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On Monday’s Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann branded Rush Limbaugh as the "extreme right," and made an analogy between Barack Obama talking about trying to divide jihadists from Muslim moderates during his inauguration, and the President's current efforts to isolate Limbaugh from other conservatives. Hosting Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter as guest, Olbermann began: "In his inaugural address, the President essentially tried to create a wedge between those who are reasonable and those who are not. Of course, he was talking about the Muslim world. Is it possible in this different context that he’s trying to do the same as he seeks bipartisanship with the Republicans, sort of, you know, separate, Mullah Limbaugh from the herd?"
Inspiring laughter from Olbermann, Alter’s opening act was to take a jab at Limbaugh’s past addiction to Oxycontin in distinguishing him from the Islamic mullahs: "Yes, I do think that`s what [Obama is] doing, although the mullahs don`t send their maid out into the parking lot to score drugs for them, so I`m not sure about the comparison."
Alter admitted that he and Olbermann did not like the period since the mid-1990s when Limbaugh was so much in the center of politics, and argued that the conservative talk radio host is now moving to the "fringes," with the Newsweek editor opining, "which is where he belongs."
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In his last question, Olbermann used the term "Reaganesque" to describe Obama’s personality, but seemed to hesitate in using the term, which probably indicates a not unexpected negative view of Ronald Reagan on Olbermann’s part: "If we can collectively pardon this expression, there may have been a certain, all right, Reaganesque quality in the Obama words today, it was tough talk about no longer ignoring facts, not passing the buck. So far, is the President effectively going over the heads of conservative punditry and even going over the heads of GOP leaders in trying to sell this idea and other ones?"
After Alter talked about how Obama, like Reagan, tries to talk about the big picture, Olbermann made another one of his infamous jabs at the physical appearance of conservatives, which at times have come in the form of fat jokes. Olbermann: "And we won`t make any large jokes about Mr. Limbaugh."
Last September, while discussing one of the presidential debates in which Henry Kissinger was brought up, Olbermann talked about the possibility of Obama "throwing Henry Kissinger back in Senator McCain’s face," adding that doing so "is physically a tough act to do certainly." The original NewsBusters posting can be found here.
In September 2006, Olbermann made several fat jokes about Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes, once calling him a "fat ass," which can be found here.
On January 5, Olbermann referred to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell as "that one guy who always looks like he has not readjusted after somebody popped a flash bulb too close to him."
Below is a complete transcript of Olbermann’s interview with Jonathan Alter from the Monday, January 26, Countdown on MSNBC:
KEITH OLBERMANN: And if the Republican theme is obstruction, much of its authorship comes from the same group of conservative commentators with whom the President dined a few days before he took office, many of them now bemoaning the Obama stimulus package as all bad, all the time, like David Brooks in his column in the New York Times. "It is an unholy marriage that manages to combine the worst of each approach -- rushed short-term planning with expensive long-term fiscal impact." And the fired again Bill Kristol on "Fixed News" (Olbermann’s name for Fox News), quote, "The stimulus has so much bad stuff in it they let the House Democrats get out of control in sort of writing a pork-laden bill. Politically, I think the Republicans have more room to argue for changes and ultimately vote against it." And the Washington Post’s ever-happy columnist, Charles Krauthammer, telling Fox News, quote, "Look, this is one of the worst bills in galactic history. FDR left behind the Hoover Dam, and Eisenhower left behind the interstate highway system. We will leave behind, after spending $1 trillion, a dog run in the East Potomac Park."
And there are those with whom Obama did not break bread, those on the radical right like comedian Rush Limbaugh. Comedian says that, quote, "Obama’s plan is to isolate elected Republicans from their voters. Put simply, I believe his stimulus is aimed at reestablishing eternal power for the Democratic Party rather than stimulating the economy." Wait, if it’s eternal power, it never stopped and you neither need to nor you can re-establish it. There was this from the always windated Limbaugh, a "throw-him-a-bone- along-with-a-few-stones" moment today.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: -I support, I just don`t support his policies. It appears he doesn`t know what he`s doing. He hasn`t run anything in a long time, and he`s never really accomplished much.
OLBERMANN: Let`s call in Newsweek’s senior editor, MSNBC political analyst, Jonathan Alter. Jon, good evening.
JONATHAN ALTER: Hi, Keith.
