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On Wednesday’s Countdown show, the duo of MSNBC host Keith Olbermann and new CNBC contributor Howard Dean delivered a gem of both double standard and apparent amnesia as both generalized about the inappropriateness of calling any President a "fascist." As Dean was interviewed by Olbermann, who famously called President Bush a "fascist" in a "Special Comment" rant last year which was even picked up by Iranian television, the former DNC chairman bluntly stated his view that even President Bush did not deserve to be called by such a name.
And just as Olbermann seemed to be trying to defend his own history of applying the "fascist" label to Bush, which he did not directly acknowledge, even he stopped short of proclaiming outright that such name-calling could sometimes be rational, as he contended that a person doing so "may be crazy" and "may be wrong." Olbermann: "If you have a case to call somebody a ‘fascist,’ lay it out. Define your terms and say where you, I mean, you may be crazy and you may be wrong, but at least put some meat on the bones."
Dean's response: "Even in the darkest days of the Bush-Cheney administration, I don't think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist."
The two were responding to House Minority Whip Eric Cantor’s failure to disagree with a C-SPAN caller who recently expressed fear that the government is moving toward becoming "fascist," which the MSNBC show notably misspelled as "facist" on-screen during the Countdown show’s tease. Dean lectured Cantor: "The right thing to have said, which is what I would have said if somebody had called President Bush really dreadful names like that, I would have said, ‘Look, we disagree with President Bush strongly ... but he is the President, and we're going to be respectful of him.’"
Olbermann soon responded: "Or if you have a case to call somebody a ‘fascist,’ lay it out. Define your terms and say where you, I mean, you may be crazy and you may be wrong, but at least put some meat on the bones. Just don't throw the word out, right?"
For the fourth time in the interview, Dean expressed his disapproval of using the "fascist" label: "Well, look, I mean, even in the darkest days of the Bush-Cheney administration, I don't think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist."
But in a February 14, 2008, "Special Comment," addressing President Bush, Olbermann charged: "If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big business, come out and say it! There is a dictionary definition, one word that describes that toxic blend. You're a fascist! Get them to print you a T-shirt with fascist on it! What else is this but fascism?"
Below is a transcript of relevant portions of the Wednesday, March 25, Countdown show on MSNBC:
Update 14:35 | Stephen Gutowski. Olbermann Watch has put together an awesome video on Olbermann's hypocrisy:KEITH OLBERMANN, IN OPENING TEASER: Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? How far will the GOP go to sink the recovery in hopes of damaging the President? The caller to C-SPAN says we’re heading into "fascism," House Whip Cantor responds:
ERIC CANTOR, HOUSE MINORITY WHIP: I think what the public is doing, they’re finally waking up and everybody’s realizing that checks and balances are part of the system.
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OLBERMANN: During an appearance on C-SPAN, a caller first thanking the House Republican Whip and Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, – R, Mars – for doing such a great job before expounding on the, quote, "insanity of the Kool-aid drinkers" who, quote, "seem to think that there is a magical tree of money in Washington." The caller then talked about what’s really scaring her, the "fascism" that is one-party control of our government.
AUDIO OF FEMALE C-SPAN CALLER: But what really is scaring the rest of us, the other half of us, is the fascism – I mean the true fascism – that is happening in this country today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE C-SPAN HOST: What do you mean by that, caller?
FEMALE CALLER: The belligerent takeover of a one-party system.
CANTOR, AFTER EDIT: Now, as far as the one-party government in here, I think what the public is doing, they’re finally waking up and everybody’s realizing that checks and balances are part of the system, and divided government is something that is beneficial to a balanced debate and something that can produce a better outcome, which is exactly why Republicans in the House have said, "Look, we want to work with our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. We want to try and bring this President back into the mainstream."
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OLBERMANN: For more on this, let’s turn to Governor Howard Dean, of course most recently chairman, former chairman for the Democratic National Committee, now a contributor to CNBC. Thank you for your time, Governor, and welcome back to TV.
HOWARD DEAN, CNBC CONTRIBUTOR/FORMER DNC CHAIRMAN: Keith, thanks for having me on.
OLBERMANN: The Republicans slapped anybody who questioned President Bush with – if not using the word "treason," essentially the elements that make up treason – for the better part of his administration. And yet, we’re now seeing this, I don’t know, the "sky-is-falling" reaction to everything that President Obama does. Is there something of a double standard here? Or am I being a little oversensitive.
