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One night after ABC's World News featured Diane Sawyer and Pierre Thomas fretting over the lack of interest by Congress in passing new gun laws in response to recent shooting sprees, Thomas appeared on World News Saturday and again treated as problematic the statistic that there are "more than 250 million legally registered guns in this country," and seemed to complain that Congress is not planning to enact more gun laws. After recounting several incidents of mass shootings in the past month, Thomas fretted: "Even with all that carnage, there's no major gun control legislation pending before Congress." And earlier on ABC's Good Morning America, co-anchor Bill Weir had also brought up the statistic that there are more than 250 million guns in America as he recounted mass murder statistics from various decades.
On World News Saturday, after viewers were updated on the Binghamton mass shooting and the murder of three police officers ambushed in Pittsburgh, anchor David Muir introduced Thomas's report by recounting the complaint by liberals that "guns are more easily available here in the U.S. than in other Western countries," but he seemed to set up the piece as if Thomas were about to question that conventional wisdom as Muir asked: "But is that playing a role?"
But instead of questioning the liberal assumptions favoring gun control, Thomas repeated his fretting from Friday night as he relayed the unlikely prospects for more gun laws being passed. After recounting several instances of recent mass shootings, which were followed by a soundbite of President Obama expressing his condolences, Thomas continued: "Since the Virginia Tech massacre, there have been at least 50 mass shootings where three or more people were killed. Total dead: more than 200. And with more than 250 million guns already in circulation, figuring out what to do about the gun violence is not an easy task."
Then came a soundbite of Northeastern University Professor James Fox contending that "unfortunately, there are plenty of guns out there for" people who are frustrated about losing their jobs "to acquire legally or illegally to get the kind of satisfaction that they seek."
The ABC correspondent continued: "David, even with all that carnage, there's no major gun control legislation pending before Congress."
After Muir asked if the Obama administration had brought up the possibility of enacting more gun control at all, Thomas responded: "Well, there's been some talk of taking another look at the assault weapons ban, which was allowed to expire, but it's fair to say that since the administration took office, no urgency on gun control."
Muir then plugged next Friday's 20/20 special on guns, which he will co-host with Diane Sawyer. Muir: "Next Friday, the result of a year-long ABC News investigation. I team up with Diane Sawyer, as we ask: How do you defend yourself in cases like these if an intruder bursts in? Our hidden cameras arranged by police, and we ask: After Columbine and Virginia Tech, were lessons learned? Were promises kept? That's next Friday on a special 20/20."
Earlier in the day, on the Saturday edition of Good Morning America, Weir had also brought up the statistic that there are 250 million guns legally in circulation in America as he portrayed the statistic as problematic. After displaying a graph showing that the number of mass murders committed per decade has risen, Muir continued: "Major upswing in the last 20 years. So far this decade, 28 mass murders. The common denominator in all of these, guns. More than 250 million legally registered guns in this country. No telling how many more there are illegally out there."
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Saturday, April 4, Good Morning America, followed by a complete transcript of the relevant report from the same day's World News Saturday:
#From Good Morning America:
BILL WEIR: This is the worst American mass murder since the Virginia Tech shootings two years ago this month, and if you put it in context, and look at this graph. The numbers are truly stunning. Since the 1930s, incidents of mass murder – defined as the killing of four or more people – have risen steadily decade by decade. Major upswing in the last 20 years. So far this decade, 28 mass murders. The common denominator in all of these, guns. More than 250 million legally registered guns in this country. No telling how many more there are illegally out there.
#From World News Saturday:
DAVID MUIR: With this gun violence in Binghamton and Pittsburgh, 44 people have now died in mass shootings in this country in just the past month. It's been said over and over again that guns are more easily available here in the U.S. than in other Western countries, but is that playing a role? Our senior justice correspondent Pierre Thomas tonight with that part of the story.
PIERRE THOMAS: Mass shootings are occurring with frightening frequency. On March 10, a gunman fired 200 rounds, killing 10 in a Sampson, Alabama, shooting spree. March 21, about a week later, four California police officers shot to death. Eight days later, March 29, a gunman executes eight people at a nursing home in cold blood. Then, the very same day, six dead after a man fatally shoots five family members before killing himself. Today Pittsburgh, yesterday Binghamton.
