NBC: One Gunman ‘Loved Guns and Hated America,’ Other ‘Passionate About Gun Rights’

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For both the Binghamton, New York, shooting spree, and the Pittsburgh case, Saturday's NBC Nightly News made a point of relaying word that the gunman either had a love of guns or was "passionate" about supporting gun rights. During a report on Jiverly Voong, who attacked the immigration center in Binghamton, correspondent Ron Allen referred to "some reports" that Voong "loved guns and hated America." Allen: "Some reports described him as an angry loner who loved guns and hated America. He had no criminal record, and police say they had no clue he was so dangerous."

In a report on Richard Poplawski, who murdered three police officers in Pittsburgh, correspondent Jeff Rossen related: "While the motive is unclear, friends say the gunman was upset after getting laid off from a local factory and became passionate about gun rights."

Then came a soundbite of Edward Perkovic, a friend of Poplawski: "He always said that if anybody ever tried to take his firearms, he was going to stand by what his forefathers told him to do and defend themselves."

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Below are transcripts of relevant portions of the Saturday, April 4, NBC Nightly News:

RON ALLEN: Jiverly Voong's family told police that they were not surprised by what he did. He was angry after being recently fired from a job, and he couldn't find another one. He was upset that people were belittling him because he didn't speak English very well. Well, he came here to this civic association and opened fire on a class of immigrants learning English, a place that helps immigrants realize the American dream. Interestingly, Voong had been a student here at this very center until last month when he dropped out of class. That's the connection between him and this place now mourning 13 lost souls.

Authorities say Jiverly Voong planned a long siege, and to take on police. Clad in body armor, armed with two semi-automatic handguns – both registered to him – and a bag full of ammunition, Voong barricaded the back door of the cultural center with a car, then stormed in the front door. He never said a word while opening fire on two receptionists. One died, the other, Shirley DeLuca, severely wounded, played dead.

JOE ZIKULSKI, BINGHAMTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF: She crawled underneath the desk. Luckily, she had access to a cell phone and she called 911.

ALLEN: The building was busy. Dozens of people fled to the basement or hid where they could. Police arrived two minutes later – too late. The shooting had stopped.

ZIKULSKI: He must have been a coward. We speculate that when he heard the sirens, that he decided to end his own life, so he was heavily armed, had a lot of ammunition on him. Thank God before more lives were lost that he decided to do that.

ALLEN: Voong had killed 13 people in a class of about 50 students studying English. Each victim riddled with multiple wounds. ... Wong lived with his mother, father, and sister on this suburban street. He was not married. Some reports described him as an angry loner who loved guns and hated America. He had no criminal record, and police say they had no clue he was so dangerous.

ZIKUSKI: If some crazy lunatic decides to pick up a gun and go some place and start shooting people, I really don't have the answer to how law enforcement can prevent anything like that.

ALLEN: Throughout the day, investigators have been trying to identify all the victims and notify the families. They come from nine countries.

...

JEFF ROSSEN, REPORTING ON THE PITTSBURGH SHOOTING SPREE: While the motive is unclear, friends say the gunman was upset after getting laid off from a local factory and became passionate about gun rights.

EDWARD PERKOVIC, FRIEND OF GUNMAN RICHARD POPLAWSKI: He always said that if anybody ever tried to take his firearms, he was going to stand by with his forefathers told him to do and defend themselves.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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That's a liberal tactic...I

That's a liberal tactic...I remember reading in the WaPo a long time ago about two Senators.  Names escape me, but one was called a gun nut and the other a gun-control stalwart.

 

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

Never ends

He who controls the content of news, controls the news to the masses.

This is what you get when

This is what you get when media (faux-news) is owned by a non-media corporation.  All you get is their agenda, whatever that may be.

Did Orwell predict the future?  Or are the enemies of freedom following Orwell's example?

Just read where the killer's mom was ticked because

her son's dog was peeing all over the house...so she called 9 1 1 ???????

Will PETA now become involved???  Will the msm somehow combine animal rights and gun ownership to take the hit for this total JERK's insanity?

How MANY more, I ask you, HOW MANY more?  Once again, all the 24/7 coverage will simply excite the next jackass into trying for his moment of 'glory'!