OLBERMANN: In his inaugural address, the President essentially tried to create a wedge between those who are reasonable and those who are not. Of course, he was talking about the Muslim world. Is it possible in this different context that he’s trying to do the same as he seeks bipartisanship with the Republicans, sort of, you know, separate, Mullah Limbaugh from the herd?
ALTER: Yes, I do think that`s what he`s doing, although the mullahs don`t send their maid out into the parking lot to score drugs for them-
[OLBERMANN LAUGHS]
ALTER: -so I`m not sure about the comparison. But, look, Rush Limbaugh is now in the process of moving from the center of our politics for the last 15 years – you and I might not have liked it, but that`s where he was. He was extraordinarily important in American politics – to the fringes of our politics, which is where he belongs. That doesn`t mean he loses his ratings. He`ll still have his fortune, but he`s no longer central to the debate. And when you have somebody like Bill Bennett saying that he was s out of line, Rush Limbaugh that is, in hoping that Barack Obama fails, that gives you some indication of how he can be marginalized. So what the President did was give that a little bit of a push, try to push Limbaugh out of the picture. And even though he gives him some more publicity in the short run, he does, as you say, separate him from the herd.
OLBERMANN: The Obama plan B, which clearly he has, to which he has clearly alluded, is that he will have enough votes to get what he wants on the stimulus package, even if he can`t get the super majority that he`d get from the bipartisan support out of the Republican Party. So, is this both his backstop and his prime bargaining chip even as he is seeking bipartisanship, "Look, if you don`t come along with me, here`s what it looks like when you don`t come along with me"?
ALTER: Well, I don`t think he’s getting into threatening anybody at this point. He`s still very much in a conciliatory, generous mode, which is where he wants to be politically because the American public does like that bipartisan tone. But every Republican member of Congress knows that this stimulus package, whatever the pundits might be saying about it, is in the bag. It is going to happen. The alternative is to do nothing. We`ve been there. It has failed. And so, the idea of Republicans going into the midterm elections, having voted against the President taking action against the crisis, it’s not going to do very well for them, even though a lot of times their base wants them to vote against this. So they will come up short, and the only question is, you know, what the numbers are. And I think what Obama will probably do is not focus too much on whether he got a super majority, focus on the fact that he’ll get some Republicans and then declare it to be a bipartisan victory shortly before Valentine’s Day.
OLBERMANN: If we can collectively pardon this expression, there may have been a certain, all right, Reaganesque quality in the Obama words today, it was tough talk about no longer ignoring facts, not passing the buck. So far, is the President effectively going over the heads of conservative punditry and even going over the heads of GOP leaders in trying to sell this idea and other ones?
ALTER: I think he`s just starting that process. He has more some work to do in communicating with the American public that we have to move on this. But the Reagan comparison is an interesting one, Keith. Remember, during the campaign, Barack Obama got in some difficulty with Bill Clinton by saying that it was Ronald Reagan who changed what Obama called the trajectory of American politics and that Bill Clinton was not able to do that. So, in some ways, Reagan is a model for Obama in the same way that Franklin Roosevelt was a model for Ronald Reagan, even though in each case, they’re on different sides of the spectrum. The idea is to think big and to play large in the theater of American politics. And that`s what Obama is aiming for.
OLBERMANN: And we won`t make any large jokes about Mr. Limbaugh.
[ALTER LAUGHS]
OLBERMANN: Jonathan Alter of Newsweek and MSNBC. Thank you, Jon.
ALTER: Thanks, Keith.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.



















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Rush laughs when these
January 27, 2009 - 19:50 ET by HockeyKidRush laughs when these bozos make their schoolyard jabs. How do you think Olbie would react if someone said "Bathtub Boy" while he was on the air? Too, too funny.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
you ever notice
January 27, 2009 - 19:54 ET by Jnoble..how pissed off and serious guys like Olbermann and Jon Stewart get if someone calls THEM out on TV? It's suddenly not funny anymore, this making fun of people thing.
Wannabees!
January 27, 2009 - 22:29 ET by blazermaniacOlbermann's tantrums are legendary. Stewart is clueless as well. The reason that Rush would not casll them out, is because it gives Olbermann & Stewart some attention. Based on their ratings, Olbermann & Stewart need all the attention they can get.
Cowards
January 27, 2009 - 23:55 ET by KC MulvilleNotice that these guys are taking shots from behind Obama's cover. It isn't that they've only recently come to feel this way, but they've laid low until now. Why? Because they didn't want to piss off an audience the size of Rush's. But with Obama's popularity, they figure they can trump Rush's audience now.