HOWARD DEAN: Well, I think the Republicans have a huge problem. They’re trying to re-orient themselves after three consecutive elections that were pretty disastrous for them – two consecutive elections that were pretty disastrous for them – and they’re having a huge internal battle, and you’re seeing the leadership continue to play to the hard right because that is their base. The trouble is, the hard right is not nearly enough to win an election, so every time they do that, as Jonathan [Alter] pointed out, the people in the middle, moderates, even moderate Republicans, are sort of going "What? What are these people talking about?" And that helps Obama. So, you know, the Republicans are gonna have a long way to go here if they, if this is their first tack. They’ve got to figure out how to reach the moderate middle, and you don’t do it by calling people "fascists" and all this other kind of business.
OLBERMANN: So is Jon Alter right? Every time something like this happens, you and the other leaders of the Democratic party sit back and try to stifle a loud, braying laugh?
DEAN: Well, I don’t laugh at the Republicans because they were pretty effective in winning elections for a long time, but I just scratch my head and think you know, what are they – obviously, polling does not tell you to call the President of the United States a fascist, so they must be doing something very peculiar in there at the RNC, and I’m not sure what it is, but I think their problem is that they’re just in disarray. The other thing is they don’t dare offer their own solutions, their own budget, because they know these are very tough times and no matter what you do, it’s not going to be good medicine to swallow. So they criticize President Obama, but they have nothing to say for themselves. And until they do, they really have no message, and that’s a big problem, and they’ve got to fight through this in order to get back to being a competitive party again, and right now, they’re not.
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OLBERMANN: Instead of – when that call took place on C-SPAN today with the Minority Whip, Mr. Cantor, listening as this caller attempted to demonize President Obama and his agenda, and throw every "ism" she could think of – except Nazism I suppose – the Congressman, certainly by proxy, embraced her attack-
DEAN: That’s the problem that they have. It’s the same as Michael Steele apologizing to Rush Limbaugh. If you are willing to – look – the right thing to have said, which is what I would have said if somebody had called President Bush really dreadful names like that, I would have said, "Look, we disagree with President Bush strongly, and he’s wrong about the war in Iraq, for example, or the huge deficits that he ran up, but he is the President, and we’re going to be respectful of him." And that, you know, Eric Cantor would have grown dramatically in his view or his eyes, simply by saying that. You don’t have to insult your base, but when your base goes too far, you need to remind people that that is not where you stand.
OLBERMANN: Or if you have a case to call somebody a "fascist," lay it out. Define your terms and say where you, I mean, you may be crazy and you may be wrong, but at least put some meat on the bones. Just don’t throw the word out, right?
DEAN: Well, look, I mean, even in the darkest days of the Bush-Cheney administration, I don’t think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist. Nor do I, I think it’s patently ridiculous to call President Obama a fascist, and I, you know, ordinary people get mad, and they use that kind of language, and okay, fine, they’re not in politics. But if you are in-
OLBERMANN: Mm-hmm.
DEAN: -politics and you aspire to be the leader of your party, you can’t let that kind of stuff pass because it diminishes you and it diminishes the Republican party when you don’t correct it.
OLBERMANN: Howard Dean, former head of the DNC, former governor of Vermont, and now a contributor to CNBC. Congratulations on that, sir, thanks for you time.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.





















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One could assume...
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 00:25 ET by Texndoc...that even Howard Dean doesn't watch the show enough to know what Olbermann's saying or has said.
Nice.
"Define your terms"?
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 00:30 ET by Trix RabbitVery well, I will lay it out. Queef Überdork is a crypto-fascist pantywaist who wallows in his own filth, stupidity, and cognitive dissonance.
That creep doesn't even deserve the publicity - good, bad, or indifferent - he gets here on NB.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Oh...lol...... The
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 00:31 ET by bigtimerOh...lol...
... The Scream Machine Dean is el correcto...too bad Cantor didn't take a clue today as I heard the show myself, then again Cantor isn't my cup of tea, and this is a good example...
....by the same token we all that are political know very well that Dean is protecting what is already coming up about the categories politically for the far leftist O and his Team, and what they being slated in already...as they should.
I just call them big time ENEMIES to cut to the chase...and they are going to destroy this country with their long awaited tactics...if people don't wake up.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
§ OMG!! Bt! NAZI?? Words??
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 00:49 ET by TheSterWords...
Just Words...
Even Dean will not use those words...
...but Olby will!!!
