On Monday’s Special Report with Bret Baier on FNC, during the Fox All Stars panel discussion, liberal FNC analyst Kirsten Powers, also a columnist for the New York Post, characterized Barack Obama's recent decision to allow federal funding of embryonic stem cell research as merely a political move designed to please members of his base who blame President Bush for the plight of those who suffer from paralysis or Alzheimer’s, as she also brought up the progress made in stem cell research using adult stem cells. Powers: "He also talks about, you know, putting science before politics, whereas this actually seems to be a very political decision from where I'm sitting. It's something that the base is very excited about."
After noting the advances made in non-embryo destroying adult stem cell research, she continued: "So this is, really, sort of, to me, a political move to satisfy people who really wanted this to happen and blame George Bush, essentially, for people who are paralyzed or suffering from Alzheimer's."
After anchor Bret Baier opened the discussion, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, who expressed general support for research on those human embryos that would otherwise be discarded by fertility clinics, took Obama to task for leaving open the possibility that human embryos could be cloned or even created specifically for the purpose of being destroyed during research. As he informed viewers that he had declined an invitation from President Obama to join him at the signing ceremony, Krauthammer related:
I declined for three reasons. One is the President has left open the cloning of human embryos in order to destroy them in experiments. Secondly, he leaves open the creation of human embryos entirely for the purpose of research and experimentation. And thirdly, he had a memorandum which he signed in which he talks about restoring the scientific integrity in government decisions, which was an outrageous attack on Bush. I disagreed with where Bush ended up drawing the line on permissible research, but he gave in August of 2001 the single most morally serious presidential speech on medical ethics ever given, and Obama did not, even though I agree on where he, I agree more on where he ended up.
Powers then voiced her own criticism of Obama:
He also talks about, you know, putting science before politics, whereas this actually seems to be a very political decision from where I'm sitting. It's something that the base is very excited about. And I think that the reality is, is the debate has moved, science has moved a lot further than the debate, and we now know more than we knew when it started. For example, adult stem cells, we can do a lot more with them than we could when this debate started. There's a lot of research being done with the placenta. So this is, really, sort of, to me, a political move to satisfy people who really wanted this to happen, and blame George Bush, essentially, for people who are paralyzed or suffering from Alzheimer's.
Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard also brought up the advances that have been made in adult stem cell research: "The great progress that's been made in recent years has been in non-embryonic stem cell research, and it hasn't been because of the inability to get embryonic stem cells. It's just been that's been a more fruitful area where scientists have gone."
Below is a complete transcript of the discussion from the Monday, March 9, Special Report with Bret Baier on FNC:
BARACK OBAMA: In recent years, when it comes to stem cell research, rather than furthering discovery, our government has forced what I believe is a false choice between sound science and moral values.SENATOR JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): The President would be wiser to pursue a policy to look into more and invest more in adult stem cell research as well as cord blood stem cell research which, I think, would be more productive in the long run and less divisive.
BRET BAIER: President Obama today signed an order allowing federal taxpayer dollars to fund expanded embryonic stem cell research, reversing one of former President Bush's policies, viewed by some in the scientific field as blocking. However, there’s a lot of controversy about what exactly happened under President Bush's administration and what is happening after today's signing of the order. Let's bring in our panel: Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard; Kirsten Powers, columnist at the New York Post; and syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer. Charles, first of all, let's straighten out what happened and what happened today.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: What Obama is doing is he's expanding the range of the federal funding of research involving embryonic stem cells. He is allowing the use of embryos that were created in fertility clinics and are not going to be used anymore. Now, I supported that when I was on the President's council of bioethics and in my writing, which I suppose is why the White House invited me to the signing ceremony. But I declined for three reasons.
One is the President has left open the cloning of human embryos in order to destroy them in experiments. Secondly, he leaves open the creation of human embryos entirely for the purpose of research and experimentation. And thirdly, he had a memorandum which he signed in which he talks about restoring the scientific integrity in government decisions, which was an outrageous attack on Bush. I disagreed with where Bush ended up drawing the line on permissible research, but he gave in August of 2001 the single most morally serious presidential speech on medical ethics ever given, and Obama did not, even though I agree on where he, I agree more on where he ended up. So I think it was disrespectful. And in pretending, as Obama did, that there's never a conflict between ethics and science, he was wrong. I suspect that they're not going to be asking me to any more signing ceremonies in the future.