This is the pattern we see in liberals over and over - they won't stand for what they believe in, openly. They wait until it's convenient. And, as we see from the MSNBC style, they never, ever, engage directly with anyone who disagrees with them. They take potshots when it's safe, and when there's no one around to call them on things directly. Pure cowardice.
In the past, I've taken up for guys like Bob Beckel on Fox, or Jonathan Capehart, or Juan Williams. I respect them, even though I disagree with them often enough, because they're willing to engage. Classic example: I saw David Boies listed as one of Hannity's guests. Boies was Al Gore's lead lawyer during the election in 2000. Boies is a pleasure to watch. Smart, persuasive, never cheap shots anyone, always shows respect.
Contrast a class act like Boies to the cowardly MSNBC cheap shot artists, and it's scary how small MSNBC looks.
Remember junior high, KC?
January 28, 2009 - 00:29 ET by Scout FinchDon't say anything unless you think it's the popular opinion. Then you come out like you're all brave and outspoken.
Playground sissies, all of 'em.
Bathtub Boy???
January 27, 2009 - 19:58 ET by mizflame98Miz
January 27, 2009 - 20:27 ET by DoktorFrankenI believe it stems from one of Olby's tirades where he refused to get out of the tub in his dressing room until he got his way. John Gibson gave him that name.
Here's the whole story:
http://www.olbermann...
Unfortunately everything I'm
January 27, 2009 - 21:00 ET by ThatDudeUnfortunately everything I'm finding links to deleted videos as an explanation. I'd guess one of the urban dictionary definitions explains it best. "Bathtub Boy hides in the bathtub instead of discussing anything controversial about liberals." I saw some snippet somewhere about him being given the name by someone else on air, but the origin is still somewhat foggy to me.
For some reason when I
January 27, 2009 - 21:08 ET by BlazerFor some reason when I think of Bathtub Boy, an image of Liberace holding a poodle, sipping a glass of champaigne in a bubblebath, illuminated beneath a crystal chandalier, comes to mind.
Not that there would be anything wrong with that, of course.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
more to Bath tub boy
January 27, 2009 - 23:23 ET by TjexciteMore that was talked about in the deleted vid
Bathtub boy would rather sit in his bath tub than report on the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. John Gibson who was at MSNBC at the time had to do his show and then Obly show right after meaning he was on air for almost 4Hr. with his radio show as well it was a long day. All because Olby did not want to talk about Bill and Monica even though it was the biggest story of the time.
miz.... Just go to
January 27, 2009 - 20:47 ET by bigtimermiz....
Just go to Youtube and/or google John Gibson and Keith Olbermann.
My link to it isn't working on Youtube now..but it was old, I was going to put it here for you.
You'll enjoy it...trust me.
Can't find it.
January 27, 2009 - 21:31 ET by mizflame98I bet you're right...bet
January 27, 2009 - 21:31 ET by bigtimerI bet you're right...bet that's why my link I was going to send you didn't work anymore...(it was from April that I have had it)
bt, mizflame, searching for
January 27, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Blazerbt, mizflame, searching for it. Hopefully you guy's will enjoy this until then.Imho, this is the ultimate b-slap against b-tubb boy.
http://www.liveleak....
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
guys, it seem's everywhere
January 27, 2009 - 21:46 ET by Blazerguys, it seem's everywhere you look now for the b-tub-boy video, there is a terms of use violation. hmmmmmm. Maybe something NB could research? Seem's Keith and his cronies got this dropped down the memory hole because Keef's whittle teensy feewings got hurt.
At any rate, here is Gibson's Myspace page where he references it:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=431359660
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze... Hey thanks...I
January 27, 2009 - 21:53 ET by bigtimerBlaze...
Hey thanks...I caught that show live when it aired...I Loved it then, loved it again.
Btw...I've been looking everywhere else too....the next place I was going to look was Gibson's site also.
It is maddening they took that down.
It was delicious.
Funny how Keith can lie, dish it out...yet he can't take it, espeicailly when it's the truth.
Here's the link
January 28, 2009 - 00:17 ET by thebutlerdidithttp://www.olbermannwatch.com/ Just go down the page, and click on the video dated January 23, 2009. Listen to the whole thing, it's funny. If you have time, catch some more of the Olbermann watch videos, and John Gibson videos about Olby. They are a hoot!!