BARACK OBAMA: I am heartbroken for the families who survived this tragedy, and it just underscores the degree to which, in each of our countries, we have to guard against the kind of senseless violence that the tragedy represents.
THOMAS: Since the Virginia Tech massacre, there have been at least 50 mass shootings where three or more people were killed. Total dead: more than 200. And with more than 250 million guns already in circulation, figuring out what to do about the gun violence is not an easy task.
PROFESSOR JAMES FOX, NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY: We have a downturned economy, we have people losing jobs, an eclipse of community, people are angry, they want vengeance. And that, unfortunately, there are plenty of guns out there for them to acquire legally or illegally to get the kind of satisfaction that they seek.
THOMAS: David, even with all that carnage, there's no major gun control legislation pending before Congress.
MUIR: Pierre, we did hear the President talk as a candidate about gun control. Have we heard anything from the administration now that he's President?
THOMAS: Well, there's been some talk of taking another look at the assault weapons ban, which was allowed to expire, but it's fair to say that since the administration took office, no urgency on gun control.
MUIR: All right, Pierre Thomas from the news room of our affiliate in Lynchburg, Virginia., tonight. Pierre, thank you. And we wanted to note that next Friday, the result of a year-long ABC News investigation. I team up with Diane Sawyer, as we ask: How do you defend yourself in cases like these if an intruder bursts in? Our hidden cameras arranged by police, and we ask: After Columbine and Virginia Tech, were lessons learned? Were promises kept? That's next Friday on a special 20/20.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




DAVID MUIR: With this gun violence in Binghamton and Pittsburgh, 44 people have now died in mass shootings in this country in just the past month. It's been said over and over again that guns are more easily available here in the U.S. than in other Western countries, but is that playing a role? Our senior justice correspondent Pierre Thomas tonight with that part of the story.














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I heard the question this
April 5, 2009 - 12:52 ET by ricklailI heard the question this morning and I think it is good question for the gun grabbers, "if the Jews in Eastern Europe would have been armed would there have been a Holocaust?" Fair question.
Semper suprene nitens
But perhaps they should
April 5, 2009 - 12:54 ET by MidAmericaBut perhaps they should discuss the fact it is the instant national (or even international) notoriety, provided by the media, that motivates many of these shooters.
This jsut struck
April 5, 2009 - 13:02 ET by ricklailThis jsut struck me:
THOMAS: David, even with all that carnage, there's no major gun control legislation pending before Congress.
There don't need to be any bills. Chairman Mao-bama can do a lot of damage with an executive order. It would have to go through the courts to be struck down. A lot could happen before the court got around to a ruling.
Semper suprene nitens
Democrats, raise taxes, fund
April 5, 2009 - 13:02 ET by 10ksnookerDemocrats, raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. Up to you to figure out why gun control is so high on their list.
The reason Gun Control is
April 5, 2009 - 13:54 ET by SpaceManSpiffThe reason Gun Control is such a big issue with Socialists, is FEAR. by removing the ability to defend yourself, you are completely at the mercy of the State. Any and all acts of violence force you to be dependent on an official response. If you live in a bad neighborhood, you're at the mercy of the response time of the police. If you have someone harassing your family, you're on your own. If you are a woman, you're really in danger.
When you get people this hooked on fear, you can use that fear to push more and more restrictive and intrusive laws under the premise of 'public safety'. Since you can't defend yourself, you'll have no alternative.
That's why disarming the populace is so important to Socialists.
Did Orwell predict the future? Or are the enemies of freedom following Orwell's example?
Stalin
April 5, 2009 - 14:32 ET by nolotrippenAs Joseph Stalin said, “We don’t let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?”
That quote...
April 6, 2009 - 07:24 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. could be attributed to damn near any liberal today.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
What if.......
April 5, 2009 - 13:15 ET by pantrymana law was passed that everyone HAD to carry a concealed weapon and had to qualify with it every six months.
How many of these mass murders would even want to go on a shooting spree with who knows how many people shooting back at them???
Kinda like the brilliant thief who decided to rob a bank at noon time with the lobby loaded with ATF officers cashing their checks...
If Diane Sawyer and Pierre Thomas want to be sitting ducks...