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090405/ap_on_re_us/pittsburgh_shooting_27

If these facts are accurate:

The Saturday argument between Margaret and Richard Poplawski escalated to the point that she threatened to kick him out and she called police to do it, according to a 12-page criminal complaint and affidavit filed late Saturday.

When officers Paul Sciullo III and Stephen Mayhle arrived, Margaret Poplawski opened the door and told them to come in and take her 23-year-old son, apparently unaware he was standing behind her with a rifle, the affidavit said. Hearing gunshots, she spun around to see her son with the gun and ran to the basement.

My take, so what we have here is a young person faced with being made homeless and hauled off by the police freaked out because mommy decided she didn't want Johnny living in the basement anymore. 

So what part of police officer intervening in a family disagreement strikes you as somehow not what police officers should be doing?  Since when are the police supposed to be professional movers???  Are police officers animal wardens that they should be investigating a dog peeing on the furniture???  Hello, hello, what's wrong with this picture?????  I'm sorry, IMHO government has no business meddling in the internal workings of a family, period.  No one would have died had government hadn't made it its business to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.  Three officers are dead, and one young man is going to jail for the rest of his life because MOMMY wanted to cut Johnny's apron strings???  How messed up is that?????????????? 

If there is anyone to blame here it is the legislators who passed laws making the police responsible for doing what parenting should be doing.  Oh, that's right the Nanny State knows best. 

Let this be a lessen to all liberals, meddling busybodies and feminists: throwing someone out of their home is the NUCLEAR OPTION, expect collateral damage.  When you throw someone out of their home using people with guns, expect equal force in return.  When men with guns walk up to your door, they shouldn't be surprised if the occupant responds in kind.  Having a badge or passing a law is no subsititue for common sense and negotiation.    

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

The police were doing what

The police were doing what they are paid to do.  And thank God they do.  But I guess poor little Richie taught them a lesson, didn't he?  A couple of shots to their respective heads delivered by that piece of scum ensures those officers will not be responding to any future calls for help.  Nor will the third officer little Richie gunned down.

God bless the souls of these heroic men in blue.  Little Richie can rot in Hell.

Jer

I repeat what you clearly

I repeat what you clearly ignored:

government has no business meddling in the internal workings of a
family, period.  No one would have died had government hadn't made it
its business to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.  Three
officers are dead, and one young man is going to jail for the rest
of his life because MOMMY wanted to cut Johnny's apron strings???

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

The police have a

The police have a responsibility to respond to every emergency call.  It is not always possible for them to discern the seriousness of a situation during a phone call.  Would you like it if you called the police for help (say, God forbid, a family fight became serious) and they ignored your call and you get injured or killed because of that?  Some sympathy for the police officers, please.

Camelopardalis...Thank

Camelopardalis...

Thank you for pointing out the fact that dscott is clearly ignoring.

Jer

Hello, is anyone home? 

Hello, is anyone home?  Where are your critical thinking skills?  When mommy called the police did she say she was being attacked by an armed person, i.e. her son???  NOT!  What did mommy tell the police???  Get the facts.  

Telling the police I want Johnny removed from my house because I'm tired of his dog peeing on my furniture IS NOT A JOB for the POLICE. 

IF MOMMY was "in danger" then why didn't she tell the police her son had guns and she was afraid? If she had, then the police would have responded to the call with guns drawn and multiple units.  Did they?  NOT!!!!   Hello, hello why are the police being asked to be an eviction squad????  Use your common sense.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Yeah, I'm home... And my

Yeah, I'm home...

And my critical thinking skills are operating just fine, but thanks anyway for your concern.

The police are not dispossessory agents.  They do not serve eviction notices or enforce them.  They do respond to domestic disturbance calls regarding incidents which may prove to be exasperatingly trivial or extraordinarily dangerous.

Do you know the complete details of the call that was made by the mother in this case, or the intensity of the "fight" which had occurred or was possibly ongoing between the soon-to-be cop killer and her?  Have you heard the tape of the 911 call or read the filed affadavit?  Do you know whether there was any history of violence involving the parties?  Unless and until yuu are aware of the totality of circumstances, I think it highly inappropriate and insensitive to jump to "blame the victims" speculation [which is only slightly mitigated by your "if this is true" qualification]. 