BAIER: Kirsten?
KIRSTEN POWERS, NEW YORK POST: Yeah, well, I mean, it was a rebuke of George Bush. That was very clear. And I think what he said is very right, that Obama sort of pretends that there is, if there is a clash between science and values, he’s going to err on the side of science, as if we don't ever consider maybe ethics or, you know, or our values on the other side, and that that isn't a, you know, a lesson that we should value. He also talks about, you know, putting science before politics, whereas this actually seems to be a very political decision from where I'm sitting. It's something that the base is very excited about.
And I think that the reality is, is the debate has moved, science has moved a lot further than the debate, and we now know more than we knew when it started. For example, adult stem cells, we can do a lot more with them than we could when this debate started. There’s a lot of research being done with the placenta. So this is, really, sort of, to me, a political move to satisfy people who really wanted this to happen and blame George Bush, essentially, for people who are paralyzed or suffering from Alzheimer's.
BAIER: Fred?
FRED BARNES: Absolutely. It was a very political decision. President Obama always tries to make his decisions sound as if he’s rising above mere politics that the rest of us here are chatting about and embracing something, you know, a higher plane. In this case, sound science was what he said had dictated this. But, as Charles pointed out, when you got to the serious moral choice here about cloning, he ducked it, and said Congress will have to act. To be really serious about dealing with this issue, then he ought to deal with that because that's the big issue now.
The big issue is not embryonic stem cell research, though I oppose it, because where has the progress been made? And I think Charles knows more about this than I do, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I, and I think Kirsten does too, that the great progress that's been made in recent years has been in non-embryonic stem cell research, and it hasn't been because of the inability to get embryonic stem cells. It's just been that's been a more fruitful area where scientists have gone.
I want to point out one other thing because President Obama does this all the time, and Charles referred to it. It's the straw man he uses. He’s always attacking those who would have government do nothing, you know, to help the economy. The straw man here is the one where he says he’s standing firmly against those who would falsify or hide or somehow distort science or something like that. Well, nobody was doing that.
BAIER: Charles, what about this premise that the tough decisions he’s really leaving to Congress here?
KRAUTHAMMER: Well, he will. And I think what he’s asking Congress to do is to decide whether it's going to allow all kinds of experimentation on human embryos, which would be a radical step. There was a law in Congress that passed in the mid-90's which outlawed actual experimentation on the embryo with federal funds. So that’s going to be open now, and Obama, in not taking a stance, is taking a stance. The man who invented embryonic stem cells, a scientist by the name of Thompson, has said recently that if you haven't had any moral qualms about it, you haven't thought about it enough. And it looks as if Obama hasn't thought about it a lot.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.



















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Kirsten
March 10, 2009 - 22:24 ET by well99Will tell it like it is.I dont agree with her on many things but she is honest and open minded.One of the last of the true liberals.
Most everything Obama does
March 10, 2009 - 22:33 ET by dark_dsMost everything Obama does is to appease his base and tweak Bush .. the former is going kill us the later is just chidish
"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"
I saw this last night....I
March 10, 2009 - 22:40 ET by bigtimerI saw this last night....I was very happy with the words Kirsten said coming from her side of the aisle, she spoke the simple truth too.
What pleased me the most about all of this segment were what Krauthammer said at the end....his last words say it all.
BT... I saw that show as
March 11, 2009 - 04:56 ET by celatorBT... I saw that show as well. What was interesting (and a little hard to catch because people were talking over each other) is that the other woman next to Kirsten was saying that there have been huge advances in embryonic stem researches etc etc etc. Kirsten nailed her and said there has not been, said it a couple of times, and the other lady went into a sort of a mocking, scoffing laugh at Kirsten. It all happened in seconds, and was hard to catch, but there it was.
The latest stuff I've read on implanting embryonic stems cells is that they can tend to cause tumors, and are just not suitable for implantations. Adult stems cells, on the other hand, have been and are a rich source of medical help for years now and have far more potential than embryonic stems cells.
I've always thought that the embryonic stem cell researchers are much more interested in creating embryonic farms for really wacked out experimentation (and the federal funds to support that research), than they are in helping cure diseases. Note that the embryonic stem fanatics virtually never talk about the already amazing stuff being done with adult stems cells.