WOW!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Far be it from us to insult a president
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 00:45 ET by KC MulvilleHaving bashed and undermined Bush for the last eight years, they're now trying desperately to whitewash their own campaign of name-calling and smears.
Immanuel Kant believed that it's the essense of immorality to act in a way that applies to you but not others. As these guys have reaped the benefit of years of bashing the president, I argue that it's now immoral for them to oppose president bashing. If they had any morality in them at all, they should be welcoming attacks on Obama to the same degree they engaged in it themselves.
I'm sure the MRC could provide examples of how they indulged in pure bashing. Could be fun.
Olbermann: "If you have a
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:46 ET by motherbeltOlbermann: "If you have a case to call somebody a ‘fascist,’ lay it
out. Define your terms and say where you, I mean, you may be crazy and
you may be wrong, but at least put some meat on the bones."
To which Cantor replied:
"If you believe in the seamless mutuality of government and big
business, come out and say it! There is a dictionary definition, one
word that describes that toxic blend. You're a fascist! Get them to
print you a T-shirt with fascist on it! What else is this but fascism?" (emphasis added)
Oh, wait!! That was Olbermann about President Bush!!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Dumb and Dumber?
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:25 ET by karris56Howard Dean says" the right thing to have said, which is what I would have said if somebody had called President Bush really dreadful names like that" " he is the President, and we’re going to be respectful of him." Lets see, Pelosi called him" incompetent",Reed called him a "loser",Gore called him a "traiter",and all called him a "Liar".I did not hear a peep from Howie.But the most ironic thing from this story is, he tells this to the very guy that called Bush a "fascist"and of course lets not forget "shut the hell up".LIBS.
Again another
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 02:25 ET by ConservativeRexAgain another smokescreen. I believe it is up to the left to prove Obama is not a fascist. He certainly has the pedigree for a fascist, feral though he may be. And remember, fascist are, and have always been, a product of the left.
His political ancestors created fascism in this country. Woodrow Willson (D), Franklin Roosevelt (D). Obama wants to embrace FDR, I say go ahead, but you embrace ALL of FDR. And when you do that Obama, you embrace Wilsonian politics. Wilson, truly the very first dictator in the history of the United States. And the case for Obama being a fascist is made even easier by the fact that he has created a private personal army, just like a well known Italian Fascist.
Obama can call an oak tree a pine tree, but it doesn't make it so. He is, and will remain, a fascist.
Duh
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 03:40 ET by bknownstOlbermann's remarks about the term fascist seem eerily similar to Comrade O's thanking himself for throwing the St. Patrick's Day party at the White House. The fool gave his description of a facist in comments made in the past that exactly describe what O has done since taking office. How can he not see that? Is there any brain activity going on there?
The Demockacrats/Dementocrats/crybabies/numbnuts that . . .
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 06:05 ET by CKA in Red State USA. . .Dean and Olbermann represent are intellectually, emotionally and morally bankrupt.
Had they thinner skin or emptier minds, they would be literally transparent and simultaneously float.
this is y NB is needed
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 07:44 ET by Paul GI'm kinda big brother to a 16yo, and like Mark Levin says, I talk to him, but I've scared him. I've told him,showed him, and now he's scared. I saw his facebook page and it's not funny. Even tho WE KNOW whats going on...I don't know if it's worth 'scaring' my 16yo. I wouldn't want to be a teenager now....hell,...I don't wanna be 50 now. call it facist, call it socialist, this isn't the Country that I knew.
Where the Watergate Burglars Sent at Dean's Behest?
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 07:48 ET by allanfAm I the only one to think John Dean smarmy and unctuous?
Gordon Liddy's sworn testimony states: "this was a John Dean op". Liddy went on to elaborate that the Watergate burglars were seeking photographs linking Dean's wife Maureen Binder (now Dean) to a call girl operation.
"Am I the only one to
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 08:31 ET by celator"Am I the only one to think John Dean smarmy and unctuous?"
No, you are not. I have long believed Dean is the actual Deep Throat in the Watergate affair.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property are safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
weak content as susual
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 07:54 ET by RagamuffinAnd you blew the title, it should read:
Olbermann & Dean: ‘Crazy’ to Call President OBAMA ‘Fascist,’ But Olbermann Called Bush ‘Fascist’, and lord knows he was
But you won't fix it.
Poor little troll
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 08:43 ET by contraryNoone has replied to your highly intellectual comment
*sniff*
"No I have the facts"
--The resident Joe Friday
Apparently, you are confused as to what a fascist actually is.
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 09:21 ET by R D HelmThen again, you couldn't define the term correctly if your life depended on it. In fact, all you are doing is regurgitating what your fellow, equally ignorant Kosbots said, who haven't a clue as to what an actuall fascist is, either.
Funny, I don't recall George W. Bush calling for the government to tell private companies what they can or cannot pay their employees, as Barack Hussein Obama is currently doing.
Yet, you call George W. Bush a fascist.
You are an uneducated ingoranus.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
I am NOT confused what a fascist is
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 14:23 ET by RagamuffinYou need to learn what a strawman argument is, which this post clearly is.
One version of a strawman is where you attack something the person did not say.
So what really happened was:
Olbermann & Dean: 'Crazy' to Call President OBAMA 'Fascist'
And you change it to:
Olbermann & Dean: 'Crazy' to Call Any President 'Fascist,' But Olbermann Called Bush 'Fascist'
And pretend you made some meaningful point. This can also be called "lying."
Which is welcome around these parts, as long as you do it to promote the myth of the "liberal press."
RD -- unfortunately, the
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 15:02 ET by Jack BauerRD -- unfortunately, the President of the United States is, apparently, an educated ignoranus!
Though I would like to know how he got into Columbia and Harvard!
How?
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 19:12 ET by slickwillie2001The Doofus got into Columbia and Harvard the same way he got everything in his life, through affirmative action.
Jack,
Mon, 03/30/2009 - 21:37 ET by R D Helm"...an educated ignoranus!"
LOL-Those are the worst kind.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
thanks!
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 09:52 ET by SickofLibsWell, it HAS been "unsusually" slow around here last week or so.
Absolutely hilarious that
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 08:25 ET by HockeyKidAbsolutely hilarious that Bathtub Boy doesn't even know the definition of fascist. He rants about defining terms and using them acurately, then immediately misapplies the term "fascist" to President Bush.
A fascist is one who supports authoritarian/totalitarian governance, emphasizing suppression of opposition. Examples: federal takeover of AIG, the Treasury Department seeking power to "acquire" and control private corporations whether or not they've received fedearl bailout money, Congress writing bills to tax specific individuals, the president instructing Americans to "not listen to Limbaugh", CNN feeling it necessary to apologize for "pointed questions" asked at a press conference, and support for the "Fairness Doctrine" --designed to suppress views opposing the current administration.
As Olbermann supports these things, and they are Uhbama's policies, one can only say that both Uhbama and Olbermann are fascists, by defninition.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Here, Here!
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 08:53 ET by cvgbuckeyeHere, here; HockeyKid: Well said!
there's an excellent clip at
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 09:46 ET by SickofLibsthere's an excellent clip at olbermannwatch.com
The Despicable Orange One repeatedly calling Bush a fascist interspersed with the Dean spot.
It's so beyond hypocrisy there's really no word for it.
HRGRAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:04 ET by Lord ErondRemember that Deanie boy? You big steaming pile of Michael Moore. "And we're going to take California, then Nevada and Texas and we're going to go here.....HRAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"
What an obsolete d-bag.
And Bathtub boy? He's interviewing a D-bag. What does that tell you?
"To sin by silence when we should protest, makes cowards of men" -Ella Wheeler Wilcox
la o'derman's off d'med's
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:20 ET by foolnomorehoo-nooo,O'd'zz still trying keep them ratings going at all cost,?? what rock has Dean been under,he should crawl back.
Dean and KO the JO
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:38 ET by east tennessee johnIt's pretty preposterous when Dean looks the most moderate of any conversation. Is KOthe JO "oversensitive". Sure. All us bad Republicans did was call anyone who questioned Bush treasonist. Well KOthe JO, you were still able to say it, weren't you, without threats of being taken off the air, you pompous assh**e. By your read definition, you moron, what would you call the apparently seamless mutuality of government and big business being put forth by Comrade O, shitforbrains?
I am a student of history...
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 13:17 ET by jawebster1and I know Fascism. Fascism is no friend of mine and Obama is a Fascist. Fascism is a word that means government takeover of our lives with that government under the control of an all powerful autocrat. If that doesn't explain what's going on now then my name isn't Jim Webster. America, wake up! We are headed down a very dangerous path.
Amen. Been saying this since April '08.
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 14:25 ET by farstar99The guy's a Nazi and now he has his own army, thanks to the Quisling Republicans who rolled over on GIVE.
As for Reichminister of Disinformation Olbermann, I guess they didn't teach vocabulary at Cownell?