Jer

 

The police will even respond

The police will even respond to a situation if you only call, say nothing, and hang up.  I know this from personal experience because my baby brother used to like to call the cops.  Often we wouldn't know that he called until they knocked on the door.  They would always request to take a look around, even after we explained the situation to them.  It's part of their policy.

dscott.... I heard about

dscott....

I heard about this too this week-end, the reason for the call to the house in the first place...

The importance of your point is going right over some peoples heads...I totally agree.

The use of 9-11 is/has become absurd at times.

Hope his mommy is happy now.

Of course nobody here is cold-hearted, we all feel for the loss of life and the surviving members ...

We are at a point when enough is enough...and this country is on a real thin line in my opinion. 

The leftists are achieving their goals in more ways than one. 

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Well bt...Since you

Well bt...

Since you apparently are intimately familiar with the circumstances of the case, perhaps you can explain how dscott's point that "no one would have died had government hadn't made it its business to stick their nose where it doesn't belong" went right over my head?

Jer

P.S.  Note that dscott blames the government, the police and mommy--everybody except the scumbag cop killer.  Are you sure you want to defend dscott?

Look Jer... He is going to

Look Jer... He is going to fry as well he should...

The point dscott is making is the cops are being used as a nanny-state govt. for everything when a 9-11 call is made...you do remember the gal that called because she was a french fry short of her happy meal...

Yet you read, hear a lot of 9-11 calls that are made that are ignored, or they respond too late, or you have a simpleton that is answering the call in the first place... when it is, or could have been life or death.

A dog peeing in your home, and it is your own son's dog is not a reason to call 9-11....in my opinion.

 Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bt... I couldn't agree

bt...

I couldn't agree more about the abusive use of the 911 system.  [There was a news item recently about a McDonald's customer who--while still at the drive-thru window--called 911 to complain about his Happy Meal.]

That said, I find dscott's charge that the "government has no business meddling in the internal workings of a family, period" to be staggeringly naive.  What if one member of a family is beating the holy crap out of another member?

The very fact that little Ritchie was waiting for the police wearing a bullet-proof vest and armed with an AK-47 suggests there were family problems somewhat more serious than merely a dog peeing on the floor.

Jer

Well..it will all get

Well..it will all get sorted out in the trial...I suppose.

Nothing I'm going to banter about.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

What if one member of a

What if one member of a family is beating the holy crap out of another member?

Oh please enough of your strawman arguments, if that were the case then it would have been plainly stated in the article that was the case in Pittsburg.  Beating the crap out of someone is assault and battery, a crime in this country.  Having a disagreement with your family member is not, period.  Spare me your self righteousness, what's naive is to think the government should be involved in the internal workings of the family. 

The fact that little Ritchie had guns had nothing to do with anything until the police showed up.  Escalating an agrument is the wrong thing to do to defuse a situation.  Like I said little Ritchie is going to jail for the rest of his life, another life down the tubes.  What little Ritchie needed was help, a shrink, not 3 dead cops.  but to cut off another strawman argument by you, now that little Ritchie has committed the crime, he has to do the time.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Strawman?  Do you even

Strawman?  Do you even know what a strawman argument is?  In the meantime, you have seized upon a couple of phrases from a news article to construct a [highly implausible] scenario to fit your anti-government agenda.

By the way, it seems the cop-murdering little Ritchie had a record of violence,  having assaulted his girlfriend in front of his mom's residence, threatened to kill her, and later violated the protective order she was forced to obtain from the court.  But, by all means, continue to blame everyone except the killer.

Jer

Keep digging your hole

Keep digging your hole there Jer and at some point you'll be buried. Your spirited defense of a failed government policy while admirable is misguided.   Three cops are dead and a young man is going to jail for the rest of his life, if that doesn't say failure I don't know what does.  It's indeed a strange world where domestic government policy that results in a body count is counted as a success.  Literally thousands of people including police have died since Clinton's enactment of the DV laws, success shouldn't be defined in terms of the life that was lost but in the lives that were saved.  Even Judges have admitted that these laws have been the intigation of more violence than they prevent.  It's truly a messed up policy where success is actually defined as FAILURE.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

The only "hole" is the

The only "hole" is the massive one you have excavated through the heart of your argument.  If you want to launch an academic debate over the efficacy of federal domestic violence laws, take it to the forums.  I may even agree with you on certain pointrs.  However, it has absolutely nothing to do with the present case.  You're floundering. 

Jer

Jer, those who pass laws

Jer, those who pass laws without considering their consequences bear the responsiblity of those consequences.  The unalterable fact is had the police not been dispatched no one would have died, period.  

While you may be in favor of a meddling government sticking it's nose in everyone's business, you at the same time have to accept the fault when things go wrong with such a policy.  Three people are dead, and that started with a failed government policy.  So therefore not only was little Ritchie at fault for pulling the trigger, so was PC government for instigating.  Incitement to violence is against the Law for good reason and it doesn't matter who or what entity incited it. 

Here's the transcript of the call provided by the AP:

According to the two-minute recording of Saturday morning's call
played for a reporter, Margaret Poplawski sounded impatient as she
asked for police to come take her son out of the house. The Pittsburgh
Post-Gazette first reported details of the call.

"Are you moving or what?" she asks, apparently to her son.

"Does he have any weapons or anything?" the 911 operator asked.

"Yes," the mother said. After a long pause, she added, "They're all legal."

"OK, but he's not threatening you with anything?" the operator said.

Without answering, Margaret Poplawski mother said, "Look, I'm just waking up from a sleep. I want him gone."

"OK, we'll send 'em over, OK?" the operator said.

"Sounds good," the mother said, as the call ends.

In
another recording played for a reporter, a dispatcher used the
information from the 911 operator to put out a call to patrolmen. The
dispatcher informed Sciullo and Mayhle that it's a "mother-son
domestic." An officer asked for the house number and informed the
dispatcher, "Copy. We'll be getting out," before the call ends.  http://www.google.co...

So Jer, Mommy told little Ritchie to move out now, and then called the police to evict her son.  And you think government should be in the business of settling a family dispute to act as an eviction squad???  And you said there was a hole in my argument????  The call had nothing to do with any "crime of battery", no violence what so ever, but you think the police should be dispatched to take sides with mommy?  Have I mischaracterized your response????  

The only reason for her call was an eviction, is that the business of government???

Now what made the situation worse was the failure of the dispatcher to tell the police what was really going on:  The
dispatcher informed Sciullo and Mayhle that it's a "mother-son
domestic."

I.e. there was a fight.

Having been involved in landlord tenant relations as part of my job, the eviction of anyone (even a family member) is a CIVIL MATTER, which involves DUE PROCESS of the Courts.  

 

 

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

And the Oakland cop killer

And the Oakland cop killer was a Muslim.

"Oakland Mosque 26B said losing a member of the community is tragic no matter the circumstances…" http://www.sfgate.co...

"DumbAssity of Dope"

Yes, because a Christian has

Yes, because a Christian has never killed anyone, right?  Pointing out he was a Muslim is pointless, especially since he didn't proclaim any religious reason for his previous actions/anger. 

These are planned talking points

It looks obvious to me that the democratic talking points on the two shooters here must have been agreed upon during either the Stephie/Rahm morning conference call or the Media Splatters morning conference call, or both. Whenever you see such consistency in their message delivery, be suspicious. The liberal media is manipulating us. I expect the ACORN bus goons to be protesting against the 2nd Amendment first thing Monday morning. (On our dime too!)

The Pittsburgh killer was

The Pittsburgh killer was also expelled from his high school and received a dishonorable discharge from the Marines. The guy is also an anti-Semite, but I guess hating Joos is not out of the ordinary, only fearing the 2nd amendment and the Hopeful Changer is.

 

 

MSM greasing the skids

I'm waiting for what's to come.  This happens every few years.  Bills are written.  They die in committee... they die elsewhere in the system.

Semper vigilans folks...

Well....we knew this was

Well....we knew this was coming with the msm/leftist groups and pols with an agenda to take away the 2nd Amendment by hook or crook...they are trying to intertwine three different subjects in their web....

...illegal immigration and their poor plights, the economy-job losses..and of course those big bad things called guns in whatever caliber or form... that just jump off the table and go to places to start shooting all by themselves...

... ...and it has only just begun.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

So?

So? Do you have proof they weren't "passionate"?

Dano

         This guy was simply a nut case.