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
tbt, thank ! The linked
January 28, 2009 - 00:43 ET by Blazertbt, thanks ! The linked worked! In all it's delicious glory!
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oh My!!!
January 28, 2009 - 00:56 ET by mizflame98Butler
January 28, 2009 - 14:47 ET by DoktorFrankenAh, great audio. I thought it was Gibson that gave him the name but I was wrong about the location of the bathtub. Thanks for the link and the 9+ minutes of sheer joy.
Gibson is a fantastic personality and would make a great Press Secretary for President Sarah Palin.
Everything Olbermann said...
January 28, 2009 - 08:38 ET by MrDebatersounded like he was talking about himself...he makes me ill...on another note...does anyone else think that Russ Feingold from my state of WI look just like Soupy Sales?? I laugh every time I see him...thinking of Soupy!!
since the story about his maid getting him drugs..
January 27, 2009 - 19:52 ET by Jnoble..turned out to be totally false, couldn't Rush sue for slander if he wanted to? I'm not a lawyer, but saying things like that on public TV seems illegal.
The Center?
January 27, 2009 - 19:59 ET by DirjjThe Center? WTF? Rush and Conservatives didn't leave the Center. The Center left us.
ab
Childish name-calling would
January 27, 2009 - 20:00 ET by SpaceManSpiffChildish name-calling would fall under Defamation, which is nearly impossible to successfully prosecute, primarily because all Olbermann would have to do is issue a retraction and/or apology (which is always buried somewhere, or used to further mock the aggrieved party).
Not sure, but Rush pretends they don't exist
January 27, 2009 - 20:05 ET by thebutlerdiditunless he gets questioned about them. He usually refers to them as if they are a "collective," which they are. I think he doesn't want to lower himself to argueing people who can't touch him in income and ratings. I saw on Politico, ( that site has truly gone to the dogs), that most of the people on there, assume Limbaugh can't be a good person, because he makes so much money. Rank class envy. I want to barf when I see those type. I am sure Rush is enjoying the laughs he is getting at these goobers expense. I noticed one of the little Representatives from Ga. was trying to stand up to Rush, and defend Beohner and McConnell. Hey, dude, don't get too comfy in DC, we can get rid of you here at home. I think we need to trash his phones tomorrow. I think I will start leaving messages at about 4 a.m. He will probably freak out, I doubt anyone has ever bothered to call him before. LOL
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
The double-standard is
January 27, 2009 - 20:06 ET by ProssThe double-standard is always laughable. The libs will bring up Limbaugh's past addiction to Oxycontin while totally disregarding the fact that our new Treasury Secretary is a tax cheat.
"aww c'mon you guys! He made a mistake! Nobody's perfect!!"
Which brings me to my next point, we should all "forget" to pay our taxes this year in silent protest, maybe then a 1 trillion dollar stimulus would be deemed unachievable ;-)
"We will not tire, We will no falter, We will not fail." President George W. Bush, October 26, 2001
tax cheats, baby killers,
January 27, 2009 - 20:27 ET by JIMMY1660tax cheats, baby killers, and supporters of terrorists.
Khalid al Monsour is BHO sponsor, he with Saudi Money, pushed the Black Panther Agenda, now BHO sponsors the Socialist agenda.All through the BHO supporters we fine drug,alcohol abusers. No mention at all.
Give them hell Rush, say what needs to said without fear or hesitation.BHO fooled many who voted for him. it will not take long to expose this radical Socialist. when the libs asked for a hearing on GWB, lets make room for BHO for his impeachment papers.
allow me to Love America
Or that our new president cited his personal
January 27, 2009 - 20:33 ET by Cape ConservativeCOCAINE use in his published biography!
Jonathan Alter will hopefully soon join the ranks of the unemployed - I made a copy before I deposited my reimbursement check from NW when I cancelled my subscription! Just have to pull it up on the screen to bring a smile to my face!
If you are still a subscriber to a news magazine, try cancelling - it does wonders for your mental health ;-)
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
I agree Pross. Since the
January 27, 2009 - 21:16 ET by BlazerI agree Pross. Since the only thing we could get the libs behind was virtual fences, I believe we should all be allowed to pay virtual taxes.
Hey, maybe Geithner will forget that I didn't pay him this year,.....heck he forgot to pay us for five years.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well as we all know...
January 27, 2009 - 20:00 ET by NC Copanyone who doesn't follow Obama with zombie like intelligence moaning "Hope" and "Change" and drooling at the sight of him is considered "extreme right".
What an ignorant moron Olbermann is.
Olbermann
January 27, 2009 - 20:01 ET by well99Well you cant expect someone like Keith who wallows in the sewage to spew anything but it.Keith can rant and lie all he wants but he is part of the msm and is afraid of truth.That is why he will never let it come out of his mouth.
This is no more than a sad,
January 27, 2009 - 20:08 ET by BlazerThis is no more than a sad, desperate attempt to try and drum up some viewership now that he's no longer relevant after this election cycle. Not that he was relevant anyway. He only preaches to his Kos and D.U. choir.
Keith, your about a day late and a dollar short on this petunia. Every one, that was anyone allready weighed in on this one. Trust me, Rush loves ya' baby and Obama too. You guy's are driving his ratings for him.
In other word's, you guy's are useful idiot's, driving cash into the Maha Rushdie's wallet while he puff's on his premium cigar and laughs at you. Rush won't even mention you by name Keithy sweety, you don't even register as a blip on his horizon.
He get's more ratings in a day, than you do in a month, your bathtubbed-ness.
"Yes, I do think that`s what he`s doing, although the mullahs don`t
send their maid out into the parking lot to score drugs for them, so
I`m not sure about the comparison."
No Keith, they only send their converts out with bombs strapped to em' to try and score some hit's on defensless women and children.
There's your comparison you glittering jewel of collosal ignorance.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer - SPOT ON!
January 27, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Cape Conservative"...No Keith, they only send their converts out with bombs strapped to em' to try and score some hit's on defensless women and children.
There's your comparison you glittering jewel of collosal ignorance."
It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams
It's a good thing OLBY doesn't read NewsBusters ...
January 27, 2009 - 20:08 ET by Jayke... because I'm looking forward to watching him squirm on Judgement Day. I don't want him to come to his senses and repent and RUIN ALL MY FUN in the after life.
So, let me get this
January 27, 2009 - 20:11 ET by fitzfongSo, let me get this straight. An audience of 20 million is considered the "fringes" by serial douchebag Jonathan Alter. Since Newsweek and Countdown combined can't draw a small fraction of the audience Limbaugh gets, what does that make Olbermann and Alter...the lunatic fringe?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
I cannot read all of
January 27, 2009 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerI cannot read all of this.
Alter and Olbie...two peas in a pod.
You've got to be kidding me, who cares?
Btw...as I said in an earlier post on another thread, this is all in tandem with the msm now, get Rush, daily....getting the ready for congress and the Fairness Doctrine....or MORA as the leftist are calling it now....thinking we all are just plain stupid out here.
What about Keithie's addiction to blind stupidity?
January 27, 2009 - 20:16 ET by R D HelmRush is on the far right? He is a moderate, at best.
ROFL-Stop it, Keithie, you're killin' me!
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Rush is going to be glad to
January 27, 2009 - 20:20 ET by bigtimerRush is going to be glad to know he's a moderate Dave. ;-)
Eh. I don't think I'd claim
January 27, 2009 - 21:13 ET by ThatDudeEh. I don't think I'd claim Rush to be a moderate. He's a solid conservative. However, shall we review what the fringes are on either side? Far left seems to be all inclusive communism and far right would be anarchy? Really, the largest difference between the ideologies is how well they adhere to logic, history, and other facts (dems seem to understand only mob mentality, and ignore all the rest of sociology with their policies.)
bt & TD,
January 28, 2009 - 19:49 ET by R D HelmLOL-You have to realize that my political baseball field skewes a little further right (in certain area) than does most.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Hey evening Dave... You
January 28, 2009 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerHey evening Dave...
You don't get much more right than me either.
Rush is right.
Amen, BT
January 28, 2009 - 20:11 ET by thebutlerdiditDave,
I know you consider yourself more libertarian than conservative, I am curious what makes Rush seem like more of the middle to you? I don't see it. I have freely admitted my past on here, I had some wild times briefly as a young un, and I was not pro-choice, but didn't have a formed opinion against it. Now, I am a rabid pro-life supporter. I never was anything close to being liberal. I went gambling for the first time at 35, and my Southern Baptist family acted like I was a hooker or mob member. LOL.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
tbdi...I used to think I
January 28, 2009 - 20:20 ET by bigtimertbdi...
I used to think I was a Libertarian too...I have listened to their platforms, watched the votes all the way through, the speeches, more votes, more speeches, more votes, final speeches ect they aren't even close to what they were when I thought I was....they have swung more to left in my opinion.
I watched this year too.
If anything if I was going to join a different party with what we have now it would be the Constitution Party.
I'm an Independent...have been before it was cool to be a center- leftist fence-sitter that use that party now like a disposable trash bag...to conquer and divide for the dems in most cases...sadly.
BT
January 28, 2009 - 20:34 ET by thebutlerdiditI'm like you, there's things that I used to like about the Libertarian party, but I wasn't too thrilled with what I heard from them this go around. I agree that a Constitution Party, done right, would be the ideal. I am afraid that if the Republicans don't go back to their roots, they will go the way of the Whigs. I have been a registered Republican since I was 18. Of course, as I have said a bunch, my mother has worked for the Repub. party for 35 yrs. teaching poll monitoring, registration, using new equipment, etc. I don't even know what all she does. So, I have been working/monitoring polls for a long time, too. When I say I would give up my vote to get things done right, then that's saying a lot for me. I also would give anything for there to be some testing to allow people to vote. I see what the general public is like. Those people on the Zogby video? They look like brain surgeons, compared to what I've seen, in all parties.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
tbdi, politically, I am a pretty tough nut to crack, honestly.
January 28, 2009 - 21:58 ET by R D HelmLOL-I'll give you the short version:
My overall "world view" differs from most, and I am not as "conservative" as I may appear at times.
My philosophy basically centers around the primacy of the individual over that of any government created by man.
I believe that government should exist, particularly at the federal level, but state and local as well, mainly to ensure that my rights as a citizen are protected. Period. It is not there to "save me from myself." What a person does to themselves is between them and God. Government has no business being involved.
I believe strongly that any action taken by a citizen that does not interfere with, or adversely affect the life, liberty or property of another American should not be illegal. This is where my staunch opposition to abortion comes from, as well as my opposition to the hideous "war on drugs."
To me, taking innocent human life (murder) is about the most egregious violation of another person's rights as there can be. Killing an unborn child is more eggregious still, as that child cannot speak for itself. I realize there are cases where aborting a pregnancy is necessary, but birth control and convenience are not sufficient reasons to do so, ever. There are just too many couples out there who would make great parents, but are unable to have children of their own. I believe great homes could be found for these children, particularly if adoption was made easier.
BTW: I myself was adopted in 1964.
As for my problems with the war on drugs, see: Prohibition
We obviously learned nothing from that.
I also have a problem with the amount of power this so-called war has allowed government to have. I have read too many stories where people who had large amounts of cash on them had that cash confiscated, as well as the car they were driving, and in some cases the house they were living in, seized by the government for the mere suspicion they were involved in the drug trade. Sorry, but there is such a thing as due process, and until someone is actually convicted of a crime, the government has no right to seize anything that belongs to them.
All this so-called war has brought us is further infringement on our rights, over-crowded prisons filled with non-violent offenders, and a lot of innocent people being killed.
As far as taxes go, I consider the federal income tax to be an act of criminal theft-one specifically prohibited by the Constitution. This country survived for 150 years without one. It could do so today, hence my support for the FairTax.
Also, income taxes, as well as other forms of taxes, allow government to manipulate the behavior of people. I have no use for social engineering at any level, and especially when it is carried out by government.
As for the existence of the IRS, I will say only this: Had such an organization been brought into existence in the early 1800s, its employees would have been hunted down and killed by an enraged populace.
I differ from my fellow libertarians in two main areas: National defense and illegal immigration, which is where my conservatism is strongest.
There are times when we should use our military for the sole purpose of kicking evil's ass, even if that evil is not necessarily a direct threat to us. However, those times should be kept to an absolute minimum.
I am a strong fiscal conservative, as well. There are just too many places where government (at all levels) has involved itself in our lives that are just too numerous to mention, but is a huge reason why we find ourselves in the mess we are in today. Most federal departments could be eliminated tomorrow, and I wouldn't miss any of them. Most people wouldn't.
LOL-The Dept. of Education would be a good start.
I have a huge problem when people (busy bodies) who use government to prohibit others from doing things that they don't "think" they should be doing. One of many examples is the fact that, here in Georgia, I cannot go out and by a bottle of the adult beverage of my choice on a Sunday. Why? Probably because a handful of Baptist preachers somewhere in south Georgia (whose homes probably have wet bars that would be the envy of many-a couple of which I know personally) decided that they didn't think I should be doing that on a Sunday.
Sorry, but that doesn't fit my definition of a "free" country.
Hope that helps.
Gee, aren't you glad this was the short version?
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Good evening RD
January 28, 2009 - 20:05 ET by cocodrieRush is great but he lets a few too many things slide. I expect him to steer a little more right though. Since I've been here I realized I'm farther out in right field myself, so I changed my profile.
Jesus Loves You
wasn't it
January 27, 2009 - 20:39 ET by rona short time ago the msm was saying he wasn't relevant anymore and he didn't have the influence he once had. if so, why are they even writing about him?
a short time ago the msm
January 27, 2009 - 20:45 ET by Blazera short time ago the msm was saying he wasn't relevant anymore and he
didn't have the influence he once had. if so, why are they even writing
about him?
Everyone loves a good train-wreck. Keith is the cable news version of Amy Crackhouse,.......I mean Winehouse.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Ko's and Alterman's condition...
January 27, 2009 - 20:41 ET by owlpelletsI think the term, "Penis Envy" comes to mind.
Don't blame me....I voted for Palin...
That's funny...I didn't
January 27, 2009 - 20:46 ET by DJEddleThat's funny...I didn't hear them discussing how Obama is making us look to the Muslim extremists who pledge their lives to killing as many of us as possible. Closing Guantanamo, prohibiting interrogation techniques that work, conducting his first formal interview as president with Al-Arabiya and telling them we made mistakes, that we are inconsiderate of Arab/Muslim sentiments, and that "we are not the enemy" - as if we were when we liberated two Muslim countries from oppressive rulers. That doesn't really sound like he's going to succeed against those wanting and trying to kill us.
What Message is Obama Sending...and to Whom?
Meanwhile, many Americans are still wondering how he became Commander-in-Chief when we knew about this naivety and ignorance/stupidity long before election day.
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I saw bits
January 28, 2009 - 02:04 ET by NorthCoasterI saw bits of the 'Groveling President". "Oh, don't attack us, just let us talk this out. We don't mean to hurt you. We're sorry we don't understand. Are you starting to like us now?"
(Sarc off)
→ Got that right Coaster
January 28, 2009 - 02:12 ET by Cool ArrowObama's performing a long, sensuous striptease for Islam.
Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Khalil Gibran
NC.... I saw enough to
January 28, 2009 - 02:15 ET by bigtimerNC....
I saw enough to make my stomach turn too...
The very people he is arse kissing with (as if some of us didn't know he would do just this) are the very people who aided, instigated the killing of quite a few of our military in Iraq.
I despise what he did yesterday.
Yet the msm goes ga-ga...as usual.
MESSNBC is being run by the inmate
January 27, 2009 - 21:07 ET by CapeCodScottOlby and Alter obviously they were beat up on life's playground and now that they have a third rate network and a dying publication (NEWSWEAK), they feel empowered...Sad, truely sad.
See Citigroups new Jet "ERR FORCE ONE" pass it on
www.ScottOnCapeCod.com
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation"... until they get fed-up enough to finally say something about it!
I think this answers the question
January 27, 2009 - 21:33 ET by Calypso Jonesabout what Liberals are gonna do now that GWB is gone. Limbaugh is the next target.
The gauntlet has been
January 27, 2009 - 22:14 ET by ConservativeRexThe gauntlet has been thrown down by Obami. It's on now.
Now, Republican congressmen are telling Rush to back off! Some loser from Georgia. I've had about enough of this crap. Time to start flooding their email inbox.
We have to stand with Rush and frankly every Conservative on the air.
I just wrote Vitter
January 27, 2009 - 22:35 ET by general companyAnd asked him to go find this turd ASAP, and tell him to STHU,,,,
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
He is Representative Phil
January 28, 2009 - 00:41 ET by thebutlerdiditHe is Representative Phil Gingrey, R-GA. He was actually on with Matthews tonite on Hardhead. Please visit the Representative's site, and watch his interview, and PLEASE leave him an e-mail and explain to him that the conservatives like Rush, way better than we like any of them. I also told him, because this is my state, that we had lists of Republicans that voted for all the bailouts, and he should not vote for the porkulus, or he might not see a re-election in Ga. Please help me get through to him. Also, everyone please go to Rush's home site, and send a reverse petition/e-mail to the DCCC about their petition. I think Rush is hoping we will flood them with our e-mails, so they will not be too thrilled.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
Be happy to
January 28, 2009 - 08:45 ET by general companyI will add him to my list.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Olbie's lips
January 27, 2009 - 22:36 ET by nadadhimmiI could take Olberman a lot more seriously if he wiped Obamas' semen off his lips.
nad... You do not always
January 27, 2009 - 22:45 ET by bigtimernad...
You do not always have to be so crude.
...really you don't.
You're the one
January 27, 2009 - 22:50 ET by choselife3xWith the dirty mouth.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Naval References
January 27, 2009 - 22:52 ET by Sergeant ROCKI think it was a typo.. maybe.
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Sgt. Rock... LMAO! I
January 27, 2009 - 23:05 ET by bigtimerSgt. Rock...
LMAO!
I betcha' it was!!
Just a little imagination with words will get your point across nads...it's not that some of us don't agree with the points you make, I do, it's the way you present them when it always seems to be sexual when you post, which is fine, just use some imagination....humor...some-such.
Just a suggestion.
Here goes, the first salvo
January 27, 2009 - 23:11 ET by BlazerHere goes, the first salvo to get the un-fairness doctrine re-instated. A 527 disguised as a feel good opinion survey designed to get the zeitgeist of the public, via the DNC concerning talk radio and Rush Limbaugh.
Why is it, that the our liberal leadership in Congress and now in Potus want to target a private American citizen, Rush Limbaugh with more zeal than say a dictator from Venezueala, Iran, Syria, Pakistan or Cuba , but they do not want to target America's real enemies like mentioned above?
This is an outrage. If they shut Rush up, they shut us up !!!! Let em' know how you feel.
NB'ers !!! Tonight.....We Dine In Hell !!!!!!!
http://www.dccc.org/...
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Since when are the moonbats
January 28, 2009 - 00:04 ET by RR GOPSince when are the moonbats against drugs?
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
It sounds like a junior high school girl's lunch table
January 28, 2009 - 00:25 ET by Scout FinchWhen you have nothing of substance with which to attack the truth, get personal, critical, and mean.
OMG! Like, he's so fat! And, like, he was addicted to painkillers at one time! Like, that's so frickin' funny! LMAO! What ev'!
Cancer is funnier than Keith Olbermann
January 28, 2009 - 00:30 ET by Lord ErondBut subtlety is lost on Bathtub Boy.
"What you can not enforce, do not command" -Sophocles-
I saw Olby last night...
January 28, 2009 - 09:39 ET by MrDebaterand he is beginning to remind me of Groucho Marx(with those eyebrows)without the intelligence...I find myself chuckling at him now...he looks cartoonish...and I start smiling...thinking of Groucho doing some kind of political comedy bit...
Obama's
January 28, 2009 - 01:51 ET by NorthCoasterObama's attempt to silence Rush will backfire!
Olberdouche calling Rush
January 28, 2009 - 09:32 ET by SickofLibsOlberdouche calling Rush fat???
That's rich, coming from someone who is shaped like a eggplant.
With all the eggplant's
January 28, 2009 - 09:43 ET by Jack BauerWith all the eggplant's impressive smarts.
So the point is...
January 28, 2009 - 10:44 ET by StarAZMy takeaway here is that Alter is mad that Obama did not have a maid to score his cocaine back in the day.
STATE CHANNEL 1...
January 28, 2009 - 16:34 ET by danybhoyFitzy is right when he wonders how someone working for a rag that has a circulation of maybe 1million & falling can call someone with a regular listeners & rising a fringe political figure. Then again, this aired on a channel that has NEVER had any real ratings for any sustained period of time.
As for BathTubBoy, it is clear that he now runs that money pit, & you piss him off at your own risk. Even Mathews seems fine with Olby, even though management cut his pay by about $3million a year & gave Olby about that much for a raise. Now I really don't care what the idiots at General Electric pay these assclowns, except that GE recieved a $138 billion bailout from the feds. If CEO pay needs to justified in front of some congressional panel that resembles a kangeroo court more then an honest hearing of the facts, NBC, CNBC, & MSNBC should be hauled in to explain. It's not like they are kicking butt in the ratings. It's the people's money, & they deserve to know why GE or ANY OTHER company are paying people who are failing in the free market are being paid like champions.
"...it's still We The People, Right?" Megadeth