April 5, 2009 - 13:17 ET by R D Helm...for armed criminals or an armed government, let them move to Europe.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Preferably England, where
April 5, 2009 - 16:17 ET by motherbeltPreferably England, where they could be arrested for using any kind of weapon to defend themselves.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
This is what happens
April 5, 2009 - 14:00 ET by ConservativeRexThis is what happens everytime a society lets itself get soft and complacent. To people like these, it's always someone else who has to protect them, it's always someone else who has to defend them and fight their wars for them.
This is nothing new. Even the Carthegenians did the same, letting mercenaries fight their battles. And they eventually faded away, never to be heard from again. And they were around prior to that more than two hundred odd years.
There are a lot of neat bumperstickers out there with sayings I like, but bottom line, we have to protect ourselves.
We can not, we must not, allow any entity to take that right away from us. They have 17K gun laws on the books, enforce them before writing new ones.
They will make a new criminal (to them) class. I can live with that, literally.
The media is setting up a
April 5, 2009 - 14:01 ET by alamojbThe media is setting up a big push for gun control. They will ignore that Mexico is a good example of what happens when you have tight gun laws- only the criminals are armed. Then Obama can say, " We need to do this..."
Gun Banners Are Rare And Wrong
April 5, 2009 - 14:14 ET by rammingspeed75% of Americans support the Second Amendment. And that's not blind support; all of the arguments for and against gun control have been relayed to the people, and people have made up their own minds.
Case closed.
These idiots "lament" 250
April 5, 2009 - 14:24 ET by EugeniaThese idiots "lament" 250 million guns but don't blink when considering 50 million slaughtered at the hands of abortionists.
not sure
April 5, 2009 - 14:30 ET by katainkentwhat makes me more angry. The stupidity of the argument or the source.
Here's what I tell folks
April 5, 2009 - 14:43 ET by TheBigBHere's what I tell folks who tell me that they have "problems with guns":
You know, I have a problem with guns, too. I own a .22-250 Remington that I use to hunt deer. I know it's a little small, but I like the accuracy challenge I'm presented. Anyway, I use 55 grain varmint rounds because they have a 4100 fps muzzle velocity. I have been considering switching to a 64 grain big game round, but I don't know if I want to give up the drop in velocity to 3600 fps and go through the hassle of having to sight in my rifle again. What do you think?
The discussions usually end pretty quick after that.
"According to Metro Communications dispatch staff, there is believed to be a person trapped. At this time, we don't know if they are trapped in the car or in the train."
BigB,
April 5, 2009 - 14:58 ET by R D HelmLOL, that's pretty good.
My way to quickly end a gun control argument with a gun-hater is, once I get them to admit that private citizens should not be allowed to own firearms anf that this should be enforced by the government, I then say, "Fine. When the police come knocking and tell you they are there to search your domicile for guns and amunition, what are you going to say to them?"
Works every time. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Very nice!
April 5, 2009 - 16:12 ET by TheBigBDave, I think I might just steal that one. I also use the home invasion scenario. I have been told once that "I can stay away from them until the cops get there". I was laughing too hard to respond to that comment coherently. When I was told that if I didn't defend myself correctly, I could face prosecution, I simply told them, "I would much rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Again, the discussion ended pretty quickly.
"According to Metro Communications dispatch staff, there is believed to be a person trapped. At this time, we don't know if they are trapped in the car or in the train."
I'm surprised they don't
April 5, 2009 - 16:21 ET by motherbeltI'm surprised they don't say "I would let them in and tell them to search away."
Because people like this really believe that if you don't own any guns, you shouldn't have a problem with the police checking to be sure.
BTW Law & Order has it right: the Police, who investigate [not prevent] the crimes, and the District Attorneys....
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
Don't Forget
April 6, 2009 - 13:32 ET by JustAlDon't forget to take twist rate into account. If your shooting less than about a 1 in 7 you may not be able to stabilize the 64 grain as well as the 55 in a shorter barrel. If it's a longer barrel you probably will be fine.
I usually just point out that I do not play golf. Therefore, it is none of my business which clubs golfers use, although I don't see why anyone "needs" more than one. Guns and golf clubs are both designed to send a projectile down range. The main difference is that one is more effective at providing self defense, food, and a free country than the other one is.
I then point out that they should post signs in their car and front lawn stating that they are "Proud to be Gun Free," and then get back to me in a few weeks on how safe they feel.
America is made possible by country boys with rifles, not country club boys with golf clubs.
250 million is changing fast
April 5, 2009 - 16:09 ET by slickwillie2001In many gun stores across America, there is a framed picture of the Doofus-in-Chief labeled "employee of the year". The 250,000,000 figure is climbing fast, and gun stores are selling as much ammo in a day as they were in a month. By the time his four years are up, how many guns will he be responsible for? Years from now when another gun crime is committed, will the weapon used be blamed on the Bamster Surge? What irony.
It is coming
April 5, 2009 - 16:10 ET by Joe CamelFor those who don't believe it is coming, think again. The fact that the constitution can be usurped by some clown in a robe who just happens to disagree with what it says is mind boggling. I have found that when discussing firearms with an anti gunner, there is no logic that will work with them, as they don't deal with logic, just emotions. Unfortunately, those emotions defy one's ability to reason something out. Most other countries have seen what happens when they go off half cocked (pun intended) by passing laws that make them feel better, but actually miss the intended target. But, they gain all the power, and the people's ability to strike back is not something they lose sleep over; as that venue no longer exists. Kind of like over 2.5 million cameras in the UK, overseeing ever move one makes in society. Well, when you have no rights, and no way to state your case...
Secondly, I hear the same old tired response to the issue of when they come for my guns..I will do this or that. I for one know very few people who would do anything other than hand them over, and then just be left alone. All it takes is about 50 people being shot in their own homes by the police and governement who were just doing "their" job, and end of the discussion. Think that won't happen, read the paper. There have been literally hundreds killed by these tactics when doing drug searches, but ended up in the wrong house, and murdered the occupant. It gets written off as bad luck. They go on, the victim goes to the grave.
In the end, we are all just waiting for the day to come, and it will. Now, probably sooner than later. Will the last true American turn the lights out when it happens please..would not want to pollute the environment you know.
Givem ammo
April 5, 2009 - 16:22 ET by ACLUSUX"…the consensus is that no more than
five to ten people in a hundred who die by gunfire
in Los Angeles are any loss to society. These people
fight small wars amongst themselves. It would seem
a valid social service to keep them well-supplied with
ammunition."
Cooper's Corner,
The canceled subscription
April 5, 2009 - 16:26 ET by RR GOPThe canceled subscription is mightier than the semi-automatic assault weapon.
So are changing the channels and posting on sites like this.
That's what's really pissing them off.
I've long maintained that the Feds rounding up guns is unnecessary as all they have to do is squeeze our collective balls via our economic, energy and other various social co-dependencies with the IRS acting as de facto Federal Marshals.
When we were a nation of independent farmers, we had a lot more power.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Sorry
April 5, 2009 - 19:46 ET by dmntd1I don't feel like I'm doing my part. There are 250 MILLION firearms out there, and I only own five! I do have my own mini-stockpile of ammo, but I have to routinely re-qualify, so that's a necessity.
The last to firearms I bought, the gun-store owners informed me that Pres Obama has done more for gun sales since elected than any other president in their entire term. The one owner has sold 60 AR-15's this year ALONE. If you want one, send me a message.... he sold one to a guy in Hawaii last month *grin*
WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,
45,000 people died on the
April 5, 2009 - 21:01 ET by dscott45,000 people died on the highways last year and the common denominator was the car/SUV/truck/motorcycle, I must lament there are 250 million cars on the road, we must ban them all to stop the senseless slaughter.
Liberal don't have any justifications for what they advocate, just rationalizations with false premises.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Liberal don't have any
April 5, 2009 - 21:21 ET by bigtimerLiberal don't have any justifications for what they advocate, just rationalizations with false premises.
Right you are dscott...
...agenda...agenda...agenda.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I'm not for all out gun
April 5, 2009 - 21:52 ET by balboaI'm not for all out gun bans, but I don't think comparing cars and guns works.
Of course not, bal
April 5, 2009 - 22:02 ET by BlondePlease enlighten us with your next liberal talking point.
After all, what would this day be without a trite little balism?
I hope he fails, too.
>smooch<
April 5, 2009 - 22:07 ET by balboa>smooch<
That's the best you've got?
April 5, 2009 - 22:22 ET by BlondeI hope he fails, too.
C'mon, Blonde. You're not
April 5, 2009 - 22:25 ET by balboaC'mon, Blonde. You're not really interested in anything I would write, so why should I bother?
I cited the example to
April 6, 2009 - 10:12 ET by dscottI cited the example to underline the stupidity of their logical based solution, banning guns would eliminate death.
Here's another one, more kids drown in swimming pools every year than are killed by guns, therefore the only responsible thing to do is ban swimming pools according to liberal logic.
Banning something that most people use responsibly with few negative consequences is never the answer as it wrongly penalizes those who act responsibly when they should be penalizing those who act irresponsibly. This is like the stupidity of the school's zero tolerance policy on drugs, a kid gets expelled for taking an asprin. Stupid is as stupid does...
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
For the interest of more
April 6, 2009 - 12:43 ET by dscottFor the interest of more recent info. apparently the death toll on the US highways is down to 37,313 according to the AP. It doesn't change my point whether it's cars or guns, people are the decision makers, you penalize the decision maker for the results of their specific bad decisions, you don't penalize the overwhelming majority of those who make good decisions.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Binghamton, a human tragedy ignored
April 5, 2009 - 22:05 ET by iveseenitallAs I watched the line of politicians at the Binghamton massacre, I commented to my wife that most of their talk was implying the need for gun control. I said the cries for it were going to rise again. But, moreover, it made me sick to see these clowns politicizing this tragedy. It seems to me they've lost their souls, as have so many citizens of this once-great nation. How sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
isia.... Same here in
April 5, 2009 - 22:08 ET by bigtimerisia....
Same here in this home...we knew where this would head, fits perfectly for the left...who want complete total control/power of the citizens...which I also have posted not many hours after this happened...and sure enough...
Here come the soulless enemies within...doing their job well.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
More MSM control needed.
April 6, 2009 - 07:17 ET by Red JeepIn the future the names of dead mass murderers should be as dead as they are. What need is there to know the name and see pictures of the perpetrator if he dead?
I suggest the MSM show a little Control and make mass murderer’s names dead in the press. This might possibly deter some would be mass murderers from killing for publicity for themselves or their cause.
How much different would the Binghamton coverage had been if the MSM announced, "The murderer killed himself and since he is dead and not on the loose we will not ID him or show his picture. We will not make the murderer better known than his victims. We can tell you he was an oriental male of Vietnamese origins…"
Maybe some MSM control is needed.
Once again, it's left up to
April 6, 2009 - 07:51 ET by ConservativeRexOnce again, it's left up to me to point how liberals have total disregard for the law of unintended consequences.
They want to add to the already 17K gun laws on the books with just one more that his time they are sure would cure this "problem".
Folks, the solution is rather simple. I suggest that all Americans who are anti-gun, or in otherwords, do not want other people to have something they themselves do not want.
Starting tomorrow, put a 2'X2' sign in their front yard. It can be red/white and blue for all I care, but the statement on it should read.."This is a gun free home, we do not like guns, they do not belong in private citizens hands or homes".
They can also make small diamond shaped signs for their vehicles, like the "baby on board" signs, except these would read "no guns on board".
I am pretty sure their neighbors would be pretty happy. I know I would.
Stealing My Ideas
April 6, 2009 - 08:06 ET by Sergeant ROCKFor years and years I've opined to friends and enemies alike, that if you are that passionate about gun-control and are convinced that this is the correct path, then you should show your support by placing a sign in your front yard (or on your apartment door) stating:
Doing My Part for Gun-Control
This is a Gun-Free Home!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
H.R. 45
April 6, 2009 - 09:50 ET by Evinrude55So they say that there are no new gun laws coming before Congress? Hasn't anyone heard of H.R. 45? It has been tried and failed before, but they are trying again, looking to make it harder to own a "qualifying" firearm, which is pretty much any gun with a clip, regardless of caliber. If passed, you would need a permit to own such guns, with your name, address, photo and finger print and it would have to be renewed every 5 years. If you change addresses, you only have a certain amount of time to contact the AG and update it, otherwise you could be criminally liable. Also, States are working on legislation calling for laser encoded ammunition so police can trace it back to the person who purchased it. But with this ammunition, you would have to turn over any non-encoded ammo that you have, as it would be illegal to own. Those of us who reload ammunition would be unable to do so and the reloading industry would be out of business, eliminating even more jobs and damaging our economy even further.
If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them.