The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers
I'm pretty much kinda freaking out here...
March 10, 2009 - 22:46 ET by dborschjr68First I read an article by Camille Paglia which puts Obama to the test, and now I read this article about a liberal named Kirsten Powers who puts Obama to the test. Is this Bizarro world or what?
I suppose it's my naivete surfacing, but I have held the belief that liberals would never speak against their leader like these two women have just done. I stand corrected, and not a little ashamed of myself for passing such swift judgment on my liberal "enemies", as I firmly believed they were all ignorant and deluded. Such is not the case.
Anyone who will point out the hard topics against a failing and horrid elected official in the White House is alright in my book.
F**K Socialism.
Hi dbor... Kirsten hasn't
March 10, 2009 - 23:32 ET by bigtimerHi dbor...
Kirsten hasn't always been a straight line lefty...she has her good moments....rare, but she does. I may be wrong here, but just as an aside, her husband worked for McCain too. (Not that I cared about McC, just thought I'd let you know a little tid-bit here)I have also heard her on Fox radio taking somebody else's place (someone on the left) on a radio show I listened to now and then, she did a pretty danged good job...it may have been Brian and the Judge or some such.
Anyway...there are some on the left that aren't totally insane...granted, few and far between, but there are a couple of them here and there.
I do find Kirsten
March 10, 2009 - 23:23 ET by d1carterI do find Kirsten interesting but when she sits beside Dr. Krauthammer, she seems a little lightweight...
d1carter....most anyone
March 11, 2009 - 10:36 ET by celatord1carter....most anyone sitting next to Dr. Krauthammer is going to look like a lightweight. ;+}
He does what I like best in a pundit.....cuts through the crap and says it like it is.
The Government cannot give to anybody anything which the government does not first take from somebody else. Dr. Adrian Rogers
Maybe just a few cracks
March 11, 2009 - 00:38 ET by richb313Maybe, just Maybe we are seeing a few cracks in the devotional wall that has been built up around Obama. I think that a few journalists and Democrats are just a little disturbed by what they are seeing come from this Administration. If not taken to task soon it will be impossible for the Democrats in the House especially to put any brakes on his escalating and accellerating agenda. They simply do not have the Political Courage to oppose him while his numbers are still high. All politicians, especially in the House and Senate want only one thing and that is to get re-elected. Have you seen the comments on general non-political sites if anyone says anything even remotely against any of the Obama programs?
The only solution is for the reporters and journalists to grow a set and do thier job. They to are afraid to speak thier minds anymore if it runs counter to the Obama orthodoxy. It is a problem of thier own making and they will never admit it. I do not care if they admit it or not, I just want them to do thier job for once. I know it would do a lot in the way retoring at least some confidence in the press.
Powers
March 11, 2009 - 07:56 ET by slickwillie2001Powers has never been a stick-to-talking-points democratic. There are a few liberals around that are intellectually honest, like her and Juan Williams. We are about to broach several issues that will distinguish them, like EFCA for example. Powers could have been the new Colmes but Fox News didn't go that way.
Re the Hammer, everyone is a lightweight when they are beside him.
HANNITY & POWERS...
March 12, 2009 - 09:16 ET by danybhoyIf she wanted gig, Fox should have replaced Colmes with Powers. I think on many levels, Sean needs Alan & the show works better with the counterweight Colmes provided. I liked the fact that Hannity & Colmes more or less took over where CNN's Crossfire left off. Having a balanced debate is something that is important, actually having honest debate is 1 reason FoxNews wipes the floor with CNN & MSNBC. That & Fox has good looking "anchorettes" or "infobabes", as Rush would say. Makes it easy on the eyes for the guys, I'm just saying.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Kirsten Powers is as smart as she is pretty. I am very attracted
March 11, 2009 - 22:44 ET by Rush Fanto that women. However, she can't compare to my lovely and intelligent wife (Honey, there is no one but you, just in case you read this).
Wasn't there a time, long, long ago when most of those on the left were as moderate as Kirsten Powers? Let's face it, even Bill Clinton would be considered by today's liberals and democrats as too "moderate" to be elected. That's how far to the left they have moved, and they haven't stopped moving further to the left yet.
It won't be long before Sean Penn and Danny Glover represent the majority of the democrat party.
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