporting a more liberal health reform plan: "Senator Lincoln, by the way, considering how you're obstructing health care reform, how do you feel every time you actually see Senator Kennedy?"

After attacking a few members of the Blue Dog Coalition, the MSNBC host ended up indurectly calling them "dogs." Olbermann: "I could call them all out by name, but I think you get the point. We do not need to call the Democrats holding this up Blue Dogs. That one word 'dogs' is perfectly sufficient."

And while most Blue Dog Democrats represent conservative-leaning congressional districts where voters appreciate that these centrist Democrats sometimes oppose the more liberal wing of the Democratic party, as he was nearing the end of his rant, Olbermann made empty threats about the Blue Dogs being defeated. Olbermann: "If you will behave as if you are Republicans -- as if you are the prostitutes of our system -- you will be judged as such.  And you will lose not merely our respect, you will lose your jobs!" 

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And in the Terri Schiavo case, most conservatives sided with Schiavo's blood relatives -- including her parents -- who wished to continue feeding her as opposed to her husband who wished to discontinue feeding as the actual patient, Terri Schiavo, had no living will.

In a bit of irony, at one moment Olbermann chastised conservatives for opposing abortion and euthanasia -- procedures in which physicians end life rather than treating an illness, while moments later he mocked Republican Representative Ginny Brown-Waite for bringing up the ominous possibility that a public insurance plan could lead to some elderly Americans dying prematurely after being denied health care by the government.

 

A bit later, Olbermann chastised Republican Representative Ginny Brown-Waite for bringing up the possibility that a public insurance plan could lead to some elderly Americans dying prematurely after being denied health care, as if she were being either dishonest or alarmist, which makes it ironic that moments earlier Olbermann had cited both abortion and euthanasia as examples of conservatives wanting to limit what physicians are allowed to do since each case involves ending a life rather than simply treating an illness.

And while Olbermann

 

argues a bit later that government-run health care would not lead to government making decisions that would lead to the deaths of patients -- as he chastises Representative Ginny Brown-Waite for 

 

, it is ironic that he would cite both abortion and euthanasia as examples of conservatives wanting to limit what physicians are allowed to do since each involves ending a life rather than treating an illness.

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Below is a complete transcript of Olbermann's "Special Comment" from the Monday, August 3, Countdown show on MSNBC:

KEITH OLBERMANN: Finally tonight, as promised, a “Special Comment” on health care reform in this country, and, in particular, the public insurance option. In March of 1911, after a wave of minor factory fires in New York City, the city's fire commissioner issued emergency rules about fire prevention, protection, escape, sprinklers. The city's manufacturers association in turn called an emergency meeting to attack the fire commissioner and his interference with commerce. The new rules were delayed.

Just days later, a fire broke out at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. The door to the fire escape had been bolted shut to keep the employees from leaving prematurely – 150 of those employees died, many by jumping from the seventh floor windows to avoid the flames. Firefighters setting up their ladders literally had to dodge the falling, often burning bodies of women. This was the spirit of the American corporation then. It is the spirit of the American corporation now. It is what the corporation will do, when it is left alone for a week.

You know the drill. We all know the drill. You get something done at a doctor's, at a dentist's, at an emergency room, and the bills are in your hands before the pain medication wears off. And if you're one of the lucky ones, and you have insurance, you submit the endless paperwork, and no matter whether it is insurance through your company, or your union, or your non-profit, or on your own dime, you then get your turn at the roulette wheel.

How much of it is the insurance company going to pay this time? How much of it is the insurance company -- about which you have had next to no choice, and against which you have virtually no appeal -- how much is this giant corporation going to give you back? What small percentage of what they told you they were going to pay you, will they actually pay you?

You know the answer. And, you know the answer if you don't have insurance. But do you know why that's the answer? Because the insurance industry owns the Republican party. Not exclusively. Pharma owns part of it, too. Hospitals and HMO's, another part. Nursing homes -- they have a share. You name a Republican, any Republican, and he is literally brought to you by campaign donations from the health sector. Senator John Thune of South Dakota? You gave that Republican rebuttal to the President's weekly address the day before yesterday. You said the Democrats' plan was for, quote, "government-run health care that would disrupt our current system, and force millions of Americans who currently enjoy their employer-based coverage into a new health care plan run by government bureaucrats."

That's a bald-faced lie, Senator. And you're a bald-faced liar, whose bald face happens to be covered by your own health care plan run by government bureaucrats. Nobody would be forced into anything, and the public insurance option is no more a disruption than is letting the government sell you water -- and not just Poland Spring and Sparkletts. But, as corrupt hypocrites go, Senator, at least you're well paid. What was that one statement worth to you in contributions from the health sector, Senator Thune? Five thousand dollars? Ten? We know what you are, sir. We're arguing about the price.

What about your other quote? "We can accomplish health care reform while keeping patients and their doctors in charge, not bureaucrats and politicians." Wow, Senator — this illustrates how desperate you and the other Republicans are, right? Because Senator Thune, if you really think "bureaucrats and politicians" need to get out of the way of "patients and their doctors," then you support, obviously, a woman patient's right to get an abortion, and you supported Michael Schiavo's right to take his wife off life support, and you oppose "bureaucrats and politicians" getting in the way, and we'll just mark you down on the pro-choice list. That's a rare misstep for you, Senator Thune.  No $12,000 payoff for that statement! I’m not being hyperbolic, am I, Senator, about the money?

Senator Thune has thus far received from the health sector, campaign contributions -- and all these numbers tonight are from the Center For Responsive Politics -- campaign contributions amounting to $1,206,176. So much for Senator Thune.

How about Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite? Good evening, ma'am. You are the Florida representative who claimed on the floor that Democrats had, quote, “released a health care bill which essentially said to America's seniors: Drop dead."

Now those are strong and terrorizing words -- that's exactly what your insurance and medical overlords wanted to hear. But are you truly worth every dollar of the $369,255 of them you have received over the years from the health sector? I'd read the rest of the operative part of your great speech myself, but your rendition actually cannot be matched:

REP. GINNY BROWN-WAITE (R-FL): Listen up, America. Seniors have very special needs. This bill ignores the needs of Florida’s health care system. We should be fixing what is broke, not disseminating – disseminating – decimating the care of our senior population.

OLBERMANN: You can always tell, can't you, Congresswoman, when the hostage is reading her own ransom note, and when she is reading one written for her? So much for Congresswoman  Brown-Waite.

There are so many other Republicans, bought and sold — like that unfortunate Congresswoman there — by the health sector. Minority Leader McConnell of the Senate, you’re worth $3.1 million to the health sector? A million and a half just for last year’s election? And I’m supposed to think you aren’t a sellout, a liar, a paid spokesman, a shill, a carnival barker? So much for Senator McConnell.

Congressman Joe Barton of Oklahoma – $2,660,000 – that is 10 times what Senator Robert Byrd has accepted from the health sector. Congressman, what a guy! So much for Congressman Barton.

Senator McCain, $1,600,000 to serve the hospitals and serve the drug companies and serve the nursing homes and not to serve the retirement communities of Arizona or the cancer survivors or the veterans. So much for Senator McCain.

 I could go on all night here and never exaggerate in the slightest. PBS pointed out that the health and insurance industries are spending more than $1,400,000 a day just to destroy the public option, the truly nonprofit, wieldy, round up and not round down government from helping you pay your medical bills with about a billionth of the recklessness with which it is still paying Halliburton and its spinoffs to kill your kids. And much of this money is going to and through Republicans.

But that’s the real point tonight. Not all of it is going through Republicans because the evil truth is the insurance industry, along with the hospitals, HMOs, nursing homes, it owns Democrats, too. Not the whole party. Candidate Barack Obama got more than $18 million from the health sector just last year, and you can bet somebody in the health trust – somebody responsible for buying influence – they got fired over what Obama has done.

No, the Democrats are not wholly owned. Hundreds of Democrats have taken campaign money from the health care sector without handing over their souls as receipts.

But conveniently, the ones who are owned have made themselves easy to spot in a crowd. They call themselves “Blue Dogs,” and they are out there, hand in hand with the Republicans – who they are happy to condemn day and night on everything else – throatily singing kumbaya with the men and women who are bought and sold to defend this con game of an American health care system against the slightest encroachment.

Congressman Mike Ross of Arkansas, leader of the Blue Dogs in the House, you’re the guy demanding a guarantee that reform will not add to the deficit. I’m guessing you just forgot to demand that about, say, Iraq. You’re a Democrat, you say, Congressman?

You saw what Sandy Baram said? Sandy Baram is 62 years old, she’s got a bad heart. She’s hoping her valves will hold together for three more years until Medicaid kicks in because she can’t afford insurance. Not just for herself, mind you, for her employees, too. She needs the public option. So do those six people who work at that restaurant of hers, Congressman Ross. And why should you give a crap? Because Sandy Baram’s restaurant is the Broadway Railroad Café, and it is at a 123 West First Street North in Prescott, Arkansas. Prescott, Arkansas, Congressman Ross – your home town. You are Sandy Baram’s Congressman. Hers, sir, not Blue Cross’s and Blue Shield’s – even if they do insure 75 percent of the state, and they own you. The top donor so far to Congressman Ross’s bid for reelection next year – the Blue Dog PAC, $10,000; second, something called Invacare, $7,300. Invacare, oh, they make wheel chairs and rollers and slings. They’re big in slings. Tied for third, the American Dental Association, another grand – five grand, matter of fact.

Your top donors by industry, Congressman Ross: Health Professionals, $29,250; and Pharma and Health Products, $12,250. And so far in your career, Congressman Ross, your total hall from the health sector is $921,000. That is ninetieth in the combined list of donations for the House and the Senate, sir – ninetieth out of 537. You should be proud, Congressman. Except for the fact that before you started living off the public dime, you owned a pharmacy, and your grandmother was a nurse. And it turns out you’re not Sandy Baram’s Congressman after all. You are Blue Cross’s. So much for Congressman Ross.
       
Congressman Bart Gordon of Tennessee. Congressman, undecided on the public option? At $1,173,000 in donations from the health sector, I'm surprised. You should have already said no -- and loudly. The only thing you should be "undecided" about is whether or not you're really a Democrat. So much for Congressman Gordon.
           
Senator Max Baucus of Montana. Good evening, Senator. So you're supposed to be negotiating all this out with the Republicans and the hesitant Democrats? To gain bipartisanship with a wholly-owned subsidiary of the health sector? Bipartisanship that will get you, what? A total of no votes? And your price has been, let's see: $414,000 in donations from the hospitals; about $667,000 in donations from the insurance companies; just over a million from Big Pharma; $1.3 million from other health professionals; and $237,000 from nursing homes.

When you think of getting $237,000 in campaign contributions from nursing homes, Senator Baucus, do you ever think about whether they subtract that amount of money evenly from all the patients suffering and dying in the lousy ones, or just from a few of the lousy ones? So much for Senator Baucus.

Sadly, this list could go on almost all night, too. I could ask Blue Dog Congressman, Democrat John Tanner of Tennessee, if, since he has gotten $215,000 from hospitals over the years, if I and the appropriate number of my friends were willing to make it $216,000, if we could buy his vote -- or would there still have to be an auction?

We could bring up Senator Hagan, and Congressman Pomeroy, who, at $628,000, appears to represent the insurance industry and not North Dakota.  I could bring up Senator Carper and Senator Blanche Lincoln. Senator Lincoln, by the way, considering how you're obstructing health care reform, how do you feel every time you actually see Senator Kennedy?

I could bring up all the other Democrats doing their masters' bidding in the House or the Senate, all the others who will get an extra thousand from somebody if they just postpone the vote another year, another month, another week, because right now without the competition of a government-funded insurance company, in one hour the health care industries can make so much money that they would kill you for that extra hour of profit.

I could call them all out by name, but I think you get the point. We do not need to call the Democrats holding this up Blue Dogs. That one word "dogs" is perfectly sufficient. But let me speak to them collectively, anyway.

I warn you all. You were not elected to create a Democratic majority. You were elected to restore this country. You were not elected to serve the corporations and the trusts who the government has enabled for these last eight years.  You were elected to serve the people. And if you fail to pass or support this legislation, the full wrath of the progressive and the moderate movements in this country will come down on your heads. Explain yourselves not to me, but to them. They elected you, and in the blink of an eye, they will replace you.

If you will behave as if you are Republicans — as if you are the prostitutes of our system —you will be judged as such.  And you will lose not merely our respect, you will lose your jobs!

Every poll, every analysis, every vote, every region of this country supports health care reform, and the essential great leveling agent of a government-funded alternative to the unchecked duopoly of profiteering private insurance corporations. Cross us all at your peril!

Because, Representative Ross, you are not the Representative from Blue Cross. And Mr. Baucus, you are not the Senator from Schering-Plough Global Health Care, even if they have already given you $76,000 towards your re-election. And Ms. Lincoln, you are not the Senator from DaVita Dialysis.

Because, ladies and gentlemen, President Lincoln did not promise that this nation shall have a new death of freedom, and that government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation, shall not perish from this earth. Good night and good luck.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Mousavi represents change in that he supports an economic shift to privatization and more power being granted to the president by the mullahs. However, he supports the current power structure in Iran so nothing effectively changes because should the theocracy decree it then all private enterprise gained by a new administration would do so at the will of the government or Allah which ever is the most convenient cause.
This is one that I believe President Obama got partially right; there is no real difference in the two if elected (especially considering Obama doesn't seem to care too much for privatization either). However, he should have made strong statement supporting the will of the Iranian people and their struggles under the oppressive conditions.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Of course it could be argued

Of course it could be argued that the more private ownership and market reforms flourish, the middle class will grow and demand more political freedom, hence threatening the regime's current order. Plus you can only expect so much when all the presidential candidates have to be approved by the mullahs. Moving peacefully within the system has that limitation, although it has the upside of being relatively bloodless, and I fail to see a way for the Iranian people to have an armed uprising that is successful (unless they get a significant part of the military on their side).

Ahmadinejad, so far as I can tell, is a theocratic Muslim version of Hugo Chavez economically, and it's hurt Iran's economy while giving him a populist hero standing among some of the country's poorest people.

Ken, solid argument

No real argument but just a couple of points:

Ayatollah Yousef Sanei & Ayatollah Asadollah Bayat Zanjani have both come out in support for the protest and their demands so they are getting some support in the religious power structure. Unfortunately there is not a single member in any position of authority on either side of the issue that is not currently part of the existing power structure with strong reasons to make sure it is not changed significantly. Mousavi, Karroubi, Rafsanjani and Khatami the figurehead leaders of the ‘revolution were all part of the founding of the current power structure during the Iranian Revolution and their philosophical differences seem to be superficial at best – pure rhetoric at worst.

In such an atmosphere the economic freedoms could be a double edge sword. However, the bloodless upside is not entirely accurate in that the development of personal wealth and the power associated with wealth outside of the theocracy could give the theocracy the excuse they need to bring down the full fist of totalitarianism. Almost any inroads could help and in my estimation the fact that so many more of their children are actually growing up to protest since they are not be sent off to die fighting Iraq is a significant step. The problem is that they don’t truly understand the concept of freedom as a rallying cry. What they are demanding is essentially to have a better life with better economic conditions while under the thumb of the mullahs. Perhaps that would be a starting point and the increase in young people will see a more progressive Iran after a couple of generations.

The major difference between Ahmadinejad and Chavez is that Chavez has real power while Ahmadinejad is a powerful puppet.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Wait a minute. CBS and NBC

Wait a minute. CBS and NBC -- both extreme right-wing bastions of conservative thought (according to HuffPo, DK, and the rest of the loonies) -- is passing judgement on Iranian political leanings?

Didn't these same people stop wearing American flag lapel pins -- because of the bias it showed? Didn't they accept the banning of the use of the word "terrorist"? Don't they and their newprint brethern drop the Dim party affiliation of Dim wrongdoers? Diddn't 90%+ vote for Obama?

CBS and NBC descriptions of Iranian (or any, for that matter) political bias is like the Dept of Homeland Security labeling returning veterans potential terrorists -- you can instantly dismiss their "expertise" as nothing more than agenda-driven politics. It sure ain't news.

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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying

Of course they see them as

Of course they see them as equal.

The view both Hamas and Israel as equally responsible for that mess.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

Re Moussavi vs Ahmadi

It's wrong to think that this is simply Moussavi vs Ahmadickwad and there's not a lot of difference between them. This is a tremendously empowering event for the people in the street, and every day that it goes on they will demand more. The Ruling Council's power is slowly being eroded, and if this goes on long enough it will be the end of them. Even if Moussavi simply wins, the people expect great change from him, much more than they did a week ago, and he knows that he has to follow through. It is not possible for Iran to go back to the way it was a month ago. Where we will end up is hard to divine, but there's no backing up. The outcome depends on loyalties; who will the Army support? Will the basij be united in supporting Ahmadi? What will police forces do? Moussavi could be a transitional figure, or he could be the Gorbachev of Iran.

Iranian Protesters Slogans Target Khameini as the Real Enemy: http://www.guardian.co.uk

"For his part, in backing Ahmadinejad so staunchly, Khamenei has abandoned whatever pretence remained that his position was that of an impartial religious arbiter in whom all could invest reasonable hopes of justice."

Friday Krauthammer on Iran and the President's disgraceful silence: Hope and Change, But Not for Iran: http://www.washingtonpost.com

"And what do they hear from the president of the United States? Silence. Then, worse. Three days in, the president makes clear his policy: continued 'dialogue' with their clerical masters."

More on The Doofus's infuriating position: He Who Cannot Stop Talking, Is Silent On Iran: http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com

I agree that Iran will not

I agree that Iran will not be the same regardless of the outcome but it is the people that will be changed not so much the power structure. The religious structure in Iran has the same advantage as the Congress in the US has in that when things get hot politically they can fade into the background (or send controversial figures to China for a visit) and allow the figureheads/presidents take the heat until it is time to reestablish themselves. I know there are many differences but this is one thing they have in common and why it will be difficult for the people to make political change quickly.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Re Bamster on Iran

Re the Bamster's position on Iran; it's accepted that he has gone quiet because he believes that by silently supporting the existing regime, they will become indebted to him and this will help him in future negotiations. This is foolishness.

The Iranians will respect strength, as the Arabs do. They will not respect appeasement and weakness, which is what the Bamster is showing. 

Some liberals are also floating the idea that the Bamster is hiding under his desk because support for Mousavi will undermine Mousavi in the eyes of Iranians. An interview with one of Mousavi's spokesmen refutes that notion:

Mousavi Spokesman Smacks Obama: http://www.weeklystandard.com

The Bamster's position is Lose-Lose here. If Ahmadickwad stays, he is strengthened and will have less respect for the Bamster. If Mousavi wins, he will have no debt to the Bamster, and in fact may have enmity for him. In any case the blood of democracy protesters will be on the Bamster's hands

Re Mousavi vs Ahmadickwad, and in fact Rafsanjani and everyone else involved, yes, they might be all a part of the original revolutionary machine. But what will best serve the region is a leader of Iran that is not an insane 'twelver', does not possess an irrational hatred of Jews, and will not support Arab terrorism. In those respects anyone is better than Ahmadickwad and Khameini. Rafsanjani in charge of the Council and Moussavi in office would be a big improvement.

This will haunt the Bamster in 2012. Republicans need to go on record now on this issue.

Iran

Given ourr history with Iran, it is correct that we don't become the issue.  However, as the leader of the free world, we can say this: Iran is a soverign nation, but the people there are entitled to a free and honest election, whatever the result, to determine the future of their country. Of course, such a statement from a former ACORN field trainer/lecturer and child of Chicago Machine politics this may not ring true, but BO can say it anyway. They might buy it.

If not US, then who?

If the United States doesn't stand as a beacon for freedom, then who?

As the figurehead of the country that is defined by a revolutionary war to win its freedom, this President fails the test miserably. Scandalously in fact.

Of course, he doesn't want to be seen to "destabilize" a One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (with added wicked barbarity) regime. For a start, he has way too much on his plate destabilizing America every day.

Given his Forrest Gump foreign policy thus far, Obama's new moniker should be LEADER OF THE UNFREE WORLD -- as all these dictators really love him.

However, I am sorry to say that the current events in Iran are a mirage. There's no real change going on.  There's a frenzy of street politics though. See what happens to an unarmed citizenry in a tyrannical theocratic state?

It's like 1936 Nazi Germany and suddenly a fight between Hitler and Himmler breaks out.

You're a Nazi and you have to decide to support either the black shirts or the brown shirts -- and imagining your winning choice would be better than the loser.

But they're all still Nazis. Iran is in the firm grip of a theocratic cult who will torture and kill any opposition. There's no "good" nazi here like a Hollywood movie.

And plenty of Iranians are all too happy about that.  I don't see the seeds of any popular uprising here.

This is NOT late 80s Romania and the Cecesceau family.

But none of that is any excuse for this sad excuse for an American president. Good lord, Bartlett was bettre than this. And he sucked.

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!

Man oh man Jack...you speak

Man oh man Jack...you speak for me.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

It's a pleasure bt! “For

It's a pleasure bt!

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!