ABC’s World News programs on Friday and Sunday highlighted "frank comments by Republicans" who indicated either an admission to having reservations over, or who called on a reversal of, the Republican party’s conservative stance on social issues. On Friday, Charles Gibson informed viewers that Sarah Palin confessed before a pro-life group to having briefly wondered about having an abortion after she discovered her son Trig would be born with Down’s Syndrome. Gibson also highlighted comments by Steve Schmidt, the former campaign manager for John McCain, as he addressed a gathering of the Log Cabin Republicans and "urged the Republican party to support same-sex marriage."
On World News Sunday, correspondent Rachel Martin filed a full story on pro-gay comments by both Schmidt and John McCain’s daughter Meghan. Anchor Dan Harris introduced the report: "There are some new and rather surprising voices wading into the debate over same-sex marriage. Last night, John McCain's daughter, Meghan, jumped into the fray, and she is not the only Republican suggesting that the party might want to reconsider its stance on this very divisive issue."
Martin began her report with a a clip of Meghan McCain boasting that she has many gay friends, and the ABC correspondent then continued: "The daughter of the GOP's most famous maverick headlined a Republican gay rights event, and, while she didn't go so far as to come out for gay marriage, her dad's former campaign manager did. ... even taking on the powerful religious right."
After a clip of Schmidt warning against the Republican party appearing to be a "sectarian party," Martin recounted recent victories for same-sex marriage in some state supreme courts and state legislatures. While acknowledging that most Americans, including many Democrats, oppose same-sex marriage, the ABC correspondent ignored past electoral defeats by the Democratic party linked to gay marriage initiatives and insisted that it is really Republicans who oppose gay marriage who should be politically afraid. Martin: "Most Americans still oppose gay marriage – Democrats and Republicans. But it's been in the GOP that the issue has recently come to the fore, with some suggesting the party must distance itself from the religious right if it's to make its way out of the political wilderness."
Back to Friday’s World News with Charles Gibson, host Gibson introduced his clip of Palin’s speech at a pro-life event: "Two frank comments by Republicans are generating a lot of discussion tonight. The Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, told an anti-abortion event that she wondered about ending her pregnancy when she learned her son Trig would be born with Down's Syndrome."
Then came a clip of Palin: "I thought, ’Wow, it is easy, could be easy to think maybe if trying to change the circumstances and no one would know, no one would ever know.’"
Gibson added: "But Palin said she realized she had to stay true to what she had long said, that life is valuable because it is ordained."
Then the ABC host quoted Schmidt’s pro-gay marriage speech. Gibson: "And the manager of Senator John McCain's presidential campaign, Steve Schmidt, urged the Republican party to support same-sex marriage. He said, quote, ‘As former Vice President Cheney observed, freedom means freedom for everybody. And I think Republicans should always be on the side of freedom and equal rights.’"
Below are complete transcripts of the relevant stories from the Friday, April 17, World News with Charles Gibson, and the April 19, World News Sunday from ABC:
#From the April 17 World News with Charles Gibson:
CHARLES GIBSON: Two frank comments by Republicans are generating a lot of discussion tonight. The Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, told an anti-abortion event that she wondered about ending her pregnancy when she learned her son Trig would be born with Down’s Syndrome.
SARAH PALIN: I thought, "Wow, it is easy, could be easy to think maybe if trying to change the circumstances and no one would know, no one would ever know."
GIBSON: But Palin said she realized she had to stay true to what she had long said, that life is valuable because it is ordained.
And the manager of Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign, Steve Schmidt, urged the Republican party to support same-sex marriage. He said, quote, "As former Vice President Cheney observed, freedom means freedom for everybody. And I think Republicans should always be on the side of freedom and equal rights."
#From the April 19 World News Sunday:
DAN HARRIS: There are some new and rather surprising voices wading into the debate over same-sex marriage. Last night, John McCain’s daughter, Meghan, jumped into the fray, and she is not the only Republican suggesting that the party might want to reconsider its stance on this very divisive issue. Here’s ABC’s Rachel Martin.
RACHEL MARTIN: Meghan McCain has a message.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: I have lots and lots of gay friends, and, yes, and I am a Republican.
MARTIN: The daughter of the GOP’s most famous maverick headlined a Republican gay rights event, and, while she didn’t go so far as to come out for gay marriage, her dad’s former campaign manager did.
STEVE SCHMIDT: -but it cannot be argued that marriage between people of the same sex is un-American-
MARTIN: Even taking on the powerful religious right.
SCHMIDT: In a free country, a political party cannot remain viable in the long term if it is seen as a sectarian party.
MARTIN: The comments come in the wake of two recent wins for the gay marriage movement – in Iowa, where the supreme court made history with the unanimous decision legalizing gay marriage. And Vermont, now the first state to legalize same-sex marriage through the legislature, not the courts. Most Americans still oppose gay marriage – Democrats and Republicans. But it’s been in the GOP that the issue has recently come to the fore, with some suggesting the party must distance itself from the religious right if it’s to make its way out of the political wilderness.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: Most of the old-school Republicans are scared [CENSORED]-
MARTIN: But those old-school Republicans are standing their ground.
WOMAN #1 IN AD: There’s a storm gathering.
MAN #1 IN AD: The clouds are dark and the winds are strong.
WOMAN #2 IN AD: And I am afraid.
MARTIN: The National Organization for Marriage released this ad warning about gay marriage.
STUART ROTHENBERG, ROTHENBERG POLITICAL REPORT: The Republican party knows which side of the debate it comes down on there. The question is, do they talk about that? Do they tear themselves apart over that, discussing that, or do they focus on their differences with President Obama?
MARTIN: How the party answers that question could shape the face and future of the GOP. Rachel Martin, ABC News, Washington.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




CHARLES GIBSON: Two frank comments by Republicans are generating a lot of discussion tonight. The Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, told an anti-abortion event that she wondered about ending her pregnancy when she learned her son Trig would be born with Down’s Syndrome.
MARTIN: The comments come in the wake of two recent wins for the gay marriage movement – in Iowa, where the supreme court made history with the unanimous decision legalizing gay marriage. And Vermont, now the first state to legalize same-sex marriage through the legislature, not the courts. Most Americans still oppose gay marriage – Democrats and Republicans. But it’s been in the GOP that the issue has recently come to the fore, with some suggesting the party must distance itself from the religious right if it’s to make its way out of the political wilderness. 














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Just another attempt by the
April 19, 2009 - 23:16 ET by MrSnugglesJust another attempt by the left to get conservatives to accept liberal viewpoints.
Sorry, its the liberal republicans that have put the party in the position it is in right now, why on earth would we want the party to go FURTHER to the left?
Many conservatives do not MrSnuggles
April 19, 2009 - 23:37 ET by shawn228There is the problem, some republicans and I would imagine they are quite a large number, or McCain never would have been the nominee, are for the party moving left.
Put this up against the many social conservatives within the party and that shows divisiveness.
There are small spats here and there with the dem party at the moment, but they are much more cohesive than the current GOP
He had my vote
party unity my ass:)i
April 19, 2009 - 23:51 ET by TruthMongerparty unity my ass:)
i got friendly advice for the left - become socially conservative if you want to enjoy your life
government is the communists capitalism
Open Primaries absolute
April 20, 2009 - 03:04 ET by GeronLOpen Primaries
absolute disastrous idea
politics of social conservatism
April 20, 2009 - 04:14 ET by AgnosticThe problem with social issues in the Republican Party is mainly that social conservatives decline to treat social issues as a political issue and therefore are easy to dismiss during political discussions. The way Republicans can win on social issues is to take all the energy they spend on defending their various causes and focus them on state rights and the power of the voters. Socially conservative issues almost always win at the ballot box. Instead they allow liberals to dictate a litmus test of social values based on single issues and invariably lose.
There may be a large portion of the Republican Party that wants the party to move left socially but I doubt that it is to the degree that would satisfy enough moderate liberals to warrant upsetting the base into not voting. However, there seems to be a vast majority of the party who want the Republicans to become more fiscally conservative.
The lack of leadership in the Republican Party has exacerbated these issues and created a vacuum for such outlets as the Tea Parties.
As far as the unity of the Democrat Party a lot of that has to do with having a minority in the White House and a strong socialist minority at that. The Democrats control everything but the Supreme Court right now and even these judges split very slightly left of center. Any complaints within the party would have to be levied against the Democrats and that won’t due. The refusal to blame themselves and their near apoplectic hatred of the previous administration bonds them together. Hate to say it but refusal to take responsibility, hate and racism are the main reasons the Liberal Democrats are so united right now. While I must note that does not include all Democrats only those left of an imaginary demarcation line.
person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
we don't defend - we're
April 20, 2009 - 08:48 ET by TruthMongerwe don't defend - we're always on offense - like Jesus is
government is the communists capitalism
TM,
April 21, 2009 - 04:54 ET by AgnosticI respect your beliefs and your opinion but politically that will be a losing strategy. Social issues must stay within the arena of states rights or you might as well abandoned the idea of conservatism and go all the way to a war between the modified civil liberty ideas of the left and the a government run by religous ideology in a winner take all battle for the federal government.
The federal government must be reduce and removed as much as practical from the life of the individual citizen. The states must be empowered with leadership answerable to the people of that state. Religious as well as personal freedoms must be allowed by the individual states with any limitation or exceptions being voted on by the people of that state.
I never mentioned defending your beliefs but to fight in the appropriate battle field. I don't think you can win as long as the federal governemnt has the majority of the power because of their pandering and the obvious liberalism of the judicial system.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
shawn, they are more
April 20, 2009 - 06:02 ET by motherbeltshawn, they are more "cohesive" as you say because in spite of billing themselves as the party of "diversity" they are in lockstep with their belief in "the party above all."
No matter what the differences they all bite the bullet and toe the party line when push comes to shove.
Most of them will willingly jettison their principles and stand behind a candidate they disagree with. To them winning really is the only thing.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
mb
April 20, 2009 - 09:06 ET by Seashell"Most of them will willingly jettison their principles and stand behind a candidate they disagree with. To them winning really is the only thing."
Right you are. I remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger won the governorship of Calf.and Eunice Shriver was ask why she was there supporting a republican. She replied that it is all about her family WINNING.
If
April 20, 2009 - 07:37 ET by RowaneIf you're going to vote with the Dems why call yourself a rep?
Nonsense
April 20, 2009 - 08:51 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou have no evidence that there's a 'large number' of Republicans that want to move the party to the 'left'. You're just spewing liberal pablum puke, like everyone else on the left, in the hopes of effecting that transition. As though such a transition would attract leftists? Why vote liberal-lite when you can have the real deal - democRATS? Utter nonsense. (See also; Bob 'Big Tent' Dole)
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
John McCain
April 20, 2009 - 09:08 ET by shawn228...won the Republican nomination, out of the hundreds of regular posters here on NB, I did not see one person that voted for him in the primary. This suggest that perhaps hard core conservatives are no longer the voice of the GOP
The party is extremely divided right now. Look at all the people on this site that want to start a new party, because of all the current RINO's in the GOP.
Even though 55 million people voted for John McCain, Obama gave McCAin a beating not seen since Ronald Reagan beat Mondale. Obama doubled up on McCain with the electoral votes and won Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia. If losing those 3 very red states is not a sign the GOP is in serious trouble, I don't know what is.
He had my vote
Right Shawn
April 20, 2009 - 09:34 ET by BlondeHow could we possibly have forgotten without you reminding us for the five millionth time?
McCain, the centrist, won the nomination because of a spastic and stupid primary methodology, where the left leaning states, in a caucus and an open primary (Iowa, NH) set the early momentum in the election. Many of the rest of the early primaries also were open, allowing democrats (nay, the media pushing McCain like mad at that point) and independents to shape the agenda.
To cap it off on Super Tuesday, with my pathetic RINO Governor Crist throwing in behind McRino, and that was it, game over before the majority of republican primaries had been held.
To equate Obama's victory with Reagan's is abusurd on its face. This map shows the election results, where pure red and blue represent 70% or higher votes for either party.
The high tax and spend areas of liberalism along the east and west coasts all had early primaries, as well as certain bastions of midwest liberalism, to wit, primaries (remember, many open) on or prior to February 5th (and these are merely the traditional blues states, not the toss up states): Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Maine, AZ, California, Colorado, Delware, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, New Mexico.
So instead of dazzling us with your constant whine about the 3 former red states, do a little more thinking before you claim, yet again, that the republican party needs to move further left, and try to really analyze why we got McCain in 2008. 95% of the Black vote going to Obama also figures into it.
I hope he fails, too.
Hi B
April 20, 2009 - 09:45 ET by shawn228I'm on my way to work, not much time. I'm not saying the party needs to move left, i'm saying the party is very divisive right now on the direction that it wants to go.
I will check out your links when I get home, have a good day.
He had my vote
~Blonde
April 20, 2009 - 13:44 ET by choselife3xMy county is a little blue dot surrounded by red on that map.
Blonde and Candance
April 20, 2009 - 20:33 ET by shawn228I want to emphasize again that I am not suggesting that the Republican party go more to the left, I am saying that the Republican party is divisive right now. Some people like some of the more moderate conservatives, while some want to get rid of all the RINO's. I believe the Democrats are more united and they have more voters.
I will also look more into why McCain won the primaries, but I thought winning Texas, , Florida and Kansas are pretty conservative states.
As far as North Carolina, Virginia and Indiana. The overal political landscape might be more diverse, but a Dem Presidential Candidate has not won North Carolina for 34 years and 47 years for Virginia and Indiana. To me when you change things around after 3 and 4 decades, that is no small feat.
"Maybe we should tell Shawn that since Arnold won the governorship in
California, it means Democrats might soon lose their stronghold there.
Think he'd buy it?"
No, I don't buy it :-) I believe Reagan won California, but I would also agree if a Republican won California in 2012, I would be equally amazed if a blue state like Cali turned red.
He had my vote
shawn228...
April 20, 2009 - 09:43 ET by dborschjr68"This suggest that perhaps hard core conservatives are no longer the voice of the GOP. The party is extremely divided right now. Look at all the people on
this site that want to start a new party, because of all the current
RINO's in the GOP."
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Hmmm...methinks you are onto something here, Mr. Shawn. It's amusing to me that it takes a liberal to acknowledge this.
But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a silly Independent, hated by the GOP because I threaten their power base. In case you hadn't noticed, I am treated just like I'm a liberal Democrat. The irony, the irony...
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
You flatter yourself..
April 20, 2009 - 09:50 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. Independents are not that large in number. You naively believe what the liberal MSM wants you to believe.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Sergeant ROCK...
April 20, 2009 - 10:09 ET by dborschjr68"Independents are not that large in number. You naively believe what the liberal MSM wants you to believe."
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You wound me, sir. To imply I am naive in any matter is presumptuous on your part, is it not? If I were that easily swayed by the liberal MSM, why oh why would I bother coming to this particular website at all? It seems my presence here should be enough to let you know I am anything but naive.
Unless of course you think I am a liberal. Then I would understand your implication.
I acknowledge what you have said, and respect your right to Free Speech. Have an awesome day, Seargeant ROCK!
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
BS
April 20, 2009 - 10:26 ET by well99"You naively believe what the liberal MSM wants you to believe."
That is a lie but go ahead and repeat it as much as you need.Unless you have facts to back that up.You know real facts.Not because you think it is so it must be so.Just like the left.See you have something in common with them.
Jack@ss..
April 20, 2009 - 11:32 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. so you really believe the lie about 'Independent' numbers, huh? They're that vast in number? YOU show me the proof - IDIOT!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Which lie?
April 20, 2009 - 11:52 ET by well99Yours or theirs.You are no different then them.Same BS.
That would be your lie..
April 20, 2009 - 11:56 ET by Sergeant ROCK... about the vast numbers of 'Independents' that the MSM purports to be a fact. You are the one that subscribes to that BS, evidently.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Wow
April 20, 2009 - 12:03 ET by well99Why dont you copy and paste where I mentioned numbers.Here is a hint.You will notice " " around a statement of yours.That could be what I was refering too.
Which was in reference..
April 20, 2009 - 12:11 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. to the MSM's constant mention of large numbers when referencing so-called 'Independents'. Now, shut your pie-hole.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Wow
April 20, 2009 - 12:18 ET by well99"You naively believe what the liberal MSM wants you to believe."
God your stupid.Just a note:I dont take orders from punks.
Sergeant ROCK/well99...
April 20, 2009 - 12:23 ET by dborschjr68"Shut your pie-hole", "Idiot", "Jackass",....such words to refer to well99 is bad form, sir.
When you de-base yourself thusly, it leads people to believe that you are not in control of your faculties and lack any real reasoning ability.
Anger is a great form of emotional drive, but it makes for a terrible go-to in the face of discussion.
Please, sir, do grow up. You can do better than resorting to name-calling and condescension.
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
YOU think it is bad form? Well99 has been known to blow a
April 20, 2009 - 13:08 ET by pahubergasket from time to time. I've encountered this during our one meeting...all I could get from well99 was personal attacks.
Perhaps you can quit the self righteous crap you are puting on here... please.
Thanks,
pahuber
ph
April 20, 2009 - 13:18 ET by well99"Perhaps you can quit the self righteous crap you are puting on here... please."
Lead by example.
I believe I have well99... you are emotionaly unstable and have
April 20, 2009 - 13:22 ET by pahuberexhibited this with me personally.
Our last meeting was a classic example of what a big hot puff of gaseous air you are.
But, I just wanted to point that out ...
Have a nice day : )
ph
April 20, 2009 - 18:09 ET by well99So that means no christmas card?You have the right to your belief no matter how wrong you are....toddles
Hey, just judging you on your last encounter with me...
April 20, 2009 - 18:22 ET by pahuberSure, I could send a Christmas card : )
pahuber...
April 20, 2009 - 13:56 ET by dborschjr68I was not seeking to defend well99 in relation to the entire of his posts on a grand scale. I was moreso seeking to express my opinion to Sergeant ROCK that by his calling well99 names, it comes across to me as childish and in poor form.
I do not know well99, save for the comments he/she has posted here in this particular thread. Quite honestly, this morning was the first time I had even seen their name in a thread.
I believe Sergeant ROCK was simply being rude, is all. My opinion is not a personal attack. I neither hate nor dislike Sergeant ROCK, as I do not know him at all. I surely would not resort to name-calling in my dealings with complete strangers on this website, and I wished to comment on his doing so.
Perhaps you are correct in saying that well99 is a mean person, and has attacked you personally in the past. I cannot render an affirmation nor denial of this. If this be the case, then I am sorry you were attacked by anyone on this site.
As to the remark that I, "can quit the self righteous crap you are puting on here... please"....wow. Indeed. Please feel free to research every single one of my posts and let me know at one point that I acted rudely or name-called anyone. I would gladly, gladly apologize for acting in such fashion.
I expressed my opinion, under the Free Speech entitlement of the Constitution. And you have as well. What an awesome country we live in!
Have a great day, yourself, pahuber!
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
What an awesome country we live in!
April 20, 2009 - 18:23 ET by pahuberIndeed it is.
Sergeant ROCK...
April 20, 2009 - 12:17 ET by dborschjr68Now that I have had some time to research it, the MSM has never cared about us Independent folks. They have story upon story about the GOP and such, but us Independents are neutral, for the most part. Since this is the case, the MSM regards us as meaningless and not worthy of their attentions.
So your comment earlier to me about me believing what the MSM would have me believe about the number of Independents in America is erroneous. The MSM doesn't support this comment of yours, at all.
Case in point: The TEA Parties were made up of a great many Independents, but the MSM would have us all believe it was a "GOP thing". Why wouldn't the MSM mention us at all? It's because we are meaningless to them.
And in retort to us Independents being smaller than I think, well, if I were to raise-up a banner calling for Conservatism in today's America, outside of the GOP, do you honestly think people would not flock to me? Are the political platforms in this country so set in stone?
In light of this, I believe you were speaking outside of reality. Again, as I support and defend Free Speech, this doesn't bother me. Your opinion matters, albeit I choose to file it away under my mental list of emotional drivel.
Have a great day, Sergeant ROCK!
Long Live the Republic.
De Oppresso Liber.
dborschjr68 ~ just reading your comments YOU sound like the
April 20, 2009 - 13:18 ET by pahuberliberal.
Ending w/ the same style of snarky comments... perhaps if you have the emotional issues?
You and well99 seem to do very nice together...
Todays word of the day is
April 20, 2009 - 13:22 ET by well99Hypocrite
"a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."
LOL well99, nice quote... however, now you need to learn how to
April 20, 2009 - 13:24 ET by pahuberapply the meaning correctly :)
ph
April 20, 2009 - 13:28 ET by well99What can I say.I got that know thing going on.Anyhow it has been fun.Time for a break.Have a good day.
LOL ~ sure you too
April 20, 2009 - 13:31 ET by pahuberbye
come on Shawn
April 20, 2009 - 09:50 ET by candanceApparently you have never been to Indiana, Virginia or North Carolina. Those states are purple at best.
NC has had a Democrat governor for the past 15 years. John Edwards was a Senator there. Mike Nifong, the lying attorney who persecuted the Duke boys, was elected there more than once. Indiana is the home of Evan Bayh and had a Democrat governor for 12 years before Mitch Daniels. Virginia is controlled almost entirely by Democrats at the local level.
Just because those states tend to go red in presidential elections every four years does not mean they are solid red states.
candance
April 20, 2009 - 09:51 ET by BlondeSee the map linked in my post, above. Very cool map, and shows the red/blue/shades of purple on a county by county basis.
I hope he fails, too.
well lookie there
April 20, 2009 - 10:00 ET by candanceAll of the urban areas in VA and NC are blue while the rural parts are red. And then they wonder why Raleigh is such a dump.
Maybe we should tell Shawn that since Arnold won the governorship in California, it means Democrats might soon lose their stronghold there. Think he'd buy it?
Don't know, can
April 20, 2009 - 10:23 ET by BlondeGreat question, tho, we'll have to ask him when he returns.
I was intrigued by that map from the moment I first laid eyes on it.
And you can see the migration patterns, too....from the solidly blue states in New York....with the lovely flock of retired snowbirds here in South Florida, turning us blue too....as well as Arizona & New Mexico (poor AZ, they're getting it from the Midwest hellholes like Chicago and Detroit as well as refugees from CA)....even the Big Sky country is seeing it's share of libs move in and turning them purple.
No more open primaries. And we need about a 3 week primary season. Done. Everyone's vote counts equally. And do away with Iowa and NH as "first" (apologies to NK, but you know I'm right).
I hope he fails, too.
Indiana is mostly
April 20, 2009 - 18:30 ET by balboaIndiana is mostly Republican. Bloomington is one of the few Democrat strongholds.
shawn,conservatives
April 20, 2009 - 09:34 ET by well99Why is being against same sex marriage conservative?Why is being against "illegal" immigration considered the same?Being pro life is conservative?The answer to all 3 is no.Believeing that marriage is between a man and a women has nothing to do with a political view,anymore than believeing it is wrong for people to come in this country illegal.I yet to meet someone on/off line that supported amnesty and was willing to give up their job or SSN.Surpriseing isnt it.Also being against someone putting holes in the skull of a baby isnt conservative it is being a human.This isnt the old days.There is all kinds of protection.Just a note:Didnt you get a P3?
Well, You are correct.
April 20, 2009 - 09:46 ET by TheGingermanWell,
You are correct. Being against same sex marriage isn't the result of a political view.
It's a purely religious view.
As for immigration, I don't know anyone who is pro-illegal immigration except the American business owners who hire and exploit them.
TG
April 20, 2009 - 10:14 ET by well99"As for immigration, I don't know anyone who is pro-illegal immigration except the American business owners who hire and exploit them."
True and the unions that want the dues,the left who want the votes,and these churches that want them in their pews.
Well, Good point but the
April 20, 2009 - 10:22 ET by TheGingermanWell,
Good point but the main problem is those who hire them. If there weren't any jobs, they wouldn't come. Everything else you mention is just a side effect.
This is what I've never understood about illegal immigration. The solution to the problem seems so simple. Punish those who hire illegals. It's easy to pin point industries that are most likely to do so. Contracting, manufacturing, maintenance, etc. etc.
It makes me think that there is a conscious effort to not stop illegal immigration.
TG
April 20, 2009 - 10:35 ET by well99I agree on buisness and the fact those that hire illegals can underbid/underprice buisnesses that hire Americans.Like you say. Look at Seattle I believe.Where ICE raided a place.The illegals were let go later and given work permits.Cant win for losing.
Well, Yeah that story is
April 20, 2009 - 11:26 ET by TheGingermanWell,
Yeah that story is not my favorite, but at the same time, I see the logic in getting them on record.
I'm fine with immigrants coming to America so long as they pay taxes and obtain citizenship.
Some of the hardest working guys I've ever known were Mexican immigrants, but they were LEGAL Mexican immigrants.
TG
April 20, 2009 - 12:07 ET by well99I have nothing against legal immigration.It is illegal immigration I am against.I dont care where illegals come from.Ireland,Tibet or Nova Scotia.It is wrong.Just come here the right way.
No it isnt
April 20, 2009 - 13:43 ET by general companyIt's a purely religious view.
Cali isnt 70% religious, I am not either. I just simply think it is wrong. I think the majority of folks think the same way regaurdless of their religious beliefs.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
MrSnuggles... I've put
April 19, 2009 - 23:51 ET by bigtimerMrSnuggles...
I've put links here too for the last two day now about Schmidt/McC and McConnell not supporting Bunning with fund raising...plus posted various comments with this.
I will never ever vote for a RINO again...it was all I could do to vote for him the last time.
There is a war in the party...if the conservatives don't win....the 'R' party is done...a third party will emerge...a real one that will last.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
we always win bt its simply
April 19, 2009 - 23:59 ET by TruthMongerwe always win bt its simply a matter of time
government is the communists capitalism
Hey howdy TM... Yep...right
April 20, 2009 - 00:16 ET by bigtimerHey howdy TM...
Yep...right you are!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Mr. Snuggles
April 20, 2009 - 01:16 ET by Daniel BakerAgreed. Republicans need to speak out against the hate for our religous beliefs, and tell the abuses that our going on in Europe and which our coming here. This is their only chance for survival. Too bad McCain worshipped at the feet of the homosexuals.
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IOWA shall not be taken over by high priests of redefined marriage(liberal judges). We must fight! Good men want freedom, Evil men want license
Where are the McCainiacs now?
April 20, 2009 - 08:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKI recall taking a beating here for being against a McCain nomination. Where are his apologists now? The only reason McCain got the nomination was because of that idiotic change that allowed everyone not a Republican to vote in the GOP primaries. That, and to a lesser degree, the backroom deal with Huckabee.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
tin foil hats
April 20, 2009 - 00:04 ET by Nearly NobodyI bet if you look hard enough you can find a few conservatives that have tin foil hats on their heads
"Nearly Nobody's News"
and
April 20, 2009 - 07:39 ET by RowaneI'll bet if you just scratch the serface, you can find a lot of libtards with tinfoil hats.
The euphemisms from
April 20, 2009 - 00:13 ET by TEThe euphemisms from leftists, particularly from abortion enthusiasts like Charles Gibson, never end.
Gibson: "The Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, told an anti-abortion event that she wondered about ending her pregnancy when she learned her son Trig would be born with Down’s Syndrome."
"[E]nding her pregnancy"? Doesn't child birth "end a pregnancy" or does Gibson have something else in mind that he would rather not say?
Palin considered Abortion = FACT
April 20, 2009 - 00:37 ET by PopularTechWhat kind of propaganda spin is saying her talking about ending her pregnancy really supposed to meang iving birth? Are you serious?
Sarah Palin considered aborting Down's syndrome son 'for a fleeting moment' (The Guardian, UK)
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
The left is OK with
April 20, 2009 - 08:26 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThe left is OK with aborting a pregnancy if the baby is 'handicapped' or it is the 'wrong' sex, that is a celebration of choice. How about if it has the 'gay gene', can we choose to celebrate and abort for that reason???
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The media has to be stopped...
April 20, 2009 - 00:16 ET by AgentAmericanI hope the on-street spat with Roesgen at the Tea Party is just the beginning...only WE THE PEOPLE can stop the MSM. They are the real problem.
2010: A GOP Hill
AA... You are so
April 20, 2009 - 00:29 ET by bigtimerAA...
You are so right...and they are becoming totally out of control with their wrecklessness...it is becoming more than obvious and offensive for all to see with disdain...
The dems are in the same pattern...arrogance, control, power is not a becoming thing to witness...nor be forced upon by some in this country...hence the Tea Parties...and more to come the longer this continues.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Let us now praise famous men--or women...
April 20, 2009 - 07:08 ET by ThalpyHi bt-- Our Leftist press insist on quoting and profiling the loons of the Republican party who have guided it to crushing defeats. When a political party no longer values its base and its principles, it's no longer that party. John McCain does not support my beliefs. John McCain's daughter in no way speaks for me. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson speak for me. Just as there should never be a "liberal" pope, we must not ever again accept a Democrat "lite" as our candidate--for anything.
MSM Myopia
April 20, 2009 - 00:46 ET by GalvanicLike its shallow and erroneous assesment of the Tea Party movement, the MSM intentionally or naively makes the Republican Party synonomous with conservatism, and vice versa.
So, it's only natural that their coverage since the Republican defeats in 2006 and 2008, has linked their political misfortunes with the perceived death (or dying) of conservatism. And the MSM loves covering the death of anything because it feeds ratings betterthan positive stories.
After faithfully following the WH orchestrated, clumsy (and failed)campaign to make Limbaugh -- a bona fide conservative -- the Face of the GOP, they are now offering us a media-preferred alternative: the photogenic Ms. McCain, who must be face of the future Republican Party if it's to survive. She's just the kind of Republican they're likely to meet at their country clubs. Of course, to the best of my knowledge, Princess McCain doesn't claim to be conservative; just a disenchanted young Republican. But in fact, she sounds no different than a number of Republican politicians like Arlen Specter and her old man.
Still, she doesn't represent American conservatism.
The Republican Party, like any political party that morphs to survive, will live or die for any one or combination of factors, but conservatism will always remain an American political philosophy. As if the GOP and conservative were conjoined twins, the MSM assumes or hopes that the death of one means the death of both.
Spin
April 20, 2009 - 00:50 ET by KC MulvilleIf you start with the assumption that the media is reporting honestly, then you might think that these sprouts of liberal "openness" point to a new trend that will doom conservatism. But of course, caveat emptor -- this is just liberal media spin.
The Republican Party has moderates and liberals for a long time. In fact, we conservatives have long felt that a lack of support for truly conservative ideas by the Republican Party. They promote the ideas when campaigning, but the moment they get into office, they trade away those ideas like baseball cards. Their commitment to conservative ideas lasts only so long as they need votes, and then they govern on a "centrist, moderate" mishmash that guarantees failure. The idea that "centrists" are breaking through a wall of conservative ignorance is just a media and liberal fantasy.
The media wants that to happen, so they start the ball rolling with bogus reports, encouraging others that it already is happening. It's like a bad used car salesman who pressures a buyer into believing that a lot of other people want to buy the car. It's a scam.
Sadly, there are too many Progressives and pseudo-conservatives
April 20, 2009 - 01:18 ET by Rush Fanwho call themselves Republicans and conservatives. For Meghan McCain, her primary interest is extending her 15 minutes of fame. You can't blame her for that since she learned the thrill of being in the liberal spotlight from her RINO father. Both father and daughter McCain know that they are always welcome in the liberal media as long as they say something negative about conservatives, Republicans, or in John Rino McCain's case anything negative regarding former President Bush.
As for the pseudo-conservative "intellectuals" in the party, they believe that the Republican Party must undergo major change if it is to increase membership to compete with the Democrats. So people such as David Frum, David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and Kathleen Parker believe that ending the era of Reagan, minimizing the "Religious Right", recognizing gay marriage, and not pushing the pro-life position will accomplish this change. In reality, they want us to become more like Democrats.
Rush Limbaugh understood what it takes to win when he said: "We can
get women, we can get everybody with a set of core principles that we
do not abandon that benefit everybody, regardless the damned color of
their skin or their gender!"
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"Powell's not a Republican. McCain's not a Republican. These guys are not even mavericks. They are Washingtonians. Washingtonians have their own culture and their own desires, and it is to matter. They don't care who's in power, they just want to be closely associated with whoever is. That's the name of the game and they want press adulation. They want to be loved and adored by the media, they want fawning treatment, they want to be thought of as something special, unique, dignified and so forth, and that's the Washington establishment." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Scared that next Repub canidate won't hit Barrack on gays
April 20, 2009 - 01:21 ET by Daniel BakerI want a Repub that will say that Barrack is supporting redefining marriage.
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IOWA shall not be taken over by high priests of redefined marriage(liberal judges). We must fight! Good men want freedom, Evil men want license
Not a political issue
April 20, 2009 - 02:49 ET by chaosmongerMy sister-in-law, who is a die hard, left wing, democrat, told me once that gay marriage would be legal everywhere if it weren't for those damn Republicans.
I told her that was a dishonest viewpoint, for if she really looked deep at it, even Democrats don't want gay marriage legal. I told her it's not a political issue, just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean you are automatically for gay marriage.
Social issues are a tough sell when you try to make them political. If the Republicans are so weak right now, why do these gay marriage bills keep getting voted down when they are put to vote before the people? If it were just a Republican thing, these should be getting passed with flying colors.
The Libertarian View
April 20, 2009 - 07:33 ET by JustAlAs a long time "Porcupine Libertarian," I would like to point out that there is room for social moderation on the part of many people at both poles of the spectrum.
I am not religious, but I have a problem with people attacking others' religious beliefs, just as I do with people trying to force others to live up to their religious beliefs.
The nanny state has two faces, the one that weaves an ever tighter "safety net" to protect people from the consequences of their actions; and the one that weaves an ever tighter "net" of laws and restrictions to prevent those peoples' actions in the first place.
We have made a huge industry out of prosecuting our fellow citizens for choosing as adults to ingest drugs other than caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, or whatever new poison the pharmaceutical company is pushing currently. The one's who benefit from this are the trial lawyers (and we all know where their money goes), and the criminals.
Driving up the profit margin on the drug trade and it's resulting level of violence is a poor trade off for the satisfaction some may have for forcing others to live their lives in a way they did not choose. The same can be said for gambling and prostitution.
Everyone gets off the "Liberty Train" at different points I guess, but political views form a continuum of bell curves intersecting at random angles and intervals. Some of us are fiscal conservatives, who want our country to remain strong, but also think grown ups should be allowed to live their lives with a minimum of interference, by anyone.
Martin began her report
April 20, 2009 - 07:56 ET by dborschjr68Martin began her report with a a clip of Meghan McCain boasting that she (MMcCain) has many gay friends....
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Why is it when a person knows they are wrong in their beliefs, that they cite having "friends" who are part of their wrong belief system, as if this gives them immunity from being criticized?
De Oppresso Liber.
It is called intelligence
April 20, 2009 - 08:22 ET by general companythat they cite having "friends" who are part of their wrong belief system, as if this gives them immunity from being criticized?
Or the lack of, these folks are to PC to know right from wrong
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
60 million still voted for a RINO, i.e. a dem-lite
April 20, 2009 - 08:15 ET by jondelwicheYet, it's ALWAYS the few naysayers who the MSM loves
to showcase. After an 8 trillion dollar increase in the fed debt from 2009-2012, 2012 will be a golden opportunity for the right person with the right's message.
Never forget, there were postmortems galore about how the Dem party was dead, dead, dead after the 2004 election, but they still rallied a meager two years later to win BIG. In politics, you're only as good as the last election cycle.
This IS a great time, if only we get the right person to rise to power of the GOP. No more RINO, no more demlites, no more bushes.
Why is it conservatives ALWAYS have to compromise our values
April 20, 2009 - 09:02 ET by moderncommentaries83And, specifically, religious conservatives?
Why do we have to toss our sincerely held beliefs aside while liberals can cling to theirs? And why is it "equality" never, ever means the right to express your religious views in public...even if others don't like them?
Marriage is not a "right"; no one - straight or gay - has the "right" to get married, if it was a "right", then anyone who rejected our advances or proposals when it came to relationships and dating would be violating our "right" to marry...there are lots of single people out there, then, who are having their "right" to marry violated.
So this is not about equality. It's about sticking it to religious conservatives.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Religious Conservatives
April 20, 2009 - 09:09 ET by Sergeant ROCKPrecisely. Have you ever noticed that you don't see any conservative movement to change the direction of the democRATic party? But we have a concerted effort by liberals to destroy conservatism from within the GOP.
Which is why conservatives need to take control of the GOP and quit giving in to these usurpers. That, or form a new party.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
John McCain
April 20, 2009 - 10:35 ET by Jerry MackJohn McCain lost because he threw too many people under the bus that would normally donate money and do precint work. The religous leaders, Bill Cunningham and the people that were against his amnesty Bill. These people may have voted for him but did not do any local work for him. It is necessary to convince the people that do not pay attention or know anything about the candidates to vote for your person. This is how you win.
This is why she is striking back and making all this noise. Daddy lost and she is blaming conservatives. She, just like John don't get it.
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I like how the GOP offers
April 20, 2009 - 11:24 ET by wiwfI like how the GOP offers all or nothing candidated when it comes to social issues. It's either psycho huckabee or insane mccain.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
→ John McCain
April 20, 2009 - 11:27 ET by Cool ArrowMcCain lost because the Dems already had a candidate.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Exactly. I swore an oath
April 20, 2009 - 11:55 ET by Ruths husband BenExactly. I swore an oath to never again voting for a Democrat (on a National level) last year. I am close to making the same oath for Republicans (no matter the cost). I have no use for a Democrat-lite Party.
Obama